Digby addresses the strange situation we find ourselves in, where a special class of criminals who are simply "too dangerous" to be tried in our court system demand that we create an entirely separate legal system:
This is looking more and more like "don’t ask don’t try" — except this is actually much worse than the don’t ask don’t tell policy. These people are being imprisoned indefinitely, which is the ultimate Kafkaesque nightmare.
I just don’t get this. Is it really their feeling that these particular people are so much more dangerous than the many thousands of muslim extremists who are out there plotting as we speak? Are they so dangerous that it’s worth it to give those same crazies a rallying cry, further compromise what little moral authority the US has left and tie our foreign policy up in knots?
Unless we’ve been teaching these people to make nuclear weapons down in Gitmo, the idea that they are too dangerous to take a chance on a trial is absurd. In fact, it’s so absurd that one can’t help but suspect that they don’t want to try these people because to do so would expose some of the horrors that have been perpetrated by the US government — which leads us right back to where we started.
When the circus erupted around a former Gitmo detainee who purportedly went on to become an "Al Qaeda chief" after his release, you could smell the fear. Not from the danger of a terrorist strike, mind you, but from political fallout. Once ersatz Jack Bauer after another warned that if Guantanamo Bay were closed, and anyone who was released went on to take part in terrorist activity, the decision to let them go would be hung around the necks of those responsible.
And so we have a class of prisoners, some of whom may have done nothing at all and don’t deserve to be held under any law that an American court would recognize. But the chance that one of them might be righteously pissed off about having been held captive and tortured for years despite their innocence, and go on to do the things that you might well imagine someone would do as a result of those circumstances, presents too much political risk for our legal system to responsibly handle.
I don’t recall anyone mentioning this fragility of our legal system in junior high civics.



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“There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one’s safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn’t, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn’t have to; but if he didn’t want to he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle.
“That’s some catch, that Catch-22,” Yossarian observed.
“It’s the best there is,” Doc Daneeka agreed.”
Ayep, that’s some Catch-22, all right.
Hi ya, Jane. Where’s Joseph Heller now that we *really* need him?
Holder is playing games.
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” “We need to have our feet on the ground to really see what is going on down at the facility, to see how people are being detained, to talk to people down there about the interrogation techniques that are being used,” Holder told reporters. “I think that will be an important first step as we try to resolve the issues that the president has put before me.” “
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..refer=home
” The three-judge panel concluded by a 2-1 vote there is no legal or constitutional authority for the detainees to be immediately freed, even though they are unlawfully detained and no country is willing to accept them.
The 17 men are Uighurs, an ethnic group from western China. They are accused of receiving weapons and military training in Afghanistan.
Some of the detainees have been cleared for release since 2003, but the United States will not send them back to their homeland because of concern they would be tortured by Chinese authorities.
“We do know there is insufficient evidence to classify them as enemy combatants — enemies, that is, of the United States. But that hardly qualifies petitioners [the Uighurs] for admission. Nor does their detention at Guantanamo for many years entitle them to enter the United States.” “
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US…..detainees/
Tortured by Chinese, tortured by the US. What, exactly, is the difference?
here, you will find in my diary the real reason cheney was so determined to keep gitmo open during bush and why he is doing his level best to force obama into keeping it open too
you’ll see in the link, haliburton makes millions of dollars on gitmo, and THAT is the reason cheney insists it stays open
I believe it was attaturk who pointed out that we managed to keep thousands of prisoners on our soil during world war two
here it is, attaturk at his best;