In a recent Politico column, Jon Cowan and Jim Kessler, respectively the president and senior vice-president of The Third Way, criticize “progressives” for opposing deals which cut Social Security benefits.
They advise the Strengthen Social Security Coalition to “wise up and buck up the president so Social Security reform gets done in the coming weeks.” But their advice belies the expressed wishes of the American people. As poll after poll indicates, Americans across all age groups and ideologies overwhelmingly favor eliminating Social Security’s projected shortfall through increased revenues rather than through reductions in Social Security’s already modest benefits — just $13,000 a year on average.
Cowan and Kessler state the obvious, that “math knows no ideology,” but they fail to acknowledge that they do. Undisclosed is Cowan’s long history of flaming the fans of “intergenerational warfare” and calling for the radical dismantling of Social Security. For instance, in a 1995 Los Angeles Times op ed, he proclaimed, “The time has come to reinvent Social Security based on a “cut and privatize” approach that will be fair to all age groups.” Although no longer as threatening as when Newsweek quoted him in 1995 about his plans to “burn social-security cards in New Hampshire” to make a big splash in the presidential campaign, Cowan is hardly an objective voice when it comes to Social Security.
Here are the facts, stripped of political spin and cleaned of biased factoids used to support their radical changes and benefit cuts. Here, too, are the reasons why the coalition of 300 national and state organizations they criticize strongly oppose the cuts they advocate.
First, Social Security works. Despite their claim that Social Security is “in deep financial trouble,” the data produced by the most unbiased sources lead to the opposite conclusion. According to the Chief Actuary of the Social Security Administration, Social Security can meet all its obligations for the next quarter century, after which it can pay out 77 percent of scheduled benefits. This is if Congress makes NO changes to Social Security for the next 75 years! The projected shortfall is the rough equivalent of the revenue that will be lost to the federal treasury if the Bush tax cuts are continued for the top 2% of American taxpayers.
There are numerous ways to eliminate this shortfall, but it is impossible to have a serious discussion of the options until Third Way and other similar actors agree that Social Security is structurally sound, is not in crisis, and does not need fundamental change. Means testing Social Security, as Cowan and Kessler casually suggest, would fundamentally change Social Security from an insurance program to a welfare program. It would not reduce the projected shortfall in any meaningful way, unless the means test was set such that benefits were cut for households with incomes as low as $50,000. This kind of major change, with complicated distributional impacts and implications for the long-range stability of the program, is not a change that should be hammered out behind closed doors under the threat of a default by the United States on obligations to which it has pledged its full faith and credit. Neither should changes be imposed to cut COLA adjustments or place young and middle-aged Americans at risk by raising their retirement age, or otherwise reducing the benefits they are earning for themselves and their families.
Social Security affects virtually every American. It is the most important source of life insurance and disability insurance, as well as retirement income for the vast majority of the American people. It is neither cause nor solution to the federal deficit. Social Security has no borrowing authority. It does not and cannot contribute to the federal deficit. In the unlikely event that the program’s revenues ever fall short of what is needed to meet its obligations, then, by law, benefits would be cut. Today, the Social Security Trust Funds hold $2.7 trillion dollars in treasury notes and bonds, essentially the very same federal obligations held by Wall Street banks, China, Savings Bond holders and others. Cutting its benefits does not change the amount of federal debt subject to statutory limit by a single penny.
In Social Security’s 76 year history, it has always been dealt with independent of the general budget, through the normal legislative process. Rather than enact major changes in haste and, we believe, repent at leisure after the damage has been done, we urge policymakers to focus on Social Security after the debt limit has been raised, in its own legislative vehicle, through the normal legislative process with full hearings and open debate. Let’s go with the old-fashioned way, rather than some new, untested third way.
Nancy Altman, author of The Battle for Social Security, and Eric Kingson, Professor of Social Work at Syracuse University, and co-chair the Strengthen Social Security Campaign (www.strengthensocialsecurity.org). The authors served as staff for the 1982 National Commission on Social Security Reform (a.k.a. “The Greenspan Commission”).




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Dont forget to read this interesting article on corporations paying their “fair share” of taxes in today’s Counterpunch.com
How many times do these yahoos have to shown to be wrong before “very serious people” stop listening to them?
Steny Hoyer, just another f#cking Democrat…
OK, “math knows no ideology”, but people do. As a statistician, I know that people use math and stats to fit their ideology–all day, every day. One person’s math is another person’s lies. Time to raise the cap at a faster rate, and kick back a little bit of that raise into greater benefits for the larger contributors. You contribute more but at least get a little bit back in return.
Being wrong about the right thing just shows how serious you are. If you are serious, you must be listened to no matter what. Look how it worked in the run up to the bushie/obumble war in Iraq.
BTW, just to be picky, I think you mean “fan the flames.”
Click on the link to Strengthen Social Security Coalition in the post above and sign their petition.
Third Way – just another bunch of neoliberals out to fuck everybody but the ruling elites.
The Third Way seems like the other two Democratic and Republican ways.
We need a Working Class way, not a third way.
I appreciate especially what you said about means-testing SS making it become more like welfare. The term ‘entitlements’ has already become bastardized through the inflections of detractors as ‘welfare’, or benefits you wouldn’t need if you weren’t so lazy and irresponsible.
Math does indeed not know any ideology, but these frauds blatant propaganda definitely does. Time to flush the Turd Way down the sewer of useless political ideas.
Yeah, New Dems seem to believe that trying to live on 13K/yr is too much. They want that money. Privatize or die.
When I first heard of “Third Way” my assumption was that they were just another fake front group for some right-wing outfit whose purpose was to muddy the waters on any number of issue. Fortunatly with this position they just cleared up the waters a bit.
Help!!
A friend keeps telling me the problem with Soc Sec is that there are too many people collecting benefits that don’t pay into the system and that is draging the system down.
How do I answer to that??
Ask HIM to prove it. That’s bs on so many levels it’s hard to know where to start.
How would that be possible? When I entered SS I was amazed that they didn’t ask what I had for breakfast. It took 3 visits to the SS office, tons of paper work and a personal meeting with the person handling it. I didn’t mind answering the questions but it’s long and thorough. I guess sort of like a questioning by the police although I have never experienced that.
Tell him the truth. That is a fucking lie. As the post states very clearly; Social Security has a surplus of funds. (2.3 / 2.7 TRILLION worth)
There is an adjustment that should have been done before now but it is not too late. That is, raise the cap to get back to the with holding capturing 90% of wages instead of the 86% (I think it is) captured now. It is my undestanding that the addition of inflow from that adjustment would be enough to address projected downstream shortfalls.
The answer is, your friend is wrong. If you don’t pay into the system, you don’t get benefits out. It’s a social insurance program, not a welfare program. There are numerous ways the 23% shortfall referenced above can be addressed. This CBO Report lists some of them in Figure 1, in the Summary. http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/115xx/doc11580/07-01-SSOptions_forWeb.pdf
Thank you Nancy and Eric.
IMO, using the term “entitlements” in re to Soc Sec & Medicare is deliberately (by the corp-owned media, etc) misleading and specious. I am quite clear that a lot of conservatives *definitely* see Soc Sec & Medicare as “welfare” that citizens didn’t “earn,” and are somehow getting something for nothing.
In fact, the majority of US citizens worked hard & have been contributing to Soc Sec & Medicare all their working lives, much like one puts money in a savings account, a 401(K) plan and/or any other savings/investment vehicle.
Soc Sec already has some amount of “means testing” in that the pay-outs, as I understand it, are somewhat linked to your earnings. Some people get less and some get more. No one gets all that much, but it’s steady (so far) and reliable (so far).
Citizens have been TOLD for years not to count *solely* on Soc Sec to see them thru retirement, but there’s a whole lot of reasons why some are left with mainly only Soc Sec to see them thru.
But calling them “entitlements” deliberately IMPLIES that the citizen is a scoundrel getting “something” that they “didn’t earn.”
Not true. And furthermore, neither Soc Sec, nor Medicae have contributed to the nation’s deficit, nor have anything to do with increasing debt.
It is money SAVED by US workers, who *deserve* to get their *savings* back with interest.
IF this country ever has a multi party system, we’ll have:
1. A couple of BIG parties representing the bottom 80%++ of us in some way or another – HOPEfully offering competing solutions for the improvement of our communities. HOPEfully recognizing that NO ONE wants YOUR guru, priest, minister, rabbi, swami, reverend, yogi, … dictating policy in their bedroom, kid’s classroom, or doctor’s office. HOPEfully recognizing that community investment in health care, retirement, retraining, education, electric power, transportation, market regulation, … is a balancing act where NO ONE gets all they want all the time. HOPEfully recognizing community investment is the foundation of a fair and vibrant private market.
2. a party for the top 1% of rich pigs, dedicated to rich pigs staying rich pigs and staying on top.
a.1. a branch of fire breathing, bigoted, sexist, racist rich pig ass kissers who’ve been fooled into thinking they’re 1 or 2 promotions away from kicking it with the rich pigs,
a.2. the controllers of a.1. who are also rich pig ass kissers.
b.1. a branch of people who are NOT bigots, racists and sexist twits, who are hopelessly deluded, fed a mountain of tele tubby pap about being POSITIVE, and being bipartisan, and being moderate, and being centrists – people who can be sidetracked with endless pointless happy happy meetings while the rich pigs rig the rules and rip everyone off,
b.2. the controllers of b.1. who are NOT bigots or racists or sexist twits, and who are rich pig ass kissers! – the current Arne Duncan / Rahm DLC – Third Way – Blue Dog “Democratic” DISGRACES to that silly document published on 4 July 1776, who are also DISGRACES to that silly “government by the people, for the people, of the people” stuff of 1864, but, who are exemplars of 1984 doublethink duplicity.
the Big Zer0 is doing us all a favor – he makes it easier and easier to NOT vote for incumbents, and this house ain’t gonna be clean till we flush all the current critters outta the basement, closets and rafters.
rmm.
End the wars and Obama tax cuts deficit problem solved. Pay SS money back that was borrowed and raise the cap SS crisis solved. All this is bullshit with a capital B. I am exhausted listening to it.
See prior comments, and then pleasantly & respectfully request that your friend stop listening to Rush Limbaugh. Not kidding. I know for a fact that Rush is spreading these pernicious lies, as do others. They make it sound eminently “reasonable,” but it’s a lie.
No, there’s not *hoardes* of loser-scum “ripping off” Soc Sec, who never ever put a dime into it. That’s a lie.
And IF there ends being some sort of an “issue” with the amount of money collected by the FICA income deduction, there is a very very very easy solution: raise the FICA deduction, and no problem exists.
FICA deductions stop being taken from pay above a certain amount, right now somewhere around $106,000 in earnings (more or less; not sure). This is incredibly regressive; could be raised to *at least* $250k, or just have NO CAP whatsoever. And guess what? Any possible problems? GONE in an instant.
Rush tells a lot of lies….
BINGO! Amen… so sick & tired of the b.s. lies & crapulous stupidity of it all.
Whatever happened to reigning in the unfettered spending like a drunken sailor on War, Inc. WHY are we “at war” in the first place, esp NOW with Libya??? WHY?
Stop the Wars; bring home the troops; set up public works programs to hire the returned troops & others to fix our very very ailing infrastructure. Hey, presto: jobs created at home.
WHOT a concept!
Like this: SS is a whopping big nest egg. Folks with power and money want to get their thieving hands on it. The odds that it might be wholly dissolved and everybody’s money given back are nil. The odds that if the US citizenry just vote in the right people SS will be preserved is laughable. Most folks, I assume, have SS taxes taken directly from their paychecks, so withholding these taxes as an act of civil disobedience is largely impossible.
So what might be an effective course of action to prevent the robbery of SS by elites for their private gain? How can the tremendous power imbalance that will permit the impending theft of SS be corrected?
Actually, you can get SS benefits even if you never paid in. Widows can collect on their husband’s SS even if they never paid in a dime themselves. In addition, SS covers some children who have never paid anything in themselves.
The problem isn’t that there are so many people collecting who never paid in. The problem is that there are so many collecting, period. And they are living longer than SS ever planned on peole living. It’s a sheer numbers and longevity issue. And it’s going to get worse as the boomers start to really collect. If you are under 40, which I am, you should not count on getting a penny from SS. You should plan for your retirement on your own because you probably will be.
That makes too much sense and will work for the “little” people. But they don’t want that and never have since the founding of this country.
nonsense – contact your local actuary – I am an actuary – go to the Society of Actuaries site and download the info.
As Jane said, you are so mis-informed it is impossible to even start your education.
The only truth in your statement is that folks are living longer – and that is a modest effect with many different solutions.
This just give us an idea of how corrupt Washington has become…they don’t respresent us and they care about money and power/ Considering most of the Congress are millionares this should not be shocking…as far as the Third Way to hell with them..we are supposed to bend over while Obama screws the American people? These neoliberals and neocons can shove it!
Those famous words, “follow the money” is what is driving this.
The quoted statement below is key and may tell us ultimately why BO and company want to end SS payouts to you and I.
“Today, the Social Security Trust Funds hold $2.7 trillion dollars in treasury notes and bonds, essentially the very same federal obligations held by Wall Street banks, China, Savings Bond holders and others.”
Interesting – wonder why Hoyer is best buddies with Third Way.
While wiki says Clinton was third way, a little deeper it admits he “modified” their ideas – indeed rejected the cut benefits nonsense.
On their site it is mostly right wing crap – Bill Schneider and such
They present the “math” as “In 2015, taxes won’t cover Social Security payments. In 2025, total income for Social Security will be less than total outlays. In 2035, Social Security will take in $500 billion less than it pays out. In 2045, the Social Security Trust Funds will be $8 trillion in arrears.”
All of which is out of context since they do not also show the size of payroll tax revenue in those years – the shortfall in 2035 – based on very conservative assumptions is 25% of the collected revenue – and that is not a disaster. Indeed just about every right wing/third way solution ends up at about the same, and usually less, of a benefit after the “fix” – and they begin the pain sooner so those bonds in the trust that represent the borrowings to fund the Bush tax cut for the rich are never paid off – the theft of the future so as to make the rich richer.
In short, non-actuaries who do not know crap should not opine that the inter-generational promise of Social Security is a false one.
I should note the 8 trillion in arrears does not refer to Social Security which can never go in arrears – the pretend “arrears” is the health problem – which the third way runs from since the solution is single payer with price controls.
It occurs to me that if the governments credit rating is reduced, it will have to pay higher interest rates on the investments social security makes in the Treasury.
There, problem solved. Social Security will be solvent as long as the government will honor the bonds we have been statutorily forced to buy with FICA Tax.
That cap should be indexed for inflation at some proportional rate that SS benefits are indexed. Their. Problem Solved.
Your Welcome.
That is also funded by a separate investment stream. The SSA actually maintains two separate bond holdings in part for that reason.
“The projected shortfall is the rough equivalent of the revenue that will be lost to the federal treasury if the Bush tax cuts are continued for the top 2% of American taxpayers.”
Hey, hmmmmmmmmm, what a fascinating coincidence. And this completely unrelated, uncorrelated ,seemingly magical phenomenon would continue in (completely coincidental) direct proportion to any DEEPER tax cuts for the rich….its as if the UNIVERSE ITSELF is DEMANDING that we cut and gut social security
This is wrong as well.
Life expectancy is declining, not increasing for most. The exception: wealthy white guys.
The Social Security actuaries always planned on longevity increases. To the extent they were slightly off, the 1983 Greenspan/Reagan/O’Neill “fix” took care of it until now. Even as overall longevity has increased due to decreased infant mortality, the expectancy of longevity at 65 (which is what matters) has only increased about two years since then.
You are spouting the Pete Peterson/Cat Food Commission talking points that have been used to sell severe cuts in Social Security to younger people. Peterson, a hedge fund billionaire, has been funding a propaganda campaign through multiple foundations, CNN, the Washington Post and other outlets, all designed to cut or crater Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. He has all sorts of Very Serious People on his payroll, directly or indirectly, such as Alice Rivlin and the staff of the Debt Commission.
There are many ways that Social Security can be fixed to address an expected 23% shortfall in 2039. You can read them here.
Instead of repeating this rubbish you should be fighting back.
Call your members of Congress and tell them that you will not vote for or donate to anyone who votes for chained CPI or raising the retirement age.
AS Twain said” “There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.”.
“Life expectancy is declining, not increasing for most” -
well no, not really declining in the years that are important – namely the life expectancy at retirement age (how many more years you will live after you reach age 67).
There is a tiny effect from death during working years as there is a survivor component in Soc Security – and collects drop a tiny tiny bit (economic assumptions are overwhelming relative to other assumptions when projecting revenue coming in via the payroll tax).
Again there is a real increase in the number of years lived after age 67 – and there is the threat that new treatments for “aging” might seriously and suddenly increase that problem (some life/annuity insurance companies are now pricing on a 120 year table rather than the prior 105 or 110 year tables – and still “scared” – but there are solutions other than destroying the system).
Wow. Two rich white guys want to gut Social Security. Shocking.
They’re Third Wayers, thus, no need to pay attention to what they say, as they’re not only wrong, they’re plutocratic fascist assholes.
What’s ‘Third’ about the ‘Third way’? Sounds like plain old right wing-ism to me, which, I think, is one of the first two ways. (Isn’t it?)
Link?
somehow the link is getting transformed from .org to .com but I went and signed at the .org site.
And what keeps NOT being mentioned is how Congress ‘borrows’ from the SS trust fund for it’s budgeting. If Congress was FORBIDDEN from doing ANYTHING with the trust fund, this debate would be entirely different.
Contrary to your assumption, this was foreseen thirty years ago and FICA taxes were raised substantially, producing income in excess of payments for those thirty years, to create a trust fund which will pay for the excess of payments over current receipts. There is no problem and no need for a “fix”. It was already fixed. The only problem now is that bonds in the trust fund need to be paid back out of current income, and the politicians who cut taxes over those thirty years don’t want to have to raise the taxes back where they were in 1981.
Actually a report has just been published that shows life-expectancy for women have declined in over 300 counties in the United States.
http://www.remappingdebate.org/article/life-getting-shorter-women-hundreds-us-counties
Maybe one day the Democrats will wake up and kick the Clinton’s asses (both of them) and their “third Way” a.k.a. DLC out the door.
Until that day, expect nothing but another Republican wantabe party led by Wall Street corporate centrists who are no different from their millionaire Republican pals
OH, there we were all in one place
A generation lost in space
With no time left to start again.
So Obama, be nimble. Obama be quick
Caz your base is hip to your shtick
And cut-throats will be your only friends.
And as we watch you on the stage
Our hands are clinched in fists of rage.
No angel born in hell
Will stop the rebel’s yell.
And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite,
I saw Satan laughing with delight
The day of bankers’ toxic lies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAsV5-Hv-7U&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://counterpunch.org/
Direct link for those who read this in the future:
http://counterpunch.org/nader07122011.html
Life expectancy in the United States is between 75 to 80 years of age.
The current age range of baby boomers is between 47 to 65 years of age. Born between 1946 to 1964.
Social Security’s Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance (OASDI) Trust Funds would become exhausted between 2037 and 2041. By 2037, the youngest baby boomer will be 73 and the oldest will be 91. In other words, most will have passed away before that time.
By 2037 and on, the number of people collecting social security will also decrease. Social Security is a separate trust fund which receives revenue through payroll taxes. So, it continues receiving revenue even as I write this and should be there for you in the future unless politicians continue to decrease funding by such policies as payroll tax holidays. Fight to keep it for your future!
I would also like to add, as mentioned in the post, even by 2037, the Social Security Trust Fund will not be depleted. Please don’t turn Social Security into a generational conflict. This program may allow your grandparent or parent to stay in their own home instead of moving in with you. ❀ ☺