Rachel Maddow is looking to ruffle feathers, going where Obama or Congress wouldn’t dare to tread, in publicizing the “deceptions” of the Bush Iraq Team which launched a long and costly war.
Because of a ten year mainstream media whitewash, it’s been generally accepted that “mistakes” resulted in a war that claimed over 4,800 US troops. But this week, MSNBC will rock the boat, suggesting false pretenses took us to war, meaning the nation should start debating consequences.
Rachel Maddow is teasing there will be great “political upset” when the documentary Hubris: The Selling of The Iraq War airs on Monday Feb. 18.
If proven deliberate, the Iraq WMD intel debacle could constitute domestic and international war crimes. Someone must have had a long fight behind the scenes to get this controversy on the air because most of the facts have been readily available for years through indie media, articles (and even in drips and drabs on MSNBC). A book version of Hubris was co-authored by David Corn and Michael Isikoff in 2007.
Perhaps most striking is the way most media has ignored Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, a top level Bush administration insider who has offered to testify directly against Dick Cheney and others. So what actionable allegations will Maddow present?
Plamegate was just one WMD related scandal resulting in conviction. Scooter Libby lied to investigators, taking the fall for Vice President Cheney before having his sentence commuted by President Bush. But that story is old, so what’s new, what’s different?
Running With Curveball’s Lies
The saga of ‘Curveball’ also creeped out into US media in fits and starts. If networks truly wanted ratings or public trust, they’d have fought over blockbuster exclusives showing how the Iraq war was built on shameful lies. But we saw the opposite – a reluctance to report basic facts about the sole “eyewitness” claiming to be an “Iraqi chemical engineer”.
Curveball (aka Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi) was the main reason given for the US invasion of Iraq. In truth, the Iraqi exile had no bio-weapons knowledge, but fed claims about mobile labs to the BND (German intelligence) knowing the Bush administration was itching for war.
Officials within the BND, CIA and DIA all surmised Curveball was lying. These dissents were somehow “lost in the shuffle”, the supposed honest “mistake” that gave us the war. But there are plenty of whistleblowers saying otherwise and even naming names, if the media and Congress should begin to listen.
MSNBC has promoted this TV special with a graphic showing Iraq Team principals Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice dramatically walking down a Texas dirt path. But Colin Powell isn’t in the shot. This means MSNBC may be editorially sympathetic to Powell’s point of view. They will include interviews with Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, Powell’s Chief of Staff.
Powell’s former sideman has been blowing the whistle since 2005, even offering to testify against Cheney, Tenet and deputy CIA director John McGlaughlin, claiming the Office of the Vice President breached protocol, making agents within the CIA do Cheney’s bidding.
We’ll hear Secretary Powell did doubt Curveball and the White House. Wilkerson described these reservations on PBS in 2006, which put Powell in the position of either outing Cheney and the Iraq Team who set him up, or keeping his mouth shut to protect them. Hiding his own skeletons, Powell did not speak out, rolling over for the “hoax” that ruined his career.
Col. Wilkerson has admitted he personally brought graphic artists to the White House to “sex up” the WMD diagrams Powell would use, based off cocktail napkin drawings made as Curveball received expert coaching. Wilkerson has always said he would take responsibility for his part in the charade.
But then in 2011, another Wilkerson interview with Amy Goodman and Glenn Greenwald brought more disturbing revelations to light. Just as the US stood on the brink of war, Powell rejected Scooter Libby’s 50-page report, calling it “bullshit” as he threw it into the trash.
Col. Wilkerson said his boss sent word he would refuse to sign off on the WMD evidence. But within an hour, George Tenet unveiled “compelling” new evidence tying Iraq to the 9/11 attacks. Powell was told of a new link between Saddam and bin Laden, a high-level al Qaeda terrorist had admitted everything. This was the clincher for Powell, who would go out to make the fateful speeches to Congress and the UN that would sanction the war and destroy his credibility.
Beating Lies Out Of “The Libyan”
Powell wasn’t told for over a year that it was actually a Libyan detainee named Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi who was tortured and punched in the face for 15 minutes in a secret Cairo “rendition” site, before agreeing yes, he had witnessed a meeting between Iraqi officials and al Qaeda.
But al-Libi recanted everything, admitting he lied to save his life. By 2009, al-Libi was found dead in a Libyan prison cell after human rights attorneys took an interest in him. But the CIA knew al-Libi made it up long before, according to a classified report filed way back in August 2002. The FBI officials who first aprehended al-Libi also believed he had lied, but they were dismissed from the case in a turf dispute.
The lead torturer was Egyptian intelligence chief, Omar Suleiman, a strong ally in George Tenet’s off-the-books rendition program, later appointed vice-president of Egypt by Hosni Mubarak. Suleiman continued relations with Leon Panetta through the Obama years, dying mysteriously in a US hospital last July along with a wealth of secrets.
Will Maddow’s special show how illegal torture, rendition and secret alliances with dictatorships gave us the crucial lies that steamrolled all resistance to the Iraq War? And if so, why didn’t MSNBC air these reports as they first broke? Why now? What’s changed?
Maddow Unmuzzled?
It’s possible Rachel Maddow may have pushed for more latitude in a new contract. The timing suggests Maddow and other MSNBC staff were given a longer leash after Obama’s re-election, a bold move leftward for the network. MSNBC has also made headlines for regularly topping the ratings of Fox News and Sean Hannity, with Maddow making gains in key demographics. Also completed just last week was full transfer of MSNBC parent NBCUniversal, away from GE, who has defense interests, to Comcast, the media and communications colossus.
But one wonders if Maddow may have asked for more editorial freedom in a contract renegotiation – her previous contract reportedly expired just around November. If you watch her show every day, you might have noticed Ms. Maddow, right around this time, getting more forceful against Republicans and Democrats alike. Here she savages John McCain for “grasping for relevance” hyping Benghazi, and here she questions the legality of Obama’s drone program.
Also adding intrigue were two earlier MSNBC appearances by Col. Wilkerson, alleging Bush-era lawbreaking in interviews by guest hosts who probably did not yet have a deal in place with MSNBC. Typically, network contracts grant final editorial control to the bosses, but also prevent anchors from ever talking about the process, policies, censorship, or bad-mouthing the network in any way.
Subbing for Keith Olbermann in 2010, then-guest host Lawrence O’Donnell tapped Col. Wilkerson for a rare, eye-popping interview about illegal torture and Karl Rove’s book admitting knowledge of military secrets beyond his clearance.
But it was two years ago this week on a pilot MSNBC show featuring Cenk Uygur which for the first time on cable TV, blew open the Curveball story, interviewing Col. Wilkerson who ”absolutely” accused Dick Cheney of duplicity, setting up Powell with false information about Iraq’s WMD program.
This is when America should have begun the debate on accountability, but nothing happened. Instead, Cenk Uygur’s deal with MSNBC quickly fell apart, because MSNBC was concerned with Uygur’s propensity to go too aggressively after establishment figures. Instead of signing a million dollar contract and “toning it down”, Cenk walked away.
How Many Whistleblowers Will it Take?
We’ve been reporting here the long list of Bush administration insiders talking for years about crimes, lies and cover ups: Counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Hugh Shelton, Cheney Mid East advisor David Wurmser, DOJ veteran J. Gerald Hebert, Retired Army Maj. General Antonio Taguba, General Barry McCaffrey, CIA Veteran Robert Baer, and White House Secretary Scott McClellan all spoke publicly about the lies and deceit in the lead up to the invasion.
Maddow’s TV special promises many more, including some who still believe the evidence today. But the media firewall still holds strong, including print. Ex-CIA analyst Melvin Goodman recently called out the Washington Post for sheepishly accepting excuses from the memoirs of Rumsfeld, Rice and Tenet while burying well-publicized debunkings.
In her own words, Condi Rice was saying as early as 2003:
“All that I can tell you is that if there were doubts about the underlying intelligence in the NIE, those doubts were not communicated to the President”.
This acknowledges the holes in the case for war, but blames it on others as she went along for the ride. Similarly, speaking to Al Jazeera, Colin Powell said he was simply passing along the intel that everyone else had vouched for, noting “it is a blot on my record”.
Powell seemed shocked that no one in media or government tried to reverse course:
“Six months later the intelligence community is still standing behind their original judgments even though nothing has been found.”
Recalling his astonishment on learning it was all wrong, Powell blustered:
“Imagine how I felt the day they finally came in and said to me, well we don’t have four independent sources for that biological warfare van, it’s one guy, and he’s loopy, and he’s in a German jail, and we’ve never talked to him. Hello?…”
Cross posted from OpedNews.com
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Let’s get one thing straight: the word “principles” should never appear in the same sentence as the words Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush and Rice.
Powell’s record has a blot on it going back to when he was a major assigned to investigate the Americal Division’s massacre at My Lai.
Lively discussion about this upcoming program ongoing at DemocraticUnderground: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022387155
You remind me, that word should have been “principals” not “principles” – thanks for the heads up, fixed…
Yeah, a lot of people think there’s a stark difference between Wilkerson the whistleblower demanding justice and Powell, seeking to lay low. They say Powell knew this was all crap and just went along because he’d have “enough” deniability later on.
I’m not sure though – he could likely have sailed to the the Republican nomination in 2004, 2008 or 2012 if this never happened. The whole reason he was used to promote the war was because he had high credibility and approval ratings.
One thing’s for sure is that he hasn’t fought back once others started to. His book weakly skirted around the issue, covering his butt but not going after Cheney who clearly set him up. Can he have it both ways anymore?
If Powell had had any honor, he would have resigned as Secretary of State as soon as it became clear he had been used and manipulated. But he didn’t.
Michael Moore’s 2004 film, “Fahrenheit 911,” laid a lot of this out nine years ago. Maddow was all gung-ho for that sort of criticism when there was an “R” in the White House.
Bet she won’t say anything about prosecuting the current war criminal who resides there, though.
Actually, as mentioned above in the article, Maddow has been outspoken about the questionable legality of Obama’s drone program and the NDAA. I reported here last fall that Maddow joined Moore, in speaking out against the NDAA along with Glenn Greenwald, the ACLU, Johnathan Turley, Democracy Now, Mother Jones, The Young Turks, Naomi Wolf, Katrina van den Heuval, Ray McGovern and others, so the left has been very critical of this issue, but Maddow has been the only one putting this out on the TV…
Here is an exclusive on Maddow’s show, showing footage smuggled out of Waziristan as Rachel speaks critically of Obama’s undeclared war in Pakistan killing people with drones extrajudicially.
Here she spoke out on Obama “legalizing” Bush era torture by failing to prosecute. I haven’t seen anyone else on TV ever touch this with a ten foot pole and she was pushing for Obama to prosecute Bush era crimes on the day Obama first took office.
So not only is she “saying something”, she is doing more than anyone else including the Sunday shows, PBS and the others on MSNBC in calling for scrutiny of Obama.
I’d like to watch this. However, it’s unlikely anything will come of airing facts about the people behind the Iraq war. America doesn’t do accountability any more.
I won’t hold my breath waiting for the “political upset.” We’ve had too many opportunities before this.
When I used to watch her, she always gave Obama a full or partial pass on everything. Obama has been president over four years and has expanded both wars and civil rights violations far beyond Bush. Maddow has willingly and even eagerly cooperated. This is no longer just about Bush. See Civil Rights – http://newprogs.org/blog/2011/11/09/civil-rights-under-democraticrepublican-uni-party and War – http://newprogs.org/blog/2011/11/11/wars-under-democraticrepublican-uni-party
When or if any portion of the media decides to really get into these questions, I will be among the first to cheer them on.
However, given the track record thus far, I’m not going to hold my breath.
I don’t think it would be that huge for Maddow to repeat the old al-Libi info, as important as that is. But if she were to state the whole invasion was based on false info set up by the government, and that there needs to be an official nonpartisan, independent investigation into that and the torture, well then perhaps something will begin to happen.
Thanks for letting us know about this.
Yes they all should be tried for Treason but it will never happen. It didn’t happen to tricky dick when LBJ caught him red hand stopping the peace talks before the election so sure isn’t going to happen now.
Given the uptick in the ratings against Hannity, and a renegotiated (and presumably better) contract, Maddow might well have more latitude. Time will tell. Whatever the case, however, I’m skeptical that this news piece (or any other single piece, for that matter) will do much to shake up the discourse. That being said, I’m all for stories such as this one. Now, if only the network would get a clue and lose Blowhard Scarborough, his sidekick Mika “Stockholm Syndrome” Brzezinski, the mindless, slobbering hack, Chris Matthews, and Lawrence “I worked in Congress and therefore know things you couldn’t possibly comprehend” O’Donnell, they might be able to move that operation in a positive direction more quickly.
You might give credit where credit is due here. Rachel is basing this “expose” on a book of the same name by Michael Isikoff and David Korn called “Hubris”. The NBC Special is basically a docudrama based upon their book. So please give these guys some credit as well.
Rachel has had both of them on her show, and has been doing a lot of pushback on the lies that were told about getting us into that war, including her use of the word “lies” early on.
But acknowledge the sources please.
Therein lies the problem. MSNBC does a fine job of criticizing republicans, much less so for Obama and the democrats. If you want to say Rachel is better than most, fine. You might be correct. My point is Obama has been president for over four years and expanded both war and constitutional rights violations far beyond that of Bush. People should excuse neither Bush nor Obama for their actions.
How many wars are we fighting? Certainly we are fighting wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Sudan, Bahrain, Syria and are beating the drums for war in Iran. There are also credible reports of US sponsored war activities in several central African countries and a bombing earlier this year in the Philippines. How about some reporting on that?
As for my sources, see the following with many references. See Civil Rights – http://newprogs.org/blog/2011/11/09/civil-rights-under-democraticrepublican-uni-party and War – http://newprogs.org/blog/2011/11/11/wars-under-democraticrepublican-uni-party
How has Obama expanded the Iraq war?
Do you know Obama has announced the final pull out date for Afghanistan? Last week he announced the troops levels will be halved ahead of schedule.
How has Maddow cooperated in expanding either war?
Did you see her interview with Richard Holbrooke? She laid out in excoriating detail how the war in Afghanistan could never be successful because they don’t have the most basic framework for democracy, such as courts and police.
Obama invited her to lunch at the White House the very next day, but she hasn’t (visibly) let up since. Is there someone in major media you feel is doing a better job of fighting for progressive values? Just curious…
Thanks for the links. I jumped the gun, there. I was wrong. Won’t be the first time, probably won’t be the last. I can’t afford cable, you see.
Doesn’t excuse the fact that I prematurely and thoughtlessly pounced, though.
I was wrong. Thanks for taking the time to provide the links to prove your case. All I can say for myself is that I admit it.
It’s possible nothing comes of this, but this is the first time on TV for any of this material. It’s taken years just for Maddow (and whoever else works with her) to convince MSNBC to run with this stuff banned for so long from the boob tube.
To Jeff @ 12, it’s not really the TV host who calls for investigations, that’s the job of the people. The country made Iraq a big issue in the 2008 election, and the GOP seems to have completely conceded the issue in elections since.
With the info finally in the media, the voter needs to send some people to DC to act. Elizabeth Warren is an example, going to Washington to fight for bank prosecutions four years after the crimes…
No, all are inadequate to me.
You have not read or responded to my article and references on war. The “withdraw” from Afghanistan was only after a huge surge and refusal by Afghanistan to go along with Obama’s demand of an extended presence. It is less rapid than what Bush promised. You have also not responded to expanded war in the countries mentioned nor have you responded to using the drone assassination without proof program.
Rachel has had plenty of opportunity when Obama has made significant violations of constitutional protection and war, but has failed. I take your word for it that occasionally she held Obama accountable. That makes her better than Fox News and probably the rest of MSNBC. It does not excuse her from supporting the duopoly which only finds fault with one party and is blind to the other.
I’d left them out because they announced a significant amount of new material and as the article points out, I was doubtful some of the most relevant findings in the book would be cleared by MSNBC network execs. I just think it’s TOO upsetting for the general public because it suggests major criminal offenses and that’s usually too depressing for corporate sponsors. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong.
If this is a one-hour special, it’s likely to be a mere sliver of the story laid out in the book.
But because you asked, I added the sources above.
Obama tried to extend the war in Iraq beyond the end date negotiated between the government of Iraq and the Bush administration, but the Iraqi government said refused.
As far as Afghanistan:
Mahalo, mary, for highlighting that…!
amerigus, while I admire and respect Rachel, and, think she’s the best of the ‘prime-time’ hosts amongst the Majors, I see her as another Obamabot, cheerleading on drones, Iran, Libya, Pakistan, Syria, and Yemen…! She’s another Neolib R2P proponent…! 8-(
My comment about acknowledging sources was for the author of this diary. He talks as if Rachel Maddow is the “originator” of this so-called expose, when in fact, the author(s) are Michael Isikoff and David Korn. NBC has basically taken their book and made a documentary/docudrama out of it and Rachel is narrating it.
That to me, does not say anything one way or the other about Rachel. It does however, say something for Isikoff and Korn, and about NBC/MSNBC and their willingness to air the contents of the book and whatever it says – which I do not know, not having read it. I, like most of you I suspect, have only heard the teases.
This will quickly come to nothing. You will have Wilkerson and Zinni on the one hand saying that Cheney didn’t want to hear anything that wasn’t of use to build a fake case for war against Iraq, and that he and his underlings leaned on agencies and other cabinet members to make the reported facts fit the desired policy. On the other hand Cheney will say, Well those guys are certainly entitled to their opinion on how the intelligence process worked. I disagree with their characterization of how it worked, and how accurate the intelligence was. But that’s all it is: a difference between their opinion and mine together with the opinions of Condi Rice and Colin Powell (who also will be offered blindfolds and cigarettes if I go down for war crimes).
And then there’s W. “Go ‘head, you know, print your librul propaganda in your librul press. Man the catapults – heh hehheh heh – full steam ahead! I know what you’re gonna say already and I don’t care. Everybody already heard this stuff the first time. They know and they don’t care, just like everybody knows I’m not competent to stand trial. Ahm CRAAAZY – ain’t you seen my paintings yet? Cray. Zee. And if you don’t like that version, then you prolly like the other one and think Ahm a retarded man child, like out of a Faulkner book, and Unka Dick led me around by my nose and made me do all that awful stuff to Iraq. Either way, no jury you could ever put me in front of would convict me. Cuz besides, Ahm a former US President, bitchez! Ain’t nobody got anything on me. You can’t condemn me without condemning yourselves. So Ahm FREE and you just got to suck on it. You had your chance back in Jan 2009 to start something, and YOU BLEW IT.
Most Democrats LOVE to blame things on Bush, but they don’t like to “look backwards” too much I notice. Looking backwards with a view to holding the guilty accountable for their crimes makes them uncomfortable. See in the back of their minds, they know their guy is doing many of the same sort of things. If we start demanding accountability for executive branch power grabs, for lying to the public to further injurious policies, for corrupt dealings in exchange for campaign cash, and who knows where that will end up? No, they say, we need to be looking forward!
Thank you. It may be only a sliver – but they do deserve the acknowledgement. Rachel gives them their due when she does her plugs as well.
You and I must not be watching the same programs. I have not seen Rachel “cheerleading” the drones program. In fact she has been questioning the validity of it.
She has also been questioning the validity of certain people rushing to want to go to war with Iran as well. I don’t see any cheerleading here either.
Wattup?
I wish I could be optimistic about any political upset on what Maddow might bring out. Excellent diary, though.
MSNBC would see a big ratings jump if they hired Abby Martin and Max Blumenthal to replace some of their blowhards. And gave Abby and Max some leeway and a decent research and fact-checking budget.
There needs to be about 5X as much attention paid on high audience TV to the increasing failures of conventional capitalism, and to accelerating climate change indications.
Maybe we should not be so sure….maybe there are more people than we know who are sick to death at what is happening to our country…who know that some repentance and truth are due. Even the word “accountability.” It may just be the time…..Just alot of noise and pushback would be a very good start…a real ruin for the career of Rice. The others are pretty far past a use by date…..Rummy and Cheney. But they do not have to be given any peace. What if the world/Iraq wanted some serious revenge or prosecution….We are endangering ourselves.
Rachel has already stated on numerous occasions that we were lied into invading Iraq. She did so in a rather long segment on Friday night that was not a plug for the special that was coming up. She has done so several times.
She has also talked about the torture – including having several people on her show that were directly involved. She has always used the word torture – and been very sarcastic about “enhanced interrogation”.
Alright, I’ll concede that ‘cheerleading’ is a poor choice, but, she has not repudiated the pablum being fed to her by her NBC minders…! By and large, she received the message, loud and clear, from Cenk’s firing and Dylan’s departure…! 8-(
Thanks for the info. I don’t have a tv, much less cable, and I mostly gave up on MSNBC after about Feb 2009. So good for them & Maddow & Korn & Isikoff, and good luck with that. This is certainly not new info, and as has been pointed out already, a lot of this info has been published in one fashion or another over the years by various whistleblowers. And frankly it hasn’t made one goddamned bit of difference most particularly to the PTB but also to “we the people” who frankly don’t give a damn.
Pardon my cynicism, but I don’t see anything much coming of this except possibly for ratings for MSNBC. I’d be quite happy to be proven wrong, but I’m not holding my breath.
Good luck to all concerned, though.
Abby and Max would kick *ss…! I also would like to see Rachel interview Flynt and Hillary Mann Leverett on Iran, and, Gideon Levy on Israel…! ;-)
What in hell are you talking about?
Look, repudiating drones is repudiating any minders. And repudiating the Bush “official” past about Irak is bad somehow? Is it just because Rachel doesn’t pass a perfect purity test that, well then, there’s no there, there?
Come on man.
Making the recent history into the truth is a very important job, and she’s going to get a lot of shit for it. A lot. So is David Korn and Isikoff.
But what is the greater good here? Just my opinion, but I think Americans KNOW that the war was a lie, and I think they need to be verified and be able to say that.
Because, yes, I dream, but Irak reparations could come from such an acknowledgment; and they certainly can’t come WITHOUT that type of acknowledgment of wrongness. And yes, reparations should indedd come to Irak.
Just my opinion.
Comcast has accelerated its buyout of NBC from GE. So, maybe there will be an improvement in coverage. I wonder if the timing of Maddow’s Iraq expose is in part because of that deal. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/13/comcast-ge-nbcuniversal-idUSL4N0BC53220130213?feedType=RSS&
It has appeared to my casual eye that MSNBC has been increasingly muzzled over the past couple of years on issues that affect GE’s other holdings.
I’m in total agreement with the greater good, Kelly…! I do fervently hope it does wake up the masses, I just don’t see it happening…! About those reparations, as a bare minimum, we need to clean up our DU in Fallujah, and elsewhere…!
And Yes…! I do have a purity test, Kelly, and I even fail it…! ;-)
Also – they’re airing it on President’s Day.
I think there’s a certain, uh, cachet, that goes with that.
I’ve missed MSNBC. When they got rid of Olbermann and Uber and when Rachel seemed to be getting soft, I quit watching. I’ll check out Monday’s show and it might prompt me to give Rachel a second chance. I hope Rachel proves to be the honest and courageous journalist I once thought she was.
Maybe.
But I think it’s likely that everybody who actually cares about the truth already knows we were lied to -and not just a little – by the Bush Administration in order to drag us into the Iraq War. We all knew the thing was fake before the first shock was awed. They were ham handed magicians who showed up drunk, kicking their props and rabbits around the stage, daring their assistants (like poor Hans Blix and the hapless UN weapons inspectors) and the audience not to smile and applaud. Frequently the magic show got so sloppy it produced audible gasps from the viewers. The famous “dossier” turned out to be plagiarized 3rd hand bunk, cribbed from a graduate student’s term paper and presented as the work of “British Intelligence.” The rabbit was peeking out at the footlights from under the hat when Cheney’s hand unmistakably poked through the lid to pluck it out of the supposedly solid table. The yellow cake thing? A forgery. Iraq went into the box, whole. THe box was sliced in two, came apart, was shown again to the audience with Iraq’s head at one end, feet at the other. Then it was joined up again. Iraq fell out of it, SPLAT, cut up into bloody chunks. TAA DAA! And [i]still[/i] we were expected to clap for their incompetence. Like millionaire legacy students collecting their Gentlemen’s Cs in college, they didn’t need to perform any better and they knew it.
We all knew it was fake over 10 years ago. Some people would like a real investigation of the FIRST TRAVESTY. You know, the one we’re still fighting today and apparently will never be able to declare over, even after we leave Afghanistan.
I meant to paste that in at the end as my conclusion. Thanks for jogging my memory.
That boat already sailed about ten fucking years ago.
In my best Jack Nicholson impression, “Woop di friggin do”
I guess ten years from now, Rachel will have the guts to tell us how the current presididn’t knew exactly how unconstitutional his secret kill lists are in addition to knowing full well they are counterproductive and an excellent means for PRODUCING terrorists.
Thanks Rachel, for telling us shit we already know, way too late to mean anything. WHAT A JOURNALIST!
I get that. I really do. But I reject it, on a philosophical basis and here’s why;
Guilt is no damn good. And when we set ourselves upon perfection, what we should realize is that it is unattainable, but the striving for it is really what counts.
In the striving, people invariably fail. Because people are human and prone to failure and foibles. This should be expected.
I just keep coming back to the personal lives of humans, because no one is a perfect mother or father, but that doesn’t stop them from becoming one. Nor becoming a better one as time goes by.
Just like it doesn’t stop a musician. Never perfect. Always striving, but never stopping, Nor Accepting Marginalization because they aren’t perfect.
This demand that some people have for political purity just frikking exasperates me beyond measure, when I know that the differences that I’ve made have been incremental. It’s just nobody likes “incremental” any more and has made it some awful word.
Some people expect some sort of “we’ve done it, we’ve won it, and we’re done” kind of situation to appear, when the reality is it’s Never Over. Struggle is continual.
We’ll never, individually, have the luxury of seeing a completely won, perfect world.
Kelly, what a thoughtful comment. All respect.
A wise person once told me, set short term goals, medium term goals and long term goals.
Those who only have short term goals are, well, maybe short sighted.
Thank you for your willingness to share something I feel is important.
So no one in media is good enough for you, got it.
I know well about the Afghan surge, I marched against it at West Point. But Obama is at last overseeing the end of the large footprint ground conflict. Maddow has dogged Obama about Afghanistan and Pakistan and the other wars since she launched in 2008. She has aired reports about Israeli aggression in Syria and Lebanon.
Maddow has aired WikiLeaks cables, she had major exclusives on Ugandan human rights violations that seem to have affected policies “overnight”, she reported on drone strikes in Somalia, undeclared war in Libya, and “the other other other other other war in Yemen”. Maddow reported in 2011 about American corporate mercenaries destroying mosques in Bahrain for the UAE, Saudis and Yemen.
Bush scheduled earlier exits to the wars because he knew how likely a Democratic win in 2008 was (McCain and Romney both said they wanted to extend the wars indefinitely). And Obama, while running vowed to extend them to seem “strong” in crucial swing states, just like LBJ continued Vietnam against his own wishes to compete with Nixon on foreign policy.
But the undeclared wars abroad have been consistently reported by Maddow. She had the only interview to date with Jeh Johnson, Obama’s top Pentagon counsel, who has called for the end of the “endless war” designation and she conspicuously “pushed” him if you saw the episode.
I listed above examples of her criticisms of Obama’s drone strikes, including exclusives. See @ 8.
I get that you feel Rachel has “failed” to single-handedly turn the country around, but even Obama has said he cannot change Washington without major outside help. I’ll agree that RM could’ve put third party candidates on air, but unless you host a major network show, you don’t understand the difficulty in having a boss tell you what can and can’t do. MSNBC is owned by NBCU which was until last week owned by GE, a major defense contractor.
Maddow’s bosses are multimillionaires, maybe even billionaires. They have different interests from the common sap watching on the couch. They need mergers approved, have to maintain giant corporate sponsorships, and love tax breaks for the rich and deregulation. So they are simply not going to turn the whole network over to a bleeding heart liberal former AIDS activist overnight.
She nevertheless seems to be changing the face of cable TV, but her network and show still has to operate within the confines of the modern cultural/entertainment format, meaning commercial sponsors have to be onboard and the content has to appeal to a certain “bottom line” demographic.
On one fateful show, “someone” cut the audio on her show just as Lt. Dan Choi was about to violate the military’s DADT policy by saying “I’m gay” live on the air. No one has come anywhere near her coverage of the attempts at closing the last abortion clinics in Kansas and Mississippi.
Within these realities, I’d say America is pretty lucky to have someone like Rachel Maddow fighting so hard to get important information across the airwaves. If I was you, I’d criticize the network execs, the FCC, and the lazy, absentee electorate instead.
Yep. Nice comment. Would we could all do that.
Okay, Kelly…! Please enlighten me as to where I accept ‘marginalization’ and, have stopped ‘striving’ to improve, and/or inform people, however incremental my efforts might be…?
As someone who frequently watches RM I just want to add here that she always seemed a straight shooter to me. I never thought she carried anyone’s water.
I didn’t say you accept anything. All I said was I disagree with your “test” piece.
After that, it’s just personal opinion. That’s all.
@ amerigus Thanks for this post and your defense of RM and the work she is doing.
Very well said! Thanks for the post and all the follow-up on comments.
Yes it is about bush and his fellow (if shown to be true) war criminals. Prosecute them to the fullest extent possible, as an example of those who are garbage to America and its ideals.
Anything to enlighten the masses who don’t know this history. It’s going to take the passing of the current bureaucracy to bring our criminals and neocons to justice, like with Peru and Argentina. I hope the show isn’t as partisan as the book was.
There certainly shouldn’t be statute of limitations on murder.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/vincent-bugliosi/the-prosecution-of-george_b_102427.html
…thank you Barmitt O’bamney … needs to be pointed out
Seems oddly convenient on part of MSNBC and ” liberal TV news personality and star” as portrayed / played by Rachel Maddow to be touching on this topic here in Feb.2013 and not one or two years ago. This is not a Profile In Political Reporting here in 2013 it would have been in 2009. This now seems very much about Obama being now safely re-elected in 2012 and being POTUS until 2016 so lets turn some lights on now — its ‘OK’ now. Courageous? No. Prolific reveal? No.
Had Barack Obama within first 3-6 months post Jan.20,2009 announced no matter where and to who it led to ( R or D politician(s) ) the Obama WH and Obama DOJ were #1 going to peel back all and any political and legal conduct that did not pass reasonable distance smell test(s) and #2 were going to start at the top and work down into mid ranks to find out where rot had been or was and who the crookeds /criminals were. Message being sent to crookeds one about claimed immunity and /or impunity and / or imperial standing to ignore / detour around / thwart Rule Of Law was not going to fly. The worst violators having the worst to fear and being done.
Instead POTUS Obama doubled down on Bush/Cheney GWOT and in several ways moved on doing more dishonest and wanton death dealing while conducting Pentagon/CIA terror pursuit(s) with full Obama WH enable(s).
If Rachel Maddow’s current MSNBC handlers are now going to conduct this bit of Rachel Maddow TV News For USians to knock Bush/Cheney GWOT conduct around while failing to proceed past Jan.20,2009 and doing same to Barack Obama and Obama WH GWOT that is a real tell.Rachel Maddow lost me a long time ago with her pro O/D tinting and tilting. O/D zealots going into a swoon over this being so? Some more R vs. D junk.
D zealots belong in Political Purgatory for what they have let POTUS Obama(DINO)(MIC Wars) do and keep doing while straining ceaselessly to drag Bush/Cheney beyond Jan.20,2009 to use as misdirection and distraction. Meanwhile the O/D zealots waltz with Obama who is doing Bush / Cheney GWOT/ American Empire very much while cloaked with D zealots IOKIYAAD veneer(s).
Say what you will about Rachel, Ed, Lawrence and Eliot Spitzer when he was on, if you listened, you knew (know) the basics of what is going on in this country and the world. If they err, they correct it. There is a lot of criticism from the right, but based on those I know none of them ever watch MSNBC and Current when it included Eliot. Most of the clowns I know (including some very smart people) are self induced ignoramouses dedicated to saving the reputations of fux news, limpdick and their fellow clowns. They are totally unable to discuss issues because none of their sources is honest. None.
Partisan? You mean there were Democrats participating in the lying and war crimes?
That thought did cross my mind. Further, I have no doubt that it was a real tightrope walk with GE running the show – or even 50% of it. Time will tell whether Comcast taking full control will be an improvement. Another variable at play here is Al-J coming on the cable scene. I assume that the presence of a competitor which does actual real news might force the other players to think about upping their games. (Obviously, “Fox” is a lost cause. Given the direction CNN has taken with a new CEO driving the bus, the term “lost cause” probably applies to that operation, as well.)
Time will tell…
Bradly Manning is being punished for real revelations.
He is being punished right now. He has been punished before being tried and even declared guilty by the current administration. The current asshole in chief is conducting regular terrorist bombings every fucking day, right now.
The crimes committed by the Bush administration have already been ignored and the criminals have gotten away. Barack Obama’s Justice Department will not pursue, not because we need to look forward, but because looking AT ALL will reveal he and congress were and ARE complicit and instrumental in crimes committed and BEING committed.
THIS kind of bullshit, ten year old “news” is nothing but a distraction from the criminality of what is going on right now.
Fuck you Rachel Maddow. Look at the Justice Department, look at secret kill lists, look at innocent people being vaporized, look at the damage terrorizing entire populations is doing to our reputation, look at John Brennan, look at Whistleblower prosecutions, look at what the military is secretly doing in the ME and Africa, hell, just take one or two items from wiki-leaks and use it to expose how corrupt our state department was and still is, but don’t start belly-aching about how bad those Bush era people were, Obama still has most of them on the PAYROLL.
This. Unless it’s acknowledged that the strategy of lies and fearmongering that guided us into war with Iraq has never been abandoned, this is irrelevant. Our government is still making shit up to justify murder, war, occupation and resource theft.
http://articles.cnn.com/2007-05-28/politics/clinton.iraq_1_national-intelligence-estimate-intelligence-report-chemical-and-biological-weapons?_s=PM:POLITICS
Who was it that impeachment off the table? Who voted to keep funding the war?
The Abu Graib scandal got brushed under the rug with help from both parties.
Do you understand what I’m saying?
These things don’t happen without having enablers in the opposition party.
I miss Dylan Ratigan. He seemed to have a better understanding of the entire Wall Street/bankster/war machine connection than the others. G.E. was made uncomfortable, goodbye Dylan.
IMO, the use of the word deception instead of lies indicates how hard hitting this puff piece will be. Old news to anyone not lobotomized by Bushco nor busy fluffing Obama or Pelosi.
Well spoken! :-)
This is the night I quit listening to Maddow. She was on Letterman, willfully missing the entire point about Wikileaks. Plus: ‘No memos from the MSNBC bosses’, or close.
She says bit more transparency would be good, but professionals oughtta decide what should be available to the public. Meh.
Yeah, all you Neo-cons want to send Obama to prison for his drone warfare which is just another Bush policy. We Libs don’t really care for the program because of the civilian deaths. So, when you say Rachel doesn’t spend time criticizing Obama on his warfare techniques you probably don’t watch Rachel with regularity because you can’t handle the truth…
I can’t stand Maddow, Schultz, and the rest of those idiots – they’re just as badly partisan as those moronic hacks at Fox. You can’t trust major news networks – they are there to sell a product to a specific audience, and doing anything but demonizing the other side doesn’t entertain their sheep followers.
This should be a major cry from the American people to keep them informed of events in our world! Just absolutely pathetic programs offered to viewers nationwide. Anyone out there with Charter had enough lack of news channels? How about Dish? Looking for content on CSPAN, NPR? We tried to view the Keystone protest in Washington Sunday afternoon and it was NOwhere, but major news from our citizens. What kind of retarded country is this we sheep are living in? I recognize this is no surprise, but where is the anger that we can be so manipulated and BORED to shit with shopping, comedy etc.. while our damned world is blown up and poisoned. EH???? NEWS? Our children need real information to form an effective government, if that is even possible. It is time we mount some real protests.. non-commercial (thanks Clinton) and smart- imagine how enthralling it would actually be. And don’t forget the overseas coverage either for Americans, so we can see how badly we are being viewed by the rest of the world and abused by corporations and politicians. Sorry- just enough crap. More power to Rachel. The folks are bored and angry.
I think of them, and the presididn’t who is really not much more than a press secretary for the MICC, as matadors whose function is to keep the poor, tortured bull distracted and lunging after the wrong thing. The stupid animal doesn’t realize his tormentor is not the big wavy thing being dangled in front of him, it’s the wily little pompous grinning shithead all dressed in gold.
When one of those brutalized animals does figure it out and gets a horn up one of their asses, I have to confess to feeling the sadistic, arrogant bastard deserved it.
While I agree this story needs to be told, it isn’t really anything new. Even 10 years ago people were calling out the MSM for being a mouthpiece for the Bush administration. Even MSNBC did nothing to go against the tides of war at the time. Going along with embedded reporters and letting the administration dictate what and what could not go on the air is not the role of a ‘free press.’ Of course to those that pay attention this is all nothing new. Truth is the first casualty of war.
Now the question is, what do we do about it? If we are the US, we do nothing, ignore the fact that the US is a rogue, war criminal nation, and continue to push for more useless wars all over the globe. We vote in criminals that will just continue in the same vein over and over.
Our government is wholly owned by the MIC and big business, and nothing will change, short of a revolution.
She doesn’t want random Australians deciding what classified documents should be leaked to the American public…
yet in the article above, the meme “Rachel Unmuzzled” is casually dropped.
I’ll take an Australian who puts his money and ass on the line speaking truth to power as events unfold any day over someone who is finally “allowed” to say something that should have been said ten years ago.
“Look, Daddy’s letting me go out till ten o’clock tonight! I’m a big girl now.”
Please folks,she works for MSNBC,pulls in millions of dollars annually and gets promoted as a progressive.
Maddow = FRAUD.
Those are DemBots who conveniently ignore the role their party played in the Iraq massacres and occupation. If you are to bring any of this up over there you will be attacked and banned.
It was not just George W. Bush and Powell and Cheney who are involved.
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Had a majority of either the Republican-controlled House or the Democratic-controlled Senate voted against the resolution authorizing the invasion or had they passed an alternative resolution conditioning such authority on the approval of the use of force from the United Nations Security Council, all the tragic events that have unfolded as a consequence of the March 2003 invasion would have never taken place.
The responsibility for the deaths of over 4,400 American soldiers, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians, the waste of nearly one trillion dollars of our national treasury and the rise of terrorism and Islamist extremism that has come as a result of the US invasion and occupation of Iraq rests as much in the hands of the members in Congress who authorized the invasion as it does with the administration that requested the lawmakers’ approval. Indeed, the October 2002 resolution authorizing the invasion had the support of the majority of Democratic senators, as well as the support of the Democratic Party leadership in both the House and the Senate.
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Democrats’ Responsibility
The Democrats who voted to support the war and rationalized for it by making false claims about Iraq’s WMD programs are responsible for allowing the Bush administration to get away with lying about Iraq’s alleged threat. For example, Bush correctly noted how “more than a hundred Democrats in the House and the Senate – who had access to the same intelligence – voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power.”
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http://archive.truthout.org/iraq-the-democrats-war63120
The Military Industrial Congressional Complex.
Absolutely.
Maddow and her ilk are definitely not straight shooters, nor are they straight liars.
Maddow et al only tell and are only allowed to tell half of the truth which makes them great propagandists. That’s all the system will allow them to say and they understand this clearly which is why they hold such high profile positions.
People who are using Maddow, Maher, Stewart etc. for their political knowledge are as lost as those relying on Rush, Hannity etc. for their skewed perspective. In fact in many ways they are worse as they pretend to be superior to the obviously misinformed hooligans that listen to the Repub mouthpieces.
In the end Maddow like Moore, McKibben, Maher, Scheer, Reich and so many more are Democratic apologists and serve to maintain the status quo by convincing people that the Dems are on our side if only a bit misguided, which if you’ve been paying attention is so far from reality as to be laughable.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE the characterture of Rachel!! It’s the inner male HER! I HOPE she loves it too. What a talent this artist is!
At least she didn’t squawk: LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS!!! as so many captured Dems did at the time (I was writing at one of those sites at the time), and my piece on Maddow’s bullshit on Assange wasn’t received all that well, lol.
Too friggin’ big fer her britches’ I called her among other things, but I see it should have been: ‘…fer her Daddy’s britches’. Oedipus, O Oedipus…
(No one’s mentioned her lurve for the brave and embedded Richard Engel, whose work help continue the wars, either.)
… excellent comment … well stated … X 2
Something doesn’t make sense here:
(1) Obama is obviously still working for the Cheney-Bush Administration;
(2) MSNBC is Obama’s campaign staff;
(3) Rachel Maddow usually publishes only far-Right Propaganda [trying to trick Left/Liberal/Progressive voters into supporting the extreme Right-wing policies of the Obama Administration (Slavery in Bahrain, Qatar, Africa; Genocide in Syria, Bahrain, Libya; Lynching in Africa & Pakistan; Assassinations [she gets so happy about Assassinations, no one could accuse her of being a serious reporter]);
(4) I do not believe the assertion that Rachel Maddow and MSNBC will issue a truthful report on this subject that doesn’t Cover Up crimes committed by Barack Obama.
Habitual liars cry “Wolf!” That’s what they do.
Taking the metro in Paris a few years back, I witnessed a very clever, coordinated ruse perpetrated by a group of tourist harvesters.
In the middle of the subway car, was an incredibly stinky (piss-soaked), bellicose, unkempt man. His very loud and rude antics cleared people from the middle and consequently packed people at each end, and their attention was focused directly on him. My wife and I had become separated, with each one of us at an end. We maintained eye contact and I mouthed “Are you okay?” She nodded, but we both thought something fishy is going on. When the car arrived at the next stop (the ICE train station where all the tourist passengers usually disembark) and my wife tried to exit the car, she was prevented from leaving by two people squishing her, so she had to push and squeeze to get out. The same kind of scenerio was happening on my end of the car as well. Walking toward the train station, she noticed my backpack had been unzipped, then she reflexively checked her purse. The crafty bastards had opened it and extracted her wallet during the surge for the door.
Distraction is the key to perpetrating all number of crimes. Accountability is out of the question with respect to whatever Rachel is going to “reveal”, and “rocking the boat” is only going to occur if a big scene is fabricated for a reason.
Law’s were broken? Big deal. Our Constitutional scholar of a presididn’t gets up, right in our collective face, and asserts his executive right to spy on anybody, declare people guilty without trial, fly drones (oh wait, you can’t know that we do that even though we’ve already told you we do and even brag about it) over countries to terrorize and murder people in “accepted zones,” calls secret committees “due process” and somehow people think MSNBC is going to ruffle some feathers telling us we were sold a bunch of lies!?
LOL, they don’t even bother lying anymore. They just do what they want and say tough shit. Parading pictures of Bush, Cheney, Rice, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Powell etc etc from the debacle from back then is nothing but a big fat distraction from something going on right now under our very noses.
Bush’s Treasury Secretary, Paul O’Neil, said that in the very first cabinet meeting they were planning on invading Iraq and looking for a reason.
In the fall of 2002, Charles Friedman (former ambassador to Saudi Arabia) was telling anyone who would listen that he knew Bush was planning an Iraq invasion since taking office – word was on the street in DC, in early 2001, that Bush was going to Iraq.
Bush didn’t want any intel. There would have been no 2002 National Intelligence Estimate if Bob Graham (D) chair of senate Intelligence Committee didn’t insist on having one written. Even then, only senators could look at it without taking notes – few chose to even read it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/18/AR2005111802397.html
Joe Biden, 2002 Chair Senate Foreign Relations Committee & big fan of the Iraq war, did not allow any witnesses opposing the Iraq invasion in his hearings.
http://www.accuracy.org/release/1784-biden-what-kind-of-foreign-policy-experience/
Chemical & Biological weapons and dirty bombs are not weapons of mass destruction – the US & Soviets studied and abandoned them and found only dozens could be killed.
Americans have been lied into every war over the previous century:
Gulf War (1991)Daddy Bush – Iraq is amassing an invasion force on the Saudi border.
Vietnam, LBJ – Gulf of Tonkin.
Korea was of no strategic importance to the US (1948 Joint Chiefs).
WWII, http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/12/06/pearl-harbor-roosevelt-knew/
WWI Wall Street would have not been repaid if Britain & France lost.
Spanish American war – Remember the Maine.
WOW. Maddow’s gonna reveal that there were no WMDs in Iraq and that USG was behind the lie.
Gee, I can’t wait for the news.
Maddow’s a second level propaganda outlet.
You write of distraction as the key. Yes, and it seems that this directly counters that massive protest which has gone under radar. This is a design to hide Keystone?
That team of thieves got my wife’s wallet and almost got my camera at the same time. Why waste a great attention-grabber on just one prize?
“We said we were going to look forward…. to fleecing you, that is! AHAHAHAHAAAA!”
Seriously, maybe people are waking up. Maybe the sheisters running this place think pointing fingers at an administration 5 years gone will satisfy some pulsing lust for accountability due to the austerity that’s coming down the pike. Maybe looking backward is the only other way TO look if your gaze is shifting from forward toward inward and what’s there is too ugly to reveal.
Great read, offers a bit of hope for future doings . . .
Hard to believe it’s being ALLOWED to be produced and aired, tho.
We’ll see . . . what outcomes follow it’s airing. Including whether Maddow gets the muzzled once again, or not.
Comcast or GE, corporations and their money own the media and government. It IS corporate fascism, fully in place with the ever developing police state . . . . so I don’t look for much to change but hey, I’m ALWAYS happy to be surprised.
Great read, rcc’d, and bookmarked and shared on FB. Thanks for the diary.
Interesting points from the “purists” that feel Maddow is a cheerleader for Obama, despite the links above to her reports on his extrajudicial drone strikes. Okay.
They also feel the Democrats are part and parcel of the problem (imperialism, colonialism, human rights violations, etc.). Although I agree with this, I don’t think Maddow having on Democrats like Elizabeth Warren, Sherrod Brown or Eric Schneiderman is an endorsement of Democrats like Ben Nelson, Evan Bayh or Chris Dodd.
So we need to get specific. Or else you yourself are propagandists. You can’t blame her for cheerleading for the Democratic party hacks, or the MIC supporters. I’d say it was fair to criticize her for her fawning over Barney Frank or Nancy Pelosi, because she did interview or praise them.
But then we come up against the “network” limitation. For those of us not running a network show, we are quite free to hammer Pelosi for taking impeachment off the table, condoning torture, making deals with neocons, etc. But those of us saying this will never be given a network anchoring slot because commercial TV has very little to do with reality. It’s about attracting and maintaining an audience who will purchase products advertised on the show, such as Preparation H, Mop n’Glo, or increasingly, prescription pharmaceuticals.
This brings up the question, is Maddow, arguably the most liberal host on TV, doing enough to teach her multimillionaire corporate bosses about being more populist? Is she not changing the landscape fast enough in being the first to air Iraq WMD deceit?
Should she be more aggressively attempting to alter the entire system so that useful news and information can once again be shared to inform the masses?
Some posts in this thread are not only unrealistic, they assume something of a messianic expectation put upon singular figures like Maddow. If I was her, I’d say why don’t you people all go out and get Citizens United repealed before you criticize me? Why not get the FCC to enforce bias and campaign finance statutes?
MSNBC is a relatively low rated network, so everything they are doing is but a small piece of the overall picture moving the needle in political discourse. The talk radio audience dwarfs all political cable programming and Rupert Murdoch is so blatant he openly funnels money to guys like Scott Walker, John Kasich and Rick Snyder as his network pretends to report on them.
Notice what Maddow does to powerful figures like Susan Rice or Jeh Johnson. It’s nudging without alienating – everyone in government has someone over their head stopping them from doing certain things (except Dick Cheney).
This is the only way to be useful. And if you are not delivering useful support to political leaders (votes, donations, volunteers, petitions, etc.) why should they listen to you? Maddow demonstrates her following not just through her TV ratings, but with thousands of likes for everything she posts on Facebook.
Until a cable network premieres “The Liberal Hour” starring hotdog and jimbo, Maddow is the best hope on TV for criticizing drone strikes, Bush era crimes, vote fraud, war on reproductive rights, anti-union crusading, human rights violations, and more.
There are topics she doesn’t cover. I’ve written about them here and here, but I’ve always felt she was hitting editorial ceilings imposed on her by anyone from the CEO to her immediate boss.
The only reason Powell had high credibility is because 1) most people don’t know of his role in the initial cover-up of My Lai and 2) the American people have been brainwashed to believe that Powell has integrity.
Powell has about as much integrity as Alexander Haig.
And god forbid anyone should out Korn as a go-to guy for CIA, if not an outright trained officer.
Suggesting?!
… seems likely so hotdog
Elizabeth Warren is a warmonger – read her election website on Iran. Really crazy.
I used to respect Sherrod Brown (when he was running for Congress the first time, he praised a far-Left poetic editorial I wrote). I used to respect him a lot more than I do since he stopped identifying as a Progressive, the day he moved up to the Senate. No Democrats in the Senate identify as Progressives. Zero.
Having these two on the show depicts just what I was talking about:
Maddow tries to trick Progressives into voting for the Right: Neither of those Senators is Progressive, by their own reckoning, but Maddow is parading them out there, trying to trick people into believing that her guests are on the Left.
There are a number of implied assumptions behind this “purists” line of assault – and make no mistake, it is an assault, designed to silence people and terminate consideration and discussion.
To say that Maddow(for example) is being rejected because she is not quite perfect is to imply that she is kinda sorta there, or “in the right direction” or presumed to be an ally. What is being pointed out here is not that Maddow and The Dems fail some perfection test – an imaginary test that suggests that she/they are mostly OK but have a few flaws that only perfectionists would notice, and a test that the people being accused of using it are not using – but rather that these people are not at all, in any way, remotely, or vaguely aligned any of the working people and that the notion that they are aligned with us is all a carefully created and totally false illusion. What are presumed to be “flaws” – which a few of us are supposedly unwilling to overlook in our purported quest for “perfection” – are actually accurate glimpses through the camouflage at the whole picture, not minor peripheral and insignificant flaws.
They aren’t minor flaws in an otherwise perfect gem – they are indicators as to the true nature of this chunk of manure painted up to look like a gem so as to fool people. Looking through the holes in the fancy paint job at the interior of the object, and saying it is not a flawed diamond, it is a chunk of manure with a coat of paint hastily slopped on to make it look like a diamond is merely pointing out the hypocrisy and unreality of the liberal fetish.
On another level this assault is wrong-headed and destructive, and that is in the implied assumption that politics is a matter of personal taste – “well that is what YOU want but not very many people agree with you.” Politics is about the greatest good for the greatest number, not about “what I want.” The narcissistic belly button lint gazing is completely antithetical to working class solidarity, and is nothing more than an amusing little hobby for the pampered and spoiled and selfish latte’ liberal.
Beyond the question of whether or not this particular person is perfect, I also reject the assumption that we are all looking for a person to begin with, and that looking for a person is the essence of politics.
Looking for a person is the problem, not the solution. Insulting, frustrating, and silencing the most perceptive among us is what is destroying the possibility of a strong Left emerging, and is the tawdry and amoral House Negro work that keeps the ruling class in place. THAT is the problem, and that is a LONG way from the snide and demeaning accusations that critics of Maddow, and the entire cavalcade liberal gatekeepers, are being a prissy little perfectionists, carping and fault finding for the sake of irritating people or being a party spoiler.
This “you are being a purist” propaganda is infinitely more destructive to the Left than anything that ever comes from the right wingers, and is one of the most important bulwarks of ruling class power.
This is not nit-picking. It is not “being negative.” It is not being a “purist.”
This is the whole battle.
We have tried being polite, reasoning with people, documenting the truth, respecting and considering people’s complaints that we are being too harsh, too radical, that we are making attacks, that we are alienating allies, that we are hurting “the cause.”
None of that has worked.
The years slip by. Conditions grow worse and worse, The danger grows and grows. The ruling class gets stronger and stringer. Polite nicey-nice “can’t we all get along children and play nice?” is bringing no positive returns and there is nothing to lose by speaking the truth as harshly as needs be to get the message across.
Maybe the bottom line is whether or not we all seek the same depth of changes in our society. There is no doubt in my mind that whether under the control of Democrats or the Republicans, the number one beneficiary of political decisions, be they foreign policy or domestic, will be large industries/the extremely wealthy – that is, the general protection of the status quo, and the continuation of a capital-before-people mentality, the right of the US to impose its will on nations for the benefit of its corporations.
Purity. LOL
I guess that’s about right.
This
showexposeground-breaking re-run reeks so badly of a PR stunt by the Obama administration that it smells like PURE bullshit.Mainstream news media no longer has any credibility. They have shown themselves to be tools of whatever message the Pentagon wants to put out. That’s why the latest fear campaign is internet vulnerability. Once people are afraid to talk here, ALL we’ll have is muted, stale, token reports to go by. That’s why hacks like Rachel have to at least appear to be progressive champions…five years too late and a trove of wikileaks documents too short.
In defense of Elizabeth Warren,
normanb, I cannot disagree that Warren disappointed on foreign policy. She had no discernable experience in that area and when running, simply pasted the DNC boilerplate onto her website, which is indistinguishble from AIPAC’s. She may have been following the example of Kirsten Gillibrand who did the same, writing her constituents about a “support for Israel’s right to defend itself” so vague, it was almost begging off the subject.
As the junior Senator from MA, where John Kerry is going off to be Secretary of State, there is no doubt she will have pressure to vote on party coat tails. But that party will be running Ed Markey in the next election, here is his record on votes for Israel.
I don’t want to totally slag Warren. All I can say is that when you have a great drummer, you don’t necessarily want them to sing. Being in the US Senate means voting on a range of things, but Warren’s work must be primarily done in the financial sphere where she has already shown more backbone than any Democrat in a decade.
The truth is she should have been the head of the Consumer Financial Protection Agency but she got run out on a rail because of bad faith politics by bought-off politicians. The people of her home state sent her to DC anyway, to right a wrong. Let’s back her on prosecutions for the mortgage fraud crisis, even if she is a one-trick pony. My two cents.
More generally, how do you get to a first term Senator, do you appeal to them to consider an issue in a different way, showing unified activism and popular support, or do you pessimistically write them off after their first month in office, planning to complain for the next six years from the outer fringes?
Instead of calling her names on FDL, why not post to her Facebook, to democratize the issue for those who consider and count opinions?
Jimbo, progressives make up but a minority in a majority rule democracy, and of that minority, the number of TV hosts within it is are extremely rare animals.
I’m talking about hosting a viable TV show, talking to millions in a diverse panoply of opinion, across a national spectrum. Actually getting in that seat and maintaining it, unlike an anonymous blogger on a soapbox. Having a real place at the table, actually mattering, moving the needle.
You are preaching to but a niche in the choir. You show passion and commitment, but in electoral politics, or even amassing a media following, you might not get far calling people buckets of manure. Even though we probably agree on a big %, that whole tract you wrote @ 91 was unconvincing because it didn’t include concrete examples of Maddow kowtowing to anyone.
I gave you actual examples, real instances of Maddow interacting with “Democrats” in positions of great power and either prodding them or softballing them. I made your case better than you did. So, what else can she do in her job.
Did you see her set-up to the Jeh Johnson interview, pushing him like no anchor has ever done before? Yes or no. FDL blogger Kevin Gosztola made a concise argument here saying she didn’t go far enough, but unlike her, he did so from the sidelines.
What do you think she should have said to Pelosi or Frank or Holbrook or Susan Rice (without burning a bridge, of course). Do you think she does a good job going up against George Will or Rich Lowry or Bill Frist on the Sunday shows?
Please, prove a case that she is this agent of the two-party sneak-takeover using backwards child-psychology to make us think it’s not propaganda, Show some real examples.
I see a smart progressive stuck working for a gigantic corporation and trying not to blow her gig, writing books that include rich historical context, and using her position to push people in the right direction almost every day. I see a scholar that wins arguments through research and convinces people on the other side to come over.
The guy above that admitted that nobody in media is doing an acceptable job makes an important point. If Maddow has set the left-most bar for cable, and it’s so low you cannot accept it, what’s your plan to improve this state of affairs?
… cogently stated Jimbo … thank you …
O/D apologists like playing 3 Monkeys politics when it comes to Obama and Ds. About what Maddow does as well? Could be. Who knew? Shocking? No? No.
Expect H.Clinton will get D zealots 3 Monkey politics and IOKIYAAD shielding should she go with a 2016 WH bid which seems a quite likely outcome.
H.Clinton ( ex Obama WH SoS ) is now in neck deep with Obama WH GWOT choices and conduct.
H.Clinton belongs in a jail cell like B.H.Obama does. ( cue the O/D zealots at this point denying and mocking that being placed in jail / any such outcome should take place ) This is some justice that will not be happening anytime soon — no — just make that not at anytime. Clinton and Obama and Bush/Cheney seeing to it that any such political / legal outcomes get scuttled. Peas in a pod politics done as only bent politicians know how to do. By the Ds and Not Ds both.
Imagine that…W.J.Clinton,G.W.Bush and B.H.Obama in jail … being held accountable …why not? Why the hell not?
Going with some way late Bush/Cheney WH show and tell now? A likely change the subject action sought by hidden hands. That MSNBC and Maddow would play ball doing so? Think so? Nahhh…
Maddow and Maddow’s MSNBC “news show” likely will get in line on a H.Clinton(DLC)(MIC)(AE) 2016 WH bid and it is not outlandish to suggest this Maddow Bush/Cheney “expose” may well be a “taste this” spike at equally likely 2016 Jeb Bush WH bid.
ObamaBush becoming ClintonBush attacking genuine Bush to keep Bush Dynasty at bay in 2016? Sham Wow!! It’s ‘Onion’ time!!
I didn’t think of it as calling he a name, just describing her insane call for bombing Iran. (Even “the evil
Senator Kerrey” doesn’t want that.)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/24/elizabeth-warren-iran-bob-kerrey_n_1449926.html
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/elizabeth-warrens-job-plan-war-with-iran.html
Looks like Markey’s way off to the Right too, by those votes and letters. A climate-science denier and he lies about Marijuana. But he’s got a pretty good reputation. He had no chance of winning if Scott Brown ran.
Warren’s my Senator now, so I will be contacting her at appropriate times. Thanks for the suggestion.
Dick Cheney + Halliburton + Barack Obama + money = war
Beautiful.
normanb, good links, your point is well said. I still believe Warren is more wishy washy than hawkish and that means her position might be malleable. So it’s up to the constituents – MA voters, contributors, volunteers – to really get vocal.
This page is a great page to share on her FB page (link above). Also, where is J Street on this? Petitions are good, calling the office is good.
Warren must realize she is weak on foreign policy, but if the people are not roaring over the media and get-along Dems, she will defer to the most convenient position because clearly, she has no idea what she is talking about. You win this one…
When do we get to send Cheney out of the country for extraordinary rendition?