I needn’t have worried. Since Inside Out was published, former President Bush and former Vice President Cheney have confessed to ordering waterboarding in their respective memoirs, with no repercussions, legal or otherwise. And now former Director Rodgriguez, in his own memoir, has himself confessed to ordering the destruction of the videotapes that were the basis for the plot of my novel. He understands — correctly, I’m sure — that he will face no more legal action or damage to his reputation than did the president or vice president. Such are the times we live in. After all, President Obama disavowed torture on his second day in office. No, this was not good news. It merely ratified the idea that torture, illegal by treaty and US law, is not in fact a crime, but rather merely a policy, which some presidents will permit and others prohibit, entirely at their discretion. And indeed, although Attorney General Eric Holder acknowledged during his confirmation hearings what everyone already knew — that waterboarding always has been and always will be torture — no one has since been charged or prosecuted for ordering it or carrying it out.
Is waterboarding torture? The Spanish Inquisition, the Nazi Gestapo, and the Khmer Rouge all used it. And previous US cases have all ruled that waterboarding is inarguably torture. And it’s hard to imagine that any American, Rodriguez included, would argue waterboarding isn’t torture if the tapes in question depicted Iranian or Chinese agents waterboarding captured American pilots. Just a dunk in the water? A little discomfort, no big deal, all’s fair?
But Rodriguez says waterboarding isn’t torture, at least when it’s Americans doing it, that it merely makes victims “uncomfortable.” He also says it’s vital for US national security that we continue to waterboard terror suspects. So: why not a torture Turing Test? If Rodriguez can continue to maintain that waterboarding isn’t torture even while being waterboarded, he would be infinitely more persuasive. I wonder why Rodriguez, and so many other apologists with so much on the line, refuse to make this extremely persuasive point? After all, they say waterboarding causes no permanent harm. It’s just a dunk in the water, a no brainer, merely uncomfortable, no big deal at all. Are these people not patriots? Why won’t they submit to an easy dunk and demonstrate powerfully and persuasively and once and for all for everyone to see that waterboarding isn’t torture, and thereby make a more powerful case that America should continue doing it? You know, like rightwing talk show host Mancow did.
It’s bad enough high government officials like Rodrigez get away with murder, sometimes literally. It becomes even more galling when they justify their self-interested destruction of evidence of their crimes by claiming the destruction was necessary to protect America. Remember the English lord in the film Braveheart, showing up with men-at-arms to rape the bride at a Scottish wedding, and describing the act as a way to “bless this marriage”?
I don’t know which bodes worse for the future of the republic. That officials like Rodriguez can claim such stunningly self-interested reasons for having destroyed the evidence of their crimes. Or that the public is credulous enough to believe them.



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What was the need for tracheotomy kits during water torture sessions if our fellow human beings were just “uncomfortable” ?
I watched ’60 Minutes’ and my stomach was in knots. Here was this monster championing ‘enhanced interrogations’, including waterboarding, with relish, to protect the ‘homeland’; a term I find extremely offensive and which conjures up images of nazi germany. And then there was leslie stahl, sharing some laughs with the monster although she tried to sound and look disturbed.
bush, cheney, et al, should have been prosecuted for war crimes but thanks to obama, they are now free to promote their books and brag and make money. And now obama has taken it a step further – he goes for death by drones. No torture for him, no waterboarding, just death!!! No matter that he kills women and children, it’s just collateral damage.
What disturbs me the most is the american people. There is no outcry, no real protests, NOTHING. This is not a country I want to live in.
Barry, what do you mean by Turing Test? The link goes to wikipedia, which describes a test of computer artificial intelligence — whether a person in a blind test can tell if he’s conversing with a computer or a person by the text answers he gets to his text questions. It’s true, I wonder about the humanity of our policy makers. I would think the gotcha questions would be ones about conscience, and I am sure our policymakers and their water carriers would fail.
Jane Mayer (2009 podcast transcript in comment #48) on the waterboarding of Abu Zubaydah: “For something that they have been touting all these years as being so effective, you would think it wouldn’t take 83 or 183 times, whatever, to make it work if it really worked so well.”
And in the comment above that, a different part of the podcast, Cliff May says the legal test is “shocks the conscience.” There’s your Turing test I guess — a legal test that is never applied.
Thanks for the comments, everyone. TVT, what I mean by the Turing Test reference is a simple, elegant test. If you can’t tell whether the machine engaging with you in an online conversation is human or a machine, we can judge the machine to be an artificial intelligence. If Jose Rodriguez, with all the countervailing motivation in the world, can’t maintain under waterboarding that waterboarding isn’t torture, it’s torture.
I’m pretty sure what the results of that test would be. So is Rodrigez. It’s why he won’t do it.
Hi Barry! You’re assuming Rodriguez is human and waterboarding him would prove it. I’m saying our policymakers are disconnected from humanity. I think it comes with the job. I think if those same people stepped outside their boxes and wore a person hat and not a goddy hat, it would be different. Maybe we’re saying the same thing.
As fucked up crazy as the senator who picked a blow-up doll for a running mate is…
he still uttered words of truth when he said this is about US, not them.
We are better than this. We live by laws. (or at least we’re supposed to)
One more point to add to your excellent article:
As you note, President Obama has ratified the use of torture as an option for future Presidents. And he has refused to investigate the Bush/Cheney Administration for acts of torture, even though both Bush and Cheney have freely boasted of those acts in their memoirs.
The Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution requires that all ratified treaties be treated as “the supreme law of the land”.
The UN Convention Against Torture (which the US has ratified) requires that all credible allegations of torture be thoroughly investigated and the perpetrators prosecuted appropriately.
By refusing to investigate or prosecute acts of torture, President Obama has violated his oath of office to uphold the Constitution. Nonetheless, not one Congressperson has moved to impeach him.
It is clear that the rule of law and the Constitution no longer apply to the political and financial elite in America. Q.E.D.
> As you note, President Obama has ratified the use of torture
> as an option for future Presidents
There is no reason to believe that the use of torture by the current president has stopped.
Every day there are lots of stories of Torture in the US: When a person is beaten by police, that is Torture. When a person is Teargassed of Tazered, that is Torture plain and simple.
President Obama’s policy has been to Cover Up Torture.
No arrest for Bush, Cheney, any of that gang. No arrest for Obama himself, who after all [as revealed by WikiLeaks] sent his victims to be Tortured by the evil Suleiman in Egypt, before Suleiman’s own people finally revolted and held the Arab Spring [later crushed by Obama with his War/Genocide against Libya].
No Torture arrest for any of the cops Gassing and Tazing people.
No prosecution of Eric Holder or any of the state Attorneys General or local prosecutors, who are letting the Torturers go free.
The Buck Stops Here: The President supports Torture. That is why we have it.
And instead of these prosecutions, we have Show Trials of Guantanamo defendants, the evidence of whose alleged crimes comes only from Torture.
We have Bradley Manning. The UN sent a special investigator to check out his Torture, and Obama refused to allow it, and sent Manning to the country’s interior.
Chris Floyd: “Perverts in Power – The Torture-Lovers Who Rule Us.”
Not only did Obama decide not to prosecute, the USG interfered and plotted with the Spanish Embassy and the prosecutor to stop Judge Baltasar Garzon from conducting an investigation into, or prosecution of Bush Administration officials for Torture and rendition of Spanish Citizens.
Garzon has been prosecuted for his investigations, and his career has been ended for 11 years.
2009 1 Apr Spain: Prosecutor Weighs Gtmo Criminal Case Vs. Former Usg Officials — Embassy Madrid (09MADRID347)
2009, Apr 17 Spain: Attorney General Recommends Court Not Pursue Gtmo Criminal Case Vs. Former Usg Officials — Embassy Madrid (09MADRID392)
2009 May 5 Spain: Garzon Opens Second Investigation Into Alleged U.s. Torture Of Terrorism Detainees — Embassy Madrid (09MADRID440)
http://www.cablegatesearch.net/search.php?q=garzon&qo=1536&qc=0&qto=2010-02-28