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Cross-posted at Bin Quick
In the style we’ve become accustomed to, “Barack Obama Wades Into Gun Control Debate, Two Months After Tucson, Arizona Shootings” (Sam Stein). It’s like Obama wants to check the box on every issue without sacrificing any political capital. The record is clear – Great speech (check), solid policy statement (check), no political capital expended (check). Likewise with the Wisconsin protest, if we were to look at the record, Obama made statements supporting the Unions (check), no political capital expended (check). The following quote is quintessential Obama:
“I know that everytime we try to talk about guns, it can reinforce stark divides. People shout at one another, which makes it impossible to listen. We mire ourselves in stalemate, which makes it impossible to get to where we need to go as a country,” Obama wrote. “However, I believe that if common sense prevails, we can get beyond wedge issues and stale political debates to find a sensible, intelligent way to make the United States of America a safer, stronger place.” (check)
This is the most obviously poll test policy statement ever released from any White House. All presidents play politics but good presidents rely on a set of core values. Obama’s core has a picture of Neville Chamberlain. Obama’s response to Libya, Wisconsin and Arizona isn’t nearly good enough. The President is America’s Quarterback, he doesn’t get to quietly check a box. He has to lead, sacrifice political capital, and take the heat even if a natural disaster causes the wide receiver to fumble on the one yard line.
As I thought about the Obama presidency and Obama apologist (MSNBC’s Chuck Todd) that defend Obama as a mediator, I remembered this incredible scene from “Any Given Sunday.” Like Willie Beamen, Obama doesn’t understand why he has lost his team nor will Obama change because it’s gotten him fame and fortune. I thought by now someone in the White House would speak truth to power and tell Obama he’s not the President of the Harvard Law Review, a US Senator or a Community Organizer; he’s the President of the United States, the Quarterback. Obama should watch this video, and I hope he learns why he needs to sacrifice political capital for the Democratic Party, the American middle class and the Progressive team.
With headlines like “Obama is AWOL on Religious Liberty” by Ken Blackwell, “Obama’s ‘Where’s Waldo’ Presidency” by Ruth Marcus, “Rubio: Obama MIA on Budget Debate” by Dan Weil, it’s surprising that there aren’t more headlines like “Obama Team Look For New Ways To Fire Up President’s Base” by Charles Babington.
Obama acknowledged the challenge last week in Boston. “Somebody asked me, how do we reinvigorate the population, the voter, after two very tough years?” he told Democratic donors. “How do we recapture that magic that got so many young people involved for the very first time in 2008?” One answer, the president said, is to persuade hardcore liberals to swallow their anger over political compromises the administration reached with Republicans, even when Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress.
I love this answer, Obama plans to convince hardcore Democrats to abandon their principles to re-elect his sorry Corporate Ass so he can abandon hardcore Democrats. I have an idea, try “buck up”, it worked so well for the 2010 midterms. If Obama wants to energize hardcore Liberals, Progressives, and Democrats, all he needs to do is repeat this, “I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your president.” Otherwise, my answer to Mr. Obama is FUCK YOU!
Obama’s Democratic Party support is a mile wide and nanometer deep, and the White House knows it. If Russ Feingold announces his candidacy for the nomination and gives the slightest hint he’s willing to get tough on Free Trade, Obama’s chances are cooked. Donald Trump could be described as “A noun, a verb, and China” but he polls within 2 points of Barack Obama. Any smart Republican could run away with the Electoral College just by pretending to care about Free Trade and/or Organized Labor.
Obama doesn’t understand that he lost hardcore liberals with his compromises. Liberals and Progressives won’t support Obama2012 because we are terrified of his next round of capitulations. I’m sure some “Democrats” will surrender their principles for a perceived “victory” but I believe a second Obama term would be worse than a Palin presidency. I will donate, work for and do everything legally possible to send this sorry “Corporate Whore” back to Chicago as soon as possible. Here is another video Barack Obama should watch:
“You lead Nigga, but did anybody follow?” – Any Given Sunday
Like Obama, I have a checklist also, Contribute to AnybodyButObama (check); Campaign for AnybodyButObama (check); Vote for AnybodyButObama (check); Send Obama back to Chicago; Hawaii, Indonesia, or Kenya (check); Restore the Democratic Party or build a new political party ( ? ).
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If 15 to 20% of the Progressives registered in the Green Party, the rest would follow. That’s very easy to do. It costs nothing it takes 10 minutes.
And if i hear Obama say “LET ME BE CLEAR””followed by whatever the issue of the day is, ever again, i believe i will explode and become particulate matter and float far far away . I really believe i will.
Absolutely voting Green if at all possible in this state. If not I will be writing in a name of my choosing.
There was a time I could listen to Obama2008 campaign speeches even though I knew every word, now I can’t stand to hear his voice. All I see in Obama is a gigantic missed opportunity to CHANGE America’s direction. Now, we have to wait at least another 6 years.
We need to start the American Labor Party based on collective bargaining, anti-Free Trade, and tax fairness.
I don’t know if we will have to wait another 6 years. It looks bleak now but it feels, i don’t know.. like something has broken loose with the blind cruel arrogance being shown by the Dem/rep party, ( i see it as one party now)
I am in a very conservative spot geographically, but i hear a lot more outrage from so called conservatives than even a few months ago, about what the republicans are doing.They seem to be looking for a third party too, and it ain’t the teaparty.
I don’t think the Democratic Party can be saved at this point. To make matters worse, we’ve seen in places like europe and australia that even green parties and left parties are coopted as they become more powerful. The phenomenon of ‘change’ that turns out to be more of the same, but perhaps worse, is nearly universal now. Look at Japan, where a new party was elected with a mandate to stand up to America, only the new party kowtowed even more. So we need to recognize that electoral politics is only the tip of the iceberg of political struggle.
Great post and you’re right: given how often Obama thru us under hte bus in his FIRST FREAKIN’ TERM, imagine what he would do in a second? When he knows he doesn’t stand for re-election?
“… we are terrified of his next round of capitulations …”
Exactly. Were the republicans to take the WH and dems retain one house of Congress, we might see some fight out of them. They seem to do so much better as an opposition party.
The Greens in the U.S. have come to support labor and labor unions, recognizing that what destroys the environment also destroys labor — pollution from fracking, destruction from leveling mountains, the poisoning of our water, and the contamination of our meat all contribute to a sicker and less productive workforce, which then becomes even more vulnerable both economically and politically.
Bear in mind that such political parties are so easily corrupted because the movements behind them allow themselves to be controlled by the party system, rather than controlling it. If you read David Sirota’s “A Party is Not a Movement” (which you can look up on Google), you’ll see that the difference couldn’t be more important to taking back our political system. Look at the Republican Party and its base. Who do you think tells whom what to do? Does the base tell the GOP what to do, or is it the other way around? If you look at things from a wider perspective, it’s the base (the Limbaughs and the Koches and the Becks) that tells the Republicans what they should be doing, and the Republicans obey.
The key is to ensure that the left-wing movement controls the political party or parties it uses to promote its agenda. Right now we are controlled by political parties. We can reverse this trend, but only if we are willing to do what it takes.
Even if there is no other candidate running I will write in another name…
You would be correct in your analysis, sir.
My problem with the Green party is that it doesn’t seem to be serious about winning office in my state (CA). I vote in every election, including special ones. Always have, always will. This makes me what the political pros call a “high propensity voter”. But I have never received a knock on the door from anyone canvassing for a Green party candidate, nor have I received a phone call or a flyer from a Green party candidate.
Conclusion: The party is largely a playtoy for dilettantes, not a serious enterprise aimed at gaining and wielding power. And the name itself is anathema to many people who immediately equate it with tree-hugging DFH’s who don’t give a shit about jobs, tax fairness, religion, or any of the other values held by so many so-called “centrist” or independent voters. (Not that I’m big on religion.)
I keep saying: take over the existing remaining apparatus of the old Perot Reform Party and remold it as a vehicle to threaten, eventually topple, the two-party system. It’s got the perfect name for the task and the times.
Taking over the Perot Reform party- That is a great idea. I have not read it before and I apologize to you for that.
Where does it exist now? I will google.
I wonder if 2012 is going to be a nationalized version of Joe Lieberman’s 2008 run, in that the GOP kept quiet and let Joe win at the expense of their candidate.
They get everything they want from Obama, with the added plus that now their base can nominate anyone they want, watch him crash and burn, finally discredit the teabaggers, and then shove them into a subordinate position. Fox is pushing Huckabee, and I’m sure they’re telling him to play the game, give it the old college try, and you’ll be (richly) rewarded in the end. Barry gives them the ‘liberal’ cover they need to make us all share the “sacrifice.”
If the GOP was really wanted to win, they’d nominate John Huntsman, the closet thing to a human being they have. He’s the ultimate outsider now, after Barry sent him to China to remove him from contention. And he ‘knows’ the enemy-China!
http://www.newsweek.com/2011/01/04/the-manchurian-candidate.html
digby has mentioned the upcoming campaign could cost a billion dollars. A serious one could, so why would they bother when all they have to do is yell “Boo!” and Barry does their bidding.
Barry’s numbers are good, but not spectacular, considering his opposition. If the GOP was really serious, they’d be preparing for a 1992 opportunity, as GHWB was far more paper than tiger.
Instead they’re more Cheshire Cat than predator.
My feeling is the GOP candidates are counting on a brokered convention and a Nixonian “Bring Us Together” moment, and the big money is content to watch it play out, whether win, lose, or draw.
“Well! I’ve often seen a cat without a grin,” thought Alice; “but a grin without a cat! It’s the most curious thing I ever saw in all my life!” (Lewis Carroll, “Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland”, 58)
“All presidents play politics but good presidents rely on a set of core values. Obama’s core has a picture of Neville Chamberlain. Obama’s response to Libya, Wisconsin and Arizona isn’t nearly good enough. The President is America’s Quarterback, he doesn’t get to quietly check a box. He has to lead, sacrifice political capital, and take the heat even if a natural disaster causes the wide receiver to fumble on the one yard line.”
Well put!
The problem is that Obama is NOT a quarterback. He’s the guy who hands out water to the players (Republicans).
“Obama’s core has a picture of Neville Chamberlain?” I am certain that Obama’s core has a full color picture of Barack Obama. Barack Obama is president and you’re not. It’s the one change you can believe in and explains everything else. There is no set of core values underneath.
Think. Throughout his entire career, is there an issue other than the advancement of Obama for which Obama has sacrificed an ounce of political capital? Ever?
Yes, just what we need, a tea party for democrats as well. I’m sure it will be equally successful. Perhaps we can hand over a few more senate seats to the R’s. After all, the greens essentially gave GWB the presidency over Gore, and they’re almost the same…
On a more serious note…I get your anger over Wisconsin. You don’t say what ‘Arizona’ action you’re referring to, so I’m not sure where to comment. As far as Libya goes, what exactly are you upset about. That he is using the military or that he didn’t use it quickly enough?
On the other hand, the First Family seems to be enjoying themselves in Brazil.
His second term is when he will spend his political capital. It won’t be on us.
For my entire life until March of 2009 I agreed with you. I still think I was correct to takepprogressives to task for choosing Nader over Gore. (Gore expended plenty of political capital on improving the environment.)
But no more. The Republicans were more effective with 41 united senators than the Democrats with 59. I have come to the conclusion that social security, civil liberties and other issues important to me are more endangered in a 2nd Obama term than with a Republican. Democrats protected social security far better under Bush than they will under Obama. If we have to lose a few people with “D” after their names to get the others to listen, it’s a price I’m now willing to pay. Republican policies labelled as Progressive failures are about as bad as it gets.
Intended the above reply to link to drmyk. Still struggling with nested responses. Sorry.
In fairness to Obama, his entire effing candidacy was based on nothing more than loft rhetoric. He hadn’t done anything before running for president to suggest that he would be able to do anything as president. So maybe he figures that flowery rhetoric is all the American people want.
Glenn Greenwald has written about this same issue. He more or less stated that if elected, Obama will declare, that because he was elected again, people must like how he governs and he has a mandate. Shrub did the same thing second time around. Trouble is, as you infer, during his second term we will get dumped on with no conscience whatsoever. Canada has a three party system, actually a four party system but one party is a french separatist group ( go figure ). The third party, the NDP ( New Democrat Party ), keeps the other two major parties, much like the Repug and Dem parties in the U.S., in check. The NDP is basically a socialist party ( no, not commie ). You could call them a progressive party. The U.S. needs a third party but don’t call it green if you want to pull in marginal conservatives looking for an alternative from the insanity. Green has that “hippie” and extreme air to it.
A very fine rant. Well done and right on point.
I believe that’s exactly why Obama was put in office……to miss the opportunity for change.
Most people still keep excusing him because of the fake “D” behind his name and that they think he’s trying but the mean republicans won’t let him do anything, even tho, as you said, he had super majorities in both houses. If he’d been a leader, he could have gotten everything he wanted.
the creepy part is thinking that he HAS gotten everything he and his masters wanted
So true. In “fairness” to the people, though, we kinda worked ourselves up into our own lather of fantasy. Obama was a stealth candidate, alright – it’s just that some of us fools thought he was coming in on the people’s side.
Agreed. I think we will be horrified at what this man does if he gets another 4 years
Instead of a quarterback like Joe Montana I think of Bogus barry as the 1919 Chicago White Sox first baseman Chick Gandil, who threw the World Series for lucre.
The conspiracy was the brainchild of White Sox first baseman Arnold “Chick” Gandil.
It was called the Black Sox scandal for destroying the integrtity of the game. Sound familiar?
Haven’t read comments yet, so ignore me if this was covered.
To what extent has Green Party been coopted by corp donations, just enuf to keep them alive without doing anything?
I remember checking out their website (and Sierra Club with ditto problem) early on the Gulf disaster, and there was NOTHING on the front page for over a week when I stopped checking.
Yes, you can count on being crapped on and laughed at if you allow Obama to get another term. Ergo, you need a third party and a viable leader which of course causes Dems to go into fits of indecision and paralysis, which causes leadership potential to shy away from leading a bunch of quarreling ninnies. If you can’t even recruit a leader your screwed. Then there is the JFK syndrome.
BTW, O fancies himself a transformative prez. Lots of discussion of this on today’s book salon, opinions ranging from laughable to hysterical.
I was lurking & thinking.
My new hypothesis. O believes he’s transformative bc he’s black. He doesn’t actually need to do anything, just be black. And that’s what his corp vetters & backers have prolly told him over the years. And he’s such a narcissist, it doesn’t take much to convince him that he’s a giant in his own mind.
Which is why he becomes so peevish when crossed. It jars with his own mental images of himself and with what his knob polishers have been telling him.
“Black” Sox sounds like a metaphor to me.
Butt he Didn’t LEAD! Build a new political party (CHECK! Where do I send it?)
And you are a bunch of whiny goddammed brats who didn’t get EVERYthing JUST how they wanted. If the Republicans get back in with the pathetic crop they’ve got YOU people will have NO one but yourselves to blame.
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Obama’s team seemed to waffle in reaction to daily events during the Egypt uprising, settling on Slow Ouster & a spy boss that could only alienate the movement, and likely leave Obama on the wrong side of history. The acceptance of Suleiman was never a possibility for protesters, making Obama for them, yet another line-toeing U.S. president who doesn’t get it.
As eloquent as he was after Mubarak fell, it very much appears the Obama team got lucky – obviating the fact they’d put their chips on Suleiman. The high talk about civil & human rights, will at some point need to be matched by a White House willing to break ranks with dictators whom may serve some strategic end, but whom simultaneously run roughshod over those values at home. That in my view must be the change which Washington undergoes, if it is ever to garner real credibility in the region.
You’d think Obama, would be the one president to know that…
– Balkingpoints / www
Bill Daley, is that you?
Great post Bin, recommended.
There is no way in hell I could vote for Obama. Ditto for the Dem Party machine that stands behind him as he consistently betrays the poor and middle class. I vote based on my principles, I don’t give a damn if the name on the ballot has a “D” it.
I’m supporting third-party all the way. If a Repub wins, what’s the difference? If nothing else, the Dems pretend to be opposed to corporatist, neocon crap when it comes from the Repubs, so in that respect we’d actually be better off.
Bring the 3rd party candidate to the ballot, and I’ll vote such.
Meanwhile, I’m sticking with the local ground game.
“Obama’s team seemed to waffle in reaction to daily events” Your comment could have ended there & been just as cogent.
The guy’s a fraud and no I didn’t vote for no damn fraud.
You down w/ Bogus barry’s torture and drone attacks. There was zero indication the guy was suffering from megalomania.
Then there is the U.S. backed leadership in Afghanistan and Iraq, not to mention Yemen.
For future ref, chupkar seems to be a hit ‘n run Obamabot.
Another cultist in a twist because dear leader looks unfavorable when compared to the Repub dregs.
Right on, how true, peevish and vindictive. I also get a kick out of watching clips of him around Putin, dead give-away spineless.
Well, I suppose the upside is that O is actually smart enuf to send out spammers to defend himself on leftie websites.
I wouldn’t have given O that much credit.
OTOH, chupkar seems pretty lame by standards of wingnuts who have shown up recently. Who are already lame enough themselves.
Mark my words, Bin: by mid-2012, if not sooner, the american voting public is going to be so disgusted with Barack Obama that allowing him to run again will be the political equivalent of the democratic party going to it’s knees; pulling out a Japanese short sword, and disembowelling itself.
eCAHN; it sounds like an irate PUMA, to me.
Everytime someone goes off on a rant about “I,!!!, MOI,!!!, knew perfectly well that Barack Obama would sell out the democrats…
The required response should be:
“Okay. With that laser-like perception, who did YOU support?”
And we can take it from there. :o)
tjbs, on this, I’m with you. :o)
“I betrayed you at every turn, but you just gotta swallow your anger and vote for me”. It’s unbelievable that this is his electoral strategy. I’m not sure he would even prevail against Palin with that, and even less sure that that would be desirable.
At least Palin would pursue a hard-right corporatist agenda without the double insult of that masquerading as “liberalism” and giving progressives a bad name.
You mean, in his heart of hearts that Obama secretly desires success for the Democrats and for the middle class? How is that not also apologia?
The Dems are not the answer. The Dems and the middle class? You mean, there is a unity of purpose/desires? Maybe there should be, but let’s not confuse apples and oranges here. If the Dems were the flipping answer, then you’d hear the congressional Dems challenging Obama at almost every step, including appointments to cabinet and judiciary.
I wish success for the middle class, but to hell with the Democrat Party. Jesus – F$$K them and the horse they rode in on.
Well, Knoxville, you’ve kinda put your finger on it. I think he just didn’t understand that he was raising his hand to come into an either/or situation.
Either he went to the mat harrrd, against the assholes, or they would take advantage of every micron of slack that he cut them (and there were miles and miles of it…) or he would go down in history as the poster boy for a failed president.
And I believe that that’s what’s happening, as we post.
“Digby has mentioned the upcoming campaign could cost a billion dollars…”
Well, I think a lot of that is going to have to come from somewhere else beside progressive voters. At this point, I wouldn’t walk out and pee on him if he was out in my driveway on fire.
As for Digby, every time Obama craps on us, she jumps out with another thread about what really disgusting lip-gloss Sarah Palin uses. She does so much herring-dragging for Obama, it smells like a fish market over there.
I prefer to phrase it as “… and the jackass they rode in on,” myself. More evocative.
Yes. I look forward to what president Palin will do to the country. Or our robot overlords, whichever comes first.
Although, both are more likely than the fantasy of a viable 3rd party candidate.
Went grocery shopping last week, Ramen noodles are up to $.33 a pack, insane. All I could think of on the way home, is Obama is done.
Obama was elected with the mandate to not be Bush.
I mean, seriously, how can you screw that up?
Obama is reminiscent of Cade McKnown, who played for Obama’s home team in Chicago.
Cade was drafted in the first round (#12 overall), and started most of his 2nd season in 2000. He went 1-7 as a starter. He also had a cocky attitude (actually blaming his wide receivers for not working hard enough to catch his passes), and the rest of the team hated playing with him so much that they were threatening to stay off the field if McKnown kept playing. Coach Dick Jauron heeded the rest of the team and benched Cade. He was traded the following year for several draft picks.
Upon leaving, Cade didn’t say anything to anyone. He just left with a distant, smug attitude that the Bears weren’t up to his brilliance.
Cade played with a few teams in the NFL, but eventually faded away and never achieved any great success in the NFL. Obama might be headed on the same path, but he doesn’t know it.
Obama’s a miracle worker! He also resurrected the GOP.
“As for Digby, every time Obama craps on us, she jumps out with another thread about what really disgusting lip-gloss Sarah Palin uses. She does so much herring-dragging for Obama, it smells like a fish market over there.”
Funny! And — sadly — true.
Ah, yes, good ol’ Cade. Went to UCLA where he got busted (along with several other football players) for using counterfeit “Disabled” parking stickers to park in disabled spaces on and around campus.
Swell guy.
“How do we recapture that magic that got so many young people involved for the very first time in 2008?” One answer, the president said, is to persuade hardcore liberals to swallow their anger over political compromises the administration reached with Republicans, even when Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress.”
Well good luck with that strategy, pal. Read the following from MY political hero, Robert F. Kennedy, and learn something:
“The cruelties and the obstacles of this swiftly changing planet will not yield to obsolete dogmas and outworn slogans. It cannot be moved by those who cling to a present which is already dying, who prefer the illusion of security to the excitement and danger which comes with even the most peaceful progress. This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind, a temper of the will, a quality of the imagination, a predominance of courage over timidity, of the appetite for adventure over the love of ease.”
“Few men are willing to brave the disapproval of their fellows, the censure of their colleagues, the wrath of their society. Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it is the one essential, vital quality of those who seek to change a world which yields most painfully to change.”
There you have it, Mr. President. Now dump your cowardly love of the status quo and dare to have a vision for a better America.
“I will donate, work for and do everything legally possible to send this sorry “Corporate Whore” back to Chicago as soon as possible.”
I’ll have what you’re having.
He also parked in handicapped spaces at Halas Hall, where the Bears practice.
This is a Declaration of War by Bin Quick.
Obama’s only political card is the horrible truth of ‘vote for me! The other guy is worse.’
Can we win an election with a Progressive 3rd Party Candidate and 42% of the vote? Or can we primary Obama with a Progressive candidate who can also take the middle?
Gawd I hope so.
Elizabeth Warren in 2012
nuff said
solidarity & peace
Rick@AveryVoice.com
At the Gridiron Dinner last week, didn’t Obama say he “skimmed the comments section at Huffpo, Daily Kos and Fire Doglake”? He’d better get that new army unit of multi-identity “Obama rocks!” blog-posting web-warriors into the cyber spinsphere stat.
LOL
Where were some of you when this guy was running for office. What he said was never the same as what he did; and now some of you are surprised that he want’s be all things to all people, without ever taking a true stance on any issue? Wasn’t he the same man who told everyone during the election that people like to “project” their hopes and dreams onto him? Well, I wanted a leader who I could agree with and maybe not always agree with, but a leader who woud take a stance on an issue, explain their reasoning for the stance they have taken, and fight to the end to cultivate support for that stance through “roll up their sleeve, long hours, f_ck March Madness I have more important things to do!!
Quit picking people who have never held a political post before. Pick someone with actual experience. Elizabeth Warren has not been in the spotlight nor has she any true management, political experience. I want someone who knows the in’s and out’s of the players in politics (foreign and domestic). I want leadership and someone with a proven track record of governance.
Why does everyone want a Skittles Rainbow and a Unicorn instead of an FDR candidate?
Hillary 2012!
Because it should have been Hillary in 2008!
I totally agree with you about the Democratic Party. They are almost as useless a Obama, but there is a party structure we can’t deny. If astro-turf TeaBags can push the GOP bat-shit Right, hardcore Progressives should be able to push the Democrats back to the Center-Left and forever eliminate Bill Clinton/Obama Democrats from Democratic Party leadership. We must send Washington Democrats a message. No more Bill Clinton/Obama Democrats. FDR changed the Democratic Party for 70 years, it can be done again.
I’m unclear who you agree with before March 2009, but I agree with you. I had a similar epiphany, we are better off w/ Romney/Palin betraying Republicans than Obama surrendering social security.
Elizabeth Warren should be head of the SEC.
Paul Krugman should have been head of Treasury and maybe we would have gotten a Keynesian-style stimulus.
Just because someone is good in one-specific (Micro) area does not mean that translates into the Macro.
We need experts in specific fields….
With Bush and Obama: They are not quarterbacks. They are cheerleaders! (for their corporate backers!)
As much as I want to win in 2012, it’s more important to send the correct message, Progressives will not accept Clinton/Obama presidencies regardless of the consequences. I’ll vote for Palin before I vote for another worthless Corporate Whore like Obama. America needs two legitimate “faction” whether we call them Democrats, Whigs, Communist, or Republicans. We only have one “faction” now, Republicrats. This is not a declaration of war, the war has been raging for 30 years, I’m just suggesting Progressives fire George McClellan and find a U.S. Grant
We all experience personal growth at different rates. Progressives needed to experience winning an election and surrendering their principles(Obama) to realize that Obama-crats are just as evil as Bush/Palin TeaBags. I prefer a Republican fighting against me over a “Democrat” stabbing me in the back.
The problem is that Obama fancies himself as the quarterback for the corporate, monied elite, and none of his double talk rhetoric can hide that.
I and tens of millions of other Americans got conned by Obama. At least I admit it. It’s the first step on the road to recovery.
Thank you for a most excellent and righteous rant. Now we can add Libya to your list of checklists. This time, Obama got outmaneuvered by the Russians and Chinese. He said he didn’t want military action against Libya, but didn’t have the balls to really stay out. Instead, he counted on Russia or China to veto the security council resolution for a no-fly zone. Then he could blame them for the ensuing slaughter, or at best cheer on the French when they unilaterally intervened.
Nope. Why should the Russians or Chinese care if Obama lets America stumble into yet another endless and expensive war in the Muslim world? Putin’s laughing into his vodka. And Obama’s corporate masters in the oil business are slavering over the chance to get their paws on Libyan oil.
No, I am no fan of the wackjob who has run Libya since 1969. But Obama isn’t intervening in Libya for the sake of the Libyan people. He’s intervening for the sake of BP and Exxon-Mobil. The no-fly zone is just the first phase.
I called the Green Party before the 2010 and my impression was the same as yours – “they are not serious about winning office”.
Your Perot Reform Party is an interesting idea. After going to their website, I think this is a great possibility.
“How do we recapture that magic that got so many young people involved for the very first time in 2008?”
he forgot to complete this thought by including the truthful words
“without actually doing anything whatsoever to help them”
Then at least, he would be honest
as I have seen many others post here, I turn off the sound on the radio, when I hear this guy speaking. If it’s tv, I change the channel.
” intervening for the sake of BP ”
pretty sure BP already had contracts with Libya.
Look, the possibility of hardcore Democratic agenda is zero. The game is rigged. Each and every time, they tell us, ” be realistic we need the independents”. So, we capitulate and to attract the Independents they take money from the corporations. They win, we are outside and the big boy corporatists are inside getting their money’s worth.
Rinse repeat. The problem is that our system is broken to the core. We are stuck unless we change to a Parliamentary system and get rid of the Senate. Now what are the chances of that? Probably as great as getting third parties.
I second that FUCK YOU Mr. Obama and if you run again I’ll raise it to I’ll vote against you for whatever batshit assclown is running.
Better to have the heat in the pot of boiling water turned up fast, than the slow death boil of Obama and the corpro-crats. Maybe, just maybe, the frogs will jump out, like in Wisconsin!!!
I agree 100%!! Better the wolf outside the door than the cancer within, eating you alive.
I love the frog analogy, dead on point. We are in a 30 year Reagan-Clinton-Bush-Obama crock pot, slow heat is the worst. Check out http://my.firedoglake.com/binquick/2011/03/10/leadership-gop-v-dem/
Feel free to add his shop-worn “The time for _________ is over.” as well.
“Republican policies labelled as Progressive failures are about as bad as it gets.”
Succinctly put.
Chupkar, you sound like a prototypical Obamabot or Democratist, as in someone who is a Democratic Party cheerleader and comes on to websites to root for your “team,” whatever that means.
Welcome. Now the introductions are over. Now piss off. I am sick and tired of the “you didn’t get your pony” or “you didn’t get EVERYTHING you wanted” Democratic Party line meme. The “Obama HAD to compromise to get just a few crumbs” from the Republicans theme.
No, he did not have to compromise. He compromised, in fact, he completely sold out, before debate even began, on issue and principle after issue and principle.
By Benito Mussolini’s definition, Obama is a Fascist. Pure and simple. Don’t know what I mean by that? Google is your friend.
True. And they want to keep them.
Back then (FDR) there were actual communists/socialists running around. In order to pull the Dems leftward to the “middle,” there needs to be an actual left wing in this country – the new Wobblies, or Eugene Debs, etc.
As it stands, the Dems can pretty much continue ignoring their “base” – where else are those f*ing retards going to go?
I’m not voting Democratic anymore, and I encourage everyone else to stop voting for them. Hell, if voting was effective, it’d be illegal. (I’ve voted Dem in every election between 1988 and 2008).
That’s definitely a problem. I’d actually rather have the Progressive Party in my state, but the Greens are the biggest left-wing political party in Ohio.
And you still think wrong if you think you were right to blame people who voted their beliefs for a stolen election that was taken from us by someone else entirely.
But at least you’re coming to realize the truth of the situation.
Rosenbaum, is that you? I was wondering what handle you’ve been hiding under.
Agreed! That’s why we must let him lose regardless of the consequences.