On February 9, Magnifico wrote an eye-popping diary on dailyKos, USA was 3 hrs away from Economic, Political Collapse in September 2008 . That diary was on dKos’s Recommended Diaries list, and attracted more than 1000 comments. The diary was based on a video of Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D) (PA-11) of his Jan. 27 appearance on C-SPAN’s morning Washington Journal program. Magnifico provides a partial transcript, that described a supercharged run on Money Market accounts on September 18. The same video was a centerpiece of Keith Olberman’s Tuesday show this week, and has been written about elsewhere (e.g. here).
The basic facts are not in dispute. From Magnifico’s transcript:
On Thursday, at about 11 o’clock in the morning, the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous drawdown of money market accounts in the United States to a tune of $550 billion being drawn out in a matter of an hour or two.
The Treasury opened up its window to help. They pumped $105 billion into the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide. We were having an electronic run on the banks.
They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts, and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn’t be further panic and there. And that’s what actually happened.
Next comes Kanjorski’s interpretation:
If they had not done that their estimation was that by two o’clock that afternoon, $5.5 trillion would have been drawn out of the money market system of the United States, would have collapsed the entire economy of the United States, and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed.
Now we talked at that time about what would have happened if that happened. It would have been the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it.
Kanjorski is a member of a House Capital Markets, Insurance and Government-Sponsored Enterprises Subcommittee. He’s been trying to talk this up since a Sept. 24 House committee hearing, but "almost no one noticed except for the New York Post and The Wall Street Journal," wrote Borys Krawczeniuk of the Scranton Times-Tribune.
Magnifico quotes additional details provided by TMFSinchiruna in a blog post at The Motley Fool:
Fools who read my blogs regularly know I have been fascinated by what may have been included within the dire warnings issued to members of Congress by Paulson and Bernanke behind closed doors on Thursday, September 18, 2008…
Representative Sherman later revealed that members were warned that Martial Law would result if the $700 bailout plan was not passed, and Iguadland10 posted another video ascribing that particular warning to Paulson.
The New York Times quoted Senator Dodd as jumping in when Charles Schumer described the meeting as ‘somber’: “Somber doesn’t begin to justify the words,” he said. “We have never heard language like this.”
Please follow the links and read the details.
"…the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it"? Martial law? Isn’t this the kind of thing Naomi Klein warned us about in the Shock Doctrine?
Well, I think this incident needs further investigation. And one of my questions is this: Who was behind the $550 billion being drawn out of money market accounts in a matter of an hour or two? Kanjorski described it as an “electronic bank run,” but I wonder. I’d like to see records of just how it started, and by who. Money market funds are usually not subject to runs– who would be looking for MM collapse?
Furthermore, who was it in the Federal Reserve who decided to shut down the withdrawals and upped the maximum insured amount for bank accounts to $250,000? Paulson and Bernanke? Whoever it was, his/her/their quick action may have foiled the financial shock plot, if there was one. Or did Paulson & Bernanke merely use the incident to extort $700 Billion from Congress?
This incident needs a lot more investigation, IMHO.
Bob in HI



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it does – thank you for bringing this to our attention
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excellent summation, bob! Thank you for posting this.
Dugg and recommended.
Indeed. I’m convinced that most of our financial problems have been orchestrated by the movement of huge blocks of money. The energy bubble and the real estate bubble both are largely due to the massive investment of funds in speculative vehicles tied only loosely to actual oil or actual real estate. Each time these huge piles of money move, the entire market system comes close to collapsing.
The problem is that these funds are moving around only in vehicles that don’t do anything to help the economy. The economy would be back on its feet and functioning very well indeed if this money were poured back into the “working” part of the economy and invested in new businesses, infrastructure construction and similar jobs-producing ventures. Follow that block of money and I believe you’ll find a very small group of very rich people with very bad motives.
DIGG was open when I got there. Recommended.
Good article Bob. Let’s keep this on the front burner.
I’ll just wait for the inevitable white-washing and designation of any who question it “conspiracy theorists”.
and me.
even made a quick youtube from the committee webstream in a vain effort to spread the word and generate some interest here.
also tried to find some documentation. found this report from the republicans on the jec (pdf) which hugh included in item 87 of his list. here is some of the report:
there’s more in the report for anyone who is interested – but i wouldn’t take it at face value unless we can find independent confirmation.
i’ve wanted to know more about what happened since that sept hearing, but don’t know how to do more than speculate. and even if we’re given more info, i think it will be difficult to find independent verification.
selise, your research is worthy of a PHD in economics!
I went to your timeline yesterday; had not seen it before. It is so complete – surely there are clues there as to the (insiders ?) who started the money market pull-out. Logically it would be those in the know about Lehman Bros. tanking financial state.
Could the Senate and House Banking Committees subpoena those records to learn who the holders were who pulled out en-mass on the same day? They should have done so before passing the bill for the TARP.
I answered you yesterday over at Christy’s blue pool, # 132 & 133.
Thanks so much for all your excellent work.
LOL! that time line is woefully incomplete, i hope to add to it as time, energy and interest permit. but at least it does have some info and lots of links, which i hope are of help.
i’m still in grade school on this stuff. but that reminds me, have you heard this one?
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thanks will go check out christy’s thread….
Seconded, thanks for the link.
Thanks to gjeurne for opening the digg.
Selise,
Thanks for your additional information and links! Perhaps my posts will direct more attention to your previous work, which I am sorry to have missed.
Your background info shows that the big run on MM accounts on Sept. 18 did not occur in a vacuum. Good work!
Bob in HI
hi bob – there was so much going on at that time, i expect we were all more than a little overwhelmed. also, as i said, at the time i did what i could to find more sources and since i couldn’t find anything conclusive, i let it drop. if we can do more than speculate, i’m very interested in following it up. but while i love to speculate, in the absence of a way to test those speculations, my interest is diminished. hopefully there will be someone with more knowledge and sources to pursue it, if possible.
p.s. the youtube shows paulson’s answer as well.
Selise,
In all the materials you ran across, did you find out anything more about the speculation concerning martial law in connection with this meltdown?
Bob in HI
That is tough question to answer, because it is not merely Hanky and Bennie. This whole gang of neo-cons have been working on this heist. There is no downside for them. They get Disaster Capitalism against the middle class. Also they get money for nothing. Well, perhaps one downside, their chicks are not free, costing $2000/hour.
Recommend most definitely! This financial Meltdown is certainly a CONSPIRACY of Wall Street criminals led by Paulson and GoldmanSachs and the Carlyle Group.
The Bushie moles are still using secrecy to conceal the Madoff crimes, the CDO’s, CDS’s of the investment bankers, and their Cayman Island accounts.
Ok who was making the run on the banks and why? We are the richest country and Americans are more likely to have inside information. Did American hedgefunds create a run on the banks?
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gulp.
Also: Who shorted the airlines immediately before 9/11?
These are both reasonable questions, not conspiracy-land stuff, and the people deserve to know.
Indeed.
Fascinating post. It’s the sort of detail which sounds a bit like a scene from a movie.
BTW, it was probably Bernanke since he’s at the Fed. Paulson was at Treasury.
“Somber” indeed, and all the more since we knew/know Bush had his EO set up to declare martial law.
The sentence which caught my eye was:
“September 17, 2008, investors redeemed $145 billion from their money market mutual funds.”
They didn’t use the passive…”$145 billion was redeemed…”, but they did make it clear that it was ONLY $145B which began this. The big money managers just followed their herd leaders.
Question is who those investors were that redeemed $145 so suddenly, as a group. And, why?
My neighbor is responsible. He realized that we had a big bubble in the housing market. He is retired and knew that he would probably not live to see the market rebound after it crashed. In late 2007 (please note the year, that is not a typo), he told his financial manager to move his money into cash-type instruments. She tried to talk him out of it, but as he retired quite awhile ago from the financial office at Boeing, he is smart enough to know what is happening.
I suspect it isn’t some grand conspiracy, just a whole bunch of people a lot smarter than anyone in the Bush Administration that realized our financial situation was a house of cards. My goodness, all of us who read Ian’s posts, knew that also. Go back to the start of Ian’s posts about the financial situation and figure out when money started going out. As more and more people began to realize what was going on they took their money out of stocks. The big amounts on one day were the folks that finally realized that our government didn’t know how to govern and wouldn’t do anything about the situation.
Good question anyone have an answer?
Thaks Bob this gave me the hebee Gebees’s to Think What If??