The House Committee on the Judiciary Majority Staff has written a Final Report to Chairman John Conyers, Jr. last month (March 2009),
REINING IN THE IMPERIAL PRESIDENCY: Lessons and Recommendations Relating to the Presidency of George W. Bush, with a very important Foreward by Rep. John Conyers (D-MI). In this blog, I will be focusing on Conyers’ explanation of the lack of impeachment during the 110th Congress, and the way forward. My approach is different from that of vyan in his blog, Conyers calls for Special Prosecutor on Bush Crimes – Updated
We have heard much of Conyers’ analysis before. Conyers states (p. 10),
Many think these acts rise to the level of impeachable conduct. I agree. I have never wavered in my belief that this President and Vice-President are among the most impeachable officials in our Nation’s history, and the more we learn the truer that becomes.
Many would agree with this assessment, which makes it unbearably frustrating that Speaker Pelosi famously took impeachment off the table at the beginning of the 110th Congress. But then Conyers came to a different conclusion than many others:
However, as I have said, while President Bush and Vice President Cheney have earned the dishonorable eligibility to be impeached, I do not believe that would have been the appropriate step at this time in our history, and I would like again to briefly explain why that is the case.
Many of us remember Conyers’ “Constitution in Crisis: The High Crimes of the Bush Administration and a Blueprint for Impeachment,” written during the 109th Congress, when the Republicans were in control. Despite the title, Conyers reminds us that the report “did not call for impeachment. Rather, it concluded that there was substantial evidence of impeachable misconduct and that there should be a full investigation by a select Committee armed with subpoena power.”
When many people persisted in misunderstanding this conclusion, Conyers wrote again, in an essay published in The Washington Post titled “No Rush to Impeachment” quoted in the new report (p.11),
So, rather than seeking impeachment, I have chosen to propose comprehensive oversight of these alleged abuses. The oversight I have suggested would be performed by a select committee made up equally of Democrats and Republicans and chosen by the House speaker and the minority leader. The committee’s job would be to obtain answers – finally. At the end of the process, if – and only if – the select committee, acting on a bipartisan basis, finds evidence of potentially impeachable offenses, it would forward that information to the Judiciary Committee. This threshold of bipartisanship is appropriate, I believe, when dealing with an issue of this magnitude.
Why such a timid conclusion? After all, it is the purpose of impeachment to establish the very things that Conyers wanted from the Select Committee, and the process of impeachment offers enhanced subpoena powers. And in any event, the 110th Congress, with its majority in the House, spurned Conyers’ recommendation. No Select Committee was named, and the closest thing to such a hearing conducted by the House Judiciary Committee near the end of the 110th Congress: “Hearing on: Executive Power and Its Constitutional Limitations,” Wednesday 07/25/2008 – (Full Committee), with a witness list that included Dennis Kucinich, Elizabeth Holtzman, Bob Barr, Bruce Fein, and a bunch of others. It was a pale substitute for the Select Committee that Conyers had argued for.
Why did the 110th Congress fail so miserably, despite a Democratic Majority in the House, and a hairline majority in the Senate? Conyers wrote (p. 12)
I would suggest that this argument ignores the text and history of the Constitution. There is nothing mandatory about using the power to impeach when wrongful conduct is shown, and the decision whether or not to impeach was always intended to be subject to the politics at the time. We live in a democracy, after all.
Conyers’ political assessment was this (p. 12):
The simple fact is, despite the efforts of impeachment advocates, the support and votes have not been there, and could not reasonably be expected to materialize. It takes 218 votes in the House and 67 votes in the Senate to impeach and remove a president from office. The resolution I offered three years ago to simply investigate whether an impeachment inquiry was warranted garnered only 38 cosponsors in the House, and the Democratic Leader of the Senate labeled it “ridiculous.” Impeachment resolutions against Vice President Cheney and President Bush offered by my friend and colleague Dennis Kucinich only garnered 27 and 11 House cosponsors, respectively.
[Emphasis added.]
My contention has been that Conyers’ pessimism was unjustified, and that in any case, the leadership of the House (including Conyers himself as chair of the House Judiciary Committee) could control the process. That is, I think that if an official impeachment hearing would have been allowed to begin, Conyers could
1. Refer it to the Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties,
2. Keep it locked in the subcommittee until evidence collected until sufficient support had built to develop articles of impeachment that are grounded in abundant evidence.
3. Keep the investigation going in the full committee until such time as there was sufficient support to bring articles of impeachment to the floor of the House.
I remember that during Watergate, the leadership of the Congress did not know at the beginning of the investigations whether the outcome would be favorable or not. They trusted the process, and began the investigation before knowing what the outcome would be. Yet it was the work of the investigations that exposed the evidence that eventually led to Nixon’s resignation.
Conyers knows this Watergate history very well; he was a member of Congress at the time. In fact, Conyers voted on the Articles of Impeachment against Nixon in July 1974. But during Watergate, the investigations were led in Congress first by the US Senate. According to the Wikipedia,
The Senate Watergate Committee was a special committee convened by the United States Senate to investigate the Watergate burglaries and the ensuing Watergate scandal after it was learned that the Watergate burglars had been directed to break into and wiretap the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee by the Committee to Re-elect the President, President Richard Nixon’s re-election campaign fund raising organization. The formal, official name of the committee was the Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities… Hearings opened on May 17, 1973, and the Committee issued its seven-volume, 1,250-page report on June 27, 1974.
The House Judiciary Committee got involved in July 1974:
the House of Representatives began formal investigations into the possible impeachment of the President. The committee’s opening speeches included one by Texas Representative Barbara Jordan . The House Judiciary Committee voted 27 to 11 on July 27, 1974 to recommend the first article of impeachment against the President: obstruction of justice. The second (abuse of power) and third (contempt of Congress) articles were passed on July 29, 1974 and July 30, 1974, respectively.
So in Conyers’ mind, it seems that the Senate should take the lead by appointing a Select Committee, and impeachment in the House should begin only after the Select Committee issues its report. In the 110th Congress, the Senate was closely divided between Democrats and Republicans, and the Democrats controlled it only with the assistance of one Socialist (Bernie Sanders) and one independent (Joe Lieberman). Although Conyers doesn’t say so explicitly, he apparently felt that the Senate had to move first.
But here’s what Conyers has to say in overview of the situation and the way forward (pp. 14-15):
The lesson I took away from Watergate and the Vietnam era spying abuses was that much of the work of reining in an Imperial Presidency takes place after the change in Administrations. It was only due to the work of the Church Committee and other reviews initiated after President Nixon resigned that we were able to pass historic legislation such as the Federal Campaign Finance Act, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the Independent Counsel Act, the Ethics in Government Act, and the Presidential Records Act. It was Pecora Commission’s work after the Wall Street Crash in 1929 that helped lay the ground work for the New Deal banking and securities reforms.
Likewise, I believe now is when much of the work to remedy the excesses of the most recent Imperial Presidency begins. That is why this Report recommends that the Judiciary Committee and the Congress pursue any unresolved subpoenas and document requests left over from the last Congress; that we create a “blue-ribbon” commission or similar select committee, along the lines of the 9/11 Commission, to investigate these matters and report to Congress, the President, and the public; and that the incoming Administration finally begin an independent criminal review of activities of the outgoing Administration, such as enhanced interrogation, extraordinary rendition, and domestic warrantless surveillance.
The 541 page Report goes on to make a total of 50 policy recommendations. But this should be enough for us to get a sense of Conyers’ game plan. Note that this game plan involves
(a) a “blue-ribbon” commission or similar select committee, along the lines of the 9/11 Commission, to investigate these matters and report to Congress, and
(b) an independent criminal review by the Obama administration of activities of the Bush Administration.
This is essentially modeled on Watergate. The problem is, will Congress step up to the plate and resume its role in the balance of powers, taking its oath of office seriously, or will it continue to be dysfunctional?
Bob in HI



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Thanks for this post, Bob. I was so fixated on the current report’s call for a special prosecutor that I missed Conyers’ post hoc ramblings on the failure to attempt impeachment. Conyers may be right that impeachment hearings were not technically an obligation, but they were a duty.
I tend to think like you, too. But I think Conyers is telling us that it ain’t over yet.
Gotta quibble with another one of Conyers’ claims, however. He wrote,
What this neglects is that Watergate led to the removal of a sitting President. Congress did not wait until Nixon’s term expired to act. The 110th Congress failed to act.
Another difference with Watergate, however, seems to be that Congress has grown more timid, which some have read as “more complicit.” Another difference is that Republicans, even though Bush’s popularity sank to historic lows, and the present party lacks any discernible leadership, they nevertheless seem able to unite against whatever Democrats want to do. This is unprecedented. Usually, as leadership fragments, the party fragments, but that hasn’t happened.
It is also unfathomable why the Republicans in Congress still seem to favor protecting Bush’s unitary executive even though it seems to give Obama power that one would think they would rather he didn’t have. Their defiant opposition, given their fragmented leadership, and Bush’s unpopularity, seems inexplicable.
Bob in HI
I don’t think timidity of congress is the operative reason. I think it’s that during Watergate fewer GOP congress people were complicit in the crimes of the Nixon administration. This time around many are in the tank with Abramoff and other money funnelers and are intent solely on enriching themselves and furthering a radical agenda which is anathema to most Americans.
More to the point, Democratic leaders have been complicit in Bush criminality, failing to stop, and then retroactively endorsing, warrantless eavesdropping; giving harsh interrogation a pass (I’ve got a swell quote from Schumer supporting the ticking-timebomb canard); and trashing habeas corpus through the Military Commissions Act, among other inexcusable capitulations.
Agreed, but the cohesion of the GOP is based more on complete criminality of purpose than that of the Dems, I think.
The Democrats have never been able to come together in the face of determined opposition, even when Clinton was president.
I do not trust Obama at all. His policies are making the situation here much worse by allowing people to believe that he has a plan to fix things. First of all, there are no jobs to create because there is no demand for anything. People have no money, there is little value left in their houses to extract in order to support this consumer driven society, and the basic necessities are becoming more and more expensive because of the increase in the cost of inputs for food production and fuel costs for delivery.
I remember the words of Trotsky interpreting Marx’s take on the middle class as it related to the American middle class:
“Far from being a guarantee of the future, the middle class is an unfortunate and tragic relic of the past. Unable to stamp it out altogether, capitalism has managed to reduce it to the utmost degree of degradation and distress….[T]he middle class is not proletarianized only because it is pauperized.” (The Living Thoughts of Karl Marx, Longmans, Green and Co., New York, 1939. Leon Trotsky, ed.)
No argument regarding the GOP’s impressive unanimity of venal purpose.
Regarding Obama, I don’t trust him either — never did — but I still can’t stop loving him. Not sure if Trotsky’s got an explanation for that; maybe Freud.
There are two principal reasons why there was no impeachment of Bush and Cheney. The first of these is the one you mention that so many Democrats were complicit in their actions. The second is why they were. As I have pointed out many times, most Democrats agreed with what Bush did. They just thought he went too far in some cases and executed badly in others. But as for the fundamentals they were always onboard.
The Democrats supported and continue to support most of the criminality of the Bush years. This is why they can say with a straight face, a la Cass Sunstein, that it really was just about policy differences because for them it was.
Just so.
Exactly, Hugh. I have no illusions that there are differences of substance between the parties.
Perhaps Republicans in Congress won’t abandon the unitary executive position because they hope to seduce Obama into slowly adopting it as his own. This would act to prevent further investigation of the Bush regime’s abuses and crimes, and could insulate Congressional Republicans and some Democrats who were complicit in enabling Bush et al.
Thanks for bringing this to light.
“Yes, ‘n’ how many times can a man turn his head,
Pretending he just doesn’t see?
The answer, my friend, is blowin’ in the wind,
The answer is blowin’ in the wind.”
Hope his report gathers traction.
DIGG IS OPEN
Thanks, Bob. I’m not convinced. The House should have have held full impeachment hearings. Conyers is reported to have told Pelosi, “Let me handle it” after Rep. Kucinich introduced his bill.
A 531 page report? Kinda kills the chances that Holder will read it, understaffed and with many hot potatoes to juggle.
Funny we ended up here together. In answer to a comment from you, perris has been trying to get me to do diaries. You are above my skill level. I am still in the whimping out stage..’g’. One of these days, as I keep on telling perris. I have one step above zero skills at computers because I don’t know what the words mean in computer talk. As an example, I had to call my cable company not too long ago for help and I didn’t know what close the browser meant…hahahah. I didn’t know what the modem was either. The service representative told me that was the first time he’d ever heard that from a customer. Considering his company serves the whole country..that really says it all about my knowledge, or lack of, actually.
Keep up the good work; nice to see that you are now doing diaries so that your research gets the attention it deserves.
Hey, bluebutterfly. (big wave and shining face)
I’ve asked those same questions, but fortunaately had my son as tutor and he was most careful not to denigrate my questions, but I often saw that soft, loving look in his eyes that said, “Ah, got to teach Mama about this New World Order once again.” (He bought my entire computer set up and printer and paid all fees to earthlink etc…)
I put off doing a diary for like 2 years. The table of ‘things I need to learn’ is an absolute banquet! Finally set myself down and found the diary wasn’t so hard. Now, got to tackle transfering pics and videos into a diary. (right now, instructs look like Chinese to me).
I’m looking forward to your first diary, blue.
A big wave from up here to you in return. Thank your son from me because without him, we wouldn’t have his mother here. Tell him how valuable you are to our knowledge base. My computer is ancient and my printer died..oh..woe is me! Working on saving for dental work now, so new ‘toys’ are at the bottom of the list for now. Typing on a dinosaur of sorts I am..’g’.
Blue, Bob, James, Perris, and all: While the ‘elite’ among us humans were dreaming up ever more ways to torture other human beings, this true story was live over in England.
Will humans ever rise to the humanity of this dog??
what a beautiful animal. she reminds me of a dog i used to have who also looked like that. my dog would gently move all my cat’s kittens so that she could cuddle them and even other dogs let her collect their nursing babies to cuddle.
thanks! i’ve forwarded the link to friends!
We could but we won’t until we find a universal cure for greed and the love of power over others. What a lovely heart warming story..thanks..
How wonderful! Yes. Humans should be show that kind of “humanity”!
Thanks for opening the DIGG!
Bob in HI
You’re welcome. I always take note of your diaries and comments. Keep up the good work.
here’s what conyers and pelosi simply choose to ignore;
once the crimes were set to record there would be no choice, these two criminals would have been impeached or those who voted against impeachment would have been defeated in the next election
there was absolutely no excuse what so ever not to have the trial of impeachment
conyers misses the most important point of all
the purpose of impeachment is not only to remove someone from office, it’s to set the record, what action were taken by the person in office
I submit nixon should have been impeached even though he resigned
You are so correct. Ford didn’t impeach and he changed the Warren Commission report. The consequences to America from those two actions…oh, a long list, indeed. No surprise that he was praised at his funeral for not impeaching. He enabled the worst of the worst neo-cons/MIC people to expand their power and influence; then and up to the present time. He said he was healing America. That should be recorded as one of the biggest lies ever spoken by an American politician.
The refusal to impeach was to protect all of the enablers. This is one case where a caged bird would sing..loudly! Can you imagine a scene where Bush was actually arrested? Ha..he’d be giving up everyone to save his own sorry self so quickly that his lips would be smoking. That is why he is protected by everyone even now. Pelosi, herself, was implicit in torture. She knew it was happening and said nothing. The Democrats and the Republicans were involved in allowing illegal wire tapping of Americans, too. If it would have been just Republicans, there would have been some hope for impeachment after the Democratic party took back the White House. They are all protecting each other and they know each other’s secrets; blackmail material that ensures that people vote the ‘right’ way which often is not in the best interests of the average American citizen.
Grant Conyers immunity from any crime he might have been involved with during his entire life and he might actually do something instead of endlessly talking and writing about doing something…someday..maybe.
Impeachment is fundamentally a political act, not a judicial act. It has the forms of a judicial act (the House acting as a grand jury of sorts, and the Senate as a petit jury of sorts), but the substance of impeachment is always political.
If Conyers says the will wasn’t there to do it (and after l’affaire Clinton I can easily believe the will wasn’t there), then it wasn’t there.
That does not and should not excuse Pelosi and Conyers for ignoring the issue. There wasn’t a lot of will to remove Nixon in the early period of the Watergate scandal. Investigation into the matter (and Nixon’s stonewalling of the investigation) led to Nixon resignation before he could be impeached (and likely, convicted by the Senate).
When did the Constitution get set aside by State Secrets?
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” President Barack Obama invoked “state secrets” to prevent a court from reviewing the legality of the National Security Agency’s warantless wiretapping program, moving late Friday to have a lawsuit that challenged the program dismissed.
In attempting to block a San Fransisco court from reviewing documents relating to the NSA program, the Obama Administration is also protecting other individuals named as defendants in the suit: Vice President Dick Cheney, former Cheney chief of staff David Addington and former Bush Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. The Friday brief responded to the government agencies being sued; the individual defendants have asked for more time to prepare their response.
The Obama Administration’s full motion to dismiss can be read here (PDF). “
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/….._0406.html
I am growing very wary of obama butterfly
Justifiably so. The “actions speak louder than words” phrase comes to mind. Here is a WTF bit of news. Where in your government’s policies does justice actually exist? Jail for trying to tell President Obama the truth?
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” Lawyers for Binyam Mohamed face the incredible prospect of a six-month jail sentence in America after writing a letter to President Obama detailing their client’s allegations of torture by U.S. agents.
The privilege review team — officials from the U.S. Department of Defense who monitor and censor communication between Guantánamo prisoners and their lawyers — have previously been accused of using their powers to suppress evidence of the abuse and mistreatment of detainees. “
http://www.alternet.org/rights…..of_client/
Add to that the failure by the Obama Admin -A.G Holder- to prosecute Bush Admin personnel for the war crimes they committed, OR the fraud that has taken place in the financial markets, and I hope people see the Obama Admin for what IT is and THAT is an ‘enabler of crimes’ against humanity and the U.S.
Recommended.
Thanks for the “recommendation”!
Bob in HI
thanks, bob! Dugg and recommended.
Thanks!
Bob in HI
Well done bob! Thanks for this post. Hope Jane “front pages” it.
Thanks for the kind words! We need to find ways to help move the ball forward (sorry for the sports metaphor!) The problem, as Leahey is finding with respect to his “Truth” commission, is that no Republicans are willing to play. Despite their discredited leadership, and the unpopularity of Bush, they still hang together in opposing any probing into Bush & Cheney misdeeds.
Holder would help move things a lot if he’d appoint a special prosecutor– preferably Pat Fitzgerald!
Bob in HI
I think they should have impeached because it is the right thing to do. But I can also see a very ugly scenario that would come from trying and failing, and clearly it would have been hard to find even a single Republican who would vote to impeach.
I wonder if Conyers addresses anywhere what that means in terms of being able to remove a leader in the future. Because we clearly have a broken system if we can’t use impeachment to remove a leader who is holding people without trial and torturing them. It was “just a few terrorists this time”, how about next time. Plus, there aren’t any real signs that we have actually stopped torturing yet. At some point we may again have to look to remove a bad leader. Hell, Obama only has so much time before he will be responsible for torturing, too.
There is a major difference between now and Watergate that nobody has mentioned yet, back then there were sane Republicans. The current crop has shown again and again that there is no level of crime that would make them do anything to give up any political power. And we have a media that enables this to happen.
Oh.
Well, whatever helps John Conyers sleep at night, right? Right??
The words i’m searching for are “coward”, “timid”, “weakling”, and “doddering old man”, not to mention “complicit”.
Conyers is Lucy tempting Charlie Brown with the football and yanking it every time. What happened to the Rove subpoenas? He’ll make an announcement via the internet in a month that he has subpoenaed Rove again, just like the last 3 he didn’t enforce. It will be the same way with this call for a special prosecutor buried in a 500 page report. What he obviously needs is a stiff primary challenge.
It could be along the lines of “time for new blood, all due respect to the old man,” so it doesn’t even have to go negative. Throwing him out may give someone like Robert Wexler the chance to ascend to the chairmanship of Judiciary, and we can see what kind of balls he has for pursuing Bush officials for war crimes.
Conyers’ M.O. is to announce something, let it fly around the internet, then let it die in the dead of night. If he were serious he would call a press conference, televised, to announce his call for a special prosecutor. The Chairman of the Judiciary committee could get some cameras into his hearing room if he wanted. As it is, he’s preaching to the liberal internet choir and following up with requests for campaign contributions.
It saddens me to have to put Conyers into the group with the gas-bag do-nothings.
I’m not a lawyer (or any other kind of expert), but I read that Congress has the power to appoint a special prosecutor with subpoena powers. I wish Conyers had done that instead of writing a 531 page report that will probably be filed away unread (much less cause action to be taken).
i thought the AG could appoint a special counsel. not that Congress could appoint special prosecutor. just my understanding. not betting the farm on it.
There are, of course, other possible reasons which Conyers cannot and will not outline.
There’s the possibility that he was being blackmailed, and may still be blackmailed today; the blackmail may have focused on his actions, or the actions of his wife or other family members.
There’s also the possibility that somebody listened in on Conyers and was able to threaten him by use/misuse of whatever they may have heard.
And there’s the possibility that Cheney’s death squads were well-known to members of Congress, overshadowing every decision they might have made.
This situation has always smelled like something pointedly stopped Conyers and others from actively doing their duty; I just don’t buy that he thought the bigger picture would settle the lawlessness of the Bush administration. He had a duty not only to prosecute, but to prevent and stop the criminal activities he knew were taking place; history doesn’t do that, it only leaves documentation.
I think there’s a huge unspoken threat among both parties. Nobody seems willing to follow the law.
This is great stuff. Thanks. So much about watergate/Nixon— which I can understand. Nothing about Clinton where the House took the lead. they were wrong to do so, but it wanted the guy gone so it acted. why not the Dems? Unlike the Rs w/ Clinton, they even had a case.
recommended and dugg! thanks, bob!
Impeach the Motherfucker Already!
That would put ‘ol Dubya into a bit of a pickle, wouldn’t it? Can’t travel abroad, can’t stay in Dallas… He’d have to head off to Paraguay
Apparently the Cheney assassination squads have never entered your thinking. I’m sure they entered the thinking of members of Congress.
Apparently, some folks are drinking a lot tonight or doing something else, what?
hoops?
Jayhawks aren’t there, so I’m drinkin’
fixed
Maybe so, but, watching bb and blogging? Could be.
It’s too important a topic to discuss like that.
I happen to like Conyers. Just me.
I like Mr. Conyers as well. Just can’t help but get the feeling that rusty houndog might have a point.
Toke one for me. and, see ya upstairs, maybe. :)
Yer late. ;~P
It was only due to the work of the Church Committee and other reviews initiated after President Nixon resigned that we were able to pass historic legislation such as the Federal Campaign Finance Act, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the Independent Counsel Act, the Ethics in Government Act, and the Presidential Records Act. It was Pecora Commission’s work after the Wall Street Crash in 1929 that helped lay the ground work for the New Deal banking and securities reforms.
Yes, we got all that legislation from Watergate. Then Bushco came along and decided they were against the laws of the land and did whatever they wanted. What good is it to pass legislation and then allow a President, or a bank to break the law at will while you sit idly by and watch without doing a damn thing about it? IMO, you can’t put that genie back in the bottle.
What good is a legislator who won’t push to enforce their own legislation? We don’t need them if that’s the plan.
watertiger is upstairs at the Mothership!
Late Nite: Michele Bachmann Stars in “Birth of an Aberration”
Nevertheless, congratulations to Bob for the Front Page!
Good on ya.
(Too bad about the bb/drinking.)
Still, I’m happy and proud for ya! Boo ya.
Wow. Thanks, everyone. This has been a subject near and dear to my heart for a long time. I camp out here at FDL because people like looseheadprop and Christy and EW and Jane care about our Constitution and the Rule of Law.
I truly hope that Conyers is onto something, and will push this through until justice is done. However, I fear that it is all kabuki. Let’s do what we can to see that justice is done. After all, as President Obama said,
Someone needs to quote that back to him and ask him about war crimes.
Bob in HI
Too little, too late, Conyers.
He could have saved all the verbiage by simply admitting that he didn’t have the guts to do it.
DIGG THIS PLEASE.
i’m continuing to wait for and demand an appropriate response from Congress on this issue.
Only now, it’s not impeachment that I’m advocating, it is indictment!
I will NEVER believe in the country as I did before the Bu$h Administration until those thugs are brought to justice!
Dugg, rec’d!
Conyers not only places himself in the role of judge and jury over the question of impeachment, but also in the role of lead prosecution and defense attorneys. He argued the case in his own mind and ruled against it, and seems to think that’s adequate analysis. If you look in the dictionary under the term “hubris,” you might just find a picture of Mr. Conyers.
But in one sense he’s correct: if he, and the Senate leader, and the House leader, all agree that impeachment is off the table, then it appears that impeachment is indeed impossible. This argues not that impeachment is an untenable solution, but that Mr. Conyers, Mr. Reid, and Mrs. Pelosi ought to be replaced in their roles with people who have the wherewithal to actually carry out their respective duties of office.
Mr. Conyers explanations are just an attempt to justify an irrevocable injustice and dereliction of duty. They are as transparent and flimsy as those the Republicans attempt every day. History will judge President Bush and Vice President Cheney as the worst in those roles ever. But history will also judge Conyers, Reid, and Pelosi as the most Neville-Chamberlainesque figures of the 109′th and 110′th Congresses. At a time when the Loyal Opposition most needed courage, integrity, and leadership, these three were tested and these three failed. That will be history’s judgment – that Bush and Cheney were criminals, and that the feeble Democratic Congress looked the other way.
if you will recall, the fbi came and visited conyers.
showed him their files on him and his crookedness.
conyers was emasculated. is forever emasculated.
you cannot ask congressional gangsters to pursue other gangsters.
they are all part of the same organization.
It pleases me that everyone enjoyed the story of Jasmine, the greyhound. I’ve noted each of your responses, and am glad you are passing it on.
I think it’s time we examine what that means. Apparently it’s not antithetical to having a totalitarian imperialist installed in the presidency.
From this examination of Luciano Canfora’s “Democracy in Europe: A History of an Ideology”.
The United states is more or less based on european government.
Canofora doesn’t seem to be aware of the CIA Gladio operation that took place in Italy. which is representative of the type of government that our ruling class is working to impose on us, James’ comment on Trotsky falls right in line with that idea.
After reading part of Conyers statement, I suggest we rename to Conyer’s apology.
Conure has shurked his duty. He’s now recommending a toothless committee, and that Obama muster up the will to try Bush and his administation for crimes against humanity and constituional butt wiping or whatever.
Obama will pay a price for this either way.
Ya know, basesd on what we’ve seen already, maybe that’s not a bad thing.
Perhaps we can harness some rightwingers that are ready for a revolution.
There is an unescapable conclusion as a result of this.
Impeachment will never be used when impeachment should be used. It will be used frivolously as a way of a Congress of one party embarassing a President of the other party.
And the two-thirds requirement for conviction will ensure that conviction never happens as those sorts of numbers in Congress generally are associated with a president of the same party.
Impeaching presidents has now become a dead letter because Congress sees its use in real matters as destructive as nuclear war. They are afraid to use its power when it should be used.