One of the side effects of The Netroots Nation convention was a blizzard of buttons, pocket-sized cards, pamphlets, 8.5×11 paper manifestos, leaflets, and broadsides, and a few magazines. One of those magazines was Tikkun’s July/August 2010 issue, featuring a cover story proclaiming "Queer Spirituality and Politics: Why Gay Rights is a Religious Issue," by Jay Michaelson. The feature article was, no doubt, the motivation for distributing dozens of free copies of this issue. But hidden inside are two other important articles that need our attention: The Second American Revolution, A review of Ralph Nader’s new book, Only the Super-Rich can Save Us!, by Charles Derber, and Barry Schwartz’s review, Prophetic Courage in an Imperial Age, of a book on Jeremiah.
Derber observed that
For most Americans, including most on the Left, system change has become a pipe dream. The truth is that we have become cynical and no longer believe we can transform the capitalist U.S. hegemon. System change is now considered a utopian conceit. Leftist intellectuals have become complicit in this new fatalism, writing endless books and articles critiquing current policies but offering (with some exceptions, as in this magazine) almost nothing about how to imagine and create a revolutionary transformation.
I have noticed this same descent into cynicism here at FDL, particularly in Emptywheel’s corner, where cynicism in the comments has become fashionable, and optimists are mocked. Visionaries are tolerated and occasionally applauded for their idealism, much as one might take comfort in a house pet, but otherwise these visionaries are not taken seriously.
Derber, however, notes the importance of these visionaries, and links Nader’s new book to Edwdard Bellamy’s Looking Backwards,
…a visionary socialist novel that sold one million hardcover books to the mass public. … Bellamy’s utopian best seller spawned a new breed of leftist intellectuals who did not find it silly to paint pictures of a world beyond greed, predatory finance, and robber-baron capitalism. And Bellamy spurred cooperativist, socialist, and radical labor movements that promoted previously unimaginable progressive reform.
It is uncanny how resonant "greed, predatory finance, and robber-baron capitalism" seem today. Derber also makes much of historian Russell Jacoby, who "has described the intelligentsia’s capitulation as one of the great tragic chapters in intellectual history."
In books such as The Last Intellectuals and The End of Utopia, Jacoby ferociously attacks leftist intelligentsia for abandoning the radical imagination. Radical imagination, after all, is not a path toward tenure. The professionalization of the leftist intelligentsia in the university has undercut the temperament and intellectual capacity to even conceive a different world.
Derber also cites Noam Chomsky on the same point:
The fading of the radical, utopian U.S. Left in the twentieth and early twenty-first centuries has gone largely without notice. Established intellectuals in the Beltway and New York highbrow literary circles live happily in this new world of hegemonic pragmatism, and leftist intellectuals, mainly ensconced in comfortable academic positions, have, for the most part, reconciled themselves to it. In his blistering 1960s critique—titled American Power and the New Mandarins—Noam Chomsky was one of the first to headline the extreme seriousness of this collapse of intellectual vision and courage.
Nader is praised, not so much for the correctness of his vision, as for being a progressive visionary.
Nader breaks completely with the prevailing pessimistic pragmatism, writing of the revolution that might not seem so out of reach if only we believed in its possibility.
Most reviews have focused on Nader’s apparent faith in billionaires. But Derber focuses on another aspect of Nader’s novel:
Nader knows that civic activism by ordinary Americans is the only force that will change the world—and such grassroots activism gets vast attention in the book. Second, the agents of change are secondary to his real message: the urgency of collectively cultivating a visionary consciousness and gut-level belief in transformative change, and then committing ourselves to making radical system change in the real world.
This brings me to step beyond Derber’s review to bring into this discussion Barack Obama’s The Audacity of Hope. With this book, Obama seemed to position himself as the prophet of a new Progressive optimism, which helped sweep him into power in 2008 with the slogan, "Change you can believe in." But alas, our prophet has proved to have feet of clay. This has prompted our descent into cynicism and despair.
But the real story of Nader’s book Derber writes, is "the insistence on leftist utopianism and transcendence of pragmatic pessimism…. How many leftist books leave you feeling hopeful, even optimistic? How many offer you a picture of a new world that inspires you to act?" To return to his earlier point,
…the urgency of collectively cultivating a visionary consciousness and gut-level belief in transformative change, and then committing ourselves to making radical system change in the real world.
Is the vision of The Audacity of Hope nullified just because the prophet is proven to have feet of clay? No– we must pick up the fallen standard and move it forward, with or without the prophet who articulated the vision. The ancient roles of prophet and priest are irreconcilable: the prophet is inevitably an outsider, while the priest is the quintessential insider. It is important to remember FDR’s exhortation to one of his progressive supporters: "Make me do it."
Barry Schwartz, in his review of Mordecai Schreiber’s new book, The Man Who Knew God: Decoding Jeremiah, quotes Abraham Joshua Heschel on the essence of the prophetic persona:
prophets [are] those who combine "a very deep love, a very powerful dissent, painful rebuke, with unwavering hope"
Heschel went on to lament that the books of the prophets in the Hebrew Bible (what Christians call the "Old Testament,") are little known today. Most people, if they remember anything about Jeremiah, remember him as a sourpuss, a constant complainer whose very name (in the form "Jeremiad") has become an erudite synonym for "rant." Schwartz wrote,
Jeremiah’s life story is compelling, and his powerful challenge to domestic hubris and colonial imperialism resonates in our age: "See, you are relying on illusions that are of no avail. Will you steal and murder and commit adultery and swear falsely … and then come and stand before Me in this House, which bears my name and say, we are safe?" (7:8-10)
…when all is said and done, what strikes us most deeply in our kishkas about Jeremiah is his resolve in the face of suffering and his true embodiment of prophetic courage. Jeremiah would have none of the pseudo-religious revivals sweeping his country. He decried hypocrisy at every level and paid for it in years of emotional torment, scorn, imprisonment, and exile. The personal cost is hard to fathom; Schreiber even posits that Jeremiah broke with his own father and never married due to his relentless pursuit of the truth. Through it all, he did have his loyal disciple and scribe Baruch ben Neriah by his side. He told Baruch to keep writing. And that is why Jeremiah, a pariah in his own day, lives for the ages.
We need our Progressive prophets, and we need to honor their vision, even when they seem to have feet of clay.
Bob in AZ



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Nice diary Bob very nice and yes we need progressive prophets to light the way from these dark days of the Modern Robber Barron’s… It is still the same class warfare that our founding fathers were afraid of. Time to take away Corporate “Personhood” from these robbers!!
Current times present several incredibly important differences from the past. One is the advent of the modern security surveillance state, which Frank Church warned thirty years ago has the ability to stifle all real dissent before it can organize.
The second is that the robber barons learned their lessons from the past. They have now found a way for the government to finance the establishment and field training of a huge army of domestic mercenaries, blooded and vetted in Iraq and Afghanistan, and now ready to be deployed alongside the regular Army to suppress political dissent.
Cynical? We’re not cynical; we’re realists, and we know we’ve been completely, irredeemably rat-fucked.
Jeremiah was rat-fucked, too. But today we remember him for something else.
I’m not saying that you’re wrong about your facts (I’ll leave judgment on that open). What I’m saying is that I choose to live my life with a different point of view.
Bob in AZ
Good viewpoint. I like that. It is easy to get very pessimistinc, angry, and vitriolic with all the stuff going on. Especially feeling so betrayed by the current lot running the show. But you are right. We do create our own tomorrows. We have to maintain hope, and continue to look for better leadership, and lives for ourselves and as a country and human race.
When you get off the computer and telly and go outside, it’s still a beautiful day, and there are still lots of friendly people in the world, and you can still have a barbeque and hang out with folks you enjoy. That will put a better spin on things!
I’m cynical, it doesn’t make me mope. I’m also optimistic, the last thing these kleptocrats want is American’s full attention. They’re getting more of it everyday, and you can see the beads of sweat on Pelosi’s upper lip, and in Boehner’s jowl creases.
There was some idiotic article circulating the other day, “Do the rich need the rest of us?” or wtf ever. Lmao, do we need the rich??
Get the fuck out!
: )
The problem with optimism is that it makes it easy for a person to be conned. You talk about the ‘vision’ of The Audacity of Hope. Please. The ‘vision’ of that book was: “I, Barack Obama, want to be President very, very badly.”
Which as it turned out was precisely the ‘change’ the nation could believe in.
Political movements don’t need ‘prophets’. In fact, one of the absolute worst things about American society is the long series of cults of personality we build around athletes, celebrities, politicans and wealthy business tycoons. How is it that an administration can have failed so badly, and have enacted as many grotesquely unpopular policies as this one, or the last one for that matter, and remain relatively powerful and influential, let alone stay in office?
Simple. People want their prophets very badly, on both the left and the right, because it’s easier than thinking for yourself. Obama and Bush can/could both rely on the rosy optimists of their own base, who overlook their obvious and tactical betrayals in favor of ‘faith’. Faith in their hearts, their intentions, their loyalty, anything to contradict the evidence they see with their own eyes day after day.
Well no, not necessarily. There is no inherent problem with optimism, I’m pretty hard to con. Luckily.
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LOL….I know what you mean about the conning. I feel very conned by voting in Obama and the Dems.
I think the key is to be optimistic, and have a good outlook at life, and continue to strive for that everyday, while being very vigilant about what is going on in your environment.
I think one of the prices of freedom is to be constantly alert. Not alarmed, just alert.
Barbara Ehrenreich has written “Bright-Sided: How Positive Thinking is Undermining America.” I have the book on order but the idea is that almost forcing people to be upbeat and peppy about everything is causing us not to deal with the problems that face us. She began to think about this when she had cancer and the rah-rah thinking around her nearly drove her mad. We have been told that tomorrow will be a better day and maybe it won’t. I can’t wait to read the book.
Oy, lady wrote a book about being irritated by perky types and how they’re undermining America. Cripes. You can probably get it cheaper once it’s remaindered…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ
Heh.
My point is that once in awhile we need to cry, or grieve or get angry. If we have to go around looking like Howdy Doody all the time, we are doing it for other people, not helping ourselves. If I need to feel cynical about something that is my right.
Certainly.
I don’t watch television, on the other hand, things like this being written do make me optimistic. There are currents in humanity deeper than any political schemers can hope to manipulate, that’s why they’re always so desperate.
“The present production apparatus is therefore, on the one hand, a gigantic machine for psychic and physical mobilization, for sucking the energy of humans that have become superfluous, and, on the other hand, it is a sorting machine that allocates survival to conformed subjectivities and rejects all “problem individuals,” all those who embody another use of life and, in this way, resist it. On the one hand, ghosts are brought to life, and on the other, the living are left to die. This is the properly political function of the contemporary production apparatus.”
http://tarnac9.wordpress.com/texts/the-coming-insurrection/
Definitely!
Maybe a better state of mind might be to feel and project emotions pertinent to the matter at hand. If you have cancer, or a fight with a spouse…maybe you are pissed, scared, resentful????? Could last for minutes or months, depending on the situation????
Maybe if you read an article/diary that talks of another betrayal by the Adminstration you are pissed, pessimistic and feeling very cynical. That all seems correct, nobody wants to be betrayed. But then get up, shake it off, and get on with something else and acknowledge that not everyone stabs you in the back. I think putting one’s attention on things that make you feel good is a good thing. When you feel good, things just seem to go better in life. Of course, we seem to have considerably less control of all that with our political process. They are sooooo out of reach to everyone but the rich/famous/corp america. I think all we can do is continue to write e-mails/letters/petitions, make calls, go to their offices. Someday I think the correct emotion for the actions being perpetrated upon us will be mass demonstrations on a regular basis around this country making it known we don’t like what’s happening…..until we get change.
You already know all that, but thanks for listenting to my thoughts!
there’s a direct connection from the “upbeat mind movement” and Oprah Winfrey style self help, and the underlying philosophy of neoliberalism. Rather, Oprah Winfrey is the neoliberal theme song. It’s a crock.
THank you. Oprah and Dr. Phil. Two of the most self-serving people on the planet but they feel quite confident in telling other people how they should feel. blegh!
why are you so cynical about my cynicism? Are your prophets so weak that a little scratch will deflate them?
I think Descartes made your point in fewer words:
“An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out?
Rene Descartes ” *G*
More: It is only prudent never to place complete confidence in that by which we have even once been deceived.
Rene Descartes
This. Cheers for “winning” the discussion ubetchaiam.
Thanks for this wonderful, inspiring diary, Bob.
While I agree that we cannot give up (despite some of what I had to say here), the truth is that profound, lasting, systemic change which benefits the working class is never going to happen from the top down, because those at the top have no incentive for encouraging that sort of change. They are comfy-cozy, and interested purely in consolidating their grip on both statutory and economic power (if we can even distinguish between the two any more).
Seductive as this medium – with its opportunity for organizing large numbers of people – may be, your diary’s point about the security state nipping any such effort in the bud is crucial, and we pretend “they” can’t do it at our peril. “They” can do it, “they” do it daily (KOS), utilizing myriad direct (The Oil is Gone!) and stealth (teabagging) techniques – and “they” will continue to do it until there is some personal benefit to them changing.
When I first saw your diary’s title, I thought, “Oh, here we go, keep-your-chin-up, progressive cheerleading…” but your citations are both fitting and timely. This observation in particular spoke to me:
I voted for Nader in 2000 not because I wanted him to win (as I have often said here, I wouldn’t want him be elected captain of a rowboat), but in pure protest at the utter lack of choice that existed that year – or for that matter, in any year during my lifetime (except perhaps 1976, when we elected our last true patriot – as I believe history will show).
Bush’s win in 2000 was fine with me because it led us more quickly down the path of Evil (capitalized to show personification, not Biblicalization). Why fuck around with the lesser of two evils? I say let’s get right to Evil, so debates about whether things really are bad won’t even be an issue. History has shown time again that humankind only acts to resolve problems when the problems can no longer be ignored, and lesser-of-two-evils voting merely delays the worsening necessary before broad recognition that we’ve taken the wrong path can occur.
The gradual see-sawing between two versions of Evil – the Dem’s, then the GOP’s, then the Dem’s again – is likely the foremost reason we have NOT realized the progressive/collectivist ideals of the Chomskys, Naders, Bucky Fullers, and countless others who have advocated so strongly for them. When things get gradually bad across several generations, members of a single generation can’t see the decline – at least not as clearly as when it occurs virtually over(election)night.
So two tactics:
First, at the national level, let’s either (1) stop voting altogether because the only thing that scares those in power more than an engaged electorate is one that is staying away with purpose, or (2) begin voting not for the lesser of two evils but for the worse of the two. Capitalist chaos. Bring it on.
Second, at the local and state level, let’s devote ourselves to progressive ideals and their furtherance, without the political posturing. I wrote here about my involvement in a local effort to bring smart growth to our sprawling-too-fast-for-its-own-good town. I’m overdue in posting an update, and pleased to say the news is good… and perhaps the most striking thing is that it’s got nothing (or little, as my update will detail) to do with partisanship. No matter who you are, you don’t like sitting in traffic. You don’t like having to get into your car to get a quart of milk. You don’t like that your kids cannot walk safely Whther for traffic reasons or crime reasons or stupid urban planning) to a park or creek or woods to play. You don’t like… well, watch for the update, I’ll probably call it “Living Local” or some such.
Again, Bob, thanks for saying things that give me hope, and for providing a clearer-eyed vision of what true change is going to take than anything I’ve seen in a long time.
Great comment, I concur fully with your thoughts.
~~~ModNote: If we can curb the insurrection chatter in here, it would be appreciated.~~~
Can you please define “insurrection chatter” or quote some examples?
My link most likely.
I think it was written before the financial meltdown, so it reflects that time. The thing is, everything was going along smoothly for the kleptocrats, until the economy went to hell and made the whole thing go sideways on them. Now they’re scrambling around trying to put humpty back together while convincing us lumpen (and themselves?) they have our best interests in mind. Obama wouldn’t have been any less a POS corporatist if there had been no crash, but he would have had a much easier time getting his corporate agenda enacted. Now, a lot of eyes are on what he does, not his bullshit speeches.
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We are Slaves. We await a Spartacus.
We are Exploited and we are corralled and exploited more and more. The ‘odd man out’ is Social Darwinism alive and well, the Working Class can only labor. Economic Conscription isn’t anything to be optimistic about and surely bailouts are saving the rich at the expense of the Working Class. We fund thru our taxes, the current administration, ObamaINC precisely what our founding fathers died and survived to End.
There is nothing optimistic about perseverance… WE should be organizing to Throw this Enemy out and enlist an efficacious means of getting Justice; and returning to a nation of laws for of and by the people… Not Corporations Not Capitalism.
Capitalism is the Problem.
solutions: nationalize Energy, Transportation, Health Care, Banking. Insist on living wages; national public Vote; real campaign finance reform; essentially: End the Warrior / Bonus Culture.
We had a chance to crack capitalism’s spine with Health Care Ins. WE have yet to repeal Taft-Hartley and enact a new Wagner Act… We aren’t doomed – but on the front lines of these battles Optimism and Pessimism seem a bit pedantic. ~~~EDITED IN MODERATION~~~
I see Neo-Liberals and Neo-cons as the Enemy. i feel we should plan ahead as they have done on so many things from Taft Hartley to United Citizens, Secrets and Torture… all tantamount to SEDITION !!! this makes them worthy of the title Enemy Combatants !
really enjoyed everyone’s post so far
Submitted earlier but don’t see it posted yet or reason for not posting?
Thank you,
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Liked your comment too.
Thanks.
what was modified: ‘the act a soldier experiences on the front line (though there really was no ‘line’ in Viet Nam)… where my experience of survival was removed’; Pessimism and Optimism have no meaning in a fight for survival.
Ya know this chatter about cynic/s is heaped on the backs of the Working Class, not the Ruling Oligarchy. What would you expect? who cares WWJD!
The great emancipator Sojourner Truth said of the Slave Population that ‘she could have saved thousands more if only they had recognized the condition they were in’. So i ask, were they Pessimistic? Optimistic or Cynics?
For the soldier in the field, for Sojourer, i don’t think the concepts entered the situation; when your balls are to the Wall one doesn’t have time to chat with Sympathizers or contemplate the rewards.
There will always be Cynics and Sympathizers, identifying them as such helps to circumvent their Albatrosness.
Do you mean to suggest we should accept Barack Obama as a proggy prophet?
Cuz, hoss, I just can’t get behind that one.
Barack Obama the prophet wrote The Audacity of Hope. But that prophet has become high priest, and no longer functions as a prophet. He’s too deeply involved in managing. He no longer has the detachment needed to be a prophet.
What I mean to say is that if The Audacity of Hope inspires you, let that inspiration continue to inspire you, and live whatever you can learn from it. Do not be discouraged by Obama the President. That is a different issue.
Bob in AZ
Hmm, all artfully wordplayed, for a spiritual end.
Sorry, his Audacity and his Presidency are one and the same.
I just can’t find spiritual renewal in the words of a corporate shill bought and paid for by the corporate fascists to do their bidding and shred we the people.
Discouraged?
How about fighting mad?
And I’ve never had a problem being depressed about reality.
You either cope or it kills you.
Being depressed is not an option.
“Barack Obama the prophet wrote The Audacity of Hope. But that prophet has become high priest, and no longer functions as a prophet. He’s too deeply involved in managing. He no longer has the detachment needed to be a prophet.”
That is pre-supposing that Obama was the Messiah and not just a Naughty Boy. Forgive if I don’t take Prophet Barak as being a given.
“What I mean to say is that if The Audacity of Hope inspires you, let that inspiration continue to inspire you, and live whatever you can learn from it. Do not be discouraged by Obama the President. That is a different issue.”
If as you say Obama’s book and Obama’s Presidency are different issues, then that means you can be cynical of President Obama irrespective of Author Obama.
Wonderful diary and wonderful comments, bobs ;-))
As for the ‘glass half full’ view of life; it’s more energizing than the ‘glass half empty’ view.’
You don’t get to be right as often, but you have more fun.
As for that ‘inspired’ concept, the movie “Jerry McGuire” has always deeply resonated with me, particularly the part where Dorothy explains to her sister that she quit her job to go work for the (now broke, now solo, now starting-again-from-scratch) Jerry McGuire because, she says, “I just want to be inspired“.
I totally get that.
Thanks for the extended discussion!
Let me offer a personal perspective: I used to be a world class cynic. I got to be right a lot, but it didn’t make me happy. In fact, I got clinically depressed (my opinion, not a professional diagnosis.) My thinking needed to change for the sake of my mental health. Instead of thinking every glass was half empty, I started focusing on the part that was half full. And there was this dude, Jesus of Nazareth. Truly, the people of Judea and Samaria, his contemporaries, were “rat-fucked,” as victortruex @ 2 put it. Was Jesus a “realist”? Yes, I think he was. Was Gandhi “rat-fucked”? Yes. Was Martin Luther King rat-fucked? Yes. But they showed me a different way of thinking. They revealed a different attitude towards life.
We need the prophets. We need inspiration, and the more dire the situation, the more we need inspiration. And I believe in “the urgency of collectively cultivating a visionary consciousness and gut-level belief in transformative change, and then committing ourselves to making radical system change in the real world.”
I like the quote attributed to Margaret Mead:
• Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world.
Bob in AZ
I think at times there is a confusion between individuals who are doing the footwork of change and finding where there needs to be change and discussion of the needs versus cynicism. Often they are the same.
The ability do critical analysis and to disagree with what your government is doing, is a beautiful reflection of democracy. A free and critical voice.
When criticism and cynicism are no longer are heard, all will know they are no longer living in a democracy.
Thus, I welcome the critical views at Emptywheel.
In many ways, FDL and EW serve as the growth-point of modern day prophets. Cynicism pushing action is the soil in which prophetic voices of change grow. I write those words with an appreciation of the Old Testament prophet Amos.
Amos was called to speak to the people of the Northern Kingdom. He was continually in conflict with the governing authorities, as demonstrated in the narrative by way of a conversation between Amos and Amaziah, a priest of Bethel. The priest, loyal to Jeroboam, accuses Amos of stirring up trouble against the king, and commands him to stop prophesying. Amos responds with:
Amos is a great example of speaking truth to power. Speaking truth to power often looks and sounds like cynicism and often IS cynicism.
Amos understood justice and that many were turning a blind eye to justice while living in a myopic world.
Other great modern day prophets have also uttered critical views in order to shine light on the obvious change needed.
The optimism of change only happens when it is in the bold light of the dualism of cynicism/criticism/visions of change. In order to have the positive voice of vision, there has to be the ability to see the need for change, be critical and then voice a pathway to the change. There cannot be empty utterances of change without critical review.
As Amos proclaimed:
The question we need to ask, is it a modern prophet we need to voice vision or a dissident movement?
In this day and age, we understand our government is willing to arrest citizens. Perhaps the problem is not cynicism with a lack of a prophetic vision but the creation of a government atmosphere of subtle fear, causing self-censorship of vision? Self-censorship leads to dissident movements according to history. Prophetic voices speak keen insight to the world around them.
Klynn,
Thank you for your thoughtful comments. You asked,
The best answer is “yes!” — we need both, because the dissident movement needs a vision to provide direction. Without it, the dissidents will go off charging in any number of directions.
It is instructive to watch the “Tea Party” in this regard. They proclaim that they have no leaders. The biggest self-poll they’ve conducted so far identified Ron Paul, not Sarah Palin, as best articulating their goals(?). And yet, it is Palin who draws the biggest crowds. Her “vision,” such as it is, is largely negative, and the positive part is mostly covert (e.g., racist). The “Tea Parties” have stirred up the Republican base, but their lack of vision that can be proclaimed in public makes them directionless.
Bob in AZ
I think more people were drawn to Obama as a symbol of overcoming one of our nation’s greatest challenges, racism. As a country which founded the Bill of Rights, founded volunteerism and created a civil rights movement, Obama seemed to be a reflection of “the strength of the good” of our nation, as opposed to a potential modern prophet to lead a movement of change. Many looked at the “history” being made in his being elected, not the change.
It would have been nice if the symbol of his life was also the force of change.
“Always listen to the cynic.” – Nietzsche
Excellent diary. Thanks.
I love it!!! Thanks for that. :)
Whether you feel Barack Obama’s pre-presidential writings to be designed purely to get him elected (*cough*Larue*cough*) or a sincere effort to illuminate the man he hoped/imagined himself to be ideologically, there’s no denying that the values he put forth in those writings fit – albeit more loosely for some than for others – into a mold most of us would label “progressive.”
But here’s the thing about labels…
This is from the first chapter of the Tao Te Ching. For me it speaks volumes as regards our discussion here.
Diarists and front pagers alike struggle mightily here at FDL to distinguish between the predominate ideologies of our politics (Left and Right) and ultimately (quoting The Buffalo Springfield) to…
[emphasis added]
At 15 I highlighted Bob’s citation from Charles Derber’s review of the Nader book…
…and I can tell you from long (35 years), personal experience that the Left/Right divide and its attendant posturing virtually disappear when one works at the civic (local) level.
This is not to suggest there is anything wrong with coming here to champion Lefty ideals; to point and laugh at Righty nonsense; or to call out government bullshit at the national and state levels. Each of these is therapeutic at a minimum (e.g.,“Dag, those teabaggers are crazy, aren’t they?” “Absolutely.” “O.K., just making sure.”) and, at full effect, an invaluable public service (What the fuck do they MEAN, “The Oil is Gone”?! [or] They’re not indicting Bush/Cheney et al., on torture charges?! [or] No, this most certainly is NOT health insurance reform!).
But such Loud Lefty (and Righteous Righty) posturing creates pure turbulence at the local level.
There, problems shed the theoretical mantle with which they are regularly imbued in national venues and become real. Discussed at the national level – whether through computer keyboards, magazines, television cameras, or radio microphones – challenges are a bunch less tangible. Such hands-clean vantage points make it easy to assign names to things (this is Left; this is Right) and to forget that we really are all in this together.
But get your hands dirty – get local – and things we blithely, brusquely name in our national discourse become real. You can shake their hands. They attend city council meetings and look you in the eye, beseeching your concern and problem-solving assistance. Thoughts of Left and Right abscond. All that matters is finding, proposing, championing and implementing working solutions.
It’s the old saw: Nothing succeeds like success.
The most effective local solutions are replicated in communities across the country. Let pundits and partisans try to label them as Left or Right. As long as they work, who gives a shit?
I agree!
Thanks for your contributions.
Your comments connect to a larger pattern: Much of the brickbats from the Left are of the form: “Why don’t THEY do what I want them to?” or “THEY are nothing but dirty rotten scoundrels because they won’t do what I want them to do.” These are mainly just cheap cat calls. The better path is to (1) get in touch with the values and beliefs that motivate you
(2) decide what you can do to promote those values and beliefs, right where you are.
In short, focus on what we can do, individually and together.
Bob in AZ
That’s because these “brickbats” are coming from people who worked their butts off to elect THEM because THEY made promises to do just those things. Betrayal is tough on its victims sometimes.
Does that mean that FDL will not allow the advocacy of street demonstrations such as those that occurred a year ago in Terhan?
Here’s another great comment on the topic of Cynicism, Pessimism, Optimism and REALITY… it’s Brilliant in its addressing of the situation, speaking truth to power – nothing cynical, nothing optimistic, nothing pessimistic well maybe, but keep in mind its being pitched to Slaves IE US Working Class.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
I submit we have nothing to lose. WE are Balls to the Wall and only deeply organized measures to shift the paradigm will work.
The one bit of the Carlin vid which I don’t think is correct or even healthy is:
That really doesn’t jive with history. Things get worse, things get better. Right now, imo, things are going to get much worse before they get better. But that’s not the same as saying things are never going to get any better.
Thanks for this, Bob!
Excellent thought- and conversation-provoking article, Bob. Many thanks for taking for this on. In earlier eras we had our heroes. Who are our heroes today?
Great post indeed and great discussion, all.
As for heroes, howzabout Julian Assange?
When I heard about wikileaks, ‘hero’ was the first
word that came to mind, and that word doesn’t often
come to mind…
Very interesting choice you made, nycterrierist. What adjectives would you use to describe him and what he has done? Provocative? Purposeful? Outrageous? Fearless? Deeply committed?
I’m sincere in asking, because there are not many heroes today. I was thinking of ones from an earlier era and what attributes they had that distinguished them and made them heroes of that time. And there was quite a mix: MLK, Che, Abbie, Kovic, Malcolm, Bobby, etc.
re: Assange. I would say all the epithets you name are apt.
What most inspires me about his project is that he’s not only
speaking truth to power, he’s using their own words! pretty elegant
gesture, brilliant strategy and esp. appalling to see the govt. in our so-called democracy rushing to demonize him. what he’s doing is a fine piece
of pedagogy (but not only that). it’s just nice to see someone
with integrity, strategic intelligence and true ‘audacity’: we need all 3 components in our heroes.
I’d like to add one more adjective, too. Innovative.
All the people I listed, and the ones I didn’t, were innovative. And so is Assange, as you know.
There are some problematic issues, with both the post, and much of the comments, and that is this:
There is a tacit assumption that there is some “achievable end state.” This is not true.
We live in a dynamic set of circumstances; always have, always will, and the big point being that today’s circumstances flex faster than in previous eras.
There will never be a point where there is not a struggle between forces for the general good, and for the good of the few. How one swims in that river depends on one’s psychology.
Persuasion beats violence very time, and so does merely showing up to play. As Woody Allen said [paraphrase] “99% of life is showing up.”
When posts tend to cover the news of the day and the current actions of our political critters, of course there is going to be cynicism. Our government is currently doing a lousy job and the news of the day tends to provide ever clearer evidence of this.
But I think that FDL’ers pluck up when our champions get a rare appearance on stage to light a better way forward. For example: From what I’ve read, FDL’ers seem to think that Warren would do a great job if appointed.
I agree about the descent…the sort of snarky, sarcastic cynicism here is overplayed…and I am not talking about being Pollyanna. But that sort of snide stuff is really just venting and accomplishes nothing and often sets a lousy tone. Some years back a psyche writer wrote about contempt as the refusal to mourn. I think of that often in some of the caustic remarks; what we are witnessing is indeed sad/tragic in many cases. Perhaps a spirit of true mourning and relief would help some of us move into more effective action….not sure. Just thinking…..
That’s a very good comment. These days I feel as if we all need to move to do something – not quite sure what but it is okay to mourn.
Just re-reading this interesting thread.
Good point about ‘refusal to mourn’.
Perhaps we should declare a national day of mourning
for the American middle class?
working class has been screwed for a long time, too, but the death of
the middle class gets the point across better.
get out of my head, Rev ! :D
am just coming out of a self imposed mourning period – resolving to act more on the grass roots level, place less live or die emphasis on national electoral politics
Once upon a time, a rich elite scumbag, floated the notion through the media, that in order to have great leaders, there have to be financial rewards. Just serving one’s nation was just not enough to encourage the brightest (rich offspring) to jump into politics. Boy was that a stupid idea, huh? Now nothing but corruption top to bottom in many, many nations. Few nations on the globe have political leaders. What we all have are corrupt silverspoon using, garbage. Cynic? Or realist?
“If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.” Zen Master Linji
As a Marxist I find this interesting (I wrote a doctoral dissertation on an aspect of this discussion) so here are my two cents. I am not cynical, yet I do not believe that “revolutionary transformation” (from the second quote above) is compatible with “progressive reform” (from the second quote). Rather than being reformed, capitalism must be destroyed and replaced with an entirely new system built upon the productive apparatus capitalism has provided us with. This new system will replace the rule of capital as mediator (deciding what is produced, for whom, using what methods) with a democratic system purposed with meeting human needs rather than the needs of capital. What I am saying is that reform and revolution are not compatible, and in fact often work to opposite purposes. Here is a quote from University of Iowa philosopher Tony Smith that spells out the differences:
If you want to overcome cynicism, point to a better future. Organize for change while emphasizing that half-assed half-measures will only perpetuate exploitation, that ending capitalism and its replacement with a more humane system is both possible and essential.
Thus hope means doing more than just saying “let’s all be hopeful now.”
“Optimists are mocked.”
They certainly are. :o)
Especially, when they want us to be optimistic about Obama’s sustaining and escalating George Bush’s policies in Afghanistan.
Bob: Lily Tomlin nailed it, years ago:
“No matter how cynical you get, you can’t keep up.”
When Obama utterly bailed on the public option, and then killed the Dorgan amendment that would have allowed for the re-importing of inexpensive foreign drugs, it made me feel cynical. How did it make you feel?
Cynical! but not surprised.
For Obama and Obama-apologists to dismiss cynical reactions to their handiwork is crazy-making.
Why cynical when it could as well be disappointed? Enraged? Something has to go beyond cynical to feel empowered, I think….
Inspired, I think. If we’re going to accomplish something we must be inspired to do it.
Fair enough, RB How about ‘fed up’?
and super-motivated not to enable any more of it?
Amen.
This whole post casting criticism on those that are realists and understand how things will play out is insane. Sure, it is great in an election year trying to rally your base, but pshh.. thanks for playing, but you’re full of it.
Look at how those prophetic people were treated, MLK? Malcolm X? If they were a perceived threat they were killed, foreign or domestic, it doesn’t matter. There will never be a hero to rally around. They all are fallible and corruptible. I reference Obama.
Corporatocracy rules the day and we’re SOL. All this junk is for show. The republic is broken, plain and simple.
I just want Bob to give us the name or names of the visionaries who aren’t being taken seriously enough.
some cat called Jeremiah mentioned upthread
Mook; I saw that, but I don’t know who it is. My bad.
But I sure know who Mr. Centrist Obama is, and if Bob wants us take someone espousing Socialism and Cooperativeness more seriously (Which I’m certainly willing to consider…) then I feel obliged to invite him to be more cyinical about Barack Obama, since he is demonstrably a light-year or three away from being a progressive prophet, despite the fact that he sounded like one on some major campaign statements he uttered, to supposedly differentiate himself from George Bush’s (and John McCain’s…)savage idiocy.
Nader and Chomsky.
I seriously doubt that they or anyone else that promotes democratic socialism by name would ever be found as panelist at a Netroots Nation Conference.
Thanks, everyone, for keeping the discussion percolating here.
In response to your question, and in brainstorming mode, let me name a few:
* Nader, when he’s not running for president;
* Dennis Kucinich is often a voice for the conscience of the Left
* Jim Wallis (Author of Why the Right gets it Wrong and the Left doesn’t get it)
* Rabbi Michael Lerner and the community of spiritual progressives at Tikkun (see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikkun_%28magazine%29)
* Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel
Who else?
Bob in AZ
Bob, thanks for the comeback. It IS a lively thread, in’t it? :o)
But, I note (and was glad to note) that in #77, Obama didn’t make the cut for your prophets list. (My 2c, that shows a healthy…cynicism…:o) )
Of the ones who did, a general assessment of their worldview(s) would seem to be:
“Hi, everyone. If we want to keep the ball rolling in amurka, and not succumb to some sort of corporate 4th Reich, we’re going to need to make some REAL changes in the direction and job-description for the Federal Government.”
Which, it’s fair to say, also happens to be a pretty good description of what Barack Obama WAS saying when we handed he and the democrats the keys to the White House and the Congress.
Now: since he’s in a great (Or was in a great) position to implement some of those…prophetic…changes, but instead has chosen to try to protect the status quo as if were his children, I have to say, some cynicism is called for. In fact, MORE cynicism is called for…and the reason I say that is because at this point it’s painfully obvious that the only thing the man responds to is a good, sharp, political poke in his centrist ass.
Which is exactly what we did when he ran like a hare when Breitbart and Faux got after him and “made” him throw Sherrod under the bus for her “racist” comments. That was cynicism in action. We got all “negative” about it; gave him a good glute-smack, and he came around a little bit, and apologized and offered her another job.
(I know, a day later, he backslid when he whined that the big, bad, media had made him roll over and piss himself like a little puppy when the asshats got after him, but when we made him eat her forced resignation, it was a reminder that we can affect him some. A small win, but in these cynical days, a badly needed one, right?)
We can only hope that it will have some after-effects…say, along the lines of reminding him that Elizabeth Warren needs a job, and we need a Wall Street regulator or 8, who doesn’t ascribe to the notion that what’s good for Goldman Sachs is necessarily good for america.
If Obama ignores her and picks yet another Fox to keep an eye on the financial hen-house, then I fear that’s going to increase progressive cynicism. :o)
Actually, she doesn’t. She already has several. But we need her to head the Consumer Financial Protection Agency. There is no one better suited for that job. None. Not one.
Bob in AZ
Ah, you are very observant. But if you actually study the Hebrew prophets, you will discover that most of them were not saints (for that matter, most of the saints were not “saints” in the sense usually attributed to them.) They, too, were people who had to confront the realities of life. Martin Luther King, Jr., for example, was no saint (I won’t go into details). But I don’t think that diminishes the greatness of his prophetic vision. Even today, listening to his speeches– even the ones less well known, or to the less familiar parts of the well known ones– is a chilling experience, for his uncanny ability to speak Truth where truth was–and still is– badly needed.
Your original request that I was responding to, was
Obama’s vision, in The Audacity of Hope, has been taken very seriously– but it is interesting how few people challenge the vision itself. Mostly what has been challenged is Obama’s failure to enact all the changes that we expected from him. (“How’s that hopey changey thing working out for you?”) So I think Obama’s The Audacity of Hope may indeed qualify as an important prophetic vision, quite apart from his lack of success in realizing it as president.
Bob in AZ
It is neither cynical or fatalistic to identify the current state and direction we are going or to express dissatisfaction. But to do nothing and just complain is the same as being a cheerleader for the current state of affairs.
I am a VERY simple man. I humankind as basically 4 types of people. Those who live to step on others, those who live to help others up, those who seek approval, and those who exist to detract. I know no one who is purely one type or another. I know my efforts to help others are not producing results that impress me lately. Honestly, any suggestions?
We need our Progressive prophets, and we need to honor their vision, even when they seem to have feet of clay.
There are no prophets–nobody can see into the future–and Obama merely stated things that matched our own visions which is why we supported him. It is certainly not Obama’s vision alone.
I find it very dangerous to say we need to honor Obama and his feet of clay. That’s tantamount to blind Christian faith. Maybe we could honor the man who is trying his best to do a difficult job but we certainly don’t need to honor the man who has done the damage to our constitution, has sold out his core constituency at every turn, and who appears bought and paid for by corporate interests. There is nothing honorable about that and feet of clay does not begin to describe it.
Blind faith in any leader is an abdication of your responsibility as a citizen of this country to hold the government accountable to the people.
Well said, Figaro. I’m having debates with liberal friends who want to stay the course with Obama, as he stays the course, in Afghanistan.
They say: “He’s the president. He has access to information we don’t have. We have to trust him.”
Which advice could have been lifted verbatim from the excuses conservatives had for supporting Bush’s policies, years after they were shown to be bloody, astronomically expensive failures.
You’re taking Dailykos much too seriously.
‘Dog: Such cynicism! :o)
Seriously, arguing with the liberals who are sticking with Obama has become interesting, in that I get to watch them twist themselves into pretzels while they try to stay the course with Obama without sounding like Condoleeza Rice or Dick Cheyney. Do you know how hard that is? :o)
Of the Time magazine cover of the poor woman who’d been mutilated by the Taliban, which is being used by some progressives to justify their light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel logic, I asked a good friend if she knew how many innocent women and childen had been killed and maimed in the drone attacks which Bush began, and which Obama has increased.
That pretty well tore it, and within about two heated minutes, the friendship was at an end.
It was a surprise, but I think it’s also a harbinger of things to come. Obama is probably going to spend the last two years of his time in office as one of the lamest lame ducks in our political history. I think the people defending him are going to become about as frantic and irrational as some of the BushHeads were as they stuck with him until the bitter end.
Maybe I’m just reading that sentence wrong. I would have preferred the term visionary instead of prophet. Sorry about that. My ‘organized religion’ bigotry is showing.
That’s not what I wrote. You’ve twisted my words. I said we should honor The Audacity of Hope (at least, those parts of it that inspire us), and not let Obama’s feet of clay invalidate what he wrote.
Bob in AZ
Actually you’ve twisted your words.
We need our Progressive prophets, and we need to honor their vision, even when they seem to have feet of clay.
You say in this sentence that we need to honor their vision, even when their vision (they) have feet of clay. Their vision can’t have feet of clay so I assumed you were referring to Obama. My bad. But I stand by my point that it is not Obama’s vision that needs to be honored but our own. Giving Obama credit where no credit is due is my main problem with this post. It is nice to have a glass half full outlook, just don’t whitewash reality to do so. We are the ones who need to be honored, not our so called prophets. They are merely agreeing with what we all believe. We are the one’s telling the truth and not being heard.
The prophetic view is not to see into the future….it is truth-telling commentary, at least in the traditional sense.
We can create change by showing the absurdity of how progressive idealism and “centrist” realism/so-called pragmatism are falsely framed. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is crazy, I hear. So, how is it practical to coddle the banksters and expect a better result the second time around for America?
Given a corrupt, gamed financial system, the practical, realistic approach is progressive idealism. The Third Way framing is total BS. We can and should win the framing message war if we reframe it, and turn the dysfunctional conventional thinking on its head, right-side up again. This is what Boies, Olson and Judge Walker are doing on marriage equality.
- Tom
ever feel like the Matrix may be real.
I’m a cynical person at times but end up either feeling optimistic eventually, or at least feeling that there still exist many things that make life wonderful. Usually that is after meeting good people, especially in unexpected circumstances, or reading something that really resonates or seeing some natural wonder. What really gets my cynical irish up is not the bad guys. They do what they are advertised to do. What really gets me is people I agree with on many fundamental issues writing such things as Obama has feet of clay, or in other words lacks the courage of his righteous convictions. Same with Obama got snookered by the Rasputins who managed to become his kitchen cabinet. Enough!
This post had a lot of great thought behind it, but I feel it could use a touch of cynicism to clip some of the un-reality which renders optimism useless. Obama is and was a sham. It hurts, but we’ll eventually get over it. It doesn’t do us any good to stay with obvious non-solutions to today’s massive problems. Better to focus on better solutions such as themalcontent provided, while showing the national parties our cynical sides as powerfully as possible. Lots of good responses and overall a good article.
Cynicism is not something one “descends” into, as if it were a pit removed from normal life. It is part of normal life. It is often a synonym for realism, for an informed response to the repeated behaviors of those we entrust to lead us. The word has been around since the Romans coined it; the perspective has been around since we came down from the trees. It is a recognition of the harm we often do to one another and to ourselves.
Optimism is the insistence that survival, an adequate vicotry, some sufficient good will come out of a situation, when the odds of it doing so are slim. It’s why we don’t throw ourselves into the pit. Think Churchill during the Battle of Britain. Blind optimism, however, is magical thinking that quiescent peasants can defeat a Roman army, a farmer can defeat a hired gun without Shane, or Melanie’s goodness is sufficient to survive an onslaught of carpetbaggers without the toughness and will of Scarlett O’Hara.
Like blind optimism, cynicism can be manipulated by liars, cheats and thieves. It is cynicism alloyed with optimism that leads us to verify as well as trust; to defend ourselves as well as to trust that others will do so; to shake hands on a deal, but only with others who have done so and fulfilled their bargains with performance, not excuses.
Melanie was optimistic in a biblical, self-sacrificial way. Scarlett was optimistic that tomorrow would always be another day, but she worked hard to make it so. Melanie was good; Scarlett survived. Focusing only on their optimism and cynicism misses their generosity and their selfishness, their empathy and their narcissism, their energy and their will to survive. And it leaves out the evil and oppression they both contended with.
Cynicism alone becomes an excuse for inaction. Blind optimism alone makes us foolish fodder for predators. Optimism alloyed with cynicism gives us hope and makes us endure.
Cynicism is the attitude of the ‘realists’, the ones who believe that they can fool the rest of us that by continuing to support what is wrong, we can get to what is right.
As a world class pessimist and cynic perhaps I shouldn’t even comment here. However I would like to offer what has worked for me and may still work on a macro scale: Calmly planting seeds. With humor and intelligence continue to point out the absurdity of politics in every forum (soil) that you can. Network. With diligence and faith that it is the right thing to do even if it may never bear fruit.
Then, wait for things to collapse. Because that will be the moment when preparation meets opportunity.The better we do our job now, the better chance we will have of outmaneuvering the brownshirts.
Cynicism is never having to say you’re a hypocrite.
Bob, Obama is invalidating himself. And the bitter truth of it is that he’s the only one who could have done it.
Honoring the vision of others seems like a huge waste of a valuable resource and an acknowledgment that we have no vision of our own. I prefer the bottom up approach and not the top down approach. There are plenty of smart people on this site alone who could replace every one of the prophets Chomsky, Nader, et al. Let’s give them the credit they deserve.
The only vision I will be honoring and nurturing and fighting for is the progressive vision of the constitution. I could care less about Obama’s “Audacity of Hope.” As one famous idiot once said, “How’s all that hopey changey stuff working out for you?” That isn’t cynicism. That is looking at the reality of the world and trying to find a path forward instead of trying to find blame elsewhere for our lack of progress. The only person I can blame for our situation is myself for spending the last 20 years voting for the least objectionable candidate. I am the one who has caused the collapse of the Democratic party and for that I am truly sorry.
Instead of looking for leaders to get us out of this situation, I think everyone should look in the mirror. It is our votes that have lead to this situation. We have followed the path of Orwell willingly and we should know better. If we don’t hold our leaders accountable, then we deserve what we get.
“…but if you actually study the Hebrew prophets…”
Could be, but like most of us, I’m willing to leave them unread.
That is; religous zeal is part of the reason things are so fucked up. It’s part of the problem and I don’t see how it’s going to become part of the solution.
Now, if you can come up with a kind of Vatican for secular humanism, then you can count me in. :o)
I would agree about Obama’s vision initially being taken seriously. That’s why, in 2008, the electoral vote count was 365 for Obama and 173 for McCain.
Unfortunately, he hasn’t been eating enough carrots or something, because his vision has become very cloudy.