There are two Pat Buchanans.
There’s the curmudgeonly right wing rascal who yuks it up with the gang on Morning Joe. This Pat is certainly a right winger, but is treated as a mainstream commentator. Then there’s the Pat Buchanan who compares an accused Nazi war criminal to Jesus Christ. Somehow, by posting his rantings (including truly loony criticisms of Darwin and evolution) on his “The American Cause” website, this second Pat manages to stay under the radar.
I think it’s time for the other Pat to get a bit more exposure. He wrote an interesting piece yesterday, putting an extremist anti-government group called the Oath Keepers in a favorable light and declaring that the group’s leader (or “founding father” as Pat calls him) is headed for “cable stardom”. (To be fair, I guess Pat might know what it takes for a right wing extremist to make it on cable).
Who are these Oath Keepers who have caught Pat’s eye? In a “nut”shell, they are a group preparing to fight a second American Revolution if the Obama administration comes for their guns and imposes martial law.
The group’s website describes itself as an organization of active-duty or veteran military and law enforcement personnel pledged to uphold their oath to defend the Constitution against “all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Those “enemies” include a “federal government…bent on taking away people’s rights and freedom.” The Oath Keeper’s site lists a number of orders they will not obey, including any order to “turn American cities..into giant concentration camps.” The idea is that Oath Keepers in the military and law enforcement may be the only thing standing between democracy and an authoritarian state imposed by the Obama administration.
The “founding father” of this group who Pat has pegged for cable stardom explains that “the whole point of Oath Keepers is to stop a dictatorship from ever happening here.” The head Oath Keeper pledges to fight alongside the American people if they decide it’s time for a revolution, and his group’s website features supporters who compare President Obama to King George III and claim President Obama’s America is like Hitler’s Germany.
The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist groups, says the Oath Keepers “may be a particularly worrisome example of the Patriot [militia] revival.” Mark Potok of the SPLC notes that “what’s troubling about Oath Keepers is the idea that men and women armed and ordered to protect the public in this country are clearly being drawn into a world of false conspiracy theory.
Well, these conspiracy theorists who are telling active duty troops and law enforcement personnel to get ready for an attempt by the Obama administration to impose martial law and force Americans into detention camps are getting some cover. Good old Pat Buchanan has given his blessing. It would be interesting to hear more from Pat about his views on this group–why he refers to the group’s leader (“Brother Rhodes”, Pat calls him) as a “founding father” and why he leaves the concentration camp stuff out of his puff piece.
Buchanan suggests that the real problem isn’t groups like the Oath Keepers, it’s political and media elites who seem to have “lost touch with the nation and to be wedded to a vision of America divorced from reality.” That’s interesting–I’d have thought the people fantasizing about the Obama administration imposing a dictatorship are the ones “divorced from reality.” It would be interesting to hear Pat Buchanan explain why a group telling its members to be prepared to fight a second American Revolution are the clear-eyed realists in this equation.



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Aargh! That’s a very frightening bunch. I’ll put a link to this diary in comments at mine, where I discuss the delusions of gun owners in general.
yeah, the scare tactics re: Obama taking away guns are irresponsible, especially since at least one person seems to have turned the crazy rhetoric into murderous action http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/was-pittsburgh-shooter-driven-right-
Chris Matthews has been hammering folks like the “oathkeepers”
did you see Hardball last night. Matthews has been hammering on like minded groups for months now. Will not let them off the hook.
Buchanan is a tough one to figure out. he stood against he invasion of Iraq, has stood up to the I lobby for years (and has been defined as an anti-semite because of it) stands against a military confrontation with Iran , and actually really likes Obama (it is obvious)
At the Dem convention in Denver last summer as I stood in front of the stage while Buchanan was going on and on in a positive light about Obama’s speech. I shouted out “come on Buchanan we know you are a closet Dem at the very least an Independent” He turned looked over his dark glasses and smiled.
When Buchanan looks like he is in the middle on some issues you know the middle has shifted
hardball
Oathkeepers Paranoid Patriots
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#33350314
yeah–the Oath Keepers web site attacks Matthews…glad he is taking this group on. Buchanan is an odd one, as you say–he is an old school “America First” right winger–wants us to stay out of foreign wars in many cases, opposed to immigration, concerned that America is no longer a white person’s country. his right wing brand of populism sometimes leads him to interesting positions e.g. his opposition to the war in Iraq. unfortunately, it also leads him to defend right wing extremists
Now is not the time for Democrats to isolate others on the topic of gun ownership. Let’s get health care. Let’s do away with DODT and DOMA. Let’s strengthen FISA. But let’s not try to take the right of gun ownership from law abiding citizens.
There is nothing in this post or the comments about gun ownership being opposed, the issue arises solely from this comment.
Equating agitation toward revolution with gun ownership strikes me as a scary indication of where any commenter making that connection really is tending.
thanks Ruth, exactly right.
no one is talking about taking away guns. The piece I wrote here says nothing about taking away anyone’s guns. There is a difference between legitimate concern and unfounded speculation, the rhetoric about Obama and guns falls in the latter category. Let’s focus on facts and what is really being discussed, rather than baseless assertions that Obama is coming for everyone’s guns. It’s not happening, and no one is talking about this (if anything, the Supreme Court has been moving toward strengthening protections for private gun owners)–except paranoid groups like the Oath Keepers. My post says nothing about taking away anyone’s gun, and it makes me wonder (as Ruth observes) where this concern comes from–where is the evidence that anyone is trying to end private gun ownership?
All I said was in case anyone wants Democrats to take up legislation regarding gun control – now is not a good time. Two years from now might be better for those inclined to want stricter gun control legislation.
As far as “equating agitation toward revolution with gun ownership” – I don’t feel that way, but I think that the oath takers do. I think that the oath takers will twist ANY and ALL attempts to regulate guns into some sort of call to revolution.
I’d hate to lose House seats in 2010 just because a few people make demands regarding changes to gun control laws. I had rather Independents and weary former Republicans not equate Democrats with taking away their guns.
I did not say that the author of this piece did that, but I did think that that was where the conversation would turn and so I spoke preemptively.
I don’t think anyone is taking up gun control legislation. I’m not sure what the Oath Takers are working from when they argue someone is trying to take away their guns–there’s no pending legislation that I know of. who are the “few people” demanding changes to gun control laws? I just haven’t heard anything about this…leaving aside the questions of whether it’s a good idea or politically helpful (or not).
gun control is not a main stream liberal issue anwhere near as much as it was in the 80′s which is where the rightwing brain is completely stuck. my own personal feeling is that the scotus has come down on the side of 2nd ammendment being an individual right. “guns”, at least the kind that are flying off the shelves at wal-mart, have bcome obsolete war fighting weapons. what do the “oath keepers” or the KKK or any other militia/patriot/revolution type group think they would DO with these guns?? fight against modern American infantry units,armed with attack helicopters .50 caliber machine guns and all of the night vision equiptment? it would be a short fight.
sorta o/t but I gotta add that I loved Alan Grayson’s line about wingers idea of health reform is being able to bring guns into the ER.
that’s funny
I would love to see Rachel study this group and eviscerate it. And Buchanan’s ties to it. She’s taken on “Uncle Pat” before…
yep, that’d be nice–she is great with him
Those Crazy Christians at C-Street are newcomers when it comes to admiring the magnetic personality of some dictators. Pat Buchanan has for years been spinning his own unique narrative about WWII. In Buchanan’s version, the Great Statesman Der Fuhrer wanted peace. But he was a victim of Roosevelt and that war monger Churchill.
Every so often, Buchanan tries to rewrite the history of WWII. But it still comes out the same way, and it is not springtime for Hitler.
I can’t get over this statement Buchanan made, which you quoted: “But where is the evidence that Adolf Hitler, whose victims as of March 1939 were a fraction of Gen. Pinochet’s, or Fidel Castro’s, was out to conquer the world?” that pretty much speaks for itself–you don’t find very many people trying to argue Hitler might not have been a real threat to the world.
Pat Buchanan is not a “rascal.” He is a right wing bigot and a racist hate monger who has no business being on TV with normal people. He should have been fired long ago, but he is tolerated, because people do not take him seriously. They should, because he is a mean SOB, who’s hate has only moderated minimally with his age.
I agree. My point is that the Morning Joe crew (and other pundits who lend him credibility) treat as if he’s a cute, kinda wacky uncle or something. That’s Pat #1. Pat # 2, the real Pat, is the guy who defends accused Nazi war criminals (comparing them to Christ) and writes feel-good pieces about anti-government groups poised to fight a second American revolution against the tyrannical Obama administration. “Rascal” was meant ironically.