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And by the same battles I am referring to the same or similar complaints that the revolutionaries in France had during this time period. The source of most of this diary comes from a site dedicated to the French revolution by George Mason University and my general interest – as well as the main topic of this diary – is the social and economic conditions that lead up to it and what came out of it.
If one reads this history well, one cannot but see how a lot of the arguments that existed then still exist today. Fortunately, one thing we have learned over the years is that the use of violence to achieve these ends, or prevent them, rarely (if ever) results in their intentional purpose. IE they don’t work.
The writing at this site is very easy to understand and follows pretty much the same line as the one presented here on Bonjour la France and elsewhere, though in greater depth.
And what were the sources of contention at this time. For one, poverty and privilege. Resentment not just of the King And Queen but of all nobility. Though pressured into issuing a decree abolishing feudalism, it also presented another form of class distinction. One of property and income. Which did not set well with the commoners either.
For all its momentousness, however, the elimination of privilege did not bring an end to the social conflicts underlying the Revolution. Instead, it marked the beginning of another system of social distinctions, set forth in a new constitution introduced by the National Assembly. The most notable of these was the distinction between “active” citizens, who were granted full rights to vote and hold office, and “passive” citizens, who were subject to the same laws but could not vote or hold office. Membership in one class or the other was determined by one’s income level, gender, race, religion, and profession. With the Le Chapelier Law of 1791, the National Assembly further differentiated workers from property owners and banned worker associations as being harmful to national unity.
The National Assembly seemed unwilling to grant workers full political and social participation in the new society. One reason for this reluctance was the widespread fear of further unrest. Another was the strong belief among spokespersons for the Enlightenment that only those with a propertied stake in society could be trusted to exercise reason, or to think for themselves. Furthermore, many reform-minded revolutionaries argued that economic-based “combinations” formed by workers too closely resembled corporate guilds and would impinge on the freedom of the individual. – Social causes of the revolution.
Sound familiar ? The workers were of course incensed by this and retorted that they were not untrustworthy and in fact hard working and honest citizens. Referring to themselves as sans-culottes meaning they wore pants rather and the more effeminate breeches of the upper class. These sentiments were to prove to popular with a number of writes as well, using the term sans-culottes in reference to any of the ideals of the workers at the time.
Moreover, one may wonder whether the views associated with the sans-culottes extended much beyond Paris. All the same, the sans-culotte concept took on increasing political significance, because those in authority saw reflected in it the genuine working man. Thus the use of the sans-culotte in radical rhetoric led contemporaries to believe that rich and poor were in conflict throughout the Revolution. How this perception influenced the course of revolutionary events may be seen in the case of Gracchus Babeuf. Before the Revolution, Babeuf had been an agent for seigneurial lords, but after 1789, he became increasingly attracted to the idea of social and political egalitarianism. By 1795, he was leading a conspiracy, although his goals and plans remained vague. Nevertheless, the political authorities worried about class war; they considered him a dangerous egalitarian revolutionary and arrested him. At his trial, Babeuf delivered an inspiring attack on private property and endorsed a system of property sharing that many see as a forerunner of socialism.
All of this going in in Paris but those in the country side became aware of this as well, stirring the peasants there to take action against the lords and manors. All symbols of the inequality that existed there. But this affinity with the revolutionaries soon turned to resentment among the farmers and small town folk and eventually to armed counterrevolution.
I found the ending to this chapter to be particularly intriguing.
Thus in both towns and countryside, it seemed that the Revolution was not producing the hoped-for results. Instead of bringing unity and a quick, political resolution to the questions of 1789, as intended by its originators, the Revolution was producing further conflicts. What had happened? Had the revolutionaries expected too much? Did the fault lie with the new political elite, because they excluded the lower classes from the optimistic prospects for change? Or did the leaders, despite their commitment to social equality, find it impossible to avoid making private property (and the differences in wealth it necessarily generated) the cornerstone of the new society?
A question that is just as relevant today. For in doing so they merely replace one form of inequality with another. There by focusing the resentment of the common folk on a different group. One that would prove to be equally repressive in the end.
I’m not going to go into the events of the revolution itself for they have been covered in great detail already and in my opinion greatly exaggerated by far too many. The rain of terror that existed under Robespierre and the wars that France entangled itself in were in a large part the result of various attempts of the government(s) to try and satisfy the populace and still maintain vestiges of the old order. There by giving Napoleon Bonaparte the chance to raise to power so as to restore some form of order once Robespierre was gone.
There were positive results from all of this though with France ending slavery in it’s colonies and the establishment of public education and most importantly the the Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen which has been incorporated into their constitution and has been the basis for other constitutions as well.
But did the revolution, with all it’s upheaval achieve it’s goals ? I would say no since in the end all that it really achieved was the elimination of the monarchy and feudal system but replacing it with a system based on income inequality. Unfortunately this has been generally the case with other and/or similar revolutions as well.
Among the many documents at this site – there are more than 600 - are the writings of a large number of people at the time. Philosophers and leading officials and writers. One that I found particularly pertinent by Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel a German philosophy professor.
Hegel argued that the French Revolution failed because it had not been preceded by a prior Protestant Reformation, as in the German states. Freedom, he insisted, depended on a mental change; it could not be enforced politically.
And I would add that one of the biggest reasons was the insistence on hierarchical system based on some arbitrary socio/economic criteria. The outcome of this is nearly always the same. Where those that become increasingly disenfranchised no longer respect or give legitimacy to the system and the the system collapses.
I found the reading of this history to be very informative and enlightening. Giving me more insight as to how we here and in other countries/cultures got to were we are. I would highly recommend studying the information at George Mason University site. It does give a very in depth view of what was probably one the most important socio political events in history.



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One of the reoccurring themes I found through all of this is how even after the monarchy was disposed of and the feudal system abolished, that what ever governmental body was trying to write a constitution and make the laws, they would always appease the bourgeoisie and write it so as to give this group more power and/or say in the dealings of the country.
Bourgeoisie in this case referred to the wealthier people or those who did no manual labor for their income. Bourgeois were also those who lived from their invested income or property, thus “living nobly” and constituting a distinct social category that had its own representation in municipal politics.
– Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel
I’ve been saying and thinking for years now, the pace of the knitting needles has quickened in the past few years, but the PTB keep trumping Mz. DeFarge somehow.
What we do know and take refuge in is that this shat is not sustainable, as all empires are not.
Ours differs from others in history in the fact that we are one of the biggest contributors to poisoning, polluting and killing the air, the oceans and our fresh water sources at home and abroad.
So now, we got mama nature, econ failure, empire failure, and well with Iran/Israel and the like of nuke war, all THEM things to consider in the unsustainable theory.
I don’t like my species odds at this point.
My bad, rcc’d dude.
It’s not enough to be satisfied. Greed rules. I dare say that with death and taxes being a whole truth, we can know that greed is the third. Small consolation that distinction.
My bad rcc’d bro.
Salient points. Recc’d. The Marxists have long said that all the French Revolution did was to replace the old feudal order with a new one controlled by the property and business-owning classes, which is pretty accurate. The Reign of Terror was ended by the establishment of the Directory, which explicitly gave power to the propertied classes.
What I find most interesting is how the French Revolution is popularly portrayed in America, be it in the corporate media or in literature, with almost the entire emphasis being placed on the Reign of Terror or on the British perceptions of the Revolution and the subsequent wars which ensued. It’s not that those British perceptions don’t have value, they do, but they distract from what I consider to be the central lessons:
One–rising inequality of wealth is a key ingredient to revolutions. Two–Successful revolutions happen when the old regime loses the support of those it relies upon to keep it in power, like the military. Three–Revolutions necessarily are chaotic, and no one really knows what the end result will be.
In some ways, my favorite historical character of this time is Charles Maurice Talleyrand, the great diplomat who worked for the regimes of Louis XVI, Robespierre, the Directory, Napoleon, Louis XVIII, Napoleon again, and the monarchy yet again. The ultimate survivor.
There will be the most subdued revolution the world has ever seen or the most violent and bloody.
I have used Crane Brinton’s classic work on revolution for years.It simplifies the model to make it comprehensible.Drive by so sorry to not include a link.
Thanks. Recommended.
Here is a goody from the Times.
The conversation is getting more and more interesting. We are looking at the end of the post-Cold War world. Their propaganda was bullshit and now it turns out that ours was too.
I wonder if you might say a bit about what the site(s) said about the part religion played in both pre- and post-revolutionary times. I’ve read a wee bit in the past about the post-revolution ‘de-Christianizing’, then some restoration after Robespierre’s death. (I’m obviously very fuzzy on this, but I don’t have time today to look at the site.)
I was just thinking about how the clergy continually admonished the working classes in feudal England to ‘know their places as assigned them by God’ or the equivalent, so that encouraging craftsmen and tradesmen to ally in any collective bargaining was equivalent to sin. Or something.
And I’m probably wandering around Dobbin’s barn to get to the point that a change of consciousness is required for revolution, as in: rejection of, and a re-imagining of the propaganda pumped out by the aristocracy and religious teachings then, and the oligarchs, tyrants, political class, and their vassals, the MSM.
Any hints?
That is a good one, thanks. Surprised to see such an piece in the NYT.
One of my favorite quotes in reference to the French Revolution was made by Red Chinese Premier Chou En Lai in the 60′s. He was asked by a western reporter what he thought about the French Revolution and his reply was very interesting he said, “The Jury is still out on that one.” Certainly, Chou had a Chinese long view of the event and was also thinking of the Chinese Rev. in relation to it as well. What both our Rebellion and the French Rev. have in common is that they were essentially revolts of the middle/merchant classes of both societies against a landed hereditary aristocracy in both societies. Where they differed was in the French case the gravitational pull back to a despotic tyranny such as an Emperor and a new kind of royalty was just to strong in the end to overcome and the process would take over a hundred yrs. to a more stable Republican State. Here we made the leap to a Republic and we were able to hold onto it till just recently. What we have now is an increasingly Plutocratic State where almost all power is in the hands of a tiny untitled Aristocracy and their Corp. holdings. Our experiment with a Republican form of Gov’t is coming to an end in failure just as the French one did back then. In our case sadly it took far longer to happen and I suspect it will take far longer for us to get out of then the French example. Our founders had thought by dividing up power into three separate but equal parts no class or group would ever be able to seize all of it. They were sadly very wrong. The $$ classes with patience and planning have managed to do just that. They’ve counted on the ignorance and lack of foresight of the largely unwashed masses and they were right. Now any attempt to turn the tables will be met with a very strong reaction and force if necessary.
Oh they tell how because of the financial situation, that they took the land and holdings of the church and forced the bishops and such to swear allegiance to the state and revolution. A number of them refused to do so and were arrested.
Some of those who would not also joined the counter revolutionary forces.
There was also a movement to de-christianize France as well. But it did not get very far.
“the feudal system abolished” well, I’d say “renamed” …
“the wealthier people or those who did no manual labor for their income. Bourgeois were also those who lived from their invested income or property …”
Bourgeoisie is now called a “capitalist” and sans-culottes are now called labor, or human resources.
As Ohio Barbarian aid, “Successful revolutions happen when the old regime loses the support of those it relies upon to keep it in power,” like the workers, you and I. I would point out that the “old regime” is now the corporations, the government is merely the corporate vassals.
The most informative and relevant here is the reference to Hegel: “Freedom, he insisted, depended on a mental change; it could not be enforced politically.”
Since a normal “job” creates wealth for the corporate owner, the current system perpetuates more and more wealth accumulation by the current owners. Ironically, the masses fight each other for the privilege to create more and more profit for the current owners.
Under capitalism, a “job” creates wealth for the owner. Therefor, employee ownership accumulates wealth for employees. The best vehicle for equitable distribution [of profits] currently available in the US is the ESOP, or, arguably, the co-op.
But if I say this to anybody who spends their days creating wealth for an absentee owner, their pride is wounded, and they become defensive, and they attack me!
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!” Upton Sinclair
“This spending of the best part of one’s life earning money in order to enjoy a questionable liberty during the least valuable part of it reminds me of the Englishman who went to India to make a fortune first, in order that he might return to England and live the life of a poet.” Henry David Thoreau
“Reason is purposive activity. … What is rational is real and what is real is rational.” Hegel
“Under capitalism, a job creates wealth for an owner: so obviously a worker should also be an owner in order to obtain wealth.” Grey Wolf
Great diary ,rec’d.
“the insistence on hierarchical system based on some arbitrary socio/economic criteria.”; now, how far back in recorded and unrecorded history does that paradigm reach? :->)
“What I find most interesting is how the French Revolution is popularly portrayed in America,”; and you don’t find how the American Revolution is ‘popularly portrayed’ “interesting (I would say amusing)?
Thanks, David. Comment and link highly recd’. I love this part and was going to include something about it as well.
Absolutely !
It can’t be enforced politically but it must first rest on money then political rights to insure we get to keep our money by having a say in politics.
The diary entry was about the French, not the American, Revolution. They were very, very different. In France, a combination of things led to the point where the people could not afford to buy bread for themselves, much less their children, hence Voltaire’s observation that no government is more than three days away from a revolution.
The American Revolution started essentially as a tax revolt by middle class people who could afford to pay the taxes the British levied on them to pay for saving their asses during the French and Indian War, but the prosperous colonists didn’t WANT to pay. For that matter, the American Revolution would not have happened if the trans-Atlantic cable had existed then, for the British Parliament had already acceded to colonial American demands when the first shots were fired at Lexington and Concord, but the ship bearing the news was still in transit.
So, yes, it is interesting, and ironically amusing, to see the American Revolution portrayed as a revolt against a tyrannical King when said King didn’t even have the power to be a real tyrant over the British people themselves. The French nobility was another story entirely.
Ever see the “Horatio Hornblower” episode when the Royal Navy lands a French nobleman and his goons on the coast of France, and the British are horrified at the revenge taken on the townspeople by the aristocrat? Even the British officers then understand why the French Revolution happened. It’s telling.
Well said.
Thanks for that link. Like Tongorad said, I’m surprised to see such a factual article about capitalism published in the Times. The editors must have been on vacation that day.
One question: You say “our” propaganda turns out to be bullshit, too. Who do you mean by “us?”
kemosabe ?
Excellent point.
thanx
Oh…you mean how it is always about bad mean old King George and how he was so, so nasty to the poor colonists ?
When in fact it was really a rich mans fight and that Washington had a heck of time getting others to join in as the common folk – farmers, trappers, etc. – were very ok with the way things were and did not give a wet slap about the rich land owners and merchants gripes with England.
There will be the most subdued revolution the world has ever seen or the most violent and bloody.
As JFK wrote: “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
I hope not, but, it’s looking mighty bleak these daze…! 8-(
Great diary, cmk…!
Well, you never really hear about the ‘loyalists’ do you? :->)
Nope.
My ‘loyalist’ family fled the Hudson Valley for Nova Scotia, ubet…!
Yes….Canada did not have this argument with England and they all pretty much hailed from the same places Americans did.
How strange.
I believe the smart people create the narrative of conventional wisdom that defines the parameters of meaningless debates over false choices .Any accomplished street hustler could crack the austerity code in a few minutes ,yet those shackled to the narrative still debate austerity’s viability rather than viewing it as a confidence game .Therefore,I would posit the best minds on Wall St,,K St.Mad.Ave.and the street smart are smarter than than others because they maintain autonomy over their agency while exploiting institutional conformity and attendant linear reasoning to create a society of sheep .
Excellent diary! recc’d.
A couple of points.
The French Revolution was triggered by a financial impasse not unlike the one the United States is currently experiencing. France was a rich country, but the government was unable to raise taxes (after having incurred a huge debt to finance the American colonial revolt against England). Instead of a Senate blocking reform, it was the Parlement of Paris (essentially a court of law), whose consent was needed to register royal edicts. When the fiscal situation deteriorated rapidly in 1787 (the government had to roll over a large short-term debt), the King called an Estates General to declare new taxes. Since the government was over a barrel, the Estates held out for Constitutional Reform as the price of consent, and things went down from there.
The second point concerns the meaning of that Revolution. As in England at the time of the American Revolution, the established government was legitimized as ultimately as divinely ordained. To establish government on some other principle — say, consent of the governed–was not merely a technical matter, but uprooted the longstanding and deeply felt belief that only a divine order could keep society from descending into chaos. The greater part of the Loyalists who ultimately left the United States for Canada held that belief.
The lower classes were pretty much exploited by the Revolutionaries, who used the mob initially as a threat and subsequently in a series of power struggles. In the end, though, it gave the lower classes a sense and belief in their empowerment, something that seems to have been lost in the United States.
Very good diary! Thanks for pointing out that the French Revolution just exchanged the monarchy for the bourgeoisie, and the class war against the working class continued. Recommended!
The bourgeoisie have evolved into today’s ubber capitalists, the neoliberals.
The American Revolution made a similar transformation, from governors appointed by the English king to governors elected by wealthy, white, male American landowners.
It was Howard Zinn who explained to me that ‘surveyor’, which was Geo Washington’s profession, was what we would today call ‘land developer’. Plus ca change…
I have a tumbrel at the ready.
HA
Excellent diary. I’d recommend a reading of Edmund Wilson’s “To the Finland Station”, a history of socialist thought from the French Revolution to Lenin’s arrival in Russia. Wilson contends that the failure of the French revolution to deliver Liberte, Egalite and Fraternite resulted in the evolution of socialist thought on how best to achieve those noble aims. It contains a very moving piece on the trial of Babeuf and his defense.
“The bourgeoisie have evolved into today’s ubber capitalists, the neoliberals.”
“evolved” … nice. i said “renamed” ;->
potato, potatoe, … french fry … i see hyper capitalism, but, i deal in derivatives …
Humm….derivatives.
oh, reminds me of a phrase from a prof [class actions] – “the overlearned game problem,” which my definition was: “When a participant learns the rules of the game to such a heightened point that the rules can be exploited to achieve goals that are far removed, or even opposed, to the original intent of the game. ”
A subject of which I know just enough to make a total ass of myself.
Great diary, and rec’d. Greed is a hard animal to tame.
Greed, arrogance, self infatuation….all of them.
So few of us know what a tumbrel was and its meaning in regard to the French Revolution. Hegel is of course correct in that mental change must come first, but said change requires access to accurate information, which our “passive citezens” have little of. Heck, so few of us know anything about anything, nevermind the causes of the French Revolution, since it’s likely a subject that our modern day nobles, who control propaganda, would prefer to keep out of the minds of the commoners….I recall that J.E. Hoover referred to communists as “common-ists”.
What bothers me is that many of those who are realistic to point out that we seem to be fighting the same struggles over and over again seem to claim that ‘at least we’ve made slow progress’. But what if we haven’t? What if the opposite is true? What if, for example, slavery was never really done away with? What if it was just given a new name, and what if instead of bringing slaves here, we sent the work THERE and had people do it there under virtual slave conditions? And what if we used INFORMAL inequalites, such as via the injustice system, to create virtual slavery here?
What if the elites only APPEARED to give ground to the rest of us at times, planning to grab back whatever they had ‘given’ later, while finding roundabout ways to expand their system of power and control?
Good questions all. We don’t know.