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She did not die of cancer or a heart attack or a stroke. She did not have diabetes or any other disease. Some high BP but that is all. And she did not die of natural causes.
NO she died from the most likely cause these days after entering a hospital. She died of a hospital acquired infection.
Most likely CDIFF. She went in for a hip fracture. A common enough situation for an elderly person. But the out come has become far, far too common these days. As you can see from this piece from The Atlantic, you have a 1 in 17 chance of dying from an infection in a hospital.
The Health and Human Services department’s 2009 quality report to Congress found “very little progress” on eliminating hospital-acquired infections and called for “urgent attention” to address the shortcomings — first brought to light a decade ago.
Of five major types of serious hospital-related infections, rates of illnesses increased for three, one showed no progress, and one showed a decline. As many as 98,000 people a year die from medical errors, and preventable infections — along with medication mixups— are a significant part of the problem. MSNBC
And according to this report in WEBMD, the incidence of CDIFF is reaching epidemic proportions. And hospitals a loath to report this and that this particular bacteria has become more deadly and harder to treat each year.
C. diff disease can range from mild diarrhea to life-threatening colitis. The bug produces toxins that destroy the mucosal lining of the gut.
There are many different C. diff strains circulating in the U.S. But since 2000, one of these strains has gone from a minor player to become the most frequently isolated C. diff strain. The strain has several names. Referring to its genetic fingerprint, the CDC calls it NAP1. In Europe and Canada, it’s often called the 027 or BI strain.
The NAP1 strain of C. diff took off shortly after it acquired resistance to fluoroquinolone antibiotics. There’s some evidence it may also have acquired some resistance to Flagyl, one of the two antimicrobial agents used to treat it (the other is vancomycin).
Antibiotic resistance isn’t the only worrisome thing about NAP1. C. diff normally makes two toxins. The NAP1 strain makes 16 times more toxin A and 23 times more toxin B. And it also makes another toxin, called binary toxin, although it’s not yet clear how this toxin affects humans.
To date, the NAP1 strain has been reported in 37 U.S. states and in the District of Columbia.
A recent report shows that adult C. diff hospitalizations doubled between 2000 and 2005 to about 300,000 hospitalizations a year. That’s more hospitalizations than are seen with MRSA, which sends about 126,000 Americans to the hospital each year.
The CDC’s C. diff expert, L. Clifford McDonald, MD, tells WebMD that if you count pediatric C. diff cases and cases in the community that do not enter the hospital, there are probably half a million U.S. cases of C. diff infection each year.
And yes, it is an epidemic: The infection rate is going up by about 10% a year. But the death rate is going up even faster, says Marya Zilberberg, MD, adjunct professor at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, and president of the EviMed Research Group. WEBMD
And for my mother it was pure torture the entire time:
14,000 Americans die every year from diarrhea-causing C. difficile (or C. diff for short) infections and 337,000 people are hospitalized, according to a new report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Unlike other healthcare-associated infections that have been on the decline over the past decade, C. diff infection rates and deaths climbed to historic highs and “pose threat across medical facilities,” adding at least $1 billion in extra costs to the health care system, said the CDC Director.
The people most at risk are those who take antibiotics and also receive medical care in any setting. This could include a nursing home, hospital, doctor’s office, outpatient surgery center, etc. Those most at risk include people who have been in a hospital or other health care facility and have taken antibiotics in the past three months, especially those over age 65. About half of all antibiotics that patients are given are not needed, raising the risk of C. diff infections.
That’s unacceptable. Everyone receiving medical care should be concerned about C. diff because the effects can be devastating and sudden.
That was the case for Peggy Lillis, a public schoolteacher in Brooklyn. In April 2010, Peggy had routine dental surgery and took a common antibiotic to aid healing. Soon, however, she developed painful diarrhea. Peggy died of C. diff within just six days. Safe Patient Project.
A horrendous way to die. And totally preventable. That anyone would have to undergo such mal-treatment and suffering is unconscionable. That an elderly person would wind up dying under such horrible conditions is outrageous ! Far too many doctors and specialist are completely incompetent, inexperienced and concerned only about their own fiscal bottom lines.
A corrupt and uncaring health care system that is the very epitome of this corrupt and uncaring country. !
And the hospitals say nothing about this. Not one word. They do not tell you “Hey…you have a 1 in 17 chance of getting sicker here. And it could just kill you.” The media will not touch it but it needs toi be shouted from the roof tops.
I have myself experienced being sicker after a hospital stay of only 3 days. With all the symptoms of a mild (in comparison) CDIFF for at least a week after being discharge. And I was only there for some tests !
People our heath care system is killing us ! In a most brutal and tortuous manner as well. We constantly harp about the insurance aspect while our for profit heath care is committing negligent homicide with complete impunity.
This reason above all is why we need to completely nationalize it and make all health care professionals and facilities totally accountable for their actions and lack there of.



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You have my deepest sympathy, cmaukonen.
And everything you say about hospitals is spot on.
The day they care more about their patients slipping away than their billing records slipping away is the day this will start to change.
Awww, C….
I’m so very sorry to hear of this. And it’s truly abominable that people, like your mother, are suffering at the hands of a for-profit medical system, as system that should NEVER, EVER be run for profit, ever!
Thanks for the informative diary entry, this sounds like it’s happening all too frequently.
Let us know if there’s anything, you know?
Peace be with you and your family, C.
T.
So sorry to read this, CMaukonen. This is a terrible time for you. Many of us know the shock and loss at the death of a parent. That it happened the way it did is just terrible.
I’ve known several older people who went in for a hip or leg fracture, survived the surgery fine only to contract an infection.
My deepest condolences and I will say a prayer for her, you and your family.
CMaukonen, so sorry for your loss. I hope that your voice can be heard were it needs to be heard.
Do you have any idea of how our country stacks up against other nations in this problem?
omg! what a horror
I am so sorry for you and your family – and most especially for your mother.
(((cmaukonen & family)))
I am sorry for your loss. That it was preventable is unforgivable.
Cmaukonen. I am sorry to hear of your mother’s death. What a terrible loss. Take good care of your self in the coming days.
am so very sorry for your loss (((cmaukonen))), may the angels of grace and comfort surround you and yours
like many, I was loosely aware of this danger in a hospital stay, but no idea as to the level of horror and inhuman indifference – you honor her with this mitvah of informing us
“mitzvah”
Just awful, awful news. So sorry to read this post. Take care of yourself and your family.
Oh my God, (((cmaukonen))) I am so, so sorry.
I worked for a medical device company for nine years. The company aggressively addressed these infections from central venous catheters, and came up with a way to impregnate the catheters with a unique combination of antibiotics that have different mechanisms of action. The catheters were studied and found to be effective and the article was published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 1999.
You would be amazed at how many hospitals balked in the name of money, to go with the cheaper-type catheters that had no protection at all. Even if you had data in hand on the particular hospital’s specific infection rate, the purchasing department, or worse, the hospitals covered by gigantic buying group contracts often did not want to invest in these things. Over the years I have followed the various nosocomial infection stories, and I think the alarming CDC statistic is still valid: 99,000 people a year. Totally unacceptable.
I am so, so sorry, and our deepest sympathies are with you. May your mother rest in peace.
Thankyou so much everyone. It was not about her death as such but about the circumstances which are totally horrifying and completely unacceptable.
We need to shout this from the roof tops.
If I had my way I would make sure that all the crimes, inhumanity, torture and hideous acts of this country to be visited upon those who commit them and support them in spades.
So sorry,many years ago,i got a staff infection,after an operation….i decided after,one set of hands would touch a wound ,if it happened to me again,so sorry
Godspeed to your mother, cmaukonen. It’s painful to hear how much she suffered, and without need.
I used to remember a site that had a less conspiratory tone to it, and the studies showed slides showing the efficacy of the product, but this one on MRSA and colloidal silver is at least a starting point. C-diff and colloidal silver gets plenty of hits as well.
We use Sovereign Silver brand; from all I’ve read it’s just about perfect, and affordable. With all the bullshit warnings abroad, now even some nursing homes are starting to use it on bedsores, etc. We use it, or combined with our kids and their kids, for many different infections and disease processes.
If I have any say it in, I will never go to another doctor or to another hospital ever.
I am so sad to learn of this. My deepest condolences to you and your family. A terrible situation.
Silver is known for this, great stuff. Silver sulfadiazine is used topically in burns to this day, I believe.
Thanks for the info. HA ! In my electronics I am around and using silver a lot. Great stuff.
And you won’t find it at Walgreens or CVS but you can get it online.
http://www.mountainside-medical.com/products/Watson-Silver-Sulfadiazine-Cream-1%25-USP-85-gram-Tube.html
you smarty-pants…luv ya!!!
great stuff,use it on all my critters,even the tortisI
you da smarty – pants too….love you gals!
FYI in case anyone is interested.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver
Oh and I use silver solder for a lot of what I do. It is the standard when working with surface mount electronics but requires a really good iron as the working temp range is much narrower.
You might find this story of interest as well.
h/t to a Canadian on another blog.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2012/12/06/hospital-outbreak-ndm1.html
yes.
Aren’t silver solder fumes pretty dangerous? With colloidal silver, the particle size is the key to safety, although I have no idea any more what the ranges are. But I’m sure that soldering with silver isn’t akin to ingesting the colloidal kind. It’s the heavy metal buildup potential that’s most important. Do poke around about it, though. I just didn’t want to leave you or other readers with the impression that one is as safe, or beneficial, as the other.
Condolences. Sad story. We are all at risk, and it seems that we are powerless. So troubling. May your mother rest in peace.
I am so sorry, cmaukonen. My condolences to you and good thoughts for your mother.
No…lead solder is though. Silver solder has silver and tin and something else.
In fact lead solder is no longer approved for any commercial soldering. Especially not plumbing.
It’s a tragedy that you cannot grieve without feeling anger as well. Things like this should never happen and I’m so sorry it happened to you. My thoughts are with you.
My condolences, cmaukonen. This is sad and outrageous and unacceptable.
Love you too, your love for animals restores my faith in the human race.
Cool. Yeah, in my memory banks, I have read stuff like, when there was still silver in coins, the coin against the skin provided a coin-sized perimeter of protection. For some reason over the years there has not been resistance reported that is common in the antibiotic families.
My condolences, and I’m very grateful that at a time like this, you had the perseverance to tell us something we all need to know.
Where I am, people almost died when cleaning fluid got into their dialysis.
Dentists and doctors seem to be concerned far too much with the bottom line. Since I’m from a different age, I find this incomprehensible.
If medical care was “socialized”, dentists and doctors could focus totally on their jobs, but we have been brainwashed as a society to associate socialized medical care with “socialism” as a form of government, consequently we’ll never get anything better than what we got.
Again, my condolences and I admire your perseverance.
Here is a story today.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/29/bacteria-deadly-hospital-infection/1727667/
Sorry to read about your mother. My condolences.
A solution may be not to administer antibiotics by mouth, as they kill too many beneficial bacteria in the gut. Suppositories might be safer, as the do not pass through the upper part of the gut, injections more so.
I’m no doctor.
Medical opinion from someone?
So sorry to hear of your loss cmaukonen.
My thoughts are with you and your family.
Condolences, cmaukonen, to you and all of your family.
This is a big deal. Nearly everyone of my friends that I have informed has said that either someone they know or in their family or themselves have had something like this happen.
And they ALL have said how concerned they are about this trend and scared for those who they know who have to be hospitalized.
As one said “Get them out as soon as possible.”
We need to find something else besides pharmaceutical anti-biotics and soon or cancer and heart disease or any other of the biggies will become of tertiary importance.
In the many conversations I had with my mother up until her passing, I would bring up the problem of over population. My mother in her younger days worked public health as an RN.
She would always say to me, not to worry about that. Nature will come up with some sort of disease that will effectively wipe out half of the population.
I wonder if she knew just how prophetic that would be ?
We keep expecting that there will be some magic bullet to fix it all. What happens when we run out of bullets ?
The outlook for non-parma bacteria killers is grim, especially as the pharma based bacteria killers are rendered useless by their overuse, especially on from animals.
That is even if pharma want to find cures for anything. They make more money from treating symptoms, and then treating the side effects of the drugs used to treat symptoms.
One could look to Chinese medicine for some cures. 5,000 years of observing cause and effect should have some merit.
Humm…wonder what the Chinese situation is as far as hospital infection. As I understand it they still use a bit of the ancient treatments even in their modern hospitals.
My condolences for your loss but also my congratulations on your bravery in turning a personal tragedy into an opportunity to draw attention to a problem in the world. Thanks.
C, I am so sorry…such a big loss at any time. You
were certainly there for her. My thoughts and prayers for
your Mom and you and your family. Gentle, peaceful thoughts.
Bev.
sorry to hear of your loss. And it is even harder this time of year. I am sure she thought highly of you as her son!
My condolences to you and your family for the loss of your mother, esp in such a way. That is truly a shame.
This is why hospitals & other health care facilities are pushing patients out the door as fast as possible. You’re much better off recovering at home, if you are able to do so.
Sorry your mom had to go through that.
A sad, tragic story. Thanks for having the courage to report it. Deepest sympathies to you and yours.
thank you,they restore my faith in life,and goodness
just heard said,the full MEASURE OF A PERSON is the SIZE of their heart… best regards to MB too
when my family Laboratory,was dissolved by my brother(another story entirely) our chief lab tech was writing protocols for nosocomial infections. what a great loss that was.we provided nursing homes with lab services…..sigh
Wow. Well, I agree with her. I tell Fred, “You watch. A microbe will be the end of us. Especially if we keep blowing up the planet and disrupting their reservoirs and creating new ones.”
Heartbreaking. Just awful, again, I am sorry to hear this.
My condolances for your loss, her passing and it’s a good thing you do to shed light on this issue. Rcc’d.
that is all they want….CURES ,who needs cures?
The real tragedy here is…the more I read about this, the more I am convinced that if you get one of these infections, it’s pretty much a death sentence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbapenem_resistant_enterobacteriaceae
The fatality rate is 40% and that is what is reported.
My mother really had not chance.
USA Today.
i’m so very sorry cmauk
I’m so sorry for your loss, cmauken. I’m sorry your mother and her family had to go through such trauma.
Sorry to hear about your loss cmaukonen.
I can definitely agree with your point about hospital infections. My little brother got hit by a drunk driver while he was riding his bicycle, he ended up in a hospital. He eventually died from an infection that he acquired there.
What a horrifying, and undoubtedly true, story. Words fail to adequately express the swirling emotions that I feel.
As far as the medical profession goes, most of it has forgotten the Hippocratic Oath in pursuit of profit. Medicine and profit just don’t mix.
Nationalize the bastards!
Deepest most heartfelt condolences cmauk.
Both my ex-wife and father-in-law succumbed to hospital infection.
Condolences and shared outraged sadness, cmauk.
My sincere condolences for your loss. I had no idea about C. Diff, so thank you for the education, as well.
I’m so sorry for your loss. I’m aware of hospital infections but I didn’t know the incidence was so high. This is also like climate change in a way. Decades ago, scientists warned us to stop using bacteriacides for everything. Bacteriacidal dish soap, bacteriacidal hand wipes, bacteriacidal baby wipes, etc. They told us to stop because killing 99.9% of bacteria means that 0.1% survive and they reproduce to fill the niche left by their dead relatives and they pass their resistance on to their offspring. Just like climate change, those scientists were ignored at best and scoffed at at worst. Now the super clean children are all grown up and without important immunities and at a time when all of the artificially created super bugs are coming into their own. It’s not a bright future, regardless of what kind of efforts hospitals make. Their undeniable negligence compounds the problem, certainly but this has deeper roots than just that.
There are no words to adequately express my condolence for your tragic loss. I’m so sorry.
And the strength you demonstrate in writing so clearly about this…
I got C.Diff about 18 months ago and it was a terrible experience on so many levels. I was prescribed clyndamycin after a routine dental procedure. It was not even necessary. The dentist told me “just to be safe.” I fought it for a month during which I was never so alarmed about my health, indeed, fearful of the worst case scenario. I don’t think I’ll ever willingly take another anti-biotic in my life. I think I’d rather face an endgame that would require antibiotics to win over it than to face the same as the result of having been healed from the original infection. And I didn’t even have an infection to begin with
When I told my dentist he said, without any indication of alarm, “yeah, that antibiotic can be tough to handle…”
Furthermore – and I admit there is no way to establish a cause and effect – I now have Celiac disease. After 50+ years of loving and living on bread and immediately after riding myself of the C Diff, I was no longer able to eat anything that had even a hint of gluten. Again, I have no proof that my bout with C Diff led to gluten intolerance (though I’ve seen reports where others have suspected an association). But the timing of its onset is hard not to notice and to consider.
One other person I spoke with, in anger, was the pharmacist who gave me the pills. I asked him whether he might consider himself the last line of defense against unsuspecting customers and whether he felt obligated to warn everyone about a possible association between antibiotics, C Diff and the development of severe food allergies.. He told me to read the warning on the prescription label. I pointed out that nothing on that label suggested the potential for a life threatening illness resulting from a cure. He probably did not deserve my anger, but I hope he’ll think twice every time he starts to fill a prescription.
May you find your way to some peace.
I’m sorry for your loss, cmaukonen.
I remember discussing this type of thing with someone who talked about seeing a kid in the hospital elevator munching french fries and touching the wall and the floor button, how easily it would be for that kid to catch something during his trip to visit grampa. If I had kids, I’d hesitate to take them to visit at the hospital.
This is awful. For what it’s worth, you have my sympathy. And anger. This doesn’t have to happen.
so sorry, cmaukonen. my heart goes out to you and your family.
and thank you, especially at this precious junction, for warning us. i had no idea. the articles are not only talking about hospitals, but also any health care facilities like doctor’s offices.
First my condolences.
Second. A point rarely raised is that everyone and I do mean everyone over the age of 30 is at an elevated level of risk from bacteria resistant organisms such as Clostridium Difficile (C. Diff) and Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) compared to those under the age of thirty.
The reason for this is twofold:
• Those of us over thirty are old enough to have been routinely treated with anti-biotics for even minor infections.
• Those of us over thirty are old enough to have been routinely exposed to high levels of anti-biotic residues in dairy produce and meat particularly poultry.
There are other conditions that elevate susceptibility.
For example: I’m currently undergoing both chemo and radiation treatment. One side effect of the chemo in particular is a drastic reduction in effectiveness of the immune system.
Diabetics – including (particularly!) undiagnosed late onset diabetics also have an elevated level of risk from bacteria resistant organisms. Which is why if you’re over thirty you should get yourself screened once a year.
mfi
Yup, if you stop to think about it – health care facilities are frequented by ill people including people with C. diff and MRSA. Therefore ………..
You’re well capable of working out the rest for yourself.
mfi
Yes, pretty much. Which is why old-fashioned hand hygiene is suddenly being reemphasised to health professionals throughout the world. It’s something we will all have to start paying attention to. When I was a boy the rule drummed into us was that if our hands were going to be near our mouths – not just for meals but also snacks and sweets. Then those hands had to be washed. Those days are coming back.
mfi
And @68. I was aware – I would say moderately aware – of the problem. What I was not aware of was how bad the problem was.
I do wash my hands frequently but this is mainly because of the things I do get my hands really grubby. Old electronics and radios. Woodworking on occasion and other things. I guess I just cant stand having grubby, grungy hands.
I would not be surprised to see quarantined areas/houses come back as well.
So thanks for the thoughts and the info.
So sorry for your loss, cmaukonen. My mother also recently passed away. She did not appear to be so seriously ill but suddenly, just as I arrived, she went into cardiac shock and lost her blood pressure. She had been kept in an emergency room for 18 hours waiting to be admitted to a regular room. Interestingly, the same thing happened to her 4 years before after a multi-hour emergency room stay, and the doctors were just barely able to restore normal heart beat. Was it just coincidence that this happened twice? She was very old, in her nineties. but this emergency room was an awful environment, cramped and stuffy (and in a top research hospital).
There are no words.
There are but tears.
I am so very sorry.
So very, very sorry.
Stan
Sorry to hear about that. I think the issue with cramped & over-crowded ER & lack of access to rooms has much more to do with citizens lack of adequate health care in general due to BigIns, BigHosp, etc, running the show and charging us up the yin-yang for everything.
Remember that GW Bush infamously said that poor people have “health ins” at the ER.
Recently I had to take my 91 year old MIL to the Hosp with a UTI (which can be fatal at that age). Despite the fact that her Dr pre-admitted her, we had to wait 12 hours in ER until a room opened up. She was “lucky” in that she got to be in gurney (so she could lay down) in a sort of private-ish space, where she got immediate treatment, which, no doubt, kept her alive.
The ER was a ZOO that day, however. I cannot begin to describe the pandemonium, and I have to tip my hat to the good people who worked there and more or less kept things moving along. There were people laying on the floor groaning. There were people propped against the walls looking like they weren’t going to make it, and so on and so forth.
The last time I saw something like this was in India (no offense intended). And so: on it goes… we are turning into a Third World country.
My MIL ended up in a room late in the evening, after arriving around 9 am. She is fine, but the whole episode was frightening, to say the least. I fully expect things to get MUCH worse before they get any better, if ever.
I might add that this was in a “good” hospital in a smallish town.
Insane.
I work with the public in both of my jobs, and all I do all day long is wash, wash, wash, wash my hands. Imperative to do so frequently and routinely. Knock on wood, I rarely get ill, despite people having colds, etc, all around me.
I do think that washing hands is a big key to good health.
I agree with Margaret, up above, about how we’ve all been over-washed with anti-bacterial soaps, though, and I avoid those at all costs in favor just “regular” soap. Just my experience…
Trying to find anything that hasn’t been juiced up with anti-biotics is a major challenge these days.
That and finding anything that hasn’t been juiced up with sugar of some kind as well.
Thank you, cmaukonen, for this important post.
This is just tragic C, I am so sorry for your loss. Thank you for coming here and letting us know about it. I know you must be feeling devastated.
So sorry for your loss.
My MIL is a CNA at our local hospital and warned us about the risk.
Condolences to you and all your Mom’s loved ones. (((cmaukonen)))
Grapefruit seed extract is sometimes used by people who cannot get to pharmaceutical antibiotics.