
Schmorell grave - Jim Forest flickr
The vast majority of Americans support the extra judicial killings of people with drones. This is not surprising at all since there was great support for going after protestors during the 1960s, Japanese internment during WWII, black segregation and slavery, Native American slaughter and relocation and on and on.
Just as there was great support for Japanese military atrocities in Japan and Nazi atrocities in Germany during Hitler’s time and Generalissimo Francisco Franco in Spain and Stalin in the USSR. Not just out of fear but also because people there were doing OK under these regimes.
And now the extreme right in Greece is becoming more and more popular and Stalin is gaining popularity again as a hero in Russia.
Germany has strict and harsh laws against denial of the Holocaust and tribute to Hitler but I wonder how long this would last should they find themselves in the same situation that led to his rise initially. And how many would dare to speak out such as these young people did.
Liselotte Furst-Ramdohr, already a widow at the age of 29 following her husband’s death on the Russian front, was introduced to the White Rose group by her friend, Alexander Schmorell.
“I can still see Alex today as he told me about it,” says Furst-Ramdohr, now a spry 99-year-old. “He never said the word ‘resistance’, he just said that the war was dreadful, with the battles and so many people dying, and that Hitler was a megalomaniac, and so they had to do something.”
Schmorell and his friends Christoph Probst and Hans Scholl had started writing leaflets encouraging Germans to join them in resisting the Nazi regime.
With the help of a small group of collaborators, they distributed the leaflets to addresses selected at random from the phone book.
Furst-Ramdohr says the group couldn’t understand how the German people had been so easily led into supporting the Nazi Party and its ideology.
“They must have been able to tell how bad things were, it was ridiculous,” she says. – BBC Website
They distributed pamphlets all over the area including to the University of Munich. Where they were spotted by a caretaker who call the Gestapo who came and took them away.
There was a trial with a quick verdict followed even quicker by an execution in the courtyard by guillotine. Now The White Rose are considered heroes and have a monument. But as Furst-Ramdohr says ….
Since the end of the war, the members of the White Rose have become celebrated figures, as German society has searched for positive role models from the Nazi period.
But Furst-Ramdohr doesn’t like it. “At the time, they’d have had us all executed,” she says of the majority of her compatriots. - BBC Website
Such as those who were killed here at Kent State or Jackson State are considered heroes…or were.
We haven’t had any execution here yet of protestors but the silence of those in LA concerning the LAPD, the attacks on OWS and the imprisonment of Bradly Manning with very little outcry except some on the political left – leaves me to wonder. As to why the German people of time supported Hitler and hist actions actively and even passively ? Here is one explanation.
A well-respected German historian has a radical new theory to explain a nagging question: Why did average Germans so heartily support the Nazis and Third Reich? Hitler, says Goetz Aly, was a “feel good dictator,” a leader who not only made Germans feel important, but also made sure they were well cared-for by the state.
To do so, he gave them huge tax breaks and introduced social benefits that even today anchor the society. He also ensured that even in the last days of the war not a single German went hungry. Despite near-constant warfare, never once during his 12 years in power did Hitler raise taxes for working class people. He also — in great contrast to World War I — particularly pampered soldiers and their families, offering them more than double the salaries and benefits that American and British families received. As such, most Germans saw Nazism as a “warm-hearted” protector, says Aly, author of the new book “Hitler’s People’s State: Robbery, Racial War and National Socialism” [TC: I cannot find it on U.S. Amazon, try this German link] and currently a guest lecturer at the University of Frankfurt. They were only too happy to overlook the Third Reich’s unsavory, murderous side.
Financing such home front “happiness” was not simple and Hitler essentially achieved it by robbing and murdering others, Aly claims. Jews. Slave laborers. Conquered lands. All offered tremendous opportunities for plunder, and the Nazis exploited it fully, he says.
Sound familiar ? Bread and Circuses works every time. Which could explain why so many here are pretty OK with the status quo. As long as they themselves are well taken care of and are doing OK, that’s all that matters, regardless of how the rest are doing.
And as for those who are just waiting for the system to implode, you might want to remember The White Rose.



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I’ve been talking about The White Rose for many years now.
I used to wonder. Now I don’t.
Here is an even better write up.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/hornberger/hornberger132.html
Did you mean to say, “Sound Familiar?” rather than Sound Failure? in your last line? (Although I admit I am going a bit deaf.)
I think that we in America have been brought up on propaganda. Such that “The German people knew exactly what supporting Hitler would entail, and they understood in early 1933 that their Jewish neighbors would be sent into the ovens.”
When it really wasn’t like that. The big overall picture of what awaited them in the future was not detailed for them to contemplate. They were suffering in the extreme – even Carl Jung’s autobiographical writings detail how the entire nation of Germany was on the move in 1932. People who lived in Northern Germany went seeking work in the South, while people in the South went up North. The payments required by the Versailles Treaty had broken the country economically. The Germans were also rattled by the thoughts of the Communists taking over. Did they want their daughters to be tossed into a cellar and raped repeatedly as their news media told them had happened to the Russian Czarinas?
Hitler was for most of them an unknown, at least, that was so, during the 1933 election cycle that put him in office. Even Jewish people accepted him, although few admitted it later on. Rich Jewish people thought and hoped he would only go after the “slackers” among the poor Jewish families, while the poor Jewish families thought and hoped he would only go after the Banking Crowd.
In all the years between his election and the beginning of the war, things improved dramatically for many Germans. People had full employment, along with vacations (for the first time ever). Class barriers were knocked aside. Anyone who wanted a job had one, and many Germans were driving around in autos, an unthinkable dream for most of them just ten years earlier! The average, non-Jewish, non-Union leader, non Communist German actually got something in return for turning a blind eye to the underbelly of Germany’s new polices. (And remember, our nation and its media praised the “New Germany.” Sit down with some Life magazines from that era and you will see how that magazine called Hitler a needed breathe of fresh air, whose genius had unified all of Germany and brought the nation success!)
By the time the war broke out, many of those Germans who had supported him from the beginning could not emotionally afford to turn on him. Also, the reality that if you criticized him and his Third Reich too much, you could find yourself out on the Russian front — that certainly had a chilling effect.
What is sad about the state of affairs in our country is most people are not gaining anything, not one single thing! through the accomplishment of the Corporate Control over our lives. Yet people accept all of this, as long as the person in charge is a person of color who seems to smile a lot. The average person is saying far too often such platitudes as: “Well Obama would have given us Single Payer HC if the Republicans had not been in his way” etc etc.
Yes…fixed it. (I hate spell checkers..)
I think the point I am trying to make is how easy it is get people to go along and look the other way who do not have a pot let along any chicken for it, just as long as you promise them the pot.
I think we need to look deeper than propaganda or pots and chickens to see what Amerikans are capable of supporting.
Anyone at home or abroad who threatens our exceptional right to consume is easily targeted for what they deserve including a Hellfire Missile.
Even many ardent Liberals support our killing madness and would turn in an Anarchist at the first sound of glass breaking.
“The vast majority of Americans support the extra judicial killings of people with drones.”
I find it frightening to nauseating that more than half of Americans support murder by drone, not only the murder of those only alleged to have done something or merely threatened to do something to harm Americans, but by accepting the murder of innocents who happen to be in the area of those targeted. Would these Americans be so cavalier about human lives if (when) the murders were (are) perpetrated on our own soil?
That said, I don’t think 56% qualifies as “the vast majority”. Perhaps you are adding the 18% who “don’t know” because failing to oppose this monstrous abuse of power provides at least tacit support?
Interesting post. As one of those “just waiting for the system to implode,” I clicked on your link and found this little jewel:
“Evo Morales President of Bolivia, formerly the militant leader of the coca workers, says we have a choice:
We have two paths: either capitalism dies or Mother Earth dies. Either capitalism lives or Mother Earth lives. Of course, brothers and sisters, we are here for life, for humanity and for the rights of Mother Earth. Long live the rights of Mother Earth! Death to capitalism!”
I think El Presidente Morales is correct; either capitalism dies or Mother Earth dies. If Mother Earth dies, then capitalism will die. The reverse is not true at all.
I’d love to be able to do something about this, but I just don’t have the power. It will take a real mass movement to really change anything, and I just don’t see that happening until things get really, really bad.
And that’s because your premise is basically correct: so long as people think that they are benefiting from the system, whether they really are or aren’t, or else think that radical change might somehow be worse, they will do nothing about the system. They’ll just live their lives the best they can.
Meanwhile, the clock keeps ticking.
Recc’d.
Comment recd’ Barbarian….highly so.