SINKING
Preface: It should always be understood that whatever I put forth is merely my opinion. I am presenting neither mandate nor revelation carved in stone to be obeyed or believed. We all have free will, don’t we?
PSYCHOPATHY: THE CAUSE OF EVIL
Inherited and acquired psychological disorders and ignorance of their existence and nature are the primal causes of evil. The magic number of 6% seems to represent the number of humans who either carry the genes responsible for biological evil or who acquire such disorders in the course of their lifetime. This small percent is responsible for the vast majority of human misery and crime, and for infecting others with their flawed view of the world. (source)
Just Lucky I Guess.
Whilst doing research online I sometimes chance upon some really fascinating information not directly related to what I’m working on. One small joy in a world becoming grimmer each day.
Scrolling down any given web page, checking for information pertinent to the current project, I may notice a heading or a phrase, linked to another page, that I find intriguing even though it’s not specifically relevant. Often it’s just a waste of time, sometimes it’s so enticing that I abandon what I’m doing and become engrossed in the new find.
In some of my own writing and in comments I have made, I have alluded to my opinion that the psychopathic condition of the people who desire dominance over all others, especially those who literally seek to rule the world, might be the result of a genetic aberration. Thanks to a chance discovery like the one described above, which led to further supporting documentation, I find that this conjecture may not be without merit.
I once put forth in a comment, March 23, 2009, the opinion that inimical traits, deceitful, predatory, tyrannical, ruthless, pitiless, manipulative, which describe virtually all those who crave supremacy over others, are not significantly manifested among humans in general but are predominant, rather, only in a small portion of the population.
I also expressed my view that it is our intrinsically cooperative nature and our innate desire to be helpful that makes such a large segment of the human race susceptible to victimization by a small minority of individuals who are afflicted with what could be a genetic flaw.
What I said:
“For my part, I will say this; I do not accept that human morality, for the vast majority, is based upon hate, envy, greed or self-interest. In fact, quite to the contrary, the basic benevolence and cooperative nature of most people is what has allowed a very small, depraved and abhorrent group to prey upon the majority of the species for millennia.
I like to think that this negative trait will eventually be eliminated by the process of evolution, provided our species can survive long enough. That small group of deviant individuals is like a parasite within the body of humanity. They have managed to pass along whatever genetic flaw they possess through the ages. They can only survive if there is a significantly larger population of healthy, sane and basically good people to sustain them.”
It turns out this may not be quite as incredible as it sounds.
Genetics And Anthropocentricity; Mutually Exclusive?
“Human behaviour is widely believed to be essentially rational and therefore fundamentally distinct from the behaviour of all other animals. This leads automatically to a belief system that is best described as ‘anthropocentric’.”
Anthropocentrism:
(1) Viewing the world in terms of human experience and values. (2) The belief that our species is the star that crowns an evolutionary Christmas tree of life. (3) The belief that humans are the pivot upon which our divinely ordained universe turns.
“Yet we share the planet with some 20 to 100 million other species, all of them genetically driven. One would think that only a deranged gambler would be fool enough to bet on the presence of a solitary exception in such a vast biota. In other words, anthropocentrism hinges on an extraordinary proposition, one that demands extraordinary proof. Unfortunately, none exists.
Not the slightest scrap of hard evidence, either morphological or genetic, suggests that Homo sapiens is not, like all animals, a natural by-product of genetic and Darwinian evolution. We should therefore assume that we, like they, are uncontaminated by any supra-natural influences. We may well be excellent communicators and tool-makers, and also the most self-aware, mystical and malicious animals on Earth, but overwhelming evidence shows that all these distinctions are of degree, not of kind. And yet the myth lives on.” (source)
Totalitarianism And The Parasitic Psychopath.
“…it should be possible to discover the hidden mechanics by which all traditional elements of our political and spiritual world were dissolved into a conglomeration where everything seems to have lost specific value, and has become unrecognizable for human comprehension, unusable for human purpose.”
Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, preface to the first edition, pg. VIII, First Meridian printing September 1958, Seventh printing September 1962
The Psychopathic Survival Strategy
“You see, evolutionarily speaking, psychopaths should not exist. Throughout history it can be seen that human beings have needed to co-operate and care about one another in order to survive and produce a new generation that will carry on the processes of society. Most human dynamics are based on people trying to work out their problems and come to resolutions agreeable to the greatest number or, at the very least, in the interactions between two people. The issue of trust is paramount. Someone who betrays your trust is someone you cannot live or work with. Therefore, psychopaths, who are untrustworthy, should have long ago become extinct. But that isn’t the way things are. It appears, in fact, as if psychopathy has increased!” (source)
So how is it that a few parasitic, psychopathic individuals, being basically nonproductive and incapable of providing for their own needs, can yet manage to carry along a recessive gene for so many generations? As I posited in my comment above, this small minority requires a large, normal population to sustain them.
“Evolutionary psychologists regard psychopathy as an inherited personality style that has evolved because glib, deceitful individuals—as a minority within a larger population of trusting folk—often reproduce with much success.”
“Other investigators, such as neuroscientist R.J.R. Blair of the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) in Bethesda, Md., regard psychopathy as the result of a still-unspecified genetic disorder. The inherited defect interferes with the workings of the brain’s emotion system, which is centered in the amygdala, a structure especially concerned with perceiving dangerous situations.” (source)
Here we see two pieces of the puzzle locking neatly together. They seem, to me at least, mutually inclusive. The first explains how those bearing a genetic flaw, which should be counter-survival, have managed to pass it on through the centuries while the second gives us the source of the defect.
Perpetual Parasitism.
There are other examples in nature of parasites with evolved dependency upon a specific host species. If the host species becomes extinct, so does the parasite. It is unable to survive with any other host.
“Some species of parasites are termed species specific. This means that they can complete their life cycle in only one species of host. Should they enter the wrong species they are unable to complete their life cycle and die, all generally without the host requiring treatment.” (source)
It seems clear to me that the psychopath/society relationship is that of highly specialized parasite to its specific host. That the psychopath operates externally to the host in no way disqualifies it as parasite. The common mosquito is without question parasitic, as are the tick, the leech and many other bloodsuckers. I think this human/human arrangement is unique in at least one regard however. I know of no other situation wherein the host and parasite are, ostensibly, of the same species.
The psychopath/parasite cannot survive without normal humans to prey upon. It needs the support of other humans, as do we all, but is incapable of functioning as a cooperative, productive member of the population. Nor can it survive on its own or within a group comprised only of psychopaths. Although often highly intelligent, they frequently have no productive skills or loathe using them if they do. They rely instead upon deceit, manipulation, cunning and ruthless self-interest enhanced by a complete absence of conscience or remorse.
“What’s nice about this explanation is that it not only explains why psychopaths exist, but also why we’re not all psychopaths. If there are few enough psychopaths in the population, then being a psychopath makes sense because you’ll mostly have winning confrontations with nice people. But if there are too many psychopaths, then the gains from taking advantage of nice people will be swamped by the losses from confronting other psychopaths. In equilibrium, you’ll get both psychos and nice folks, with each strategy generating approximately equal returns, and with the precise balance determined by the relative payoffs of different interactions.” (source)
The Matter Of Degree.
At the extreme, the psychopath simply resorts to outright violence to satisfy its needs. These cases are by far in the minority however. They may be a separate variety, a sub-group, which is not completely parasitic in some instances. In any case, however horrible their acts may be, they are not nearly as deadly as those who function within the system of government and business disguised as aggressive, ambitious and savvy type-A go-getters.
“There’s currently a bull market in corporate psychopaths, according to psychologist Paul Babiak of HRBackOffice, an industrial-consulting firm in Hopewell Junction, N.Y. Organizations undergoing major changes, such as downsizing or mergers, provide a chaotic atmosphere that savvy psychopaths exploit”, Babiak holds. ‘They cozy up to a firm’s power brokers, manipulate coworkers, and intimidate underlings on their way up the corporate ladder, stealing everything possible along the way’.”
“Not all psychopaths resort to violence, however. Highly intelligent people with psychopathic personalities find fertile, nonviolent opportunities in conning and manipulating others”, in Porter’s view. (source)
The ratio of parasites to host must be kept quite small or the entire host population might be wiped out leaving the parasites unable to survive. In the past, when the drain on society became too great, the host population has attempted to exterminate the parasite, hence the repeated cycle of bloody revolutions throughout history. Evidently, the effort at eliminating the parasitic infestation has never been fully successful.
Threatened with extinction, the psychopath displays great skill at hiding in plain sight. A psycho-camouflage of sorts is employed, allowing the parasite to mimic a sense of sorrow, dismay or other feelings not actually present in the psychopathic character. Some always manage to survive by temporarily blending with the host population.
The Disease Blames The Afflicted.
A particularly ironic aspect of this condition is that these life draining parasites, riding on the body of humanity like great bloated ticks, are the first to scream bloody murder should anyone among the host population require aid in a time of distress. They express indignation and outrage at any action, program or institution that can be seen as beneficial to the general welfare. Such people, they insist, are freeloaders and moochers and such programs a drain on society. The hypocrisy is breathtaking. Part of the skill set I suppose.
Prognosis?
I fear we are now approaching that point where the parasite is perilously close to overwhelming the host. I only say approaching since I think it will take a little time yet to cross that Rubicon. I have little doubt we will do so if things continue on their present course. That could mean destruction for all, including the parasites.
Governments of the world, monolithic multinational corporations and the international banking cartel are overrun with psychopaths in the highest positions of power. Their parasitic insatiability threatens to consume our species.
It has always been my admittedly irrational but abiding conviction that humanity would evolve beyond the juvenile, even primitive stage in which we have been for so long mired. For all the knowledge we have gained, an equal or greater portion of wisdom has been lost.
It seems, at the very least, that we are about to enter into a period of profound transition. It promises to be a time of unthinkable hardship, possibly leading to our extinction.
On the other hand, a second possible scenario might produce a small number of human survivors who arise from the rubble, cleansed at last of that tyrant gene, to build a new world and the first human civilization.
The third and sadly most probable outcome is that within that tribe of human survivors there will lurk a small number psycho-parasites, hiding in plain sight, waiting for just the right moment to begin the cycle all over again.
Epilogue; A Cynical Summation.
Rid at last of the aberration that caused so much damage, in so little time, Gaia will heal.
R.I.P.

Original Graphic by Richard William Posner
Death exists only to serve Life.
Though Life will still be taken that Life may continue, never again will it be done with malice or hate.
Nor will death be born of greed, lust or envy.
No ideology, no arrogant certainty of righteousness will ever again bring needless pain, suffering and death to those who choose a different path.
Pain, suffering and death will always remain, but only in the service of the cycle of Life, without animosity, prejudice or enmity.
No longer will death be a commodity to be sold for profit. Once again, it will be the price for the continuation of Life, an even trade.
Life and death will once again be in balance.
With the passing of the only creature ever to serve death before Life, that balance will be restored.
Let the circle that was broken be closed.
Peace at last.




49 Comments

“Other investigators, such as neuroscientist R.J.R. Blair of the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) in Bethesda, Md., regard psychopathy as the result of a still-unspecified genetic disorder…”
Well then this little graph may offer an answer as how to prevent your somewhat fatalistic prognoses from coming true. Find the answer, devise tests, test managers and disqualify the psychopaths from advancing into positions of authority.
I couldn’t help but to wonder about our duopolistic political system in terms of the obvious and the sublime; the Republican and Democrat political class. How do the psychopaths in either party differ? Are the Democrats who, having adopted the persona of champions for the underdog, the slippier snakes in this 6% field of snake oil excretors?
What made them pick this political party as their hunting ground upon which to exercise their psychopathological impulses? Was the greater empathy factor resident in this left leaning cohort perceived as easier pickings? And what about shades of psychopathology among the 94%? Approximately half seem to voluntarily gravitate towards this dog eat dog, laissez faire, individualistic psycho trait. Propaganda can only explain so much…
Fascinating topic, thanks, RWP.
Incredibly important important insights and speculations, Richard.
I haven’t the time, at the moment, to comment as your post deserves.
For now, I say; thank you … and … very highly recommended to the thoughts and considerations of everyone at FDL.
DW
Very interesting and undoubtedly true.
There seem to be the psychopathic personalities which occur naturally (Ted Bundy, Sir Allen Stanford), and then there are the psychopathic personalities which are cultivated by our cultural institutions.
A friend’s son just entered the US Marine Corps. What is military training if not psychopath training? Teaching people to kill without remorse. Something they’ve been taught to regard as a wrong in their normal (‘civilian’) life – killing humans – is turned into the goal of the military life. No wonder when they return to civilian life, that they have such a hard time reconciling their kill training and experience with their need for peaceful coexistence in society. That’s why mind-expanding drugs, letting them reconnect with the universe instead of seeing it as threat, have been helpful in overcoming PTSD.
Yes, to paraphrase Jesus, the psychopaths you always have with you, but can’t we start dismantling the institutions that produce more psychopaths? Ending the Empire, bringing them ALL home would be a good start.
Imagine a world where psychos can’t hold political office or be CEO’s we are one genetic test away. This could be the end of the GOP. :) Bookmarked
Psychos who are regular people often go to jail but our ruling/rich class is above the law and to rich to fail. They associate among themselves so the psycho gene spreads prison time keeps our psychos from breeding as much as their psychos do.
Once a ruling/rich class becomes to powerful being both above the law and too rich to fail plus upward mobility for the less than 10% declines resulting in less new genes being around to dilute the psycho gene plus I’m sure parents of psychos very well might push borderline psycho or even normal kids into being psychos then society has a problem.
I imagine once we have a psycho birth defect test that the GOP will really let lose against genetic testing.
With his outsourcing, constant flip flopping/lying, lack of concern for the poor Mitt is a psycho but he is so far removed from regular people he sees no need to kiss up to us.
Psychos only manipulate people they think are useful they still lie don’t get me wrong but they don’t bother to work at telling us good lies.
And a social/political/economic system that rewards them and punishes those who would wish to change this.
Not enough time to go through the Tunguska piece; it looks wild!
I’ve read a lot of books about evil in my day, and there seem to be a lot of ways to define it, and attempts to suss out its derivation. The ‘genetic evil’ makes me nervous, as I assume it should all of us.
Usually, I thought those inherent causes were thought to be brain abnormalities, but fMRIs and PET scans may only tell so much; at least I’d reckoned all that was in the early stages, more seeing ‘relationships’ than ‘causality’. Dunno for sure.
But as to the acquired conditions, I have to wonder what Ponerologists consider benchmarks of pure psychopathology, or gradations that can be tweaked given the right atmospherics (virtual atmospheric brainwashing), and how, or if, they factor in violence and the dehumanization of people upon whom they perpetrate it (security state minions, soldiers, drone operators), either cavalierly, or order it with impunity.
My guess as to the ‘acquired’ portions, and it’s exceedingly unpopular and relatively unknown, is that a lot of sociopathy is related to our failures to bond with children, model empathy, and never hit children.
Alice Miller’s work was some of the first I’d read, and from personal experience learned a lot about attachment issues as crucial for developing consciences.
The effects of alcoholism on developing fetal brains can often wreak startling disasters on brains, including forming a conscience, but the relationship to an alcoholic’s primary concern for drinking v. bonding with a newborn are perhaps somewhat blurred.
Exposure to toxins in the air, water, soil might also play a part, as may they in the foods most Americans, at least, eat now. Who knows yet what affects the increasingly ubiquitous GM corn syrup might have on developing humans? Or an educational system that values obedience far more than discovery and authenticity?
Well, shoot; I could go on, but most of it would be questions, speculation, and rank opinion.
Luckily, I do think things are stil hopeful enough that if the oft-imagined global change of consciousness for the better really comes soon, we may be able to marginalize, isolate, or even find help for…those who have perpetrated or aided evil. Just how my thoughts run different days. Today is Saturday; dunno what that might mean, lol!
Good topic to broach; recommended.
“The Toba eruption or Toba event occurred at what is now Lake Toba about 73,000±4,000 yr ago. The Toba eruption was the latest of the three major eruptions which occurred at Toba in the last 1 million years. ”
“The apparent coincidence of the eruption with the onset of the last glacial period attracted the scientists’ interest. Michael L. Rampino and Stephen Self argued that the eruption caused a “brief, dramatic cooling or ‘volcanic winter’”, which resulted in a global mean surface temperature drop of 3–5 °C and accelerated the glacial transition from warm to cold temperatures of the last glacial cycle”
Genetic bottleneck theory
Ann Gibbons first suggested, in an article in the October 1993 edition of Science, that a bottleneck in human evolution about 50,000 years ago could be linked to the Toba eruption.
Rampino and Self backed up this idea in a letter to the journal later that year. The bottleneck theory was then further developed by Ambrose in 1998 and Rampino & Ambrose in 2000, who invoked the Toba eruption to explain a severe culling of the human population.
“The supporters of the Toba catastrophe theory suggest that the eruption resulted in a global ecological disaster with extreme phenomena, such as worldwide vegetation destruction, and severe drought in the tropical rainforest belt and in monsoonal regions. Τhis massive environmental change created population bottlenecks in species that existed at the time, including hominids”
According to the supporters of the genetic bottleneck theory, between 50,000 and 100,000 years ago, human population suffered a severe population decrease—only 3,000 to 10,000 individuals survived”
Toba Catastrophe, from Wikipedia.
sounds kind of familiar.
This time, it’s not a volcano. We’ve figured out how to do it ourselves. Maybe warming will be more successful than cooling in getting rid of the destructive species homo sapiens.
Thanks, very interesting.
During my ~7am-to-avoid-the-heat walk today, seeing insects and hearing birds twitter, as I passed straw-dry grass and wild flowers, I thought “Mother Earth is a live thing, and she’s well on her way to getting rid of the human parasite.”
You’re welcome aprescoup.
And fascinating points you raise. Like just about everything, there’s the matter of degree; shades of grey I suppose. There are also larger numbers of “normals” that have been “taken in” by bona fide psychos who do their dirty work for them all the while believing they’re serving some noble cause.
I think the effect of indoctrination is dangerously underestimated. From birth to grave, in school, at play, at work, at virtually all times, except when you’re sleeping, we are saturated with memes, subliminal suggestion, audio and video conditioning and all manner of sensory stimuli aimed at keeping us in a permanent state of consumer delirium madness. It’s Pavlovian conditioning taken to the nth degree.
And beneath that, at a deeper level, there is the insidious poison of “nationalism”, which, in america especially, creates a degree of hubris that can be simply incredible. As a blue collar worker for fifty years I have heard very many variations of this statement; “We’re America and we can do whatever the fuck we want!”
Since all this is just opinion anyway, it’s my opinion I’m not so much a fatalist as a realist.
Thanks for participating aprescoup. It’s appreciated.
Thank you DW. Always appreciated.
I couldn’t agree more regarding the military PlainsEdge.
It’s hard to say where and when the line is crossed from being brainwashed to being a genuine psychopath. PTSD would seem to be the result of someone who is not a psychopath realizing they have been coerced into behaving as one.
The attempt to reconcile what they have done with the certain knowledge that it was wrong to the point of being truly evil would be enough to drive anybody with a conscience over the edge.
Whenever I see a vehicle with one of those ribbons I have the urge to ask the owner if that means they think the troops should be brought home immediately. As has been the case in the past with other empires, overreaching military adventures will play a major part in the fall of this one.
Thank you for your contribution to the discussion.
Ya know, I hadn’t thought of that ThingsComeUndone!
DNA testing and samples have become accepted as valid evidence in our legal system. So, I guess, if such a specific gene could be pinpointed and shown with certainty to be the cause of dangerous psychopathy, you could be right!
Thanks cmaukonen.
That’s a very valid point. Capitalism, which has come to be interchangeable with democracy in the muddled minds of the masses, does exactly that. It punishes those who create the wealth and rewards those who steal it while producing nothing whatsoever of value.
Thank you for all the feedback ThingsComeUndone.
I can see you’ve given this quite a lot of thought.
I think you’re right about Mitt. He’s a textbook psycho.
Mitt fits the bill, allright.
Seems like God’s own little helper Lloyd Blankefein would as well, which then raises the question: what of Obama? who “recognizes” Mitt’s trait yet finds Lloyd to merely be a “savvy businessman?”
Personally, I see little differences on the psycho meter between either of the two parties.
Thank you for your thoughtful and informed response wendydavis.
I’ve been reading Political Ponerology in little bits when I find some moments to spare. It’s somewhat tedious at times but really very informative. It’s also pretty scary at times. As much as anything else, for the terror and persecution suffered by the researchers who put together the data that Lobaczewski uses to assemble the book.
I’ve just hit a section titled Inherited Deviations. Perhaps some of the points you mention will be addressed therein. The book, 330 pages in PDF format, is short enough that it will allow me to read it at least twice. Although Lobaczewski says in the earlier pages that he wants to make it comprehensible to everyone, I’m afraid it’s still pretty esoteric stuff.
Your “guess” may be unpopular but I completely agree. I think this is one of the major failings of the patriarchal hierarchy. It has a strong tendency to marginalise and even crush some of the most important developmental aspects of childhood, which leads to a lot of neuroses. Too much Mars, not enough Venus.
I think it would be much to our benefit if our society were to become a great deal more matriarchal.
Damn mafr! I know I’ve included that sort of scenario as a possible conclusion to this chapter of history but I’d still prefer if it didn’t have to come to that!
If I’m not mistaken, and I certainly could be, I think an offshoot of the human genome project pretty well confirmed the bottleneck theory.
Thanks for adding to the mix!
You’re absolutely correct SharonMI.
Species that cannot adapt to the laws of nature are condemned to extinction.
There is no exception for a species that refuses to adapt because it believes itself exceptional, superior to all Life and therefore exempt from those laws.
Such belief is utterly delusional and will certainly prove fatal if not cast off.
There is no way to Peace. Peace is the way.
Obama’s a better liar but yes agreed but Obama is not the ruling class or wealthy. Obama, Rush, Sarah Palin etc are all psycho liars but well maybe like attracts like?
The ruling/ wealthy need someone to tell lies for them because they are busy with more important things money, women, causing people pain, their own ego’s.
I wonder if they elevate psychos like Obama, Rush, Sarah to near their own status because they need minions to tell their lies for them.
CEO’s are generally to busy to do everything they delegate.
This, that there is a subset of humans genetically predisposed to sociopathic behavior, by and large jibes with my own anecdotal observations. I would speculate that its persistence within social groups affords some non-obvious but non-trivial as well survival advantage- at least under some set of unusual circumstances. There must be some selective survival pressure pushing it. Like a number of other traits: predisposition to irrational supernatural belief, homosexuality (not that there’s anything…), genetic predisposition to obesity, there must be circumstances where these traits at least carried by a subset of the population confers an evolutionary advantage. Even though they have little or no immediately obvious adaptive benefit.
Patrice Ayme has a different take on this topic in
http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/will-to-vice/
I quote a few major points. Read the fascinating article in full.
“Let’s recapitulate: love is a necessity, a fundamental imprinting. Ferocious leadership is obtained in a contrived way, through the constructive “Will to Power”.
The “Will to Power” wants to overpower, not massacre. The “Will To Power” is about exerting power on others. Will To Power needs the continuation of others to be exerted. And indeed, although baboons kill baboons in power struggles, sometimes (their canines are like small daggers), power struggles among baboons do not result in extermination in the famed chimpanzee-human style.
The Will To Cruelty is what motivates the ultimate, all too human activity, genocide.
The Will To Cruelty, ultimately, protects an optimal version of the planetary ecology. It is timely to remember this, as the greatest attack against the ecology is proceeding ever more. Logically, and evolutionarily speaking, it is only a matter of time before cruelty comes to the rescue of the biosphere.”
Excellent post, Richard William Posner, thank you. I’ve thought about sociopaths and psychopaths a lot lately. We had one move into our community and raise holy hell. He was just on CNN last week, looking very serious. He’s a fucking loose cannon incapable of functioning in a small community. Epic social faux pas’ time and again in the 5 short weeks he was here.
He reminded me of my belief in bad sperm. Or bad spawn. Either way, a nasty and shocking experience.
The real problem comes with ordinary people falling back on pleasantness and fear of his money when dealing with his insanity. It is a form of insanity,imho. The perfect scenario for a sick bully.
Very good point. I think possibly the military attracts 3 types of citizens. Those who hold a deep belief in our U.S.A. and excel in discipline and moral vision within a group structure.
And those who seek to further their deviant behavior in a protective structure.
Then there’s those floating between 12 years of schooling and the next stage in life, and they hate their boring hometown.
I know two boys in their mid-twenties who joined and I believe your third type should be expanded to be those floating between schooling and “retirement” with few career prospects in the present Greater Depression. They need to eat.
And I’d say that means you’re seeing things pretty clearly.
My research for this post did indicate that it’s usually non-psycho underlings, seduced by the cunning manipulative abilities of psychos they come to idolise, that do most of the real dirty work; especially when the psycho has achieved a position of power. The more powerful the idols become, the more willing sycophants and lapdogs they acquire.
I’m reading a book at this time, Political Ponerology by Andrew Lobaczewski, which I’m hoping will get into the Stockholm syndrome type of relationship that develops between parasite psychos and the “normal” people that serve them willingly.
That’s the thing TCU, if the balance of the population was reversed and the psychos were the large majority, they wouldn’t be able to survive. Their numbers must remain small, relative to the total population, since normal folks are what sustains them. For the most part, they couldn’t “take care of themselves” if they were deprived of their “hosts”. If you took a slew of them and isolated them on an island, even if there was plenty of fresh water and lots of food sources available, they wouldn’t be able to survive without productive, normal humans to do the manual labour.
That’s a possibility Kurt. The skill set that such people possess does provide a group specific survival advantage. It does not, however, do anything to contribute to the survival of the species. Quite the opposite in fact.
And that, in my opinion, is the proverbial bottom line. Any genetic trait not contributing to the survival of the species as a whole aught to be, at some point, eliminated by the evolutionary process. Unless of course we’re evolving to a species that exists only for the purpose of sustaining its host specific parasite.
If you were to ask me, I’d venture that is exactly what the “1%” is and always has been attempting to achieve. Perhaps they are developing into a separate subspecies, which will survive by maintaining a “herd” of docile, compliant and passive “normal” humans to provide for their every need. That certainly seems to me to be the paradigm that the relatively small cabal of the elite has been working toward for centuries.
The psycho gene, if indeed there is one, which is looking more likely these days, is only advantageous when there is a large “normal” population to act as hosts for those in whom it is dominant. It’s a very one-sided interaction, which is not at all symbiotic.
In some ways, the relationship that exists between the psychopathic parasite class and the normal majority is remarkably similar to that of the Eloi and the Morlocks in H.G. Wells’ “The Time Machine”. There’s a strange reversal in that story though, since the Eloi are evolved from the wealthy aristocracy whilst the Morlocks are descended from the Labour class. It’s a classic example of Poetic Justice.
Perhaps I should write a modern version of the story and call it “The Timeless Machine”.
Thank you for the excellent link pshakkottai!
I’ve just gone and done the very briefest scan of the essay and I will return to read it carefully as soon as I’m done responding to comments here.
As far as I could tell from my scan, there’s not really any conflict between that treatise and my own. I think we’re both talking about pretty much the same subject. The only difference I can see, and I may have missed something significant since my scan was so brief, is that Patrice isn’t looking to explain the mechanics or the physical source of the phenomenon.
So, at this point anyway, I don’t think she and I would have any strong disagreements on the subject. I don’t think it’s really a “different take”. We’re just looking at different aspects of the same phenomenon.
I appreciate your knowledgeable contribution to the conversation.
Thank you for joining the discussion openhope.
Looks like you’ve got a psycho wannabe on your hands. Perhaps he’s the genuine article trying to work his way up the parasite ladder or maybe a weak-willed “normal” attempting to emulate the more successful and powerful psychos that have manipulated him.
Either way, sounds like he could be on the way to creating serious problems for your community. I wish you all the best of luck in dealing with him.
The Will to Power is about Priestly Morality subverting the sex drive and replacing it with the desire for Power. Once getting power they can drop the act and have sex. Caesar Borgia of “the Prince ” fame is the classic example there is much speculation he poisoned his own older brother so he would not end up in the church.
The old one son to inherit, one for the army one for the church idea in the middle ages his Dad was Pope.
The death of at least one of his Sister’s husbands could be also his or his Dad’s. Machiavelli holds him as the ideal in politics but in the end his own psycho unchecked ambition led him to do too much and he and his psycho Dad failed despite by all accounts being brilliant and ruthless.
“The Will To Cruelty, ultimately, protects an optimal version of the planetary ecology. It is timely to remember this, as the greatest attack against the ecology is proceeding ever more. Logically, and evolutionarily speaking, it is only a matter of time before cruelty comes to the rescue of the biosphere.” ”
Cruelty is an emotion Psycho’s I agree have Drive to fulfill their emotions unchecked by morals in spades.
But do not think that actions that arise from emotion are logical. Do not think that uncontrolled emotions will think logically. Psychos are Parasites but NOT symbiotic parasites.
They do nothing helpful to society that earns their keep. They eat until the host is dead. Jared Diamond has said and I paraphrase what he said now because memory fails Societies that fail have a ruling class that is not effected by their mistakes.
Our ruling/wealthy class today is both above the law and too rich to fail/ fall to their natural level of competence Bush maybe a Psycho heck he probably is but his competency is such he should be bagging groceries.
There is no way a psycho like Bush could be said to have acted to better society.
Obama only does things Good if he is forced but in the worst possible way after he has ignored the issue, been bought off etc.
Canceling the Keystone oil pipeline WH protests, Gay Rights Gay donor’s threatened to cut off his cash, Illegal Immigration Hispanic poll numbers for Obama looked weak and there were threatened protests by Hispanics in an election year.
Obamacare he sold us out to big business. Bailing out the car companies he got rid of the stock which the car companies pensions had invested in before he helped them unlike the banks who he bailed out but let them keep their stock.
With Psycho’s force and fear keep them in line at least that’s what I saw in County Jail.
With Obama protests, threats to not give him any money keep him inline. Otherwise
he will sell us out and help bankers because they pay him.
Will to Power is about choosing your own Morals for your own reasons not because society or some church tells you and acting from those morals do what you want.
It is not about choosing No Morals also Psychos don’t choose no morals they are like that at birth.
I think you mistook Priestly Morality as will to Power.
I really need a teaching job:)
Yes! The NeoCons were once Dems then Reagan got to power some people just follow power and psychos are more willing to use power so they attract these people.
OK. Just finished a more in-depth reading of Will To Vice. I stand by my first reply.
While there may be minor discrepancies in the minutia of the two essays, I can find nothing that would require or even invite debate.
I found particularly interesting the parallels drawn between humans and other animals. One of the most striking differences that occurs to me is that only the human animal allows itself to be led, even to death, by individuals who have not and could not dominate them by sheer physical force, as is the norm with all other animals.
This, I think, is where the aspect of psychopathy comes into play. A male wolf could never deceive, manipulate, obfuscate or bribe his way into the role of alpha. If he could not defeat his rival by blatant physical domination, he would remain forever subservient.
Only with the human animal is it possible for a nonproductive individual, who would be personally incapable of applying the necessary physical violence directly, to enlist other, “normal” people in the roles of enforcers and protectors.
And here we see the unique capabilities of the human species being perverted by a small segment of the population who have the “will to vice” to which Patrice Ayme refers so eloquently. If anything, her excellent discourse reinforces the idea that such a trait is very probably of a genetic nature.
Thanks again pshakkottai. You have graciously contributed to my endless education.
Exactly.
Pathology aside for a moment… As abnormal as the politics of the right-wing mind seems to the more equitably minded, its part of our culture and primitive genetic make-up. (survival of the fittest) Right-wing ideology proclaims that liberals are the parasites.(not that I agree)
Many “normal” people have been duped into enabling corporate sociopathy (focus on quarterly profits) which, in turn, is primarily responsible for governmental sociopathy. Crony corporatism and corporatist propaganda is a fountainhead of much evil. Support OWS
http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/will-to-vice/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pack_(canine)
Pack mentality is to protect the kids and act as a group to hunt and fight. Among some apes the toughest one yes gets all the females. Regardless Man is the only Animal where being the Leader can lead the group to destruction just because the leader is mad/psycho.
Hitler invading everyone in Europe is an example of this sorry but there was no way he could win. Conquering land is one thing holding that land is quite another look at America in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The will to love your kids and protect them and or get all the females is normal desire.
Once you put your own desire above the groups wellbeing then you are going into psycho territory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_to_power
To let a Psycho put his interests above yours and the group’s welfare which both you and the psycho depend on is to give up the Will to Power to love others it is said you must first love yourself. Non Psychos who follow psychos either don’t love themselves or think others in the group (humanity and or country) as a threat to themselves they let emotion rather than logic rule them.
That is not to say the Will to Power is not about conflict People will always fight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_to_power
Just because we will always fight to exert our desires and an “egalitarian state-idea as the embodiment of the will to power in decline:” Shows a state in decline though I see no evidence of any state achieving this state ever in history.
Equal opportunity for all is different than giving equal responsibility there are enough opportunities in every state some rise because they want it more, they are good at it, and yes they have family and wealth advantages to achieving their Will to Power.
If Family and wealth advantages trump hard work, talent and intelligence then society is in decline and yes Humans have seen that model in history many times.
Wild speculation follows:
Yes, the adaptive benefit may only apply from the perspective of subgroups within the species and to the detriment of the overall species. Groups with sociopathic members, some with charisma or persuasive ability, may be able to coalesce around a charismatic leader or subgroup and act in cohesion that wouldn’t be otherwise possible. This cohesive ability is also probably the basis of religion, giving people a common belief system having dogma fundamentally incompatible with competing systems. The truth or falsehood is of the belief system is unimportant, only that each is dogmatically incompatible with competing beliefs and thus acts as a durable social binding agent.
Mentally healthy people aren’t likely to jump through all the hoops to establish control of others and enforce that control punitively just as mentally healthy people are unlikely to prioritize sociopathic wealth hoarding. Also, having a subset of psychopathic members prone to violence may confer a telling advantage in violent inter-group conflicts when that psychopathy can be directed against competing groups. Mentally healthy individuals are less likely to kill fellow humans when ordered to. Thus violent psychopathy within an optimized fractional percentage of the group may confer an evolutionary advantage when combined with charismatic leader sociopaths that can provide direction. Too many psychopaths and the violence cannot be externally directed and the group self-destructs; too few and the group becomes vulnerable to predation and attack from groups having a more optimal (from a strictly adaptive viewpoint)number of members predisposed to psychopathic violence. Maybe ~6% represents the evolutionary derived optimum over the course of human existence.
Noe-liberalism is probably much more the problem than classic conservatism. Of course, classic or old school conservatism has long gone the way of the dodo.
I’m all for OWS and it’s a good movement. However, if wall street is ever to be dismantled, and that’s what must happen, there must be fundamental changes to the monetary system beginning with the nationalisation of all the banks, especially the Fed. As long as the issue and control of currency is in private hands, as long as all money enters into circulation as debt with interest due, nothing of meaning will be accomplished.
“Once a nation parts with the control of its currency and credit, it matters not who makes the nations laws. Usury, once in control, will wreck any nation. Until the control of the issue of currency and credit is restored to government and recognized as its most sacred responsibility, all talk of the sovereignty of parliament and of democracy is idle and futile.”
William Lyon Mackenzie King, the tenth Prime Minister of Canada
TCU. You’ve got a lot of interesting, valid and thought provoking information in these comments.
If you haven’t already, I would suggest you put it together in a blog and post it! I for one would recommend it highly to the community.
Not really wild at all. What you put forth blends very nicely with the information I’ve offered. You’re going into depths that I refrained to plumb because I was concerned with turning an essay into an encyclopedia!
The research I’ve done and am still pursuing, still reading Political Ponerology, presents lines of reasoning very similar to yours.
I think you’ve got a very firm grasp of the concepts involved. Probably better than my own.
I’ve done a few posts on the 1% breeding psychos and not letting them fail but this information you have gives me much more data and makes my earlier stuff look eh.
I intend to order the book from the library. I might add something about the Will to Power chose your own morals does not mean choose no morals. Very Good Post you should be proud good comments the ones about US troops being trained to kill are interesting I remember hearing of an army study that showed many solders missing when they shoot intentionally because they were moral and did not want to kill the enemy and to correct that problem the army developed new training.
Tracking that study on the net would be interesting.
Also for your next post a list of traits psychos have I think would help educate readers and lead many people to point to pols they think are psychos because they have those traits.
FDL should educate the uninformed as well as the expert is my feeling.
Our golden age of influence has passed with Citizen’s United. People should get involved and on the street whatever their pet cause. (not that yours isn’t important) I dare not find fault with animal rights activists or whatever else floats a person’s boat. My number one priority is campaign finance reform; how many would rally around that? Nothing will get accomplished however, until the government is afraid; and people won’t hit the streets en masse until they’re massively unemployed. Things will have to get a lot worse before they get better.
Thanks TCU. Perhaps Political Ponerology will have a list of traits that I could elaborate upon. It’s not a bad idea. Like “10 warning signs that your senator is a psychopath”.
I just ordered the book from the library $3 charge cause its an out of state book no idea when I will get it can’t wait to read it.