I love this house:
Image by Christian Haugen on flickr creative commons.
My husband and I are beginning our research to find a new home. We are baby boomers and we are poor, so we fit into the category of the many who will compete for cheaper places to rent during our transition.
By ‘finding a home,’ I mean that, while we have a roof over our heads and we are grateful for that, we do not now, nor will we ever, feel at home in our current Kafka living circumstance. I do not know if the words We Hate This Place are as appropriate as the words We Are Strangers In A Strange Land are. I have come to believe that America is really more like three or four separate countries.
Without going into a lot of detail, where we are now is neither a cultural nor a spiritual fit. Note that I say ‘spiritual,’ but not ‘religious.’ Religion has nothing to do with being a spiritual misfit. I am a spiritual misfit, just to give an example, because I rescue turtles and frogs off the road, but in the process I have almost become road kill myself. I want to move to a place where I can escort a turtle across the road without being yelled at and killed. Someplace where animals are respected and cherished would be really nice.
Where we live now, we spend a lot of time risking our lives walking and riding our bikes, because there are no bike paths or places to walk. We usually venture out together, but on Superbowl Sunday my husband went out alone. He was biking on the side of a road, and a carload of drunk people swerved toward him, shouted and heckled, and then threw a beer bottle at his head. We would like to find a home where people as a general rule do not try to kill bicyclists by swerving at them at high rates of speed and throwing beer bottles at their head. Someplace that has bike lanes and walking paths would be nice.
Also along the lines of activity, I would like to find a place that has an Old People’s Soccer league, because I miss playing soccer, and a place that has some sort of Scuba diving, because we both miss diving. A pond with a couple of living fish would be fine.
I find that an excellent independent bookstore, staffed by people who can read, to be sort of a must; a coffee shop where people who enjoy writing congregate- a bonus, and a town that has an art supply store with origami paper other than Michael’s- an extra bonus. Michael’s will get you by, I suppose, but when you want cow spots on your cranes, well…
I will do any sort of work, wherever I go. I love outdoor work, manual labor, anything.
In my quest for a small-to-mid-sized town full of artsy, outdoorsy misfits who have been voted off the island in the South, I came across Harvard’s Joint Center for Housing Studies 2011 State of the Nation on housing.
Man, was that ever bleak! Unemployment. The foreclosure fraud fuckfest. Poverty. I used to think, back when I had a career, that ‘those things’ happened to ‘other people.’ But now, we are the ‘other people.’
It wasn’t supposed to be like this. We were supposed to get an education, and then do better than our parents by working hard; things were supposed to fall in place. Even during the Great Depression, from what my parents tell me, people helped each other out as best they could; what happened to other people mattered. I want to move to a place where people matter to each other, instead of where people are looking for countless ways to shun, hurt, and lock each other up.
I came across another list this morning, based on a San Francisco study of voting patterns. It lists the top 200 or so most conservative and liberal cities in the US. The results may surprise you.
For our purposes, the most useful site is one where you can enter any city in the US, and see what rentals are available, and how much they are. The site is updated constantly. You can adjust the filter to your price range. The site is fabulous.
Our move will not be immediate, and it will likely be a two-step process. But, we are planning well in advance this time. Does anyone have any suggestions? Or are we dreaming? Does any such place exist in America today?




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My area is a bike path nexus. It’s about a half mile to the path through neighborhood streets and from there you you can get as far south as Cincy, north beyond Columbus (Might be all the way to Cleveland by now), west to Dayton without leaving the bike path. Xenia is very bike friendly.
Ohio in general is very Animal friendly, though it’s been a decade since I’ve seen a turtle cross the road. In Xenia, if you don’t have a pet you get weird looks.
Scuba diving DOES exist in Ohio, but even in the summer the water can be cold. I’ve got by with a shorty suit sometimes, but normally a full wetsuit is recommended. White Star quarry is full of fish and is basically designed as an amusement park for scuba divers. Lots of stuff sunk into the quarry for you to explore, but watch out for the garfish that hangs around the cement mixer.
I dunno about a old folks soccer league, but every community still sponsers sports leagues of almost every type. If there isn’t one currently, you can probably start one. But be careful, those GM retiree’s are tougher than they look.
one Indy bookstore, Books &Co. But it’s HUGE and frequently hosts talks by authors and such.
If there’s a spot in the area other than Michael’s, I don’t know of it. But we do have Michael’s.
And there’s a lot of landscape business in the area, if you like that sort of work. If you’re one of the fortunate ones immune to poison ivy, they’ll pay a premium to get you.
Boxturtle (You could end up with me as a neighbor, so don’t pay too much for property)
“But be careful, those GM retiree’s are tougher than they look.”
LOL! Yes. Don’t know about GM retirees, but old folk’s sports can be brutal.
This sound really cool. Let’s see…rents look affordable, particularly in Dayton. Good Lord, The Air Force Base is huge. Wright-Patterson- Fred’s father enlisted there after WWII.
Thank you, I was looking for some more current suggestions, because the internet stuff is kind of old. I will need to see when I am able to move, due to my legal situation, but as I said, we are going to do a better job of researching this time.
The Air Force Museum at Wright-Pat is worth a trip to Dayton by itself. The base is the main economic engine for the area anymore.
Boxturtle (The sports medicine center in Kettering does a good job with weekend warriors, too)
The current Huffington Post main page is titled, “America’s Poorest People Running Out Of Places To Live: Study”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/16/affordable-rentals_n_1282519.html
I referenced it above in the post as well.
From what a few friends have told me, Section 8 is really, really hard to get. My heart goes out to these people. One person I know- legally blind, caring for grandchild and dying mother- took her forever to qualify for SSI, then took months to get section 8. Just awful, for a lot of people right now.
Right on. I lost count of my orthopedic injuries a while back.
Wright-Pat sounds amazing.
my town
It’s not perfect, but I like it. We have a few Blue Herons that watch over our little river. You’ve got to pick the right area to live, but it’s affordable and quiet and 3 1/2 hours from DC. Yeah I know, it’s Virgina, but just like everywhere else, our politicians don’t represent us, just the money that got them into office.
Well , you might check this site
http://www.transitionus.org/transition-towns
out to see if there’s some synchronicity with your desires.
I’m on a section 8 waiting list; been on it almost 3 years and have been told it will be between 5-8 years before I get to the top of the list.
Just remember what the Stones sang: “you can’t always get what you want but sometimes you get what you need”.
Oregon is probably closest to your desires.
Remember this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN1J5sMv28Q
Just looked at the rents, and yes, it looks affordable, plus it has Labor Ready. In the past, I have worked Labor Ready- and it led to permanent job offers, so that is good. I love DC. One of my fantasies is to get a job, feeding the coral at the Smithsonian!But, when you’re in my shoes, you know, you start at the bottom.
We have Blue Herons here- magnificent birds.
Thank you, as I said, this time we are going to compose a comprehensive list and research before we make a move. Something close to, but not in the heart of, DC sounds cool.
Let me know if you ever want some more info.
Thank you, I have bookmarked the transitions towns page- sounds really good, and consistent with what we are ‘about,’ so thank you. This morning we were looking at Port Townsend…one of the towns on their list, I see.
I am just floored at what people have to go through to get section 8. Just awful. My heart goes out to you. Unbelievable. People are just barely hanging on, with substantial health issues during the whole agonizing process, sleeping on floors and couches, trying to take care of other people, no decent clean clothes to their back, having to spend an entire day just getting to and from an appointment or putting together some sort of a meal…and this is the United States? And then, and then,having to deal with the hate, and the indifference, and the judgment and the stigma, sadly, yes, this is what America looks like. Shameful.
The Blind Faith song is one of my all-time favorites, thank you so much.
5-8 years. Wow. It’s like they want people to give up. I often wonder how the haters can blend in with the rest of the passing public.
California could meet your needs in many ways. Some places are very expensive but north of Sacramento becomes much more affordable – unless you want to live in a tourist city. My daughter and granddaughter live in a city of about 12,000 and it’s quite reasonable (whatever that is these days). I hope that you and Mason find the absolute perfect place. But “home” is wherever you are together. Keep us posted on what you find in the housing market. Just read yesterday that people in southern California are walking away from their million-plus homes because the homes are now worth less than what they owe. These are very rich people who don’t want to waste any more of their money. Amazes me.
Was listening to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh80jJNgRrY
And the lines:
Growing up, growing up, Looking for a place to live Growing up, growing up Looking for a place to live Growing up, growing up, Looking for a place to live
And had to share; full lyrics here:
http://www.metrolyrics.com/growing-up-lyrics-peter-gabriel.html
Damn, do I like Gabriel’s music !! Gets ones feet moving.
Me too. My favorite: Don’t Give Up. BTW, who is the female singing the duet in this? Man, is she ever good.
Also, this, with Afro Celt Sound System:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em7bk_McVHU
His daughter Melanie. Thanks for the afro-celt.
In case you missed what one of his collaborators is doing:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/04/world/africa/youssou-ndour-senegal-singer-runs-for-president.html?pagewanted=all
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/senegal-opposition-hold-protest-ban-15711634
Yes, you are right, I lived in Los Angeles for a total of thirteen years, various places, off and on, and it is truly one of my favorite places. All of California is not unaffordable. Beautiful state, tons of excellent universities, great climate, nice people.
I have not lived there since the housing crisis- very sad situation. I did live there in ’94, and after the earthquake, witnessed a few people take the keys to their high-end condos to the bank- and drop them off. Even if you’re rich, it’s got to hurt, to walk away from a home.
We are looking forward to finding a new place and putting this nightmare here behind us. It may be another year before this is possible, but we are researching now, well in advance.
ubetcha, above, thank you for the news links, and …his daughter? OMG, she sings like a bird!
Best of luck to you CS. St. Louis is not very far from you. Yes I know Missouri right, Home is where the heart is.:)
We will still be here for quite a while, depending on my legal situation, but St. Louis has a couple of outstanding universities, and that is always a draw. Believe it or not, I was born in Kansas City, lived in Sedalia, and when I was little, visited and played in St. Louis because a family member went to medical school there- fond memories.
I am seeing some affordable rents as well.
Thank you popeye…we will still be around, no matter where we land.
You need a college town. Check out Madison Wisconsin. Of course Cambridge Mass. is the ultimate college town in my book. Maybe there is a place for you in Vermont? It’s more Canadian than American. Gee – all these places are cold. Do you rule out snow county?
Roswell New Mexico and Reno Nevada are towns that I remember as friendly but that was back in the day.
Check out the expats. It’s pretty hard to get away from Americans in the United States. My best to both of you. You richly deserve a fresh start somewhere.
The Big Isle is mighty liberal, CS…! And, you can even build your dream treehouse here…! ;-)
Hi CS. I moved up here to Cleveland from Florida last year in August for a lot of the reasons you mentioned and then some.
I live in the area previously. East of Cleveland in Geauga County out in the country. But since I am nor retired and not getting any younger decided to live closer in. My aunt and uncle and cousins used to live on the west side on W84th Street and I often visited them for a week or so in the summer.
Cleveland is one of the most walkable cities I have been in. And has a decent public transportation system as well. There are few places from the airport on the west side to Euclid, Shaker Heights, Beachwood on the East Side you cannot get to via bus or rapid transit.
It has education up the gazoo as well. With Baldwin College on the Westside in Berea to Cleveland State Univ., Cuyahoga Comm. College, Case Western Reserve Univ. and John Carol Univ. on the Eastside. And Kent State just south East.
It also has very good heath care. Cleveland Clinic, Univ. Hospitals and Cleveland Metrohealth (which I use). All of which have excellent financial help for those with no insurance. (Like me)
Access to local grown food – most from Amish farms – is readily available form the numerous farmers markets here. Shaker Heights (where I live) has one all year round. Inside in the winter and outside in the square during the spring, summer and fall. And there is also The Westside Market with is very large and contains local venders for just about anything.
Cleveland also has a fairly extensive park system. Cleveland Metro Parks runs from Rocky River on the west side down south to Mill Stream Run then east to Cuyahoga Valley national Park which has a scenic railroad the runs every day the length of the park. Then back north to South Chargin and North Chagrin reservations.
And there is also Shaker Lakes Park. A very large park and wilderness area just to the east of me. http://www.shakerlakes.org/
And wildlife all around. It is not unusual to see deer crossing signs (and deer) on major roads ans streets.
Add to the the various community gardens through out the area. Around 200 last count.
Housing can go from quite affordable to outrageously expensive. The most expensive being on the outer burbs on the east side and least on the west side. The west side was where the blue collar workers lived until the steel mills and factories closed. Now it’s pretty much a mixed bag of low income to middle income up by Lakewood. You can rent a duplex for around 400-500 bucks here now and they do have rent help and Section 8. Apartments the same.
But be advised here (and elsewhere) that any place you rent is owned free and clear. With the state of the mortgage situation and real estate being a tangled up mess, you don’t want to risk being kicked out because your land lord may not actually own the property. A very real risk now.
For a view here are the links to some shots I have taken so far.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29579640@N04/
http://www.pbase.com/wa4cm/cleveland_flats_area
http://www.pbase.com/wa4cm/shaker_lakes_park
http://www.pbase.com/wa4cm/flats_windows_and_doors
http://www.pbase.com/wa4cm/west_side
http://www.pbase.com/wa4cm/skaker_lakes_fall
http://www.pbase.com/wa4cm/west_65th
http://www.pbase.com/wa4cm/cleveland_other
http://www.pbase.com/wa4cm/radmom_clevelan_color
http://www.pbase.com/wa4cm/snow
Oh and there is only one place in Florida that is worth living in. Key West but only rich people can afford it.
Okay, thank you so much. Fred is a huge fan of Madison from way back, and it still tugs at his heart. He also mentioned Vermont, a place I have never been, but hear good things about; we looked at Reno- and it is affordable.
At the same time, I am searching Monster and other job sites, trying to creatively plan the second half of my life. We are keeping a list of everyone’s suggestions.
The ex-pat. Due to my drug conviction, some places are okay with it and others are not. That will perhaps be a long-long term project. Would like to find ex-pats who are sort of stuck here though, you know! This country right now, I tell you..
As I said, we are making a list, and we thank you.
Yes, we loved the Big Island. We even talked at one time about the elevation that we could live at, and dive on a regular basis. Just beautiful…Southpoint is the most spectacular place I have ever seen. Okay, this will go on the list, and thank you.
Oh my gosh. That was a real treat! I love yellow balcony, the windows, the doors, just everything! You are a talented photographer and artist. Wow. We will put this city on the list, and yes, the Cleveland Clinic is the US leading hospital in heart disease consistently, let me check…yup:
http://health.usnews.com/best-hospitals/rankings/cardiology-and-heart-surgery
That is THE place to go for cardiac surgery, world-class.
We will add Cleveland to our list, and thank you so much, and also for the beautiful pictures. (Saturday Art?)
Well, that’s not us, but I agree, the Keys are beautiful!
If you want. Be may guest.
Or as Victor Borge would say “By ah….by ah…by all means.”
I lived in Madison for 7 years (undergraduate and law school) from 1965-1972. Wild times and I have many fond memories. Absolutely loved it.
One of those memories is not so fond, however, and that is the weather — incredibly cold winters and sweltering humid summers.
I also love the ocean and can’t get the Big Island out of my mind and heart.
Given that no place is likely to be 100% perfect, Mad City still might be the best of the short list of right places.
Coolio, So ya know already that I’m not just bragging, eh…? ;-)
We’re trying to figure out if it’s possible to stay in Northern California and afford a place with a yard where we can grow our own food. It may not be. We can’t afford Oakland or the East Bay much longer. We are sorely tempted to go back to Tucson and I think you ought to put that on your list of places to check out. Pretty bike friendly, very affordable, and – counter-intuitively – not that far from the ocean. Rocky Point/Puerto Penasco is only four hours away. Very, very hot – but it really is a dry heat, except during July/August. The scenery is breathtaking and if you like birds, well, it’s heaven. So that’s the pros. Obviously there are some cons, given that it’s in Arizona.
Tucson is definitely on the list. I lived there for a time and absolutely loved it. Tucson is where I got into roller blading and horses. I love that there is no light pollution, and that the homes blend into the landscape.
The heat did not bother me- it is drier than Phoenix, and I love heat anyway. Totally agree with you on this. It’s on the list.
Actually kind of exciting. Thinking about starting a new life someplace.
I checked Oakland and some of the Bay today–too expensive. There are other areas in California though, so we will see about it.
And thanks for the compliment though I do not see myself as an artist. just some guy who like to take pictures. :-)
Best to you and yers, from me and mine.
Hating yer place, feeling it, not liking it is a horrid feeling and most disempowering.
We live on the cusp of drugs, street walkers, gangs and more, but a block away there are $1.5 million mansions.
We are cave dwellers, there’s a fence, a gate or two, but still the sherriff’s are regular visitors (unincorporated area) and the property security is always out manned when the dealers come in.
N it’s ok, really ok. MUCH worse a block away.
We, and NO friends/neighbors, have ever been broken into in 14 years so far, altho others HAVE and there’s been plenty of violence n drug dealing all along.
But, we don’t hate this. We DO hate the town in general. THAT’S another story. ;-)
However, we can’t change, n we ain’ goin nowhere cuz of lack of funds, so we remain thankful and bond with all neighbors who come and go as we can.
N that’s worked for us so far.
Best to you and yers Crane . . . *bows*
Ok. I replied to this cuz that tree house reminded me of someone I knew in the early to mid 70′s in San Mateo County.
I met him thru a small motorcycle shop he and another owned and operated.
They did good biz for a while.
HE lived about 20 miles out of the city up on a ridge, in the wilds of a region of the coast range east of SAN MATEO.
He built a large tree house, anchored to a circle of big redwoods. This is mid 70′s.
He had all kinds of stuff in there.
Did not suffer for much, had all he wanted, it was really luxury, a real house with insulation, and windows, and such.
He raced motocross till he blew out his back.
His place, I was at it once, looks SO much like the place you show in the PIC above, CS, it’s frightening.
I can’t recall his name, dang it. Nor his partners name in the biz.
But they were fun at the shop . . .
N this one dude, was incredible with his tree house off of Skyline Blvd., San Mateo County.
No rent, no property taxes, no hassles from John Law for some reason.
A dream, anymore I guess . . .
You two need any info about Sacramento, lemme know.
2 Bedroom apartmet, 830 and 100 average utilities.
One bedroom barely less . . . in the 700′s.
N that’s that.
Utopia?
Nowhere.
Thank you so much for stopping by Larue. the treehouse pictured above is in Laos, and it can house right people!
I figured as much. BTW, by miracle, we got the yellow bike working again. Wanted to let you know, but I suck at email sometimes.
Miss you!
“…but I suck at email sometimes.”
If the universe were to ever record the understatement of eternity, they would first knock on your door for directions. :>)
And yes, you do seem to have misplaced your loving feeling.
P.S. FYI: The Greek root for Utopia is nowhere. Pedantic? Of course.
Interesting? I try.
Thoughts on apartments. They always suck no matter how much you pay.
Never had one that did not have a plumbing problem.
It’s always a hike to – take out the garbage, get the mail, do the laundry (unless it’s built in – see plumbing above.)
Land lords fall into 2 categories. The kind that you see when you pay 1st and last and then never, ever see again. And then ones who a happy to rent to you provided you don’t actually live there.
The carpets never clean and impossible to keep clean even with highly corrosive acid.
Heh, yeah. We live in one, and the kitchen sink leaks, the furnace had some kind of problem, the carpets are dirty…on and on. I gave up on the carpet thing finally. I hate carpets! I would rather, and I am serious about this, I would way rather have cement floors!
or hard wood floors. The only real saving grace about my current digs. (Digs to be replaced this year. ;-)