These satirical robotic-voice videos portray the God-awful truth of prolonged unemployment, even for people with graduate degrees. It wasn’t always like this; a good education used to mean security, a job. We could do better than our parents, if only we worked hard and studied harder. A CNN short clip featuring a law grad with good credentials, who can only find work at a coffee shop shows the reality of today’s free-for-all market.
Given the dismal employment market, where graduates essentially beg to work as slaves, the atmosphere is perfect for predatory marketing and relentless criminal enterprise of the shameless for-profit schools.
In an article titled Neoliberalism and the For-Profit, Predatory Educational Industry: You Can’t Regulate a Criminal Enterprise, Danny Weil explains that “There are literally thousands of these schools in existence and most are online schools with office fronts that act as administration centers for the whole for-profit syndicate.” Dr. Weil names a few for-profit and heavily traded such schools: DeVry, ITT Educational Services, and others.
One such school, a start-up law school, was the reason my husband (Mason aka Fred) and I moved to Paducah, KY, in 2006. He was offered a job, and since he loves to teach, he accepted, and we relocated. Moving to Kentucky from the Pacific Northwest was like moving to a different country. Having Washington plates is probable cause for arrest here, but aside from that, he enjoyed his job, and we loved the lush beauty and friendly people in Paducah. I had never lived in a river town.
However, something was amiss with Fred’s new job. Call it intuition or whatever, but shortly after he began his work, I woke him up at 2 AM, and said, simply, “Your boss is a con man.” Fred told me I was crazy. (I cleaned that up because it is Over Easy) I said, “You watch.” To fast forward, I was right, and he blew the whistle, refusing to mislead or lie to students. Things went Orwellian for us after that, to massively understate.
I am not sure if we were experiencing the beginning of a new wave of shameless abuse of a vulnerable population (in this case, students), but almost all of the lawsuits I have read about these for-profit-gone-awry schools say the same thing, give or take, more or less, from the class actions involving screwed students from any one of these predatory schools. The irony is, were it not for raw greed, many of these schools would succeed and do well.
This one happens to be a class action from a different school in the area, Daymar College note: You must type “Daymar” into the search box:
According to Students, Daymar aggressively recruits students, and induces them to
enroll in and attend Daymar by making material, false, and misleading
representations, including promising full transferability of Daymar credits to other
institutions of higher learning, and jobs upon graduation. The Students now assert
that very few Daymar credits are actually transferrable, and that very few students
obtain any sort of job in their field of study after graduation.
An arbitration expert in this case explained that he had never seen a case where students were required to pay, up front, the entire cost of arbitration, which could amount to many thousands of dollars. In other words, the students have no recourse.
So, what does this look like in reality? I can tell you, from what I observed at the predatory school we had the misfortune of becoming involved with here. Deans were skimming the portion of student loan money that was allocated for living expenses. Even the loan company, Student Loan XPress, has been investigated for extensive loan corruption. Students were required to purchase books from one vendor at inflated prices, a vendor where one of the Deans was the sales rep. Students were receiving eviction notices because they could not meet their rent payments. Deans changed grades without telling professors and engaged in a (I swear to God) grades-for-sex scheme. Bank fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, admitting students who never should have been admitted, abusing faculty, and in general, what is called Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization (RICO). Just when things heat up enough, the whole group of cons, and you can never, ever tell who is the good guy and who is not, declare bankruptcy, leave town, stiffing the utility companies on their way out, and do the very same thing elsewhere.
As I see it, predatory for-profit education is a modified form of that corruption we saw before the housing boom fell, where white collar criminals posing as escrow companies, only without a physical address, valid phone number or any employees but with several off-shore bank accounts, stole people’s entire life savings, and the ensuing RICO litigation, after people realized that every penny they had saved since they were sixteen was gone, was so expensive, massive, time-consuming and complicated, that many people simply gave up, gathered what was left of their ruined lives and moved on.
The litany of horror from the school where my husband taught is here. While some students were able to complete their legal education elsewhere, there were no consequences whatsoever for the people who operated what amounts to a Ponzi scheme, and this is not an isolated situation at all.
Also, have you ever been telephoned by one of these predatory schools? I have. I remember saying, “Look. We are not communicating. I don’t have any money. Period. I have told you, over and over, never to call me again.”
You may also be interested in knowing that you have options, if you are poor, but wish to take classes. Many excellent schools, such as MIT, offer online courses free of charge. (MIT Open Course Ware)
An extra-curricular exercise, that cost $130,000
List of For Profit Colleges and Universities
Aided by Fox News, For-Profit Colleges Use Shameless Propaganda to Mask Shameful Conduct
Largest for-profit U.S. university expects to be put on probation by accreditor
PS: Standardized testing is yet another scam, I think. Do you agree?
Also, KrisAin is a hard act to follow! He has presented an excellent series on the topic of guns and gun control. Like Kris, I have a posting word ‘speed limit,’ which I have exceeded, so I apologize for that!



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Good morning, C-S and sleepy pups just wiping the fog from their eyes and turning on the computer. Up to read and follow links, but I am going to like this topic!
Thanks, C-S, taking advantage of our respect for institutions of higher learning, and kids, is about as low as you can go, except for all the other thefts by fraud. I’m so old I remember being surprised when answering a help wanted ad was exposing myself to fraud, the promise of a great job in return for payment to shady operators.
Notre Dame, where I worked for 7 years and retired from, has an OpenCourseWare program also.
Oh! Good morning to you as well. I still want to go back to school, so this topic interests me for personal reasons. People really need to know that if they get involved in a school scam, the courts, at least now, are not supporting the students.
So good to see you this morning!
C-S, hope you’re getting a charge out of Pat Robertson’s declaring second hand clothes to be possessed by demons? Please give a friendly greeting to all those demons you meet out there scrapping through what should be holy profits for corporations sponsoring Robertson’s drivel.
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/mens-fashion/demons-clothing-pat-robertson-2013
Good Morning, I am panting to take an Immigration course. You think the names above will offer something like that? I’ll certainly check.
You should Google OpenCourseWare and see what hits you get. The program began at MIT and now I think may encompass nearly their entire undergraduate course catalog. That was their goal. Every school tends to offer courses in their own specialties. I was (very peripherally) involved in the launch of Notre Dame’s OCW.
You don’t, of course, get course credit toward a degree, but many of the courses are quite full featured, with videos, audios, simulations, etc.
This guy is the most ring-a-ding-ding nut farmer ever. I am planning to attend a wedding this summer, and am working with the Goodwill staff on my outfits. My things so far are New With Tags, designer, and I have spent less than five dollars. Hell, I’ll tell you what. Some of the mall stores are struggling so bad these days you don’t even really have to dumpster dive. Talbots comes to mind. I dive because I often find vintage stuff, or high-end things like that Tumi luggage with the fantastic zippers.
Yes, as msmolly says, there are a lot of really top-notch universities that offer free courses. These courses are not a joke either. I considered MIT, but I am not sure I could hack their science, for real.
I have a whole book that explains how you can basically get a degree, free of charge, and I can do a post if there is interest.
Yes, I had a wonderful experience at Talbots….so happy
about that.
The devil is in the tails! There’s a second hand store here that is amazing, and you know what good jeans go for? try $2. I remember when the new ones cost less, because the kids wanted used.
Thanks…Ive been looking for the Immig stuff.
Ahh….Immig remark really was for M. Probably
need to go back to bed….;)
Since my N.TX. address is in a high rent district I got cards for free stuff, could really do well at a few stores trying to boost sales to the rich.
It almost made me sad to get an $80 pair of shoes at Talbots for five dollars a few years back. I felt like a thief. Their quality used to be really good, but at some point, things changed. Haven’t been in one in a while, but I suspect they are struggling, and the reason may be unemployment. Who needs career clothes when they don’t have a job!
Here you have a great topic and I had to shovel 5 inches of snow before getting here.
Great topic. Good morning fellow pups.
Our Goodwill is like a party. There’s a group of regulars, just people having a blast. Best cheap date ever.
Lord love a duck. Weren’t you shoveling snow a couple of weeks ago, or did I imagine it? So good to see you, thank you so much for stopping by this morning. Even though you have to shovel, I’ll bet it is beautiful.
Interesting; there is not one really near me. But there is an upscale resale that is still very pricey. Ridiculously so.
Good morning all and thanks for the postnwonderfulhost Craney.
Hit this up: UC Irvine Law OpenCourseWare, Immigration Law:
http://ocw.uci.edu/courses/?cat=6
Comment 21 is for you, and I avoid consignment shops. They are ridiculously overpriced!
You bet…thanks. B
Good morning everyone.
C-S, thank you for the interesting post. I will go back and check out the links later.
JC, we got about the same amount but the blowing has made it difficult to get out of the drive. Right now, I am waiting to go out and shovel so I can hang out with my friends for awhile.
Wow, 5″ again? We got sleet yesterday morning, then some of the biggest snowflakes I’ve ever seen, then steady snow in the evening, but looks like maybe 2″ all told for the whole day.
Just a mention, my nephew was hyperactive back in the day when there were decent online schools, it was the only way he could get a degree. So at one time there were useful schools worth the money. The present version preys off that earned respect.
Good morning, and thank you for stopping by this morning. As I said, Kris is a hard act to follow, so it’s cool to see fellow FDLs
toleratestop by on Wednesday!I think they’re still there, it’s just that the predatory ones spend so much on marketing. The only catch is, if you need to take a lab course. I should share some of the information I have about excellent distance learning options.
Good morning, AppleCanyon2, thank you for stopping by, and be careful out there!
You’ll love this CS. Goes right along with this diary.
Notre Dame! Wow, that is cool, I did not know that. I’ll have to look at their site.
That does ignore that the loans being made by privatized loan businesses instead of direct from the institutions or the gov’t is the factor making student debt into huge problems.
The point being Ruth that there should not have to be loans at all. That education…liker every other damn thing in this asinine country is a short term fix.
And to hell with the long term consequences.
Typical Washington/Wall Street small minded thinking. What one would expect from a 5 year old child.
Our newspaper had a weekend piece about how much a college ed is needed for even the most rudimentary jobs, all viewed as upgrade in the workplace. Was an interesting discussion….All true? Don’t know.
Oh wow, yeah. Don’t even get me started on standardized tests. I am seeing a trend and an industry around test taking such that there is no longer any critical thinking going on. It’s all about who has the most money to spend on the prep course, and entire degrees are designed to take and pass the next test: the GMAT, the LSAT, the MCAT and the VAMPIRE BAT. It’s insane. My son absolutely backhanded the LSAT, but the only reason was that my parents paid for a ridiculously overpriced prep course. What about the kids who don’t have family to help with formulated tests…kids who are talented nonetheless? Those kids get left out, and there’s more and more pressure on standardized tests these days. Why? Money. That’s why.
I try not to miss Over Easy and C-S you, along with all of the folks who write these articles do a mighty fine job.
I missed the last five days because of subbing and it is really good to start the morning with the great conversation here.
Long, long ago and far, far there was a college education that opened minds and poured in ability to think, reason, and actual factual knowledge that enhanced the value of the potential employee and was worth the individuals’ and businesses’ having.
I’ve not kept track at all, but when ND began, they were concentrating on course offerings in areas where they are known and respected. Philosophy, religion, etc. although their science and business colleges are quite well regarded, I think. It was a huge project to get off the ground, but I think has been reasonably successful.
I did notice this morning that the Over Easy went to the Front Page yesterday evening.
And that is such a shift….I have taken several of those tests and never had a prep course; used to think they were for the kids who were already behind. Now they seem SOP.
Kind of like checking the slaves in the slave market.
Good morning, pupses, and thank you C-S.
Dreary here this morning with clouds and drizzle. Seems odd that there is so much static electricity in the house when it must be pretty humid outside. Every time I stroke Arry here in my lap (between me and the iPad, of course) we get a shock. I bet if I rubbed her with a sweater I could stick her to the wall.
I wish I could remember the article or post yesterday where I thought I read that Bill Clinton was visiting Africa on a trip hosted or sponsored by a for profit ed outfit. I may have dreamed it, but I remember thinking, oh boy….
Also looked like it went on for quite a spell…I didn’t see all that until this morning….
So glad your Kid got that. People locate to good school districts for this reason, too. I still think the basic factual knowledge that sound education offers is worth having for other reasons as well.
Well, I hope that someone in ed chimes in, but what I observed in my area (Kentucky prison) was that there was great emphasis on the GED, at least. I tutored some folks for this test, and I was pretty shocked at how little one needs to know to pass this test. Color me pessimistic, but I don’t think these tests mean much of anything. Some people who had never completed grade school were brilliant with algebra, for example, but were unable to sit for such a test, while others did not seem to think things through could pass the test. If that makes sense.
Unfortunately certification is not the answer: this can end up being another scam. I have a 4-year degree (my second of two) in a skill that once subject to certification had me competing with people who had 2 weeks training. The certification costs thousands (that I never had – after all I paid for a second degree and should get some *credit* for that) and does not measure or judge the determining factors of providing quality services. I’m not the only one saying this but it took 10 years to run across someone of a like mind to mine.
And of course, in this particular case the certification process is in large part indoctrination in aspects of the endeavour that I reject. Reader’s livelong dilemma, replayed. One can only laugh ruefully.
My other advanced skillset, based on 20 years experience, is now ALSO certified and this -pardon me- scam is being run by bona fide universities. I understand there is a lot to learn if you are starting out -after all it took me 20 years to get this good- but as well as being too old I am now locked out by the requirement that I give more money (that I now do not have) to the university to “qualify” for work I have done for 20 years.
Okay, now I am making myself sad and angry ….
And don’t get me started on the third professional designation that people think I excell at. Certification is now REQUIRED and it costs thousands in ongoing expenses for training that DOES NOT INCLUDE any mention of what I judge to be the factor that determines success. It was only funny for a couple of weeks that I was asked to take on this role on a volunteer basis year before last: “you could do this in your sleep.” And that was a very challenging project – all kinds of benefit to the community and all but ….
All that and more has led me to the firm belief that EVERYONE deserves a living wage for every public contibution.
And people STILL tell me that “volunteering can lead to employement” ~ except I say back: “I tried that for 10 years with no success.”
#dontgetmestarted
I am not convinced this is the obvious solution.
Education is much more than preparing for a vocation/ job.
I received a solid liberal arts education. It was not designed to prepare me for any particular vocation/ job. It did prepare me to enjoy a fuller life.
He was very fortunate. For one thing, he had my Mother in his life, and she is one hell of a teacher. But also, these prep courses for the standardized tests are an expensive fact of life, and they exclude people with talent and merit but without means, and I believe that is wrong.
#speakingofbadmanners
Good morning, lovely ‘pups!
And excellent diary, CS, as usual. Hope you are feeling fine this monring!
My last diary touched on this subject as well.
I worked for 30 years at a state university and it left a bad taste in my mouth.
Morning, oldgold. I still believe, likely because I was raised this way, that there are solid reasons for education, for the sake of education.
When my dau was very young, K or 1st, one of her friends (parents) was told she was immature in coloring…..I will never forget. They tried to work with the school for more time, but she had to go to another school.
Im old; back in the day, parents were never involved/”pushy” in the way they are now. It’s all such a balance; of course, they need to be involved, but how much?….
Problem is that I was finding more and more people with high level degrees who were still dumb as dirt outside their tiny little areas of supposed expertise.
707070700707070070077777!
I agree….Im Liberal Arts: what’s that worth? But I would not trade my college years for anything. Luckily, have been able to go back to school, also.
*g*
When I hear a story of a very young child being told something like this, it bothers me. Little kids develop physically at different rates, and being told something like that will likely be the only thing one remembers. As for involvement, I don’t know. I wish some lurking teachers would join our discussion this morning!
I do remember from growing up with a teacher, one thing my mother hated was the “My kid would never” parents, and also, she would do things like call a kid’s mother on the phone and say, “I can’t teach Billy when he’s in the barber’s chair. We had an agreement that he’d be in class and not at the barber.”
I think this is a marketing/capitalism effect: they tell you it’s mandatory so they can sell more ‘product’ and next thing we know … we all believe it’s mandatory. And then if enough people are getting the help it actually becomes a necessary part of the process for everyone.
Thank you so much, reader, so good to hear from you, and yes, I am feeling well this morning! (I hope it stays that way!)
Yes, it was ourageous; I truly will never forget and was shocked at the time.
Yes, the thing to do. If the tutoring is so necessary, something really is amiss in the schools, imho, or with the parents.
Me either. (Especially the ones before Reagan got elected.)
As another child who couldn’t color within the lines, and still can’t, I am sad for the child being told that was immature. A child in my dau’s kindergarten class was told she was slow, and the parents were aghast. She spoke two languages, hadn’t learned to read in English yet.
I wondered why some people showed up late who rarely visit here in the mornings. Didn’t realize we were front-paged. I often check back late in the day to see who’s here chatting.
In higher ed, we call them “helicopter parents” who swoop in and hover and make sure their little darlings are getting absolutely the best of everything. They can be quite a nuisance.
We are dinosaurs, oldgold. My senior thesis at Luther in Anthropology was “Teaching Multicultural Non-sexist Education in a Pluralistic Society” :)
I am no specialist in education or learning … except for understanding my own learning process the better to hack mySELF.
I have long thought I was so fortunate to have a college/university education mother. I only found out later in life that she studied music (I knew that) AND PHILOSOPHY. This was AFTER I demonstrated a natural affinity for philosophical discussion.
I could always write and do good grammer but I couldn’t understand the grammer rules. I attributed this to osmosis. And I see myself learning by osmosis most of the time. I crack my brain less and less and more and more expose myself and let things cook. AND just yesterday I saw this idea reflected in something I was reading from 1997! Cool that.
Anyway back to the story … I thought it must be my mother’s influence early in life. But then I realized that my father (engineer and ALL that means …) is a leader in writing in his work AND -here’s the shocker- my BROTHER who barely got out of high school -speaking of boys and education- is also an avid thinker, reader, and communicator.
When I was in high school we were all terrified of taking the SAT tests and what our scores would be. It was all so simple then … and I haven’t been able to bring myself to take these tests seriously since. And you may know I am suspicious of certifications …
I guess I was a day early with posting this link about the requirements for WI public schools K-12 as this applies anyway.
http://my.firedoglake.com/krisainca/2013/02/26/over-easy-firearms-for-foreigners-or-part-3/#comment-121
The link at the comment goes to explanations of the nation-wide standards being implemented, how public schools are going to have trouble meeting the standards and how, I feel this is another tactic after union busting (in WI) to weaken our traditional public schools.
Morning C-S, just in from moving snow, hoping it will positively affect lake levels, and up to read the comments. Excellent topic, thank you.
The simple joy found by reading someone’s entire post (take note, anyone who failed to read mine yesterday). I find a shoutout at the end :)
Thanks CS. I <3 your writing and look forward to your posts each week.
My wife has gone through a bit of tribulation over nontransferable credits. She attended a community college in Oakland, CA for 2.5 years. She started out with the intention of getting a California Substance Abuse Counseling Certificate, but realized after the first year and a half that she need only take an additional 18 credits to get her AA. She finished out the Certificate and used the next semester to finish her AA, then moved on.
We moved down here to Texas and she was told by the office of Admissions at UT that roughly 40 of her credits from California were not transferable. They said "your studies were too vocational". Whatever the fuck that means. When someone is pursuing a degree in psychology, aren't courses like Psych 101, Behavioral Psych 101, Pharmacology, etc., needed to graduate? Why yes, according to the University of Texas, they are! But not if you took them as part of a Substance Abuse Counseling Certification program in the state of California.
She was told she would need to repeat the exact same courses (at full price, you betcha) at UT.
After 3 years of school, almost 80 credits of coursework, an AA from an accredited California CC, and a state certificate from California in Substance Abuse Counseling, UT offered her admission as a sophomore.
Hard to believe at any age, but in college would have been
truly awful….
Indeed! I see that still …
Certificates are expensive, that’s for sure, and from what I have heard, they do not lead to employment. Back when I had money, I got a certificate at U of WA, and I think it cost around $2000. Something like that.
“Utopians in Iowa:Communia”
Wow. There are really no words: it’s a load of *&^%ing nonsense. Aggravating. This is why I have opted for no more paid education. I have benefited from my journey, but I know half of any program I would take already. And I am tired of being a profit center for people with fulltime jobs and profitable “businesses.”
I only took entrepreneurial training because I ran across a free program at my alma mater. It was a flyer and seemed to have a lot of things I was missing in previous experience/training. It’s been mixed and even this morning I surprised myself thinking I might take a Masters to get access to the business development program that goes with it … I dunno.
Sometimes -often- I think the answer is for smart people to INVENT their own profession/methods … and start certifying other people. Going to the dark side.
My older brother and his wife met at Luther, way back when. I’m so Pavlovian that when I see your name, I check the Decorah Eagles. No eagles, just snow on some branches. Them eagles is about as useless as a screen door on a submarine.
I was very young when my brother went to Luther, but I do remember visiting him there, and before that, Kemper. Ever heard of Booneville, MO?
Yup. Nothing seems guaranteed anymore. I see these things as businesses with products now. But you can’t beat steady employment if you can get it.
Why yes….I dated a guy who had been sent there after his parents had given up….Thanks.;)
That’s unfortunate and disgraceful, Kris!
I had the opposite experience, although not “vocational.” I dropped out of Ohio State in the 60s to get married. I had decent grades the first couple of years, but by the midpoint of Junior year when I got married, my grades had deteriorated — not failing, but not great either.
I went back to school in ’84 to finish my degree, and discovered to my chagrin that credits for every course transferred, including the grades! It took me a couple of years of straight 4.0s to graduate with a 3.0 in ’86. It was great that the credits transferred, but couldn’t I have left those grades behind??
I was very fortunate in that my mother never pushed me or my siblings toward ay area or made it at all about money.
We were encouraged to pursue our own interests to the best of our abilities and to always keep an open mind.
I will always miss her dearly for this alone.
But then she was an artist.
Them eagles just aren’t into us anymore. :-(
Owls, maybe. Owls are interesting?
oops, forgot: LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
I flunked “skipping” in K. I remember I just could not “get” the movement of it. I can still remember thinking about how to do it, can still go there in my mind.
There was a story I saw about how these for profit scam “schools” steal from the soldiers coming back from I/A, they get all the “retraining” money and leave these people with no credit transfers to real schools, all their money gone. It was heartbreaking.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
I am so sorry she went through all that money, time and trouble. Those credits absolutely should have transferred. What bullshit.
Yes, I enjoyed your series, and noticed, sadly this morning, that there was a mass shooting, in Switzerland, I think. I could be wrong.
Thank you so much for reading and commenting, and sharing your wife’s story, BTW, she has written for FDL, granted, I have not always been here for personal reasons (my legal case) but I enjoyed her articles…have not seen her in a bit. I am sure she is busy with school.
That’s some fancy business model: another way to transfer taxpayers’ money to the scammers! Disgraceful.
I had to make up courses in swimming in college, flunked it the first time and could not graduate with an F in anything. Seriously.
Payday loan sharks abound around military bases, too, seems the soldiers are fair prey to a lot of crooks.
Y’all enjoy the morning and the day….will check back. ;)
I think it’d be great to invent one’s own profession. That’s just the sort of work I need. I’ll get started brainstorming.
I forgot to mention in my initial comment – $34,000 in student loan debt for those 3 years. Not all of that was tuition and books, of course. We took loans to supplement our income while my wife was in school full time.
She has a blog that she posts to most Mondays and Fridays. She’s working full time right now and still doing school part time, so her internet time is limited.
Her blog isn’t usually topical or political, more about daily life, but you can find it here – http://thejoysofhavingtwodaughters.blogspot.com/
I actually read her blog whenever she posts. It gives me some insight into her thoughts and feelings that she doesn’t always give voice to :)
LOL priceless. Skipping…
Heh. Too cool that everything transferred. And you graduated with a 3.0! Be proud of that!
I’ve never taken a college course. I dropped out of high school twice. I went back and got my GED when I was 21.
C-S, I spent 38 good years teaching HS Social Studies starting in 1970 and retiring in 2008. I still sub not only because I enjoy it but because it helps take care of some of my wife’s meds.
Retiring was difficult but they made us an offer we could not refuse.
I have seen a lot in those 38 years of teaching and coaching and the many happy and sad stories I could tell.
In my later years, it was all focusing on the standardized tests because the schools in Illinois were/are judged on progress scores as set up in the ridiculous No Child Left Behind standards set by the Bush Administration.
Setting aside 5 Saturdays for ACT prep classes to get the students ready for the upcoming ACT that year.
Publishing names of schools that do not meet AYP (Adequate Yearly Progress) so that the teachers and the school is perceived as bad.
I could go on and on, but it is better not to get me started.
Good Morning Crane Station and Firedogs,
damn, late for class – pls dont’ make me stay after . . . :D
nothing to add really – other than my daughter is in grad school at Brandeis – NOT getting an MBA thankyewverymuch, a hard headed little thing, she is pursuing a doctorate in antiquity studies (in this economy) – with aspirations for a professorship somewhere, someday
That is shameful and heartbreaking. There was a time when returning soldiers could complete their studies with the GI Bill. My father did this.
This country doesn’t make any damn sense. Aren’t there countries where public education is available as far as one wants to go: Germany? Am I wrong about that? Why can’t the US do something that makes sense for a change?
Sounds appropriate to me. We do have an atiquate3d economy. :-)
Sounds appropriate to me. We do have an antiquated economy. :-)
{damn no edit}
Finland would be my guess :D
In Germany and the Netherlands and Belgium and ….
And they also have non-structured primary schools as well.
Because here it is all about the profit.
The Cold War GI bill (Sen.Yarborough) was in the interest of the country, later was amended by wingers to get privatized use of the funds and prey on the taxpayer dollars it utilized in taxpayer interests.
I worked nights and weekends while doing undergraduate. But graduated with no debt. Not a dime.
Every Land Grant school in the country was like that.
It was the 1960s !!
Then they stopped taxing the rich………………
By the way: what that “school” did was fraud. Simple common law fraud. How could it not be fraud ???
Outstanding. Thing is, she’ll likely pull it off, because she’ll be filling a specific niche. Don’t know what her thesis is, but that sounds fascinating. It makes me think of books, written on stone, Papyrus and scrolls. Matter of fact, I’m jealous.
I’m working on my own profession: got a couple of candidate ideas … but I may not be the “right stuff.” Still, I keep at it and think about devoting 100% of my time to this. One appraoch I have found is to think combinations of diverse skills ~ that’s where we each have uniqueness. Then as my entrepreneurship mentor says: “all you need is revenue.” Indeed.
The education loans are like the cars for me: I skipped all that or I would be broke now and on the street. And time/money will run out.
One thing I have noticed now about this process is the things I really like doing are becoming clearer and my tolerance for doing things I don’t want to do is completely running out!
Sorry about the dustup on your diary yesterday, Kris. People never tire of being foolish, it seems. The series is great ~ we do need these facts and this discussion. Thanks for your leadership.
having an excellent and vivid memory – I often reflect on the quality public education we as boomers received (before Prop 13 in CA. and standardized tests everywhere)
maybe we should appreciate today’s educators even more – we ask so much of them for so little – trying to recall a single teacher of mine having to provide materials and supplies at their own expense -
Good Mornin’
:D
:-))
Nixon on HMOs
Always about the profit.
Absolutely without a doubt it was fraud. And unfortunately, exposing fraud these days has consequences. You would think that whistle blowers would be applauded, but they are not.
Things didn’t used to be like this. I took my liberal arts degree in the late 70s/early 80s. Seems like it was all downhill from 1980 on.
Try it again
HMOs
Sorry, can’t make the link work :(
Oops, page not found. At least Nixon brought us the Clean Air Act, didn’t he?
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/politics/photos/six-good-things-richard-nixon-did-for-the-environment/clean-air-act
It’s a sad day when Nixon starts to look good, you know?
Hell, sometimes we wish for Reagan! :-(
Okay, that’s really cool, because I get a sense that she really enjoys writing. Oh, it’s also cool that you read her posts, I’m serious. You see, I force my husband to read my posts…or else. Old and married, we are!
(There is no law on the books that says she can’t cross-post at FDL, you know)
It isn’t as easy to prove fraud in current courts, as the standard has become proof of intent rather than effect. It’s possible to prove intent as in the Enron case, when recordings of telephone calls expressing their intention were discovered. It’s not when as in the past admin, communications of an official nature were conducted off the premises, and then deleted – which is not allowed by law, but again, the courts don’t follow on the heels of criminals when laws are written by them to prevent it.
This is mean, but I’ll repeat it because I didn’t say it but I will never forget it. I was in college, and a letter to the editor when he was elected said, simply, “Shit. Maybe he’ll die in office.”
I didn’t say it, I am just the messenger!
If I had kids I would be so worried about the negative effects of “modern” institutionalized education.
As time goes on I am more and more shocked at what a useless propagandized puppet Reagan was ~ part of my ‘education’ over the past few years. And now it’s beyond the person; the whole system sucks.
Warren 2016!!!!!
On Pat Robertson:
http://www.salon.com/2013/02/26/pat_robertson_there_could_be_demons_attached_to_your_thrift_store_finds/
If his brains was dynamite, he wouldn’t have sense enough to blow the kneecaps off a flea.
You mean it’s an option? To be married and NOT have to read the spouse’s post????? I may reconsider my single ways … LOL!!!!
Hear, hear!
Carmona/Warren, or Warren/Carmona 2016, how about that for a ticket?
And in the formerly great state of WI, the theft is wide open as Walker has allocated $121M for voucher schools to help put them on a parody with public schools. Fortunately some Republican State Senators who are smart enough to realize this will devastate small rural school districts in their home territory, are sounding off with some opposition.
Direct links to his campaign donors’ voucher school agendas and it is simply open payback to contributors, he doesn’t even blink an eye about it.
The School of Goodhair, where contributions have -on paper- allowed the removal of Oglalla out from under the nuclear waste dump he’s been paid to allow.
Mr. does not read anything I post. He thinks teh crayzee is contagious. I’m fine with that. It’s nice to have a small sliver of life that belongs to me alone. When you live together and work together, even small distances are precious.
Feingold is still hanging around teaching law. Foreign affairs expert extraordinaire, also.
OK, I laughed so loud I scared the cat!
You don’t even want to know, but yes, for real, we do read and edit each other’s posts. We do not alter content, but we edit each other for our respective ‘issues.’ I cannot spell my way out of a fucking sack, and he is a spelling Rainman. Mason, on the other hand, IMO, used to have a tendency to overwrite. I’d say stuff like, “This is really great, for about five people. You need to cut the word count by fifty percent.”
KrisAin has mentioned word count, and I really believe it, even as I ramble in this comment.
I liked Feingold and then I wasn’t sure … I’ll go for any move Warren makes though. In the meantime I am thinking of “talking” her up every chance I get. I would love to have any inkling what her plans are. I am SURE she has thought of the 2016 angle. Especially after handling the senate campaign so well.
lol – darling daughter attended one of the best public schools in the country – and it was packed with that sub species…
c’mon, inquiring about extra, extra credit projects at 7th grade back to school night ?!?!
a B- on an AP Algebra test ?!?! the horror !!!
there was a pack of them who were catty in a concern troll kind of way about other kids performance – including mine
so when the big day (SAT Scores are here !) arrived and daughter’s script read 60 points shy of perfect, I had the little score slip printed on a t shirt and wore it to several parents events senior year – helicopter this ! :D
Heheh. And you’re still married after savaging each other’s writings? Nice.
I have word count issues myself – on paper AND in person!!! LOL.
And another story. I wrote so well I was once the only employee NOT invited to a writing course. They relented and let me go. I learned a bad habit: seems some people think you have to be totally explicit … apparently too stupid to measure what the audience knows already vs. what they need to hear from you. Leads directly to overstating everything.
Sounds perfect having a partner to troubleshoot like that ~ I’m aiming for that!
“For about five people” makes me laugh and reminds me of a fellow classmate during my second sojourn at University.
Friend A: So, did you talk to Friend B on the phone last night?
Me: Yes.
Friend A: She’s interesting and entertaining, isn’t she?
Me: Yes, it was great …. for THE FIRST 2 HOURS …!
… after the first 2 hours, not so much.
So what is your word count max, CS and KrisA?
I am going to write my Dear Warren Buffett post sometime soon, and I’d like that guidance.
Anyone remember when a 1,000 word essay in university/college was HUGE? LOL.
Good morning cbl. We grew up in a time when the teachers had respect, were not vilified, and we learned subjects that made us life long learners.
The parents I really needed to see during Parent/Teacher Conferences could not or would not attend. If they had a job that limited their attendance we could talk on the phone and discuss their student’s progress, but it was the parents whose children were successful that always showed up to talk to us.
Home life has changed so much too. Many of these parents have two and three jobs just to make ends meet so it is not all their fault with what has happened in the last 30 years.
I understand totally, the concept of finding some semblance of privacy within a close marriage. I am thankful for the live-in talking dictionary, but we do have other things that remain pretty private. We read completely different genres, for example. We try to interest each other, but it never really works out.
ROTFLMAO!! My kids go to a school like that. The parents harassed the K teacher for not properly organizing books on the shelf. As if a public school teacher has the luxury of that kind of time.
The thing is, we tolerate the obsessive parental environment because the schools where that type of parent lives are high achieving districts. I want my kids to grow up expecting to have a certain life as default, not even thinking about it. I never had that luxury and shot much lower.
Here it is, C-S
Nixon HMOs
There are so many impacts on education. Back then, so many less distractions for parents, teachers, and students. Now, competition everywhere for everyone’s time and attention. Survival always tops it.
Not everyone is wired to move past all the obstacles in life. A few can do it, but it is really tough, and most cannot rise above it all.
Recommended!
Sacrificing education is not a good long term strategy. Unfortunately, we have been doint it to an ever greater extent for a long time. See Education – http://newprogs.org/blog/2012/01/14/education-under-democraticrepublican-uni-party
Sorry, that was really a response for Crane-Station.
Sometimes WordPress inserts the diary and comment html ahead of the actual URL you’re trying to link to. Happened to me yesterday. You can use your left arrow key to scroll to the beginning of the link to make sure it hasn’t done that, but it doesn’t happen often and I don’t think to do it.
So, fixed.
Does not apply to all teachers, even back then. I had some really sloughing off sorts, even back in HS grad year ’62. We gave them respect, but some didn’t earn it. I will never forget the history teacher who made us copy blackboards full of written text into notebooks, and taught us the Civil War was about buying high, selling low.
Mine has been 800 for quite a while. Early on in my posting, a Lexington print newspaper wanted to print one of my posts, and they had an 800 word limit, so that’s where I got the idea. I really try not to exceed 1000. I read some guy last week who suggested 500-700. It is hard to get into any kind of depth with that, but I think his point was that the 2013 internet audience has a short attention span.
This post is a rambling screed, over 1000 words. Sorry about that. I didn’t think I could tell the story in less.
I think mostly if you get to 1000 words that’s plenty. And don’t have really long paragraphs, so there’s lots of white space. I can do 1000 words without breathing hard, so I do a LOT of editing down after I get thoughts on “paper” for my posts.
There should be a National Teachers Day – a real one, not a half off white sale kind of one either – it’s a calling, we should honor it – period
Thank you!
Just substitute “education” for health care….
We used to call Kaiser “K-Mart by the Sea,” for one of the ones in So Cal, inside joke, but hospital buying groups have ruined medicine, and lives, in my opinion. And for what? A little bit of money.
(movie line. Fargo)
Shameful. Weird, watching and listening to Nixon.
Well said. Thank you.
Accepted practice now.
I don’t know if people
a. don’t see it happening
b. approve
c. are too damn exhausted trying to keep food on the table to be able to care
I never understood all this hating on the teachers until someone explained to me that teachers do not have money or political clout, so teachers are perfect for the haters.
Shameful.
Thank you for the link. Great website, with many links. A lot of work went into the site, I can see, thank you.
be sure to fill in the bubble next to your choice completely with your #2 pencil
We ARE about the same age. H.S. grad ’61.
I will share a story that you just hit on. I did not mean to be all inclusive about all teachers being good.
My first year in teaching, 1970 and we were in the Teacher’s Lounge and one of the other Social Studies teachers proudly announced what he said to a young 7th grader that came running up to him and said,
Mr. Hand, I passed the Constitution test finally.
Mr. Hand’s response was “Don’t get excited, we are just sweeping you out the door with the rest of the dirt at the end of the year…”
I let him have it even though I was only a first year teacher and I wish I could have smacked him too.
It was a learning experience that I never forgot and I treated all my students with respect from that day on (if I did not do it before)
I just had to call the H.S. where I taught those 38 years. One of my student’s is now the office secretary. I identified myself and her reply was “Hi Mr. B. what’s up…” It gave me a little smile so I guess I did something right.
Oh crap, used my red pen.
cbl, that is a really nice thought.
I had to smile when you said it though because we would have to have it approved by this do nothing Congress who wants to do away with the Education Dept.
There are so many idiots in this Congress, I do not know where to begin to start identifying them.
Really good piece. If there were any real justice in this country, these fuckers would be locked up inside a federal supermax, sharing cell space with Lloyd Blankfein, Jamie Dimon, etal.
These scumbags are members of a Gangster Class, stealing money in any and every way they can; it does no one any good to understate this reality.
as to public comments on education, among many others the president has made a great deal of early education possibilities.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/education/early-childhood
look for the non opposable thumbs
You get an ‘N’ in the ‘Follows Directions The First Time’ box :)
Have a good day, everyone.
Ohmmmm
Excellent point on the loan companies. They are in it too.
OmAli, thank you for stopping by and commenting, have a great day!
Thanks for standing up against abuse. My mother taught school, it never beckoned to me at all. Of course, I knew many teachers as her friends, and was a little too wiseacre to them and got myself in hot water too much.
No doubt. While poor and disabled people sit in county jails or in prison for ten years for personal use amounts of weed, these thieving scumbags get to keep their bar licenses and hunt prey, from state to state. Really. It’s almost like all the RICO lawsuits look the same. Lives in absolute ruins. Entire life savings stolen. Blah blah blah. And in each and every instance, it seems, the courts dismiss the case for this fucking reason or else for some other fucking reason.
They do it because they can.
I didn’t know your mother was a schoolteacher! Far out. I gotta get my mother back to telling her stories. She turned 88 in December, and was having trouble with eyesight to where I could not write her story and post it, because she could not read it. I gave her a month to get to an eye doctor!
Very interesting post, Crane-Station, and so many commenters have um, interesting storeis relating to education.
Yes, I sometimes think we boomers did grow up in a golden age for education….before this craziness of for-profit took over.
DeVry used to have a good reputation; I remember the secretary of the judge for whom I worked in the ’80′s hoping her hs age son would get in…back in Chicago. They only had a few locations at the time. Kris or someone mentioned here that ITT bought them, I think? That must be when they expanded, and took on the fraudster model.
Law school – so expensive, so few jobs, legal practice changing and firms going out of business, consolidating…so much of it that the shorthand term has become “law school scam.” Just google that term and you’ll find tons of blogs and articles. So glad that C-S’s son managed to find a job…that’s a rare achievement these days.
I was going to mention the headlines about the factory shooting in Switzerland…not many details released, except that it was an employee who was the shooter. And the article said it was the second one in recent months! So we may not have Switzerland as an example of an armed society that doesn’t use the arms for personal violence.
It sounds one of our typical office/factory/workshop shootings.
I do think that’s one of the things that never used to happen, but once it did it gave others the idea, and now it’s a regular thing. No doubt the Swiss shooters got the idea from us. Sigh.
Ha, speaking of word count…sorry my initial comments have been so prolix. I keep thinking I’ll just throw out everything briefly (!) and then get back to work….
I love it when people move. New microwave, new chest of drawers, cherry.
#DumpsterDiving
You have never been wordy, tejanarusa. Not at all.
I am guilty of over-writing though. One thing that cured me of being long-winded was Twitter. I used to think it was impossible to say anything in 140 characters!
By the way, Crane-Station, do you know what did happen to fraudulent law school’s founders when they moved on?
I remember while working in the fed court, we saw a fair number of criminal cases of, usually, mail fraud (in those days – no internet yet). Invariably, the defendants were people who had previously been convicted, served their time or probation, ordered never to engage in this type business again, etc.. They simply change the business name, move, generally to a different state, and do it all over again.
The pattern was so clear I concluded that con men types just can’t help themselves; they cannot reform, they will always do it again.
It was frustrating for the prosecutors, because the nature of the people who perpetrate these things is to hide, move on, change names, etc. and do a slightly new version of the same scam until they get caught again.
It is very hard to put them out of business.
But in those days, they were selling say, inflatable boats that didn’t float, or bust developers, or fake vitamins, with profits in the tens or hundreds of thousands.
Nowadays, they sell mortgages or college degrees and make millions.
It seems we have returned to an age of “caveat emptor.” The masses have been persuaded that regulation of business is evil, so now it’s every man for himself.
Okay, I thought the sad news came from Switzerland. That surprised me, actually. Very sorry to hear about that.
I tell you, I got down on my two knees and thanked God when my son got a job offer. I had no idea how bad it really was out there until I watched his search. Anyone in law school needs to start a job search no later than, I think he said, the second year.
That’s kind of you…and yes, twitter! I feel exactly the same! I often have to recast my tweet because it’s too long, and it’s quite good discipline.
The founders looted the bank account and left town. Yup. Sure did. I do not know where they are or who they are preying on today. Important to know that they are not unique. This is not an isolated situation. I don’t know who divided up what on whose terms, or whatever. I have no idea where the money went.
I do know that a lot of people were hurt, and left in the wake, and the predators suffered no accountability or consequences at all.
Interesting article. Well done !
This recalls Carl Hiaasen. His tales of wayward, utterly flawed human dregs — matched to selling Florida underwater properties — fit perfectly.
“There’s enough depravity to go around.”
Kinda sums it up.
And of course there’s no legal recourse with class action suits, cuz the suits have had that kinda law erased by SCOTUS. The debts generated by these scams are now owned by reputable organizations, don’tcha know.
Absolutely love the ones with a PO Box, no physical address, not a single employee, and not a valid phone number. But with a bar license. And those extra-special off-shore bank accounts.
The first time I read a RICO case, I thought it could not possibly be real. I honestly wondered how it was possible that so much damage could be done by so few people, and that they could get away with it.
Recently a news coverage of Federal crackdowns on FL medicare/medicaid scams that used others’ SS numbers to buy medical equipment that was totally unneeded and often nonexistent. In their case, too the perpetrators moved on, changed their names and began again, the same operation.
I remember the first history class at Luther where my advisor asked how many of their history teachers were Head Coaches. The whole 175 students raised their hand.
Then the professor asked how many students liked history? Maybe 30 hands.
I tried to make an impact in the classroom with each student on a daily basis.(After all they were paying me to teach and NOT to coach.)I taught critical thinking and developed a relationship with all of my 100+ students. The ultimate respect a teacher can give to a student is to care.(An impossible but worthy goal.)
Sorry to rant. But Our education system is going all to hell because of “Every Child Left Behind” and “Race to the Bottom.
Thanks Obama and Arnie Duncan, and all those privatizing assholes.( I am looking at you Bill Gates)
Perfect summary. You are right about the class action suits. They go nowhere in the courts, but they suck the life out of people.
I keep wondering who will be the next group of victims for the scammers. Let’s see. We’ve screwed the mentally ill, the elderly, the veterans, the disabled, the poor, the working poor, the unemployed, the hungry homeless children, the students…who’s next?
Disgusting. Satan gonna have to put up a ‘No Vacancy’ sign in Hell, the place’ll be so overcrowded.
I was the one who mentioned Devry in the 1980s. Sterling reputation in technical training and only a few locations. Then the Con Artists came in.
*clapping*
That is, in my mind, the definition of being an educator.
It’s amazing how low people can actually go, isn’t it? Even in prison, I never heard of crap like this.
Thank you.
I was fortunate to receive an education and as an educator it is my duty to pass it on. :)
Thank you. Been laid off three times and sometimes doubt if I ever made a difference.
My Great Aunt taught English to Italian Immigrants In Iowa in the 1900′s after receiving a degree from Columbia. (Its in the genes)
I just found out that I am off parole, and I can have my voting rights restored. Apparently, I reached my maximum on the 18th.
Yay! That is good news, indeed.
Do you have to file a petition to the court, or some form with election supervisors, or something?
Ah, thanks. Shocking. I hadn’t heard of it back in the 80′s, until I worked with this secretary who was from Chicago, and held DeVry in very high esteem. Don’t know if the son got in or not.
and your 172 – made me laugh! I had no idea having coaches teach history was so common!
My family moved from one state to another during my junior year. I was shocked to find that US history at my new school was taught by the Athletic Director. He was not very smart or well-educated, and for the first time evere, I turned into a smart-alect disruptive student in his class. I was always answering his questions with smart-aleck comments that showed up his ignorance of the subject. Or asking him similar questions with the same purpose.
I just couldn’t believe he was teaching such an important subject.
At my first school – in Indianapolis! – coaches taught phys ed and nothing else.
History teachers had degrees in history and knew their subject backwards and forwards.
So is this custom that somehow took over the real reason so many people hated history class and are so ignorant about history?
Here I thought it was a unique flaw of my new (much smaller) high school. Thanks for the (rueful) laugh.
Ha…I’m actually in a webinar on estate tax planning…mainly on the changes in the new law that makes the first (ha) $5million exempt from estate tax.
This is a slight problem for me, since I’m not really up on what estate tax has been like for the last ten years. Some is definitely going over my head.
Lucky there are downloadable “materials.” I’m taking this because I’ve already been asked by a friend to do her will, and I know that will occur again, so I need to catch up.
(anybody with real money needs an expert, and I would refer such a person)
Oh, and re this webinar – first thing the presenters said is, Congress thought they were making estate planning simpler, but in fact, it’s now more complicated. They just referred to planning in light of the new law as a “three-ring circu”
And may mess up plans already made according to the past law…have you ever heard of an “irrevocable trust?” Yeah, irrevocable. It sounds like they will not be wise for many people with the new exemptions.
Yay Congress, which just had to keep people with money from paying the “death tax!” and, it seems made it worse even for them!
But the good news – most people won’t need expensive estate planning. Which is bad news for estate planners, of course.
I was going to ask about that, after you mentioned it last week. Happy it’s finally over. Or is it? You’re going to (or are already) file a lawsuit, aren’t you?
I am not sure, but I do have to file papers myself. Restoring the vote is not automatic.
CONGRATULATIONS, CS!!!!!
Parole is over, and as for the legal case, I am still gathering information. The case file is disturbing. I will not do anything without careful consideration, because I truly believe that these people are capable of great harm. For example, I just found out, last week, what their offer would have been, had I taken a deal. You wanna hear it? Ten years. Their ‘offer’ was actually two years more than what I got. I basically had no choice but to go to trial. I believe they are fully capable of filing charges for some type of violent crime, or anything else they can think up, so I read pages, allow the shock to settle, write, and make decisions. At some point, I will blog the legal case as a series.
Thank you, reader. It is good to be off paper, and return to voting.
Wow. :-((
Great idea to blog the legal case, CS. And to take your time to absorb everything. That’s absolutely necessary: something I am doing more myself. There’s no comparison to your situation of course, but I am deciding that no, I cannot deal with everything all the time, and, I plan to stop beating myself up about it.
New rules.
So happy for you to have some resolution ~ please enjoy.
tejanarusa … (may I call you tejana?) … I would trust you with anything, most of all being sharp and smart, as you apparently were even as a teenager! Hard to imagine you being a troublemaker but I am beginning to think this is perhaps something we all need at least a taste of!!!! Carry on!
Just for a teaser, I have the ‘chain of evidence’ for the so-called ‘drug item’ that the cop claimed I placed under the seat but then moved to plain view, in his car. The ‘item’ changed identity and physical description at least three times, lost 86 percent of its weight, took a couple of undocumented, unaccounted for trips, and remained in the cop’s personal possession without any weight or accountability whatsoever, for ten days prior to the trial, and then overnight after the first day of trial. My own public lawyer filed a motion after trial and conviction and after I was in jail, insisting that the court base its suppression hearing findings on trial testimony, which differed factually and materially from the suppression hearing. Absolutely surreal. It will make for interesting reading.
Absolutely, especially with that kind of exposition! I can see a wide readership for this, CS.
AppleCanyon2, I really appreciate you as well. I am thinking of doing another education-related piece next week, about a school district in Oregon. The district has many immigrants, 55 languages, something like that, and the repubs want to cut the funding, it is one of the poorer districts. Anyway, I like to see feedback from folks who have teaching and related experience, so I appreciate your read and contribution.
Photos or it didn’t happen, right? LOL, I got me an extra memory chip for my camera already!
Woohoo!
Cool! I did notice the discussion heat up a bit. Kris took on a difficult subject and handled it well.
That’s right. Color me EX-convict!
Ohhh, sounds like a plan! Talk about reality. And more on teaching and education sounds great too.
EX being the operative bit. I can’t wait to read your series…
You are too kind.
And, no, I was not a troublemaker…worst offense was talking (or giggling and not being able to stop) in 4th or 5th grade. Got sent to stand in the hall outside the door awhile as punishment.
But that teacher just infuriated me…his class was such a waste of time that it offended me. This was a high school in a very affluent district that sent most of its graduates to college or tech school, and prided itself in its high academic standards. I was just flabbergasted. Compared to all my other teachers…his was soooo far beneath them. The only way I could stand to get through his class was to argue and subtly (or maybe not) make fun of him.
Kids are so cruel. ; )
Crane-Station, I finally had a chance to watch the video.
Hilarious, in a sad, pathetic, infuriating way.
Especially the last line: “I have already spent your tuition money as we were speaking.”
Gotta run again. Good stuff today and all week.
I can’t wait to read it!! Hooray for you!
“What Wall Street investment bank were you fired from?”
Yeah.
If you come back, and wish to laugh your ass off, check the link that says ‘An Extra-curricular exercise, that cost $130,000.’
It’s the kind of satire that makes you say, “God, that’s so awful, and offensive. But true.”
It’s mostly written, I just need to sort some things out. At this point, I am not sure when I will make this thing public.
X2 at a minimum. Take a load off (Annie).
You guys are so sweet. Thanks, it means a lot.
There But For Fortune. Lest we forget.
Thanks again for your contributions here and elsewhere.
Phil Ochs! And one of my favorite songs, lyrics and tune.
What a day. Interesting events in my work life, plus the Supreme Court oral argument on Voting Rights Act…tempted to do a diary, but have so much stuff to do!
Trying to slog through the transcript of the arguments, and figure out once and for all how to make my copier/fax/scanner actually fax, and then make it do that.
Sigh. No rest for the wicked, eh?
Just a firepup then but so influential the music. Big Hugz.
Cat’s out of the bag now. I would like to see a diary with a legal take on the Voting Rights Act, or on another topic you were thinking of!
Also, nonquixote @ 206, thank you so much. There but for for fortune may go you or I.
*tears*
209 at part 2 is for you. Listened on a separate tab, and love this song, his voice, and the lyrics.
Charlie Pierce has about three posts today on the SCOTUS hearing. Doesn’t sound good. Here’s the first, just before the hearing, and you can get to the others from there.
This Morning in the Court
Oops, page not found. I am assuming bad news about voting rights? Someone at FDL needs to post about this.
Not entirely bad news, not yet, but the questions by certain justices indicate they are seriously ready to overturn section 5 of the VRA, which is the section that requires pre-clearance of changes in voting practices in the states covered by the Act (9 southern states and parts of some others in the north).
Scalia made some outrageous statements. Check out Scotusblog.com, the New York times report, etc.
Damn, I checked that to make sure WordPress had left it alone, but it didn’t.
Here:
This morning in the court
I certainly should have put ‘troublemaker’ in quotes!
I would love to see your legal take on any subject you chose, as well. Carry on!