As progressives on and offline continue to debate the future of the health care reform bill, attention is finally shifting to the underlying factors that have gotten us into this mess in the first place: namely, the mistakes of the White House. Meteor Blades at Daily Kos asks the right question – why is it that progressives are getting blamed for this? Others reply that Obama does the best he can, and that to avoid a collapse in the 2010 elections, Democrats and progressives need to "point out all the good" that Obama has done so far.
But that isn’t enough. The fact is that Democratic electeds, the president first and foremost, have completely misunderstood American politics in 2009. I’m not talking just about the failed and senseless efforts at bipartisanship, though Obama’s underestimation of the level of control Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and the teabaggers have over the Republican Party hasn’t helped.
Instead I’m talking about the inability of the White House to understand the changing nature of the American left. The late 20th century experience of a marginalized and weak left has been replaced during the 2000s by a much more powerful and popular movement. The White House’s unwillingness to treat that movement as an equal partner is damaging not only the health care bill, but the political fate of Democrats in 2010 and, potentially, 2012.
The collapse of support for the bill reveals a deeper and growing divide, an unwillingness of most Americans to embrace a flawed process. In particular, progressives – activists and voters – need a clear, signal victory in order to avoid complete 1994-style demoralization. Something big and bold, something clearly progressive that forced moderates and conservatives to concede something important, something that will give more people a reason to rally to Obama’s defense when he is in a difficult place.
Comprehensive immigration reform along the lines of the Grijalva proposal would achieve this. Repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell would achieve this (and repeal of DOMA would be a grand slam). Firing Geithner and Summers would achieve this. Breaking up some of the big banks would achieve this. And yes, a public option of some kind would have achieved this.
Instead we have a White House and a Senate Democratic leadership that still believes we live in the 1990s, where the "left" is weak and has little popular support. They’ve not understood the transformative effect of the 2000s and Bush in particular, who helped create a genuine American left with real and widespread popular support for the first time in 40 years.
The White House does not view progressives as equal partners, as people who have legitimate concerns and priorities that need to be included in any deal. They still take the Clintonian view that the "left" can be appeased either through a few nice words in a speech, and if that fails, can be crammed down by being told they’re wreckers, being told this is the best progressives can get, being told that progressives are irrelevant (even while the WH’s defensive actions show they’re anything but irrelevant).
The White House hasn’t yet grasped that some basic and timeless rules of politics still apply: that you have to deliver something to your supporters to keep them on board. Something that excites them, something that gets them motivated. Ever since 1993 Democratic presidential Administrations have assumed those rules are in abeyance, where supporters will stay on board out of fear of Republicans, unwilling to act on their beliefs or frustrations out of an internalized belief that America is a conservative place hostile to progressive values.
The Bush years destroyed those internalized frustrations. Congressional Democratic support for the Iraq War destroyed what existed of progressive acceptance of that Clintonite strategy, and freed the left to actually feel confident in asserting its own values regardless of what the Democratic leadership says, because any trust in that leadership was destroyed in 2002. Obama understood this out of necessity during the primary, when he had to embrace this to defeat Hillary Clinton. But once that was achieved, he went right back to the old Bill Clinton strategy of appeasing the center-right and assuming progressives would simply go along with it – and once elected, Obama surrounded himself with old Clinton hands who espoused the same basic view of politics.
There were a number of instances in 2009 that showed Obama doesn’t quite grasp political realities, and the snowballing collapse of health care reform is just one element of that misunderstanding.
Until he sees progressives as genuine partners, Obama will face declining political fortunes. That’s his problem, something he and his team should and eventually will address. For our part, progressives should concern ourselves with how to further build up our own institutions and power, instead of wasting time trying to prop up a weak president who views us and our views and our work with contempt.
Robert Cruickshank is the Public Policy Director at the Courage Campaign, a 700,000 member organizing network based in California that pushes for progressive change. He is also an editor at Calitics, a blog focusing on California politics.



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Thanks Robert, and I agree. The bipartisanship charade points most directly to the heart of this, in my opinion. How you can claim to have a good -faith partner in Republicans today is beyond me. Bush got this – he beat Democrats into submission. We must do the same if we want to get their votes, and that means going it alone until they come along.
So, how do I counter my friend’s assertion that we’re all being unrealistic in demanding that the President “fix everything in the first year…”?
In her universe, he just hasn’t had time, and it’s just too hard for him to stand up against the Powers That Be, and “That’s Reality.”
Love her dearly, but she’s got her head up her A$$ on this, IMO.
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I agree that your friend has her head up her a– too–because she does not know the difference between excuses and reasons. She is making excuses for the WH—the reason that we did not get more than we did was because of WH waffling, timidity, and the general desire to placate all parties through “compromise” rather than risk taking a courageous stand.
The real political reality is that you get what you pay for. If your friend can’t relate to that, tell her to imagine Martin Luther King saying “screw this equality stuff, it’s too hard” the first time he received a death threat or was pelted with bricks.
I have a friend who makes the same comments, and it has placed quite a strain on us.
The last few years were very hard for her family and mine both with health problems, and this health care bill is–I should say was–like a godsend for us.
And it’s evaporating, it’s a mirage, he never intended it to be any good in the first place I guess, and I’m furious.
She’s angry that people aren’t more supportive of him, like that’s gonna do any good. And people are so mean to him…he has so much on his plate…all the excuses in the world don’t matter to me, give me HEALTH CARE.
What gets me about these who bleat “who can expect him to turn around everything Bush left immediately” is that every criticism I’ve ever read about Obama [or posted myself] never says “too slow” or “not soon enough.”
What we’re blasting Obama for is that he doesn’t try to solve the problems.
Would your friend call appointing Geithner, Bernanke, et al. “trying” to solve the financial crisis?
How about the “surge” in Afghanistan? Would that be “trying,” either to reduce the deficit or to get a solution there?
And then there’s the failure to prosecute Bush crimes and to end Bush abuses. The excuse most frequently offered there was that “it wouldn’t work.” Well, that’s not “trying” either.
I could go on and on — and others do.
The point is that Obama hasn’t fought FOR anything [except for his corporate pals]. He’s been so afraid his “report card” might have a blemish on it, that he hasn’t done anything.
If he were out there fighting — and even losing occasionally — I could cut him a lot more slack. But so long as his only “fight” is to preserve the deals he made with PhARMA and the drug companies, he’ll get no support from me.
Thanks for this, Robert. I’ve been playing with a related idea lately – that progressives are too nice, too reasonable, and therefore don’t get taken seriously. We’re rational, don’t deny climate change and evolution, dwell in the fact-based universe, don’t alternately call Obama a fascist and a communist (because we KNOW the damn difference between them), and generally, are just better behaved than the tea-bagger right.
So, we get counted on to be reasonable, go along, and meekly accept the small slices we’re offered. But I think 8 years of GeeDubya Bush did change the dynamic, and Obama ignores us at his peril.
Will he wake up in time and hear us? Or is he too busy listening to Rahm, Tim, and Larry? I’m not holding my breath.
Well,
You elect Obama and want Lincoln.
Why do you do that?
The simple explanation is you believe what you have been educated to believe.
What do you believe as a voter? What you have been educated to believe.
Hey, have a nice Hannukka or Christmas.
You are a good person.
But are you aiming for the right thing.
“Until he sees progressives as genuine partners, Obama will face declining political fortunes. That’s his problem, something he and his team should and eventually will address. For our part, progressives should concern ourselves with how to further build up our own institutions and power, instead of wasting time trying to prop up a weak president who views us and our views and our work with contempt.”
I agree wholeheartedly with this other than I feel that his staff has contempt for progressives. Progressives do need to step up the formation and power. No doubt about that.
Right now, I want to fight the HCR mandate. It should be killed. Otherwise, the courts are going to be full of decent American citizens fighting this. Most of us are currently unemployed or under employed. Why force us to buy something that does not do what it should?
I meant to add there is no option or choice left in this bill. It’s all more of the same with a guarantee to big insurance that all Americans are now forced to buy their crap plans!
A good post as far a it goes. But you still cling to the idea that O “misjudged” or received bad advice.
Baloney. He did’nt misjudge anything. This Health care bill is exactly where he wanted it to be from the beginning. he obviously had no interest in the PO. His backdoor deals with Big Pharma are damn near impeachable as far as I am concerned.
He is a corporate stooge. He will never be your “partner.”
Yes, I agree. I don’t think he misjudged, I think he doesn’t care. Everything that has been done has been to keep to backroom corporate deals while much of what the House has done has just been for show and anything that has happened in the Senate that would rock the boat has been covertly shot down. I think the backroom PhRMA deal particularly in combination with the Dorgan killing with the FDA is potentially criminal – Obama could probably be impeached for it, but he probably doesn’t have his fingerprints on using the FDA to kill the Dorgan amendment so instead it would be a Scooter Libby who would take the fall.
Is the criminality in the apparent quid pro quo? Need more information.
Killed the Dorgan bill! (TARP)TIME FOR ANOTHER REVOLUTION!
Actually, saying he just doesn’t care understates how bad it is. He is actively hostile to progressives.
Do you think Dorgan might be willing to kill the Senate bill? He bucked his party on getting rid of Glass-Steigal and he has spoken out about the WH being behind killing the drug reimportation amendment, even about it being by potentially illegal (who knows what is actually illegal in this country any more!) way. If I were him, I’d have no problem scuttling it and announcing he did it to save taxpayers 100 billion dollars.
Goes to the heart of the reality.
$20fucking million from HC to Obama in 3+years, $9million+ to the next two on the list who were ALSO Presidential candidates . . . coupled with Masaccio’s posit Here tells the tale.
Fixed from the get go . . . long ago. A bailout bought and paid for enabled by our elected officials.
Just like TARP, just like FISA, etc. . . .
At last — have been trying to get Robert C. to blog here for a while.
Victory! And well worth the wait.
FDL has become one of the most prominent and progressive blogs on the web.
I would think any progressive worth his salt would want to blog here
Why? I think this guy is a 180 degrees wrong. Obama hasn’t misjudged anything. He’s doing exactly what he wants and he’s getting away with it. Could he, or someone else, point to an essay where he showed otherwise? He sure didn’t do it here.
He’s certainly writing something that plays well here – that we have all this power. The fact of the matter is that whatever power we have hasn’t been enough. We either need more or we need to be smarter, I don’t know which.
Anyway, I’m not much into feelgood essays right now. We’re getting our asses handed to us, particularly if we’re not financially comfortable. There are plenty of people out there who are willing to write stuff we like reading about ourselves. I’d rather read what’s true.
i wish progressive dem party activists would consider taking some of their own advice to president obama re their relationship with progressive issue based activists. the healthcare issue is a perfect example. it wasn’t just the pre-compromise (summer of 2008 or earlier), it was a pre-compromise that among the many possible compromises went along with the dem party elite position of a fundamentally neoliberal (not progressive) policy without consulting or including representatives of the thousands of long time progressive issue grass roots activists (including union activists at the california based CNA) in that decision. and when those activists didn’t fall in line with a decision they had no part in and didn’t agree with, they were triangulated, marginalized, mocked, misrepresented and generally treated with contempt.
you are still looking for a partner in a neoliberal president. i so wish you were looking for a partner in progressive issue activists who don’t even exist in your narrative.
[references: 1) The Logic of the Health Care Debate, 2) background]
Not to disparage RC’s post or opinions in any way, but Selise your overall summation of our sitch (going back to ’08) is about as succinct and big picture spot on as any I’ve seen.
Wonderful summation, and thanks, it’s a keeper.
If I use it elsewhere, I’ll attribute it.
Obama isn’t going to move in a progressive direction until he realizes that he is on the road to a failed Presidency.
The electoral landscape for 2010 is really ugly, and if he doesn’t do something significant and bold, he’ll be rewarded with a Congress that is even worse than what we have now.
Truth.
Excellent post. Thank you.
Some of this is what Kuttner on Moyers was talking about last night: an empowered social movement. Maybe there will be a force for “make me do it”, after all.
It wasn’t on the web last night by the time I went ni-nite. I was getting ready to watch it. First bug I ran into in my code was simple fix, comment out until I figure out why the function call doesn’t work and I don’t have a problem typing in the date instead of the machine supplying it for me. *g* Got a couple speeches I wanna watch, too.
The consequences of 30+ years of shitty governance are beginning to affect wide swathes of the world’s population. It’s no surprise that many of the groups now are taking some of their cues from the New Left in Europe.
Kuttner is urging the progressives with the get’ye behind Obama bull.
still trying to sell the “if only someone could get president obama’s back ” meme and the blame it on joe lieberman and the republicans meme. some people Do still belive this, some will probably always refuse to see obama as anything but a tragic victim of the times.
Isn’t his political “reality” the DLC sell outs & political incompetents who gained ascendency in the mid 80′s, after the DFH’s had ruined Hubert & given us that silly unpragmatic pacificst McGovern & wrecked … rome? brittania ?
I had figured him for a clintonian sell out type, but, ya never know. I figured hillary had a 97% chance of continuing hte sell out policies of the guy she’s slept with for 30 or 40 years – I figured obama had a less than 97% chance, and I HOPED it was a 2% chance …
and then came geithner and rahm, and now we f’king bernake BACK after his crew fo thieves stole more than anyone has ever dreamed of stealing (well, excpet for them, obviously!) and we’re gonna win the hearts and minds in banastan (yawn) and we’re gonna shovel money at the AHIP thieving scum who’ve helped create this health care by the AHIP, for the AHIP, and of the AHIP…
he does grasp his realities, hopefully this is the end of the sell out realities of the rahm-ites and the politically incompetent murray-cantwell types…???????????????
I HOPE?
rmm.
I think this is an excellent post that speaks to one of the divisions I see here at the Lake.
I can’t speak for everyone, but I know I supported Obama, not because I thought he was anything other than a “centrist,” but because I thought he was smarter than he seems to be. That’s where I misjudged.
I figured he would realize that if he campaigned to the left and was supported by the left, he would recognize the political pressure from the left could not be ignored.
I didn’t expect to get everything we wanted, but I DID expect to get at least something. That’s where I was wrong. And I think it’s a HUGE mistake for Obama, no matter what it is he really wants his mistake is going to cost him dearly.
I’m not sure even throwing the left a REALLY big bone at this point is going to salvage 2010, but that’s his only hope at this point. And it’s going to be a lot harder to throw us any bones after 2010 in preparation for Obama’s re-election bid in 2012 if he’s stuck with a Republican congress.
Whatever Obama’s personal ideology is (and I think that’s becoming evident) if he’s even the least bit pragmatic, he needs to figure out which way the wind blows.
My problem now with Ben “High Fructose Corn Syrup” Nelson (D-ADM) signaling his support is that there will TREMENDOUS pressure on the House (the PEOPLE’S House) progressives to roll over for that bad toupee-wearing fuck Nelson as well as the other malodorous traitors, “Plantation Blanche Lincoln”, Mary “I’m as dumb as dogshit and a liar” Landrieu, and the rightwing Likud from CT as well as already rolled over supposed liberals in the Senate like John Kerry and others.
What this whole process has effectively done, IMO, is neutered a co-equal chamber of the national legislature and makes the Senate, eerily like in Star Wars, THE power base of the entire goddam country. You may as well take Pelosi’s gavel away and eliminate the House. When, truthfully, like Thomas Jefferson famously thought, it should be the undemocratic SENATE that is eliminated once and for all.
Of course, the ULTIMATE effect of the odious bill passing is that is shows all of Washington, the Administration, the Senate, media, everyone, that progressives DO NOT MATTER!!! Well, we’re gonna matter in 2010 and 2012 when I (and i hope many more people do this) don’t give them a single dime and do ZERO ground support for the Democrats, especially the senators. Lincoln and Reid will be both gone one way or another anyway.
I’m tired of the meme, “What did you expect, he has only been in office a few months?”. Obama was never going to be in a better position than the one he has had this past year. He had enormous political capital as well as Congressional majorities. The most benign interpretation is he naively squandered it, a more cynical view, this is how he wanted it to go. He is counting on winning a second term by peeling off the old white shoe Republicans from the GOP; he’ll keep enough progressives who’ll pinch on the clothespin and vote for him, et voila!
I don’t believe this centrist approach will work. He is not going to peel off anyone from the GOP. They hate him more than ever and he’s now made it clear he doesn’t give a damn what we think either. I did realize when I voted for him that he was a centrist, but I thought he would be both smarter and tougher than he is. So far, he’s tried so hard to be middle-of-the-road that all he’s managed to do is piss off both sides. Not a winning formula and I predict he will be a one term president. I have no plans to vote for him in the future. I’m done.
I understand how you feel. There remain reasons I will vote for him, although with my nose clothespin firmly affixed, one of them future Supreme Ct nominations and the other, executive appointments. But where I once saw the possibility for positive change, I now hold only onto the barest hope it won’t get worse.
Isn’t that kind of delusional thinking? Do you really think this guy is going to load of the SCT with anti-corporatists? Pro-choice doesn’t matter any more because they’re just going to do end runs around the Constitutional issues. It’s just more of the “lesser of evils” thinking that they use to keep us trapped as much as they trap the right in the same corrupt two party system. We need to at least threaten a primary or third party action or we’ll continue to be beaten regularly while we say, “Well, at least he has a steady job and supports me” or “He is really sweet to me when he isn’t drunk.” We need to draw some lines. As soon as you say years in advance that you will vote for him regardless, you have lost. He will never listen to you and he’ll never stop beating you up.
Robert, you have me up until “comprehensive immigration reform”. If you think the insurance industry and Big Pharma hacked up health care reform with mastery, wait until you see what Big Bidness and the Chamber of Commerce do to immigration “reform”. By the time they’re done with it, it will be nothing but a giant funnel to bring in indentured servants they can treat like dirt and pay next to nothing. And the American people, including a lot of liberals, will be furious. Especially in a time of high unemployment.
I think comprehensive anything, at this point, is a bad idea. Too much potential for a similar fiasco. I think Congress ought to act on immigration – the DREAM Act would be a great start – if done right, you could organize around the issue, build coalitions (popular ones, not elite ones) and begin to build a narrative about immigration that says that immigrants are people (with rights) and that the true problem is exploitation.
The WH seems to approach policy issues as if the only thing that matters is the Senate – but they will pay the price for failing to think is broader terms.
Shorter analysis: Obama has no idea who elected him.
He knows exactly what elected him: corp campaign contributions.
$20 fucking million of them, in only 3 years or so in The Senate!
I wonder, had we had this info in front of us pre election? Would we have changed our votes?
But then, we gotta ask, to what and whom and why?
The alternatives were scarce and worse, even in the final primary’s . . . ;-)
For any informed person, especially anyone tuned in enough to comment on FDL, to still beleive that Obama is a progressive, really makes me fear for my country. Months ago, I said he wants to mandate all of us into the insurance and the pre-existing condition thing had to be in the deal or how were they going to force us into the insurance cartels. Even though I had hopes that the progressives could stand up to it and stop it, they have surely been dashed with people still thinking that poor obama was had by joe Lieberman. We had congress people reporting months ago this was the deal from the insurance companies. they would give pre-existing condition, if our goverment mandated 45 million of us to buy. So not only do we buy, but we pay taxes for the congress, the senate, and all of their families and all other elected officials, state, local, federal, plus the poor. Not for health care, but bonus’ for the insurance gansters and our so called progressives in the senate are willing to deliver us to them.
I am calling all my democratic congress members and senators and telling them I will not be voting Democratic in 2010 and that until they move this country left,
they can take me off their lists.
I think O has the progressives where he wants them: marginalized in the political process. How else can he continue to collect those delicious corp campaign contributions. It remains to be seen whether demoralized progressives will have any influence in the 2010 and 2012 elections. We all think it will be a disaster for Ds, but that’s a forecast about which reasonable people can disagree.
It is not that they do not understand, it is that the American people’s wishes or concerns are not their highest priority. Lots of these bastards in congress that are voting for the health insurance companies are backstopped by the health insurance companies, or lobbyists or some other corporate interests in the form of a millions dollar a year job awaiting them if they get voted out. They realize that people are getting upset and they see the polls, but their primary concern is themselves and their interests … and as a consequence, corporate interests … and they can care less of being voted out. They take a look at billy bling tauzin, trent has a lott, and tommy big dollars daschle and they certainly see upside to screwing over the american people.
And the rahmbama team can give a fuck about losing seats in the senate or the house, this democratic majority creates more complications for them in directing the kabuki theatre that produces a corporate serving bill … they have to bring out the blue dogs and lieberman and all the rest of the scumbags that give them cover … while they posture that they are a victim to circumstances.
If your premise is that the dlc’s dynamic duo of deceit … obama and chi-town pal emanuel … care about winning any elections but the 2012 presidential election, your premise is seriously flawed. This is the clintonian model: fuck your base and your party … which is essentially just the democratic wing of THE PARTY since both parties largely serve the same corporate masters … and serve big corporate donors’ interests to fund your war chest for 2012. That’s what clinton did and it worked … for him.
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I agree with your assessment of the political aspirations of O & Rahm. Reelection in 2012. That’s it. They don’t care a bit about congress.
This is a great post Robert. Thanks for promoting it Jason.
I think the most important piece of writing by Cruickshank comes at the end. The added bonus to focusing on building progressive infrastructure and power is that doing so makes it harder for the progressive base to be rolled by the party establishment in the future. We will be better suited to affect our goals and make sure that elected officials do not turn their backs on the base after our donations, volunteerism, and writing help carry them into office. And, eventually, this infrastructure building, along with internal leadership cultivation, will bring us to a point where the progressive online movement can regularly and successfully field our own candidates for often and stop projecting our values onto people who do not share them.
About 20 years ago I read an article in the San Diego Union. The columnest
argued how great the two party system was. I can’t remember his points,
but I bo remember just shaking my head thinking how broken the system was
then. The system was pay to play then as now.
I’ve no choice now but to vote third party. It’s going to hurt indirectly
electing rethugs. The truth hurts, but some times it’s got to get worse
before it gets better. Think alcoholic or drug adict…got to find the bottom. Change occurs when the pain of staying the same hurts more than changing.
One thing about a Harvard man. They can’t be told anything because they already know everything.
“Until he sees progressives as genuine partners, Obama will face declining political fortunes. That’s his problem, something he and his team should and eventually will address. For our part, progressives should concern ourselves with how to further build up our own institutions and power, instead of wasting time trying to prop up a weak president who views us and our views and our work with contempt.”
……………
Very well said, Mr. Cruickshank.
Yes. Well said.
Thank you for explaining my vague anxiety in October, my full-blown panic in November and my shortness of breath and wheezing over the past few weeks.
I’m feeling a little better now! I am not going insane. It isn’t me – it’s the freaking White House! Firing Rahm Emanuel would be a good start. But remember what Russ Feingold said on Tuesday: “This bill appears to be legislation that the president wanted in the first place.”
Thougt bubble…
So son you want to work in Washinton, well we’ll just have to send you to harvard.
Well, we won’t get fooled again…..
Change it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fall that’s all
But the world looks just the same
And history ain’t changed
‘Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war
-G
Progressives will never be treated as equal partners as long as we have no place to go. We will always be treated as we are right now — not even given the slightest crumbs, because we have no place else to go. As long as we continue to put our faith in the Democratic Party, we will never have a place to go.
I’ve long advocated for a progressive third party, started not from the grass roots but from elected officials defecting. It would caucus with the Democrats and would not field general election candidates against reasonably Democratic Democrats — but its voting bloc in legislatures, and the credible threat of running general election candidates to the left of the Dems, would potentially give progressives actual power.
Maybe this is a terrible, unworkable idea. But the alternative sure hasn’t worked, and isn’t going to any time soon.
I”m not all that hip to big pic planning theory but I sure like your suggestion on face value alone.
Great thought and thanks for sharing . . .
I’ve been blogging about this. The old argument that we have to take what we can get is bullshit to me now. They pushed me too far, and something snapped. I don’t care if another Republican administration comes between now and the populist revolution we need. I will not be bullied any more by taunts of “you’re throwing your vote away!”
They have jumped the shark. I’m 64 years old and I ain’t “coming back” if the Democrats pass anything like these bills.
We need a Tom Tomorrow cartoon showing tax payers giving money to the gummint who give it to the uninsured who give it to the insurance companies with the explanation only Tom can invent.
Lets cut out the middle men just hand the money directly to the insurance companies.
Thats what we did with for the banksters and that is working out swell.
With shitty insurance coverage and lack of lending by banksters we get the same benefits…nada
Great post, Robert!
I hope you continue to write and post here. Somehow you manage to walk the line between cold Reality and optimism. No mean feat!
As I considered the failure of Obama, my first thought was what happened to candidate Obama. Where did he go? This was my most charitable thought, because the next thought was that Obama the man never believed in the policies nor the rhetoric of the candidate.
I have not reach a final conclusion. I am still wondering. Is he naive or contrived?
As for Congress, they seem to break most if not all of their campaign promises to the middle class. Once they have our votes, we are tossed aside until another season while they spend their legislative time working for the UBERs.
Contrived. Paraphrasing Frank Rich. We’ve been punked.
That was the brochure …
Well said, Robert,
I agree with your assessment and am having trouble understanding how they could be relatively in tune during the campaign. The judgement now seems like they just watch campaign speech video and laaaaughh at the things they said they’d do.
Obama knows exactly who elected him, and doesn’t care. You say what you need to in order to get elected. Then you dance with the money that got you the office. Name one thing he’s done that isn’t a half-assed sop. Everything from Guantanamo to healthcare reform has been a sham. Secret prisons? They still exist. Don’t ask don’t tell, it’s too soon. Fighting for the healthcare plan he outlined during the campaign? A backroom deal with PHARMA. I wonder, was no reimportation part of the deal? Gee.
He will be a one term president and set back progressive politics a generation. I can’t see him turning this around. I don’t think he has the spine. He can’t even dump the dogs like Larry S. and Rahm. Two of the most cynical and destructive bastards ever to obtain White House power.
when someone gets elected on an anti status quo platform, and then proceeds to further enshrine the status quo, he’s a sell out and will get ever more less support as more and more people awaken to the reality.
The new axis is ‘haves and hads’, haves and the rest, upstairs downstairs!
Chomsky has been saying forever that on issues, when polled; the American public is far left of center!
Well, their excesses and unrepentant greed have finally ripped the scales off of the publics eyes. The popular resentment is growing into exactly the sort of force they both fear and expect. Their actions now have to be viewed through the prism of a cornered adversary.
Every two years or so, we progressives go to the polls and face a choice between voting for a party of insane homophobic warmongers who want to take our money and give it to corporations, rich people, bombs, and jails, or voting for the Republicans. So we hold our noses and vote for war. jails, discrimination, unaffordable health care, planetary destruction, and massive wealth transfers to the rich, and we think we’ve done just great because at least we didn’t vote for Republicans.
Very good article. I unsubscribed yesterday from Sen. Dodd’s email list and from Obama’s email list. Today, I unsubscribed from Sen. Patty Murray’s email Newsletter list. Calling them does not seem to have any effect and frankly, Murray and Cantwell voting against the Dorgan Amendment was my last straw.
You said:
The problem is that we have to step back and let Dems loose for Progressives to be treated with respect and until we are willing to “walk” from a bad Democrat publicly we don’t matter – we will be a doormat.
I continue to believe that if the power structure of the Democratic Party ever gets it through their collective heads that “we” will walk, i.e. that we will let a Democratic Candidate loose because the candidate is so disgusting by either not voting for them or voting for somebody else the whole game changes. For sure they will scream like a stuck pig at first but eventually they will realize that they have to pay our attitudes some respect.
The root cause here is that they, i.e. the Dem elites, believe that in the end we will always vote for the lesser of two evils so they can do whatever they want because “we” will come home. Personally I don’t believe that this is true – I believe that the Democratic Party has been bleeding Progressives for years. Folks are simply getting sick of the games the Party plays and are being turned off from voting. Since we have no viable alternative to vote for they don’t go anywhere they just don’t vote (forget the Greens, from what I have seen in New Mexico they simply do not want to win elections – they just enjoy meeting and bitching). So, they become non-voters by the hundreds or thousands per cycle and only come back onto the scene when a candidate shows up that captures their interest. To me that’s part of what happened in the last election and sadly Obama is turning them back off as we speak. Since the
Dem power structure can’t see a movement of voters from one Party to the other they don’t see a connection between showing their backs to Progressives and loosing elections so the move to the right where they think the dollars are.
A modest proposal:
I’m for holding Progressive election parties where lots of people get together with absentee ballots and either don’t vote for a bad Dem or vote for a liberal alternative. I think copies of that part of the ballot should be made and those copies plus a tally of votes the Dem didn’t get should be sent to the local State and Federal Democratic Party for all to see. At first they will think its weird but after the first member of the US House or Senate looses by the margin of votes less than those on the tally they will get the message. I figure it won’t take but 1 or 2 objective lessons like this and attitudes will change. But I am also way out of the norm here and know that getting together the necessary number of progressives that are disgusted enough with the whole scene to do this publicly ain’t possible today. Its too far ahead of the masses to expect it to work. This is why I think an alternative call Full Court Press is important – its a place to start.
As Upton Sinclair famously remarked, “It’s hard for a person to understand something when his(her) paycheck depends on them not understanding it.”
Obama is dependent on the neo-liberal apparatchiks around him for his “judgment.” They are bought and paid for, as they are playing for the other team. The corporate crony team. They naturally view progressives and liberals as “enemies,” since our priorities are the opposite of theirs. But like generals who are always fighting the last war, they are Clintonians who think they can just lie their way out of this pickle. They seem to forget this nation is beset with too many crises that have focused too many people’s minds on actual results…to care about silly platitudes based on nothing but words coursing across a teleprompter.
Thus, they will continue down this road until it’s too late. It’s all they know.
its way past too late.
Jane, T. Hartman, E.Schulz, maybe K.Olberman, maybe R.Maddow, need to start a dialog with the Libertarians and develop a common platform. Fuck the differences, the stuff they use to keep us at one another’s throats – where is it that we agree and is that enough for us all to form a common front against our suppressors?!
That is exactly what Thom Hartmann has been saying lately. I agree.
In the past, there’s been cooperation. We should try to do more, I think. It would require some forbearance on both our parts, of course, and some diplomacy. Those seem to be two things the Internet doesn’t have in abundance.
Oh please!
With whom are you going to cooperate? Michelle Bachman? Glenn Beck? Mitch McConnell?
Just name some folks on the other side that you think are good candidates for “cooperation.”
They aren’t libertarians, at least not in any meaningful sense. They vote and act like neocons. Please learn what you’re talking about before making condescending cracks. Stupidity and arrogance aren’t an attractive combination.
That, by the way, is what I meant by the things the Internet doesn’t have in abundance.
Of course those people are idiots. But then, Glenn Beck would be a die hard liberal if it got him more money than being a wingnut. It’s not the pundits we go after, it’s the people. My dad has given me every book Glenn Beck has ever written and though he wanted Jindal as VP, was fine with Palin. But he and I have a lot in common now, mostly centered on getting incumbents who are bought by lobbyists out. We have that in common. They are afraid of unions and trial lawyers overpowering their votes and we are afraid of Wall Street and Aetna taking away ours. Instead of letting them divide us by which one we are afraid of, let’s unite in getting all of the lobbyists out of the picture. Labor members have more voters than there are Wall St bankers, anyway. Work together to break the money power structure down at least a little bit and then separate to fill the void with the people we want, which will naturally be different. But if we separate before breaking it up, we’ll never get the chance to have anything different. They have divided and conquered cleverly and we need to stop thinking inside the boxes they have created to perpetuate that if we want to counteract it.
The main issue I see with Libertarian allies is they have trouble with non market based solutions. Unfortunately there are often external costs that markets cannot deal with properly.
I have used the following example many times to make it clear:
If I own a gas station with an underground storage tank how do we deal with leaks into te ground water? The Libertarian solution is to wait until someone draws contaminants up from a well on their property and then use tort law to assess damages. By that time a plume of contaminants exists and clean up is substantially more expensive than if I had detected the leak via a monitoring well.
Second order libertarian solution is that liability insurance would be lower if I install a monitoring well so the market will lead to the same outcome as regulation of underground storage tanks. In fact many will opt not to purchase such insurance absent a mandate and happily pass the clean up costs on in bankruptcy.
This passing of external costs on to the commons is one of the key problems with laissez faire market ideology. I’ve spoken about this with many Libertarians and they all just wave their hands and dismiss it. I ain’t buying their handwaving.
Many of them can be brought around to see value in a well run small government. They do not see the current state of subsidies to big business as Free Market economics and they are right. They are against War – right there is an answer to the next onslaught from the Center-right deficit hawks. Back out of war, reduce the DOD to a defensive institution (cut out 50% of immoral expenses) and we are well on our way towards a saner world.
What is wrong with that?
I totally agree. We can unite in efforts to primary incumbents, for example, them the Republicans and us the Democrats, without having to join forces on policy or behind a single candidate in the general. At this point, we just need to flush out the money and at least make the lobbyists start over in their buy-outs. They can still wave money around to change minds once people get to DC, but when they can cash in chips being set up for years, we’re even more screwed. Plus, a huge number of incumbents having to fight for their lives in primaries might make them at least think about playing along with a populist agenda until they can lull people back into not paying attention.
My dad is far right, Glenn Beck right. He and I have never been able to discuss politics without major arguments (even about birth certificate, for crying out loud!). We have had a lot of good conversations with a lot in common lately. He’s with a defense contractor and even he wants us to get out of our worldwide bases as well as Afghanistan and Iraq and spend that money at home now. I NEVER would have seen that coming! He hates Sanders, but loves his too big to fail is too big to exist bill. The times, the are a-changing. Just look at who was behind the audit the fed amendment.
There you go PaulaT, your anecdote is just the right story to get people out of their state of top down, propaganda driven confusion and paralysis.
The white house’s failure comes from the real divide in America which is class. The shrinking upper middle class and the (recently) balooned but still small upper class are completely alienated from the rest of us. Those people benefitted from globalization. the rest of us didnt. those of us over say 36 year of age are wondering WTF happened to the country we grew up in. Those younger are wondering WTF happened to the country they’ve never seen, but their older relatives remeber so fondly. the political and economic orthodoxy from the 80′s, of the new democrat DLC types in the WH and senate is the great betrayl to the rest of us.
Yes, ‘the changing nature of the left’, that’s cool. But, it could ( I know Im being foolish here ) but opposition to the Senate compromise could have less to do with ideology and more to do with facts. The case in point: 80 / 20 ‘Compromise’: 20 cents of every dollar – that’s 20 cents of every 100 cents – by law (at least by the Senate ‘compromise’) can be retained by private sector insurers to pay their bonuses, lard their bottom line, expand their investments, bribe candidates, make ‘contributions’ to their campaigns, etc. The Senate bill as now written provides that everyone in America pay for private sector health care, in short, wasting 20 cents of every health care dollar, piddling it off to middlers, who deliver no health care whatsoever, require mind numbing paper work, jerk you around with ‘co-pays’ and ‘contributions’, etc, but do not ever in any shape or form deliver health care services to you. This is what the Senate has brought us. And here’s an added insult brought by the White House to everyone who is not a private sector health insurance corporate employee: Because both the right and the left think citizens should not be mandated by their government to provide corporate welfare for private sector health insurance companies with both taxes (paid to corporations as ‘subsidies’ to cover the poor who cannot afford to payoff the corporations) and premiums (20 percent of which are not used to provide health care services), they have persuaded themselves that independents will just love it! That’s a three- bagger: The White House and its pseudo-Democratic allies have insulted the independents, the right and the left. It’s not just ideology; for many many voters, opposition is based on simple and irrefutable fact. And who are the political masterminds, who put the Democrats in this position? Like Bush, they were good at getting elected and, like Bush, very good at ignoring the American people. Unlike Bush, they will not be re-elected. Please, give us a Democrat next time !
This is EXACTLY what has happened. Thank you for writing this. It is amazing that they just did not see this or just ignored it.
Of course, any challenges to Obama, especially during the presidential primaries in 2012, will be blamed for his probably loss to the GOP candidate in November.
I agree with the conclusion that it is (past) time to get on with developing other institutions and bases of power. I’m a little surprised that no one is referring to Greenwald’s post yesterday on bi-partisan corporatism. From a progressive standpoint it’s been over for the Dems for a long time, and the value of the HCR debate is to make that clear to many.
OTOH, I’m still getting a whiff of the “Obama will wake up in time” fantasy. Similar to Kuttner on Moyers last night. It doesn’t matter how many princesses kiss the sleeping prince Obama. Nor does in matter how many frogs Obama chooses to smooch. He won’t wake up (transform). He’s not asleep.
Passing a Senate version of HCR is debatable on policy grounds. On political grounds it’s a disaster that validates and empowers Lieberman, Nelson, Lincoln, Landrieu, Baucus and, above all, Rahm. And the Village and MSM. And their lesser brethern in sleaze and slime. It marginalizes those who have taken a stand and fought from the left.
Kill the bill. And the party.
Kuttner has started shilling just like Ezra before him. The real power is shifting at a break neck pace from the center to the Independents. The two parties are relics of an anti, and undemocratic past.
If the Democratic leadership decides to deliver anything to the progressive wing of the party, then they’ll hand them some kind of victory on a social issue, e.g. gay marriage. The Democratic Party actually passes decent social legislation on occasion, but economic equality is almost always off the table, exceptions being SS privatization and minimum wage (still pretty awful with minimum wage legislation). It’s important to make that distinction. There are two types of legislative priorities to consider when interpreting legislative action from the Dems: social and economic. Gay marriage won’t hurt corporate profits so that issue might get some traction before anything else the progressive base is calling for.
Excellent piece!
Thank you!
We progressives will never be able to compete with corporate money. We can be effective if we find and support better candidates.
I decided back in the 40′s-50′s that the basic difference between Republicans and Democrats was that Democrats always made sure something drifted down to the people. Housing, a better highway, a school, a minimum wage increase – something tangible that improved their prospects somewhat. That seems to have been long lost. Today the only difference I see is the Dems talk prettier.
Perhaps I’m blinded by my Great Depression childhood, but it seems to me, our better choice is to put people in office who understand that creating a nation with no jobs, no homes, no health care, no hope will destroy this country a heck of a lot quicker than Climate change ever will.
I think it’s more fruitful to consider political events in the USA from a historical perspective rather than from the view that there is something unique and special about America that makes our current political situation seem anomalous. There is nothing exceptional going on here. Our leaders are just as greedy and corrupt as former 17th century monarchs or 20th century communist bloc dictators.
Being born in 1949, son of a dairyman in So Cal, my dada traded ‘berries’ for milk with Walter Knott when it was just a boysenberry stand (Knott’s Berry Farm)I grew up with the ‘shiny new’ American Middle Class created from the ‘boom’ created by FDR’s Progressive policies and WW2 (the ultimate ‘stimulus program’).
Eisenhower was even ‘Progressive’ compared to the present day conservative.
The 30 years it took for this Country to be ‘hi-jacked’ was a slow process laid out in the 1972 Powell Memo and implemented in small’bitesize’ strategies that started with infiltrating PTA’s to 26 years later Monica Goodling applying a ‘political filter’ to the DOJ.
Eisenhower would have ‘declared war’ on the present day Republican Party!
THE MISSION NEEDS TO BE: PUBLICALLY FINANCED ELECTIONS!!!!!!
lobbyists spend millions to BUY one vote, OUR VOTE!!
Why do you think they are FEVERIOUSLY trying to figureout how to HARNESS our communicating with eachother.
IT IS OUR GOLD!!
“Comprehensive immigration reform along the lines of the Grijalva proposal would achieve this. Repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell would achieve this (and repeal of DOMA would be a grand slam). Firing Geithner and Summers would achieve this. Breaking up some of the big banks would achieve this.”
I’m just going to have to disagree with you there. I don’t think anything the White House does now, besides creating a robust public option will get the left wing back.
Only took one year to completely destroy the Democratic Party. That’s less than it took Bush to destroy the Republican Party.
Impressive.
great post. ITA. I know one thing: that phony ain’t gettin’ me back!!!
Shorter analysis: BHO & the Democrats don’t give a shit about who “voted” for them. Our “votes” mean nothing. Money talks, baby. Here come da lobbyists, here come da lobbyists.
Sure, progressives may be “nicer,” and we tend to be all logic-y & reasonable-y & fact-y and all that fancy elitist stuff.
And sure, teabaggers at least appear to be easily led into shrieking and ranting in dumb stupid ways. But whether astro-turfed & manipulated, what are teabaggers shrieking about? They’re shrieking about what the lobbyists want. They’re dupes and pawns to our corporate overlords & they serve the corporate interests very well.
Sure why not blame us DFH progressives? The Atwater/Rove tactic has worked very well for so many decades now. Why not keep playing that broken record? We’re easy dupes, too.
Some of us have the audacity to hope that we’re not getting fooled once again, but here we are: second verse, same as the first. Although we might be correct, we’re kicked to the curb, marginalized and then have the teabaggers shoved in our faces with mewling explanations about how “they” (the teabaggers) are just so “upset” and we (DFH progressives) “need” to pay attention to teabaggers & “listen” to them. PUH-LEEZE pull the other one.
Gimme a break. It’s been quite clear for many months now just who BHO is beholden to, and it aint’ folks here at FDL or all the others who voted for him. And clearly, BHO, Rahm & Co. – otherwise known as Bush/Cheeeney in drag – could give a rat’s patoot about us, as they rush to the side of Wall St Inc with their grubby paws out grabbing YOUR tax dollars and mine and shoving it deep in their pockets.
What else is new?
Eh? We tried here, we really did. Now: what’s next?
Frankly discussing how they’re “blaming progressives” doesn’t get us anywhere. We’ve been blamed for everything that the oligarchy doesn’t like because, quite simply: they can, they do, and it works.
Next????
IT took decades to SELL this facade and you thought it was going to change with the election of ONE person.
That is the ‘short sightedness’ the conservative-side is banking on.
They obstruct ‘knowing’ that you will get frustrated and go home!
THEY WIN!!
When ALLLL the ‘civil rights’ that were GAINED by the Progressive Movements of the 50′s and 60′s, the enemies of those movements didn’t have an ‘epiphany’, they gritted their teeth and vowed to take those groups DOWN and here we are.
If Carl Rove had made his statement about a ‘republican permanent majority’
in the 60′s he would have been put in the cell right next to Joe McCarthy.
We the People LOSE if Progressives don’t KEEP FIGHTING for WE THE PEOPLE!
Dean/Grayson2012!
I take one small issue with your posting here Robert. While I can still be persuaded to “come and and support” SOME Democrats in the House and Senate, Obama is out of the question. As far as I’m concerned, he is persona non grata and there is absolutely nothing he can (or will) do at this point or in the future other than be a leopard that COMPLETELY changes his spots (closes Gitmo, provides civilian trials for ALL Gitmo detainees, COMPLETELY pulls the US out of Iraq, cancels the Afghan “surge” and COMPLETELY pulls out our military, quits fighting against accountability for torture and illegal spying by Bush, announces that rendition is no longer to be done and demands a law making that clear, and cuts military spending, fires Geithner, fires Rahm, and actually becomes a human being rather than a corporate robot).
Obama is done as far as I’m concerned. Done. I assure you he is a one-termer and I will also do whatever it takes to ensure that is the case.
Just saw a CNN “breaking news” clip of Reid announcing a deal and saying that he spoke out strongly in favor of a public option.
He looked like he was about to start crying.
They fucked the American people.
They fucked themselves.
And they know it.
He’s crying because he knows his career is over. Seriously, Reid IS going to lose his election in 2010.
He’s crying because he’s done. That’s it.
Dodd should be crying too for the very same reason. I’n not joking there either. Dodd’s career as a senator is going to end in 2010 too.
All for good reason.
Good riddance.
The tireless Dennis Kucinich told it like it was this week at a committee hearing on the economy. He blasted the bailouts and its inequities for turning Wall Street into “fat city” and the rest of us into its victims.
“Class warfare is over – we lost. Working people lost. The middle class lost.”
I think this says it all.
Kucinich should remember that people who have little left to loose are often the ones who and up carrying the day.
Robert, you could provide more details about the changing nature of “the left.” No longer are we merely the folks who shout [even in here] “to the streets.”
Obama may rue the day that he invited so many of us to participate in democracy, offered us the opportunity not only to donate in small amounts but in large numbers, but also to do all the ‘grunt work’ of campaigning: the phone banking, walking the neighborhoods to GOTV, stuffing envelopes, e-mailing our friends etc.
“The left” [or however Obama wants to disparagingly refer to the opposition] is not the backseat babies Chris Matthews described. We’re experienced campaign workers who read and are active. [Read the self-descriptions by folks who post here about their Obama disappointment.]
We may not yet have an answer beyond “just say no to this crap of a bill,” but believe me, by 2010, and certainly by 2012, we’ll have something Obama will notice.
There is nothing wrong with finding populist common ground with conservative Americans. This is not the same thing as catering to the loud mouthed yahoos behind the foundations and the GOP leadership.
But that is not relevant to what is going on here.
We were all hoodwinked, Obama never had any intention of leading a populist coalition to transcend the political manipulation directed at us to keep us divided and the elites in power.
There are some looney lefties, but by and large the progressive populist platform is much more popular than the conservative orthodoxy and viewed as an honest effort at problem solving by independents when compared to the right wing ideology of tax cuts and small government.
This is why they have to go to such great lengths to float candidates with progressive/populist appeal who end up fucking us. I do not believe that the Democrat Party is a viable vessel for progressive change.
-marc
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-feldman/year-of-the-rahm-get-em-t_b_398106.html
I’m not sure I agree with Feldman about not piping up about the public option early in the process. Had we not, it simply would have died last summer instead of now. I’m not sure the White House would care if they had progressive support or not, no matter when during the process.
- Tom
I think the left will only get stronger, but that it will no longer be called the left. This is the political language of the last century.
There are two reasons for this: 1) climate change–and the fact that only a global social movement will stop the world from cooking. It seems far-off now, but I think momentum, at least globally, is building. You have really important leaders on the world stage, such as Evo Morales, who have shown how the left can win and work. We have to stop being so narcissistic and look south.
2) Because the left was right (on the war, on corporations, on climate change), and we should not be bullied when we can stand on our record. It is sickening to watch the people who have fought hardest for health care reform, and who care most about it, be ridiculed for having principles.
We need to return to a principled politics. This is what Obama was missing. Nobody is in the mood for bipartisanship, consensus, or compromise when that means buying into all that’s wrong with our institutions–they attract compromised opportunists.
Above all, we need a new political language. I think I see this language emerging in the columns of Naomi Klein, George Monbiot, and in Latin America.
We need to take back words such as pragmatism from people, such as Obama, who refuse to pragmatically create new political realities. He says he deals with the “world as it is.” By saying this he accepts a corrupt and intellectually bankrupt system that was built on utopian ideas about free markets.
The “world as it is,” as King and Ghandi knew, is a place that can be radically changed when the time is right, and it is the right time now.
I hear alot of complaining but what are your ANSWERS?
Giving up and handing control BACK to the MOB is NOT in my vocabulary.
The 1st campaign I was a part of was 1964 after experiencing the ‘devastation’ this Country went through with the JFK assassination.
I watched a majority of the Watergate Hearings in the 70′s and the Iran Contra hearings in the 80′s and then I listened to Rush Limbaugh try to equate those scandals to oral sex from a woman who bragged to her friends that she was going to DC to get her ‘presidential kneepads’.
I watched the news as the phrase ‘koolaid drinkers’ was born by the Jonestown people in their death and decades later watched the ‘tea bag’ crowds, as I wondered if Rush was going to ask the baggers to drink the ‘tea’!
and I’LL BE DAMNED IF I AM GOING TO SIT BACK AND ALLOW THE TEABAGGIN’ PALINISTAS TO TURN US INTO THE IDIOCRACY!!
What MUST be done is fairly easy: We MUST support primaries against everyone that votes for the senate bill, and after that, everyone that has a role in creating what is going to be a horrible bill out of conference, and everyone that votes for THAT bill just to get ‘something’ done by xmas. Now here is the real key. IF there is no primary opponent to support, you do NOT go ahead and vote for the very same weasel that just shit down your throat (yet again) here. You either vote third party on the requisite races OR you abstain from voting, make sure NOT ONE THIN DIME of your money goes to the party apparatus or to ANY weasel candidates (that means NO donations to the DCCC or the DSCC or the DNC or any other official Democrat Party group).
What too many “progressives” fail to learn is that you do NOT vote for someone just because they have a “D” by their name. There MUST be real consequences to these bastards for their actions. They MUST lose their seats as a result of the dry assfuck they’ve given us. One way or another you do NOT vote for the “lessor evil” or give money to the apparatus. You ONLY vote FOR the NON-evil or donate to individual candidates that have EARNED it or who are primarying a weasel.
You sound like you’re getting a lot of invites from the Martha’s Vineyard crowd.
I was part of the 3 million people that showed up on the WH lawn and ended the VietNam war.
The ‘rightwing’ petition-pushers in front of Walmart don’t like me cause I am in their face!
This is a red part of CA and I PUSH Progressive Values!
The vehicle of the Democratic Party, I HOPE, is a STEPPING STONE to a Progressive Populist Labor Party because right now it’s the Money Party against the rest of US.
BUT
The political arena HAS BEEN HIJACKED.
The ‘election process’ NEEDS to be reclaimed and Publically Financed.
The answer IS NOT on Fox News.
Ok, so where are your winning numbers going to come from?
Uh, the war ended because it got too expensive for the elites to prosecute relative to the profits it was generating. Public opinion was ancillary to the pull out. All the hippies ended up making better was our food.
FoxNEWS is the corporate media mirror image of corporate media MSNBC and serves the same purpose. So long as you allow corporate media to define your politics, you’ve lost before you’ve even ventured onto the field of contest, just like Obama and the Democrats lost health care by giving away single payer as their first gambit GAINING NOTHING IN RETURN.
That’s the Democrats for ya, GAINING NOTHING IN RETURN.
You gotta quit reading that Ann Coulter History book!
The long list of Progressive accomplishments in the last 100 years have for the most part have been through politicians with D’s after their names.
‘fuckno’ is asking ME where the numbers are going to come from to win without ‘Fox’ and you think the Green party is the answer.
They may be the answer in the future as MORE and MORE people get educated to the corporate take over of our electoral system but they haven’t been a serious player to this point and the rules have been setup to marginalize 3rd parties.
And the ‘tea bag republicans’ have been manipulated with ‘terror tactics’ by their leaders for decades. The cons need enemies, the war on terror is a POLITICAL stratedgy that has exploited the ‘fight or flight reaction’ of the ‘daddy party’ followers for decades.
The Heritage Foundation etal keep the linguists busy keeping the hysterical, hysterical.
BUT the more they talk the more they hear themselves and there is a difference between ignorant and stupid and I BELIEVE the American people are smart enough to figure it out and I’ve got a list of my converted cons to prove it.
You supported Obama and you have the audacity to claim that Palinists are idiots? To what lengths would you go to redeem that choice, how far down will we have to go until you let go?
We progs and liberals have more in common with the Palinistas than both of us have in common with the Wall Street thieves.
So marcos who would/did you support, given our choices? I don’t BLINDLY follow anybody. I didn’t like Bill Clinton for the same reasons I don’t like Obama, but I voted for both of them because EVOLUTION is slow!
Politics is like panning for gold, you sift through the sand and fools gold to find the nuggets. The lockstep mentality that I’ve been arguing with for decades is evidenced in the videos of tea baggers spending a million$ on teabags to throw in the river to protest wasteful spending.
I work a local Dem voter registration booth at a famer’s mkt and have watched the idiocracy and it’s circular logic spin their heads off!
We progs and liberals have more in common with the Palinistas…
I am not the one you have to convince!
To THEM Liberal Progressives are the enemy:
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The only thing Liberals understand is the business side of an M16!
I didn’t make that up!
THEY talk that way about US and pointing out the stupidity pisses you off?
I BELIEVE if you discussed, issus by issue, the MAJORITY of Americans would agree with Progressives the MAJORITY of the time but the ‘vast rightwing majority’ has been in place for decades and HERE WE ARE.
Progresssives are RIGHT, the Palinistas are CONFUSED…
The “vast rightwing majority” includes Reid, Dodd, Baucus, Nelson, Lieberman, etc, etc, etc. The very people that too many progressives think have to be voted for no matter what just because they stick a “D” by their name on a ballot.
Progressives have for too long voted simply because of the D letter and happily ignored the actual things these monsters have done to we the people time after time after time. In EVERY case they vote to enrich themselves at our expense and to enrich and empower corporations at our expense.
Fuck em. Vote based on how they vote on bills, what bills the present for voting, and HOW THEY VOTE ON CLOTURE IN IMPORTANT INSTANCES LIKE HEALTHCARE, SCOTUS NOMINEES, DOMESTIC SPYING, PATRIOT ACT, WAR, TORTURE, ETC. Cloture votes matter even more than their actual floor vote in most cases.
The rate that our problems are mounting requires hydraulic gold mining instead of panning for gold. Obama promised to bring out the heavy equipment in certain circumstances.
That we allowed our hopes and aspirations to be projected onto a blank slate and then manipulated cannot be denied. I voted Democrat for the first time since 1992, largely to make Texans cry themselves to sleep because there was a nigra in the White House.
We are as confused as the Palinistas are. We are both freaked out because the world is being changed around us and we have no control over that situation. They feel their politics, we think ours. Each is legitimate, and we’ve got to start to cut through the manipulative bullshit and open the door to identifying common ground like kicking Wall Street out of the government that north of 2/3 of Americans would support.
Let’s criticize their bad policies and not try to characterize motive or equate policy difference with an intelligence on our opponents’ part. Building a broad, populist coalition in times of crisis is easier than working within the Democrat Party.
The Democrats marched lockstep against the Greens after 2000, mindless idiots by my estimation, but creatively effective at framing the Greens as responsible for Bush II for running a candidate on a platform that the Dems and Reps were almost identical. Well, it seems that we’re proven correct a decade down the road, and that it is the lockstep brain dead progressive Democrats who have egg all over their faces.
How much more will you all suck us into your pit of delusion that the Democrat Party is a viable vector for bringing the majority liberal/progressive consensus on all sorts of issues to bear on public policy? How much more good money would you have us throw after bad? How many more young folks will you demoralize by chasing the chimera of progressive reform through the Democrat Party?
The Democrat Party has been fucking Americans over since after WWII. They had their opening this year to live up to their promises. And as a party, they have failed miserably to put forth common sense, down the middle, economic, health care and foreign policy reforms.
We have been had by the Democrats for too long.
AGAIN!
Who do you support?
I ‘generalize’ about the ‘teabaggers’ and then you ‘generalize’ about the Progressives and I am supposed to say WHAT?
I’ve got references as far as my brain activity and was THERE for most of the History of the creation of the American Middle Class and KNOW that the Freedoms gathered by that Middle Class WERE/ARE the enemies of the ‘financial elitists’.
Read the Powell Memo of 1972, it DOCUMENTS my contentions about the Republican Party.
All I hear from you is same hyperbole that smacks of that ‘circular logic’ I associate with the ‘teabaggers’.
You are attempting to apply 1972 pre Internet thinking to a post modern world on the brink of a Climate disaster of Biblical proportions, – give it a rest.
GIVE IT A REST?
I’ve got the same answer for you as Obama asking the ‘left’ to pipe down!
FDR you!
I AM a progressive, I help get folks elected to local office and know what is involved in trying to put together electoral and trying to keep governing coalitions cobbled together.
We need a new menu, because the choices being offered don’t offer the nutrients required for us to accomplish the task at hand.
The more you enable liars, the more you become one.
“So marcos who would/did you support, given our choices? I don’t BLINDLY follow anybody. I didn’t like Bill Clinton for the same reasons I don’t like Obama, but I voted for both of them because EVOLUTION is slow!”
with that for strategy, I’d say you are looking at arrested development, if not in fact a devolution, hoss.
thier careers aren’t over. they’ll be well paid as lobbyists.
Think we could get along with Libertarians better than ObamaRahm. After all Rahm has been going around the country for some time giving money to republicans who will say they are democrats. Marginalizing progressives and Howard Dean. They have treated him horribly. His 50 state strategy is just common sense. Not some earth shattering far out policy.
The clintons and rahm have been hurting the democratic party for a long time. Clinton..repeal of Glass / Stegall.NAFTA…3 strikes and you are out. He is called a liberal. bill , hill and rahm are all republicans. Right wing at that.Words are important. We have a fascist govt. Look up the 14 part definition. It is US.
And thank you RC for a thoughtful post, I concur with your general theme, Obama’s toast until he deals with progs and includes us in his plans.
I offer only one question I still can’t answer.
1) He’s obviously bailing corporate america, from the get go with FISA, TARP, etc.
2) It’s being proven HCR is a sold out done deal to bail out HC and HC insurance companies.
3) These are SO obviously not going to please the massses, along with lack of bank/finan reform, or jobs development.
It’s a path to one term certainty, and still he’s walking it, bold and with swagger.
Headlong, into a failed Dem ’10, and a failed Dem ’12?
Why the party and general public masses self destruction?
It’s political suicide!
And I didn’t EVEN include bail outs for Pentagon by enabling continuation of contractor dependent actions in Iraq AND Afghanistan (not to mention Iran sits there like a duck on a pond, still).
Sigh.
Why the political suicide, at a cusp in history when he could have become one of the greatest in history?
Arianna Huffington has written that numerous DC aides have told her that everything will be fine once HCR is passed. They still think that throwing a rock cleverly disguised as a bone will be enough. Why not? It has been in the past. She is pretty influential but she could not convince them that they were dead wrong. They will have to find out the hard way. If they pass this and still keep on that course, we’ll know better whether it’s hubris or something more sinister.
It seems they would get a clue when their pleas for MONEY have fallen on deaf ears. I contributed in the past and am on many mailing lists. I have responded to their requests by saying I was not contributing anymore — all my money was going to MoveOn or liberal blogs. But still they email me …..
Shell, look on the bright side: their continued e-mails give you additional opportunities to tell them just how full of shit they are.
Actually, I’ve adopted a new tactic: I hit “unsubscribe,” give them an earful in their little “why” box, and then enter a fake e-mail. Thus they get a critical message, and I get to stay on the list and continue to write to them.
Only works if you have a high degree of tolerance for this crap.
Thank you for your reply, but I would argue we pretty well know what’s going on, why it’s going on and what the score is, as well the prognosis for our future.
We are under siege, it’s a class struggle, and I don’t see a lot positive light to shed on it if the masses are not aroused enough to conduct large scale and continual mass civil disobediance in a peaceful way.
In the meantime, as Mz. Hamsher and Pups have said, work local to elect as progressive as possible and then work up the ladder. Going into ’10, primary as many as can be done, and work towards ’12 and a primary for Mr. Obama.
Howard Dean/Elizabeth Warren for ’12!
I would love to see this:
Howard Dean/Elizabeth Warren for ‘12!
One of the only potential positives that I see about this health care insurance bailout bill is that maybe Dean will learn once and for all … after all he has done for the party and all the disrespect they’ve heaped upon him … that the party is hopelessly corrupt and he essentially can do little good working within it.
C’mon Howard, do it for the country … run as a primary candidate or even a 3rd party candidate … fuck the “party”, all it is is the democratic wing of THE PARTY.
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Sorry, Elizabeth Warren and Howard Dean. Dean needs to learn something from Warren before he’ll be ready for the presidency.
Not surprised. Every major job in the WH is held by a Clinton throwback. Clinton has been advising and guiding Obama throughout this process and the WH strategy is to do Clinton but NOT like Clinton. This isn’t the 90s and most of us who are progressives appreciate the 90s under Clinton but frankly consider his efforts a C if we are handing out grades . It was not Ken Starr, Newt, the great right wing conspiracy, the Republicans that brought Bill Clinton down but it was Bill Clinton …his policies, his arrogance that manifested itself in his inability to keep his britches zipped. Obama forgets who got him nominated and then elected…it was NOT Clinton centrist it was the diversity of the Democratic party. Progressives. This same group who he and super putz(Rahm) are trampling on now and who will not run to the dance anymore because we are indeed hardened and unwilling to accept mediocrity in the Democratic party that brought us George W Bush. The Clinton centrist gift to America was W. I suppose it could even be said that Clinton did give us W and that 8 years of hell taught us a lot, joined us together, and taught us we do not have to be the door mat for any party or any politician so maybe we should think Billary. The Tea Bag “movement” is the same old Libertarian GOP crap that has just gotten louder in seeking fascist purity….DC inside beltway folks are just fascinated by them and what they will or will not do at the polls in 10 and 12..but the thing they miss and will miss is how the progressives are going to snatch some politicians by the ears..we are greater in number, not as rude and stupid and it is the progressive movement that will now take the stage and lead the nation for a couple of generations at least. No Rahm…No Barack this is NOT the 90s and you will soon learn that.
I can’t tolerate Talking Points Memo anymore. Josh Marshall has Obama’s and the “conventional wisdom” dicks so far down his throat and up his ass that he only mumbles incoherently and farts little squeakers about how GREAT the healthcare bill in the senate is because it’s a bill! A bill that has “healthcare” in the title!
For Josh and his ilk, THAT’S good enough.f
Bastard needs to develop a REALLY expensive disease so he can enjoy the fruits of this great bill. I want him paying (by force, thanks to government jackboot) so much in co-pays and deductables that he goes bankrupt.
Josh posted something the other day from a “reader,” outlining how the bill would “help him,” and thereby concluding that the bill would be good for all.
Of course no comments to this little enterprise were permitted.
I wrote him a PM chastising this little trick: Josh, if it’s good enough for you to post, open it up so others can comment. perhaps, for instance, to discuss whether the letter writer’s perception that he would be “helped” under the bill is correct.
No, the beltway morons STILL don’t get it. It is painfully obvious that they see the internet as just another place to write their newspaper articles. Like a typewriter.
I will say it now — I don’t like The South. But, on the internet, Southerners can be the same as those from NYC or Berkeley. And, just like the non-internet-using southerners and mid-westerners, the Beltway is about 15 years behind the times.
And it really tickles me that Chrissie Matthews STILL thinks of “netroots” as children, not “regular” voters. He is only a few years older than I am, but, in his brain, he is as old as my 84-year-old mother.
PROGRESSIVES THIS IS A GREAT DAY!!!
What Progressive groups must now do, is develop internet ADS, paper Ads, for example showing John Kerry Laughing, and a Mother Crying to her kids because she can not afford her Medicine because JOHN KERRY LIKE BIG PHARMA MORE THAN LIKE HER!
What will ads like this do? They will make Kerry and others think before they vote.
The next idea is to learn how to attack corporations. All companies need customers. Develop ads connecting sorry politicians to the companies they work for. (what will this do? make stock holders think?)
The weakness that politicians have is they want to get re-elected!
The weakness that corporations have is they want maximize PROFITS !
Imagine if all progressives boycotted Wal-Mart, and shop at Target? I
promise you Wal-Mart would ask what is going on.
I CAN SEE THE ADS NOW!!! WAL-MART LOVES TEA BAGGERS, PROGRESSIVES SHOULD SHOP AT TARGET. YOU MUST MAKE COMPANIES FEAR THE CONSUMER!!!
The major weakness in a capitalistic system is GREED!!!
Progressive must learn how to use GREED against Politicians and Corporations.
You have got to love how Congress and the White House sold the Insurance Bailout Plan as a Health Care Plan. (they are going to try this word play again, so don’t let a person pee on you and say it is raining!!!)
Progressive need to develop campaigns!!!
For example, “WANT YOUR JOB BACK!!! VOTE PROGRESSIVE”
Progressive should not give their money to Democrats BLINDLY!!!
Make all DEM CANDIDATES SIGN A CONTRACT!!! MAKE THEM WORK FOR YOU!!!
When LOBBYIST COME AND THEY WILL COME, MAKE PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATES FEAR INTERNET ADS, MASS MAILING TO THEIR BASE, ETC. LOBBYIST CANNOT GET PEOPLE ELECTED, WHEN THEY TELL THEM VOTE AGAINST DISCOUNT DRUGS
The key is to make sure each dem candidate understand you can wipe out thousands of his or her votes with stroke of a KEY!!!
THIS IS AN AWESOME DAY FOR PROGRESSIVES!!!!
Progressives!
We know that the fix is in, they are going to pass the BILL, it has nothing to with Health Care, it is an Insurance Bail Out Program
What we need to do is prepare for the DAY AFTER they PASS it!!!
Prepare the newspaper ads, internet ads, telling the AMERICAN PUBLIC that ConserverDEMS are going to force you to buy Insurance.
Find candidates who will run against ConserverDEMS!
Barack Obama showed you how, tell them to talk like a ConserverDem on the Campaing Trail and act like a PROGRESSIVE in Congress. The opposite of what Barack Obama done.
Start working on the 2012 presidential election now!!! develop ads to run against OBAMA.
Obama is giving you the tools to beat him a presidential race!!!
For example, when the BILL pass it would be nice to have an AD saying in 2012 the NEW PRESIDENT of THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY will kill this BILL!
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Excellent analysis. Particularly:
There have been so many profound issues around legitimacy the past 30+ years that its as if the institutions have been revealed as threadbare, derelict, and focused primarily on protecting their own existence(s).
The Dem Congress caved to a reckless oil profiteer on Iraq, in part because Cheney and the neocons appear to have installed a Secret Government run out of GOP, that Congress never laid a hand on until at least 2006.
Congress never held Bush, nor Cheney, accountable for the outing of a CIA agent, for sending troops to Iraq without proper armor, or for their brazen theft of public lands, public resources, and anything remotely resembling an environmental regulation.
In addition, the FBI divisions that were supposed to investigate mortgage fraud and white collar crimes were apparently all re-assigned to ‘terrorism’, and we ended up with the biggest insurance fraud and mortgage Ponzi scheme of human history — which we are now supposed to pay off?!
I don’t see Bush, Cheney, or a single one of those neocons who sent people off to fight in 120 degrees, (while at the same time screwing with climate change data) have ever been charged with crimes, let alone done a day of jail time. Nothing says, “Forget about equality under the law” like a system that allows someone who outs a CIA agent to get a presidential pardon, eh?
Basically, the criminals ran wild.
And I don’t see that Congress effectively responded.
The changes the Dems are working on now are things that needed to happen 20 years ago.
And they can’t get things done because they continue to play by Senate rules that let a tail that constitutes 2.5% of the US population wag the dog that is 97.5%?
And we’re supposed to believe that they are acting in our best interests?!
Great analysis; appreciate the chance to sound off.
Franken, not surprisingly, outs himself as an Obamapologist.
“Overall, Franken said, his colleagues are happy with the bill. “All of us believe that we need to make basic reforms and that this does that,” he said of the product. “It’s an enormous step forward. It’s something we can build on. Social Security passage was just widows and orphans.” Social Security gradually expanded over time.”
Hey, Franken; Social Security started out as a Government Program, you dimfuck!
Brilliant. It is high time to adopt the tactics of the neoconservatives. Stall and obfuscate every act of this shameful administration. Out right the right, with a left twist. If Obama wants to do anything, not only will he have to appease the Neanderthals, he’ll have to deal with the progressive caucus instead of taking it for granted.
Not only has Obama misjudged the reform sentiment and the mood of present day progressives but the progressives, who through their hard work and political contributions that many could ill-afford, and who played a vital role in his getting into office, misjudged him. It may be impossible for Obama to ever get this support back again (fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me).
I am in total agreement with this post and the vast majority of the comments.
Been arguing the same for a good three months now, i.e., the question has been answered. Poor Mr. Obama is simply ill-informed and does not understand how politics works in America today.
Getting elected on the wake of BushEpicFail proved nothing beyond the campaigning skills of Plouffe and Axelrod.
No… they haven’t misjudged anything.
Progressives haven’t done a damn thing to cause any real political pain to the corporatists. Nothing. Clearly, it doesn’t matter how much money Progressives throw at the election process. The corporatists will corrupt anyone we get to DC.
The only way we can get what we want is by attacking the corporations in the wallet. Direct Action that strikes their quarterly profits. Boycotts and strikes.
I do not condone violence, against property or people, but for the life of me I don’t see how real change in this country will be made without it.
Asking the wealthy via the American-style democratic process to “Please, please take your boot off the neck of the rest of us” has been met with their unbridled derision. How long will it take and how much suffering will be endured by regular people whose lives become more hardscrabble daily to rise up and burn this nation and its masters to the ground? I read each of the one hundred and thirty posts before I posted mine and not a single idea nor suggestion will do as much to promote change as the mere threat of violence against those who hold the nation and its people in thralldom.
It is perhaps to my misfortune that I have read Spengler’s “Decline of the West” to believe in positive change by non-violence once a culture has entered the state of decay America has.
I repeat. I do not condone violence but I think that nothing will change without the threat of it. I wish I have not come to that conclusion, sincerely I do, but I have seen nothing to make me think otherwise.
I hope that my comments about the potential for violence are not censured because I believe that ignoring that potential will in fact increase its possibility.
the threat is palpable, and the extortionists are preparing; Goldman traders conceal/carry permits, War College strategizing for suspending posse comitatus, and Moody’s advising investors of potential severe unruliness in both developed and underdeveloped regions of the World.
The waxing wave is not just a local or regional event, – it is global, and it will no longer be stopped. Question is whether the leaders that will arise will be able to mitigate and constructively channel the expression of discontent and outrage, or whether this thing will get out of hand.
There’s a lot of strategic thinking, planing, establishing compacts, reaching across non structural differences to find common cause, and organizing. Perhaps Jane will pick up some of the slack in the reins, begin establishing think cells and constructive fora at FDL.
In essence, Obama has screwed his own base. Not very smart of him. He is now a one-term president.
The opportunity for systemic change is coming. Sadly, it is going to be a painful scenario for a lot of people. But, representatives of both parties will have nothing credible to say. It will happen quickly, and so will the response of Americans. It could get ugly.
See: http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/P1.html
What these people have done over the past 35 years is turn 5000 years of credit rules on its ass by uncapping interest rates and eliminating bankruptcy as a way to renounce debts.
It does not take long under such circumstances to accumulate wild amounts of wealth.
good link, thanks!
I wonder how Axelrod-Rahmbama are planing to defuse the current broad spectrum populist rage mounting against the (incompetence of) Government?
Their cutting deficits approach will enrage progressives when entitlements will wind up having a target painted on them. The cost of the Wars and bloated DOD budget, subsidies to Corporations, Wall Street bailouts, etc. are going to get an especial attention from the Independents and Libertarians, and it will be difficult for Obama to pitch these groups against each other when both agree that Washington empowered Kleptocracy is the primary culprit.
It will be an interesting 2010.
I think this diary represents old-line thinking that does not match the reality of what has been happening, especially with the actions (as opposed to the rhetoric) of Barack Obama.
Obama and Rahm did not make a simple miscalculation. They are not progressives or even liberals. Obama has made a career of indecisiveness which he then portrays as either: 1) deep thinking, 11th grade chess playhing, or 2) any way the political winds are blowing, to hide his true orientation which is overwhelmingly DLCer.
Obama was bought out by the power elite, specifically Robert Rubin and Goldman SAchs who in about 2006 noticed that he would be a wonderful and effective salesman for their causes which are unpopular to average Americans. In 2006, Rubin, former head of Goldman Sachs and former head of Citigroup along with Goldman Sachs funded a free trade think tank within the Brookings Institution. It’s called the Hamilton Project after former Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton, he of “the people are a great beast.” That’s exactly Rubin’s attitude too but they needed someone who could connect with the “great beast” and that is Obama.
So in April 2006, the Hamilton Project opened and at its opening ceremony Rubin and Goldman Sachs invited a young senator to speak: Barack Obama. In his speech, Obama tells who he really is and whom he represents. He first thanked “my friend Bob [Rubin]” and then went on to pay tribute to the need for unfettered free trade. Since he said this in 2006 and in 2008 campaigned to renegotiate NAFTA guess which is his real position? Espcially since after he made the renegotiate NAFTA pledge to get union votes in Ohio, he reneged on that pledge? Obama in his 2006 speech also underlined “the need” for cuts in entitlements (meaning Social Security and Medicare). They’re just too costly, he said.
After this good performance by Obama showing Bob Rubin exactly where he stood, Rubin and Goldman Sachs became Obama’s biggest campaign contributors. There are indications, too, that Obama’s ties to Goldman Sachs go back even farther. When he became a Senator, he hired as one of his chief staff members a former Goldman Sachs employee close to Rubin: Karen Kornbluh. She became “Obama’s brain”. So Obama’s “brain” is a former Goldman Sachs person, who incidentally, Obama has since appointed to be his ambassador to the OECD.
As for Rahm, he’s the consummate DLCer and backer of Israel (according to Bill Clinton in his autobiography, Rahm worked in the Israeli army).
So, Bob Rubin needed a super salesman to rescue firms like Goldman Sachs with unpopular bailouts. He bought as his salesman Barack Obama. Rahm is Obama’s handler and conduit to Israel. Bob Rubin is really the president.
While these connections are more or less well known, they do not alter the fact that in this class warfare we are on the other side and they have misjudged the willingness of a growing disappointed and disenfranchised population.
This is a Kleptocracy, yet we will soon enough have a substantial numberss of Democrats and Independents, with the help from Progressives, arrive at that conclusion, and together, their total % of the population will be around 40%.
The big question is whether there will arise someone who can make sufficient common cause to help the 40% rise above the petty squabbles and usher out Obama’s Oligarchs, with investigations, warrants and jail sentences.
Lot’s of work to be done, little time.
All you need to do is look at what is going to happen about the public option. NOTHING. And that tells you all you need to know about the strength of the new Left.
Not one Senator will change his vote. Obama will not change his mind.
The public option is now gone and no one is going to do a thing about it except post some blogs.
If the abortion language ends up like Stupak after the conference–not certain–I can bet not one Senator will change their vote on that either.
After Lieberman, no one Senator changed their mind or vote as a result of any shouting and complaining from the new Left. No one got influenced.
The difference between the positions of those in congress and the sentiments of the grassroots left and right are not to be underestimated.
We are being intentionally divided by the corporate parties and corporate media, being made to give 2 minutes hate to a caricature of each others’ opponents.
Americans agree northwards of 2/3, both left and right, that Wall Street should not run out government. The representative system is skewed and no amount of organization on the “left,” short of shutting down the economic engines of the Cities where we are strong, will reconcile that intentional discrepancy.
I really don’t understand why the american left/progressives insist on working within the two party system. I don’t see that ever affect any major changes. You’ll get tidbits here and there, but in the end nothing of substance will ever be achieved.
Excellent post, but I disagree with this, as something big and bold:
Immigration, and don’t ask, … etc are important issues — some of which may be more important to certain segments of progressives than others, but they are no where near as significant as issues in my opinion as health care reform (public option), and also withdrawing our troops from the two wars. For example, repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell is the right thing to do, and we all want that, but it directly affects probably a minuscule fraction of a very small community. Health care reform and war affects the lives of every single American.
To elaborate, if Obama repealed Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell tomorrow, I’d be happy about it, but would I forgive him for what he did on health care or for increasing troop levels in Afghanistan — NO WAY!
Instead we have a White House and a Senate Democratic leadership that still believes we live in the 1990s, where the “left” is weak and has little popular support. They’ve not understood the transformative effect of the 2000s and Bush in particular, who helped create a genuine American left with real and widespread popular support for the first time in 40 years.
Thats from From the opening
Not only that , but to the huge degree that they miscalculated how the HC bill would play out , they could have played it straight up and said “look , we can only really get 60 votes if we do this this and this” , kept it simple and clean and pushed it through like nothing , leaving the repubs looking like the weak fools they really are , Ried is clueless as to how you hold your cards close to your chest in poker to not show your hand , and he represents Vegas????
Instead , Now the dems look like weak administrators who will roll over on command , this has been a complete disaster , and it aint over yet folks