Let me start off the discussion with something Trita Parsi had mentioned to Laura Rozen recently…
…The United States wants Iran to stop enrichment to 20 percent, to turn over its stockpile of low enriched uranium, and to halt plans to make Fordo operational. “But what can they and the Europeans” offer in return? asked Parsi, who is the author of a new book on U.S. diplomacy with Iran. A “mutual freeze on any mutual escalation” is one possible formulation, he said. But western powers are “asking Iran to give up things they already have.” It’s hard to imagine, he added, that the United States would be prepared to offer Iran a corresponding suspension of sanctions already in place–particularly while a presidential election is under way in the United States…
Iran Affair’s Cyrus Safdari expands on the fallacy…
…And it occurred to me that in reality no one in the US can offer anything that Iran would logically and presumably ask for. For example, on the question of removal of sanctions: Can Obama actually remove the sanctions? He has the legal authority to rescind some Executive Orders, of course, but that is only a small part of the web of sanctions imposed around Iran. He would have to go up against the US Congress, which as that Tom Friedman character recently said, is “bought and paid for” by Israel. So how would these sanctions be removed, exactly? How could the State Department actually get Adelson to stop funding think tanks that hire PhDs as advocates acting under a guise of scholarly objectivity to promote the idea that giving up on sanctions amounts to Chamberlain bowing to Hitler? How could Obama get editors to stop or start using keywords and phrases over and over again in their publications, “Nuclear Weapons Program”, “Terrorism”, etc.? How could he do any of this, even if he didn’t have to worry about getting re-elected, because after all he can’t do anything unless he’s re-elected… {snip}
…So, am I right? Assuming that Washington wants to resolve things with Iran peacefully and is willing to make the necessary compromises to do so, IS anyone in Washington really in a position to deliver on such promises and to implement such policies in the face of domestic opposition, where being ‘weak on Iran’ is blood in the water for the opposing campaign? To sell any sort of real change in Iran policy to the public, or at least those who pay for his election campaigning, the President would have to be willing to consume a great deal of political capital. Can he get the necessary laws passed, and other laws rescinding? How many votes in Congress would that require? How much fighting will be required for each vote? Its just not possible. No politician in the US can do this. Even assuming he could win some of the fights, it would consume far more resources than any politician can be willing to dedicate to a single cause…
MJ Rosenberg, in Al Jazeera, cited Jeffrey Goldberg a few times…
Assassination in Tehran: An act of war?
The murder of an Iranian nuclear scientist in Tehran suggests that Israel and neoconservatives are pushing for war.
…Writing about a piece in the current edition of Foreign Affairs that endorses bombing Iran as a neat and cost-free way to address its nuclear programme, Goldberg explains why he thinks the author, Council on Foreign Relations fellow Matthew Kroenig, is wrong. Goldberg says he now believes:
…that advocates of an attack on Iran today would be exchanging a theoretical nightmare – an Iran with nukes – for an actual nightmare: A potentially out-of-control conventional war raging across the Middle East that could cost the lives of thousands Iranians, Israelis, Gulf Arabs and even American servicemen.
Think about that for a minute. Uber-hawk Jeffrey Goldberg is saying that the threat posed by Iran is a “theoretical nightmare” while a war ostensibly to neutralise that threat would present an “actual nightmare”.
{snip}
…Here is Jeff Goldberg again in a column subsequent to the one I already cited:
If I were a member of the Iranian regime (and I’m not), I would take this assassination program to mean that the West is entirely uninterested in any form of negotiation (not that I, the regime official, has ever been much interested in dialogue with the West) and that I should double-down and cross the nuclear threshold as fast as humanly possible. Once I do that, I’m North Korea, or Pakistan: An untouchable country.
In short, for those hell-bent on getting the US engaged in a war that even Jeff Goldberg views as a “nightmare” for both the US and Israel, this is a very good day indeed.
Congratulations. Or something like that.
Jim Lobe really hammers home the point…
Whoever Killed the Scientist Was Aiming at Much More
…My sense of the last week or so was that the mostly verbal confrontation between Iran and the U.S., particularly regarding the Strait of Hormuz, was spinning out of control much more rapidly than anyone had expected and that the possibility of a conflict had suddenly become very real in ways the Obama administration certainly never intended. (See Anne-Marie Slaughter’s CNN column, “Saving Face and Peace in the Gulf,” as an example of “this is getting really dangerous all of a sudden”. Until last fall, of course, she was Clinton’s director of policy planning and a very influential figure in the administration.) So there seemed to be a real effort to dial things back, expressed not only in repeated statements by senior administration officials, including Clinton, emphasizing Washington’s readiness to negotiate, but also, if the always well-informed Laura Rozen is to be believed, a lot of diplomatic — some of it, I’m sure, behind the scenes — manoeuvring to get the P5+1 process back into gear, with Turkey serving as the convenor/mediator.
Under these circumstances, the timing of today’s assassination was particularly remarkable. Among other things, it makes me believe that the U.S., which condemned the attack and categorically denied any role in it (See Clinton’s statement in her press conference with the Qatari Prime Minister here), was not in fact involved.* That leaves two obvious suspects: 1) Israel and 2) a faction within the Iranian regime. If there was indeed an Israeli hand behind it, the assassination was not just an effort to set back the Iran’s nuclear program and induce fear among other scientists working on it. I think it was also a provocation designed to 1) blow up prospects for progress in any p5+1 negotiations that might convene over the next month or so; 2) strengthen hard-line factions in Tehran that oppose negotiations; and 3) possibly provoke retaliation that will further escalate tensions, if not armed conflict. Of course, all three of these overlap and reinforce each other. If it was an internal Iranian faction, which, frankly, I find more difficult to believe, both 1) and 2) above also apply…
About the possible internal Iranian faction within the Iranian Regime, both Emptywheel and Jim White are pointing to JSOC ops, as opposed to CIA ops, and, even the possibility of Mossad posing as CIA agents…!
Alex Kane at Mondoweiss had this to add…The headline you aren’t seeing: Iran wants talks, Israel pushing for war…
Foreign Policy has been abuzz with numerous posts…
Iran agreed to nuclear talks and an IAEA mission… And… Do Israelis really want to bomb Iran?
Now, as ex-CIA Middle East desk Chief, Philip Giraldi, updates his 2007 prognostication of What World War III May Look Like… He then paints a mighty bleak picture of What War With Iran Might Look Like…
God help us all…!



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Recommended, CT. I look at another angle, contending Israel has become an insidious enemy of the United States:
http://my.firedoglake.com/edwardteller/2012/01/13/mossad-caught-posing-as-cia-to-recruit-iranian-terrorists/
*heh* While you were commenting on mine, I was commenting on yours…! ;-)
…The United States wants Iran to stop enrichment to 20 percent, to turn over its stockpile of low enriched uranium, and to halt plans to make Fordo operational. “But what can they and the Europeans” offer in return? asked Parsi,
We can give them solar, wind tech equal or greater than anything they have now. We can give them a peace treaty. We can admit our hand backing the Shah and the torture he did.
IS anyone in Washington really in a position to deliver on such promises and to implement such policies in the face of domestic opposition, where being ‘weak on Iran’ is blood in the water for the opposing campaign?
Sure just say the words War with Iran and $10 a gallon gas bypass the Media ans congress just go straight to the people.
Aloha, CTut! I really wish I could figure out who benefits here. Somehow it is just beginning to look like whatever happens, everybody is going to lose big-time.
*heh* Did ya see this little golden oldie from Juan Cole, TCU…?
Good Nuclear Iran, Bad Nuclear Iran…
IS anyone in Washington really in a position to deliver on such promises and to implement such policies in the face of domestic opposition, where being ‘weak on Iran’ is blood in the water for the opposing campaign?
Yes $10 a gallon gas if we go to war with Iran trumps the MSM an Congress.
Aloha, Jim…! Nobody’s a winner here at all…! 8-(
But, Tebow, had best get the ball downfield tomorrow nite…! ;-)
100 Senators had voted to impose sanctions, TCU, seriously…! Think about it…! 8-(
I think it was also a provocation designed to 1) blow up prospects for progress in any p5+1 negotiations that might convene over the next month or so; 2) strengthen hard-line factions in Tehran that oppose negotiations; and 3) possibly provoke retaliation that will further escalate tensions, if not armed conflict.
I am sure the killing of the Iranian scientist was meant as a message to Iran’s leadership. I assume nuclear scientists are well protected the killing tells Iran’s leadership they will be next if a war happens.
If Iran then does a sneak attack Iran’s political leadership and their families will all disappear and or get body guards.
Israeli agents watching the families of Iran’s leadership will know an attack is coming this way.
Its actually a smart tactic in a very stupid plan.
100 Senators can vote for anything but if we do actually get $10 a gallon gas the Senators will change their minds.
Good Iran Bad Iran has a theme Iran getting nukes is good when they are our friend. Its bad when they are not our friend.
We never ask what about us being Iran’s friend.
As usual nice work.
Thank you for keeping us informed.
It’s all about the timing. Not yet, but soon.
I still think March, because by then all the military assets will firmly be in place.
Also, gotta coordinate with Israel (ie. do as they say because we are their bitch), Turkey, Britain, Canada, France, …
It takes time to coordinate with so many countries and lie to all their citizens well.
Also, there should be some kind of attack on US soil, OR Israel to gin up the revenge in the masses. It takes time.
I would also say the idea that those in charge are rational or logical is nonsense. Invading Iraq did not help to decrease prices (never the plan anyway). It was all about getting access to the oil. Same with Libya. And same with Iran. They are sociopaths. They don’t care about civilians. Or the soldiers. Or anyone. It’s not personal, just business.
Mahalo, tambershall…! I try to keep ya’ll up to date…! ;-)
The 1% don’t give a damn, We the People, need to turn this Titanic farce away from the looming Iceberg…! 8-(
This is just wild speculation on my part, and send me back to my corner if you agree, but if I recall correctly, back during the BP disaster in the Gulf there was talk right here on FDL that one reason BP couldn’t just “mop” up the oil was because there were no supertankers available. They were all sitting around being used as storage containers for oil speculators. If I recall correctly, it was at a cost of about 20k a month, not counting the cost of the oil they were holding. At the time, I remember finding this rather incredible because it meant the cost of oil/gas would have to reach the upper stratosphere (hell, outer space)to make this speculation pay off for banks/investors. I’m wondering if Goldman Sachs wants out of the oil storage biz.
I’m wondering if Goldman Sachs wants out of the oil storage biz. Could very well be, because as soon as a single Oil Tanker is sunk in the Straits of Hormuz or the Persian Gulf, all the tankers’ Insurance policies will be either canceled and/or the rates will be jacked up to exorbitant levels…! Which would of course be felt at the pump…! 8-(
And the speculators would be happy dancin’ all the way to the bank.
You and me, bread and water.
Buddy, we can agree to disagree, but I don’t think it can be. They don’t want it to be. They don’t feel the pain.
Here’s hoping I’m totally wrong about this.
An interesting side note that just occurred to me. The acting mercenary I know, just redeployed to the Caribbean, not the ME, where he has been happily pulling in big bucks the last few years. From what he’s told me in the past, he’s taking at least a 7k/month pay cut.
Two random observations.
Israel has been into strategic and tactical assassinations since its inception. E.g., U.N. peace negotiator Folke Bernadotte, a Swedish civilian credited with saving a number of Jews during WWII. Among others that come to mind is Gerald Bull, a Canadian artillery designer allegedly involved with Saddam Hussein’s effort to develop a long-range artillery gun capable of hitting Israel from Iraq.
The U.S. shows great respect for nations possessing nuclear arms, e.g., North Korea. The Iranians have surely noticed this, and that they get no such respect. ‘Nuff said.
Yep, you n Edward Teller nailed this one all to hayall.
Bless you both, OF COURSE it was US and CIA and still is, stirring up shit for MIC and corporate fascist warmongering.
Of course it is, no one with any semblance of a brain who paid attention to global affairs for 50 years or more would think any different.
On we trudge, with the stupids thinking Ron Paul is an anti war savior.
Dawg help us all . . . ;-)
Here is an article from several years ago about a 2002 war game that showed that if the U.S. went to war with Iran, we’d likely lose the Fifth Fleet. I’m in no position to judge.
Here’s an awesome NOVA article with Gen. Van Riper after Millennium Challenge 2002…!
The Immutable Nature of War…
Thank you for the post, CTuttle.
That is all beside the point.
The goal is regime change and they will let no attempts at peace or dialog get in the way of that.
Iran needs medical isotopes for one. The US wanted them to give up all their stock piles of Uranium without delivering on that.
They haven’t even violated the NPT agreements, but the US has.
We agreed to give India nukes without them becoming signatories.
But back to the warmongering….This has been going on since George Bush Sr. was President and could be why he only had one term. He viewed the Neocons as dangerous.
MJ Rosenburg:
These nuts associated with Netanyahu want peace delivered through the barrel of a gun in the ME, they killed their own President – Rabin, because he betrayed this ideology.
AIPAC, From the Inside- Isolating Iran
Cui Bono…?: McCain.
Our troops should be leaving the military as fast as possible unless they are inclined to take part in another war in the ME to benefit Israel.
I did notice how some folks “do” each other – not that there is anything wrong with that. :-)
Meanwhile you folks might want to discuss the difficulty of finding some one to reach a deal with in Iran. The President of Iran reached a deal on the nukes with the US a few years back – went home and was told by the Mullahs that there was no deal – since the “Supreme Leader” does not negotiate these days directly, it is a hard problem to solve. Explains why Turkey refers to Iran as a failed country, needing a secular form of government (this coming from a PM who is an Islamist!).