There seems to be a contentious debate raging here at myFDL about the use of various sources and, inparticular about who’s sources are right and whose are wrong…! I would posit that both ‘sides’ are right in gloaming upon any sort of semblance of the ‘truth’ in what is truly transpiring on the ground in say, Homs, Damascus, and/or Aleppo…! I remember a very similar debate occuring here during the Libyan fiasco, and, I wrote several diaries about my thoughts on it like this one: ‘Intervention – Disaster For Libyans’… Not being a ‘cruise missile liberal’ I had completely disagreed(and still disagree) with the entire ‘Right to Protect’ (R2P) UN/Nato fallacy…!
I would like to start off by stating, unequivocally, that Nobody’s Hands are Clean in Syria, be it if they’re the various Nation-States, the Syrian Govt, NGOS, Religious Sects/Orgs, Western Media, etc…! They’re all bloody…!
b at Moon of Alabama, brings it into proper perspective…
The Western Logic Of Intervention In Syria
1. China and Russia vetoed the recent western UN Security Council resolution because they feared that the west’s intention, despite denials, was regime change in Syria by force.
The west has now decided to disprove their “disgusting” fears wrong by attempting regime change by force in Syria.
2. It is feared that a prolonged internal struggle in Syria could create problems in countries surrounding Syria.
The west must therefore act to intensify and prolong the struggle in Syria by destabilizing countries surrounding Syria.
3. The best way to better human rights in a multi-faith country ruled by a secular plutocracy is to weaponize those backward religious forces that will provide for the most savaging sectarian-dictatorial rule possible.
Seriously folks, digest each one of those points…!
Now, one truly needs to grasp the full demographics and history of Syria to even begin to parse through all the ink (and blood) being spilled…!
And for what…? It should always be realized that the most Profitable Corps ever, are gaming the system in whatever manner they can, as the ever intrepid, Pepe Escobar sums up in his latest Magnum Opus…
(6)What’s the Western strategy on the ground?
Borzou Daragahi from the Financial Times has just confirmed that militias in Misrata, in Libya, announced the deaths of three Libyan de facto mercenaries in Syria. These Libyan Transitional National Council assets landed in Syria – alongside weapons stolen from Gaddafi’s warehouses – courtesy of NATO cargo planes.
For months now, as Asia Times Online has reported, French and British special forces have been training fighters in Iskenderun, in southern Turkey. The Central Intelligence Agency is involved in intel and communications.
The FSA(Free Syrian Army) uses the ultra-porous Syrian-Turkish border at will. Turkey built several refugee camps; and Ankara hosts the leaders of both the SNC and FSA. There’s also the Jordanian front – the connection to the heavy Islamist (and backward) Daraa. But the Syrian-Jordanian border is infested with mines and heavily patrolled; that implies a long 200-kilometer detour in the middle of the desert.
Most of all FSA fighters go back and forth from Lebanon. The privileged smuggling route is from the northern Bekaa valley in Lebanon toward the opposition strongholds, the Sunni-majority cities of Homs and Hama. There’s another route from the central Bekaa valley going south toward the suburbs of Damascus (that explains how both strongholds are being supplied). But the whole thing is very dangerous, because Syrian ally Hezbollah is very strong in the Bekaa valley.
7. Who’s winning?
Assad has promised – once again this Tuesday to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov – there will be a new constitution and national elections by summer. Half-hearted or not, this is an attempt at reform.
Yet the usual, unnamed “government officials” have already leaked to CNN that the White House has asked the Pentagon to simulate game scenarios for a direct US military intervention in favor of the rebels. So a NATOGCC intervention bypassing the UN remains a solid possibility; a false flag operation blamed on the Assad regime might be the perfect casus belli.
8. And what about the Syria-Iran connection?
Syria is crucial to Iran’s sphere of influence in Southwest Asia/the eastern flank of the Arab nation. BRICS members Russia and China want to keep the status quo – because it implies a regional balance of power that pins down American hegemony. For China, uninterrupted Iranian supplies of oil and gas are a matter of extreme national security. On top of it, if the US is tied up in the Middle East, so the much-touted Obama administration/Pentagon “pivot” towards Asia, and especially the South China Sea, will take much longer.
The bulk of Washington elites see regime change in Syria as a crucial way to hurt Iran. So this goes way beyond Syria. It’s about shattering the Iranian regime, which is not a Western satrapy; energy flows from the Middle East to the West; the West’s grip on the GCC and the intersection between the Arab and Persian worlds; and preserving the role of the petrodollar. Syria-Iran is a now a titanic match between NATOGCC and Russia/China – to try to expel them from the Middle East. The Pentagon’s Full Spectrum Dominance doctrine is never more alive than when the jackals and hyenas of war are screaming and kicking.
Now, remember that DoD is the largest single consumer of Oil…
…The DoD uses 360,000 barrels of oil each day. This amount makes the DoD the single largest oil consumer in the world. There are only 35 countries in the world consuming more oil than DoD…
They know which side their bread is buttered…!
Just think of how many interlocking directorates are involved in our vast sprawling DHS/MIC/Intel Apparatchik…!
In this Eleventy-Dimensional Chess Match, the Western MOTU’s are trying to position themselves in a veritable Win-Win scenario, in that, they’ll win if they ‘destabilise’ Iran/Syria through regime change, and/or, short of regime change, they’ll still profit enormously off the ginormous spike in the cost of Oil…! What the clueless bastards are failing to grasp is the real whirlwinds of change they’re whipping up…!
Here, there and everywhere…!
*gah*



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Was reading the ‘history’ link re Syria and read this and had to laugh for obvious reasons: “a great Semitic empire spread from the Red Sea north to Anatolia and east to Iraq from 2500 to 2400 BC”.
As Alfred North Whitehead said (and I’ve not experience anything in my life that rebuts his proposition): “There are no whole truths: all truths are half-truths. It is trying to treat them as whole truths that plays the devil.”
BUT ,wow, no mention in the wiki of the Muslim Brotherhood and it’s role in Syria and how the Brotherhood was involved in the Homs massacre(which also is not mentioned in the wiki).
I agree that the Sunni-influenced MB is downplayed, but it’s truly a factor, I didn’t want to delve too deeply into all the internal machinations occuring in Syria, but, it should be noted that the House of Saud wants to offset the Secular Ba’athist regime, like Iraq once had been btw, and instill their Sunni/Wahabbist sectarianism over Iran’s Shi’ite Hezbollah role in Syria…! I’m willing to parse through all the numerous nefarious roles in play, such as the 1.8 million Ba’athist Iraqis that had fled to Syria when we conducted our ‘shock and awe’…! Also the 1/2 million Lebanonese that fled Lebanon during Israel’s ’06 invasion…! There’s a lot of ancilliary activities that have lead up to the morass that is Syria, today…! 8-(
Is there a safe level of inebriation one can achieve that causes all of this to make sense and come into focus?
I’ve got the Iran/Israel issue figured out, to the extent one can make sense of that, but adding Syria to the mix just makes my head spin.
Do you ever wish you could just whack some people upside the head? I’m not a violent person by nature but this past week, especially, makes me want to let loose with a 2×4.
It makes me shake my head that any decent and aware human being would be willing to get caught up in these debates about what is ‘really’ going on in Syria, and what ‘sources’ are credible. The game plan here is all too obvious, and any socalled progressive or lefty who doesn’t see how the US/Nato/Israel conglomeration selectively focuses on civil unrest in countries where the hegemon seeks regime change, civil unrest that the hegemon itself has invariably played a huge rule in stirring up, a role that starts with levying sanctions, and ranges from recruiting/training/supporting factions, to shipping in hit squads/mercenaries and guns., to building up masses of international hype through media and faked up or heavily controlled international organizations, not stopping at faking ‘evidence’ and making up events — ANYONE WHO DOES NOT SEE THIS PATTERN IS CHOOSING NOT TO SEE IT.
It’s as simple as that. If you don’t see the Empire’s vicious campaign of global domination masquerading as concern for human rights, then you are CHOOSING not to see it, BECAUSE YOU SUPPORT THE WARLORDS AND DOMINATORS.
It’s as simple as that. If you are supporting intervention in Syria, you are a supporter of the warlords.
Just look at the Arab League and the GCC. A nastier band of US-backed cutthroats could not be found. If you don’t see that what is happening to Syria is the same as what was done to Libya, which was the same as what was done to Iraq, which was the same as what was done to Vietnam, then you are simply one who has chosen to support evil.
Don’t buy into their game-playing wonkathons about whether Global Research is a reliable source (whether it is or isn’t, we KNOW that the NGOs, and the NYT, and the State Department, and Al Jazeera, are NOT).
— ANYONE WHO DOES NOT SEE THIS PATTERN IS CHOOSING NOT TO SEE IT…
Eggs-actly, Imka…! Couldn’t have said it better…! ;-)
It’s not hard to figure out and you know it. Syria has been under covert attack. The fact that the US has been supporting opposition groups was revealed by wikileaks, but we knew it even if hadn’t been. The fact that the ambassador appointed by Obama was, like Negroponte, an expert at ‘destabilization’ speaks for itself to those who care to hear. The fact that fighters have been brought in from Libya speaks for itself. The fact that the media have been caught again and again hyping fake information, and have routinely hyped information by ‘opposition activists’, without acknowledging that those activists are typically US-backed partisans speaks for itself. The fact that the very countries claiming to judge Syria, such as Turkey and Bahrain and Jordan and Saudi Arabia, and Israel, have themselves HORRIFIC human rights and democracy records speaks for itself.
I suggest that you stop focusing on all the minutia that Obama defenders and other warmongers would have you focus on. Gee, is the NYT more credible than Global Research (it isn’t, but that’s not the point)? Look at the overall geopolitical situation. It’s blazingly simple. The US is using human rights as a shield for war. VIRTUALLY EVERY WARMONGER HAS DONE THIS in one way or another. For God’s sake, Hitler did this. It’s pathetic that so many who claim to be progressives buy into this.
“I would like to start off by stating, unequivocally, that Nobody’s Hands are Clean in Syria …”
So it sort of comes down to who’s side you are on.
“BRICS members Russia and China want to keep the status quo…”
That’s why I’m on their side. The status quo seems preferable to me than an apocalyptic war and world wide depression.
“What the clueless bastards are failing to grasp is the real whirlwinds of change they’re whipping up…!”
The clueless bastards want to rule the world by force of arms. That never works and always results in mass murder. That’s why I’m not on their side.
Thank you for this excellent diary.
Things have reached the point of blazing absurdity where it’s no longer possible to make excuses for those who refuse to see. For God’s sake, Turkey, which oppresses political opponents at home, and terrorizes the Kurds, CRITICIZING SYRIA, and Bahrain too jumping in with both feet? Could anything possibly be more grotesque?
Drunk as a skunk might work, tuez…! ;-)
Forgive me for neglecting to add the snark tag.
The sheer Hypocrisy of it all runs rampant…! 8-(
Appreciate your contributions to FDL CT — you got the Libyan story right when it was far too fashionable to get it wrong.
And so now it is the Syrians turn to get what Iraq and Libya got.
All the while the pieces are played by WashingtonDC whether run by the Ds or Rs in the WH/Congress to set up Iran for a death and destruction fest to preserve post WW2 global American hegemony.
With Iran being choked by sanctions clearly intended to weaken/rip apart the social/food/health/economic well being of Iranians we see a repeat of the barbarity WashingtonDC so avidly employed/deployed during the 1990′s against Iraq. How did SoS Madeline Albright put it? Something about 500,000 dead Iraqis being “worth it”.
Worth it. What bastards we Americans were then. Are still now under this Nobel Peace Prize POTUS Barack Obama and this SoS Hillary Clinton who was so taken up with Madeline Albright while Albright was so self satisfied with her “worth it” claims. We Americans are always so at the ready to paint ourselves as the “good guys”.
The good guys? Americans killed off and stole from the Native Indians time after time. What we did to the Filipinos after “freeing” the Philippines from Spain was the worst of jingoistic/colonial/imperial depravity.
Libya is a political/para militarized/ social wreck at this point and those who were so adamant about R2P,Humanitarianism and imposing a NFZ run by NATO with heavily cloaked American direct control over Libya should fully take account for and carry guilt about Libya. American fingerprints are all over Libya’s implosion.
Syria clearly is going to get what Libya got. The fraud of the UN vote where SoS Clinton displayed her true shallow self well in attacking Russia and China for doing what the USA routinely does over Israel time and time again was naked hypocrisy.
Syria is now being undermined by WashingtonDC propaganda which American mainstream political media largely catapult unquestioned.
Likely enough WashingtonDC is going to “regime change” Syria and likely enough Tehran and Iran are going to see what Baghdad and Iraq saw during the 1990′s in lead up to the all out open attack of early 2003 on Baghdad,Iraq and the Iraqi people.
Look at Iraq today after all these years of American sponsored killing and destroying and know this is what Americans did to Iraq. Not the Germans. Not the Russians. Not the Chinese.Americans did it.
Americans like to portray the Germans or Japanese of WW2 as being really bad players. We should take at long look at ourselves.
Thanks CT — stay with it. Like so much of what GG writes about you too have the capacity and ability to find and get to the middle of this stuff. Libya is a broken country now. As is Iraq.Fact.Truth.
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Lets go back to 1978:
Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria all had regimes that were as secular as possible in their respective regions.
In Afghanistan, a woman, Anahita Ratebzad, was revolutionizing women’s education along a Soviet equal rights model. The CIA started destabilizing the model, resulting in direct intervention of the Soviets. 25 years later, we came in. Ten years after that, women have made no significant gains in open society.
In Iraq, women were being offered educational opportunities second only in the Middle East to those offered in Israel. This continued for the next 25 years, creating a female professional class second to none in the Arab world. Then we invaded and occupied. Things did not get better.
In Syria, the secular Baath regimes have similarly offered women advantages many Arab nations, particularly our closest Arab allies do not offer. Should we invade, the chances of that paradigm surviving are questionable.
That’s just women’s rights. There are other issues.
What nation in that part of the world where we have intervened have women gained more actual professional and civil advantages?
Mahalo, shootthatarrow, I always appreciate your insightful comments too…! *g*
That’s just women’s rights. There are other issues.
Too many others, although I’m religious, not devout, but, I’m embracing of one’s religious views, I truly despise what’s being forwarded by too many of the ‘disciples’ of the major Abrahamic religions…! God truly did not intend what is being perpetrated in his name…! Just read what each of the various Sons/Messiahs had to say firsthand about Social Justice and/or Equality for all…!
Try this for history :
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=767&Itemid=74&jumival=7854
I take wiki with a grain of salt.
Anytime Obomba/Killary go bombastic about UN vetoes and the O-pologists come out, here is how to tackle them :
http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/4237/us-on-un-veto_disgusting-shameful-deplorable-a-tra
Oops sorry, I posted the same link as Ctuttle.
Thanks for this CTuttle; I assume you saw that discussion yesterday on ubetcha’s thread. (Sorry we hijacked it, ubetcha; but it was for a passin’ good cause.) ;o)
Thank you, CTut.
Recommended to the considered reason of everyone at FDL.
DW
I think a war will happen because O unlike Bush has had so much success in foreign policy and none in domestic policy. There is an election coming up O read Reagan’s bio Reagan fought lots of silly little wars but they while accomplishing nothing did help boost his ratings. O’s problem is he is Black and the prowar crowd hates him nothing O will ever do will win them over.
http://my.firedoglake.com/ubetchaiam/2012/02/08/the-great-game/
Thanks Wendy; guess my title was ‘sexy’ enough :->)
http://my.firedoglake.com/ubetchaiam/2012/02/08/the-great-game/
Kept tellin’ myself ta leave it the hell alone…over and over…
;o) Dude needed some pushback, ya know?
Just a tad…! ;-)
Btw, Juan Cole just wrote an awesome post today…
The Dilemma over Syria…
From Cole:”I would argue an even stronger case against. Once you flood a country with small and medium arms, it destabilizes it for decades.”
From DN yesterday: “Iraq Vows Crackdown on Private Military Firms”
The Iraqi government says it will impose new curbs on private military firms to slow what it calls a “giant army” threatening national sovereignty. Iraqi Deputy Interior Minister Adnan al-Asadi said scores of unlicensed weapons have been recovered in raids of the companies’ offices.
Adnan al-Asadi: “What the Interior Ministry worries about is that there is a giant army of these companies on the streets with their weapons. It does not matter if these weapons are licensed. They pose a security risk that must be addressed in any way. ”
Of course, those weapons also represent a threat the al-Maliki’s efforts at dictatorship.
Your comments are exceptional, but not everyone has discerned this as fully as you do. Do you remember your own naiveté, when the sheet was pulled back to expose just a portion of the real world of ugly power and real politiks, but not the entire picture?
These are hard truths to swallow, and they destroy our happy fantastic ideas about the world we live in, that the shining city on the hill in the most wonderful country to exist forever and ever amen- is as elusive as santa clause, and the sky god who is three in one.
It’s a long trip and some people vacillate.
Great diary Island boy.
Emptywheel had a little piece on it.
Another thought about Imka- and why we have to even talk about this..
Who will tell the younger ones the truth if only the war mongers are speaking?
Whether it really is or not, claims of a dictatorship abound when someone is in power that we can’t control. e.g. Obama and his czars.
The Iraqi government hasn’t broken down, and Al Maliki still leads a coalition.
Mahalo, shek…!
Who will tell the younger ones the truth if only the war mongers are speaking?
I’m already telling my 5mos old grandson, all about it today…! *g*
Zounds.