All war is deception. ~Sun Tzu
Let’s look at some of the current developments that are swirling inside and out, of the Syrian borders…
Syrian tanks amass near Turkish border: FSA general
A general in the rebel Free Syria Army said on Friday that Syrian government forces had amassed around 170 tanks north of the city Aleppo, near the Turkish border, but there was no independent confirmation of the report.
General Mustafa al-Sheikh, head of the Higher Military Council, an association of senior officers who defected from President Bashar al-Assads forces, said the tanks had assembled at the Infantry School near the village of Musalmieh northeast of the city of Aleppo, 30 kms (19 miles) from the Turkish border.
“The tanks are now at the Infantry School. They’re either preparing to move to the border to counter the Turkish deployment or attack the rebellious (Syrian) towns and villages in and around the border zone north of Aleppo,” Sheikh told Reuters by telephone from the border…
Now, using the same Salt Shaker with that last article, DebkaFile reports…
Saudis forces mass on Jordanian, Iraqi borders. Turkey, Syria reinforce strength
…”(H)eavy Saudi troop movements (headed) toward the Jordanian and Iraqi borders (with Syria) overnight and up until Friday morning….after King Abdulah put the Saudi military on high alert for joining an anti-Assad offensive….”
Units include tanks, missiles, special forces and anti-air batteries. Two units were deployed. “One will safeguard Jordan’s King Abdullah against potential Syrian or Iranian reprisals from Syria or Iraq.”
“The second will cut north through Jordan to enter southeastern Syrian, where a security zone will be established around the towns of Deraa, Deir al-Zour and Abu Kemal — all centers of the anti-Assad rebellion.” {…}
The failure of (US/Russian) talks “would spell a worsening of the Syrian crisis and precipitate Western-Arab military intervention, which according to military sources in the Gulf is scheduled for launch Saturday, June 30.”
DF also said that Western forces reported Jordan “on war alert.”
Now, straight from the horse’s mouth…
…Libya’s model isn’t “a solution to be copied because it took (the country) from one situation into a much worse one. We all now see how the Libyan people are paying the price,” he (Assad) said.
“The policies of the Turkish officials lead to the killing and bloodshed of the Syrian people,” he added.
He said reports about Iranian and Hezbollah forces aiding Syria are false.
“This is a joke that we hear many times in order to show that a rift has been created within the army and that therefore there is not an army.”
Pointing fingers at Washington, he said:
“The colonialist nature of the West has not changed. From the colonialist standpoint, regional countries should not move according to their national interests and if any country moves against their (Western) values and interests, they say no, like what happened in the case of Iran’s nuclear program.”
“Western states are opposed to Iran’s access to nuclear knowhow; they are more fearful of Iran’s expertise in the nuclear field than what they claim to be a nuclear bomb.”
He also called insurgents “gangs of mercenaries and criminals.” Outside forces are directing them.
For them and their sponsors, “reforms are not important, since the very forces that claimed (a lack of) reforms were the problem. They never benefited from them…all they wanted was (continued) unrest.”…
Phyllis Bennis largely agrees with Assad’s assertions…
Syria is not Libya: it will not implode, it will explode beyond its borders
Probably the only useful thing outside powers can do, would be to engage in serious new diplomacy, in which supporters of both the regime and the armed opposition participate.Fifteen months on, the short Syrian spring of 2011 has long since morphed into a harsh winter of discontent. Syria is close to full-scale civil war.
If the conflict escalates further, it will have ramifications far outside the country itself. As former UN Secretary-General and current envoy of both the UN and the Arab League Kofi Annan put it, “’Syria is not Libya, it will not implode, it will explode beyond its borders.”
Like so many other times before, the human cost of this conflict is incalculably high. It’s not surprising that the normal human reaction is “we’ve got to do something!” But exactly what any army or air force might do that would actually help the situation isn’t very clear.
US/NATO military intervention didn’t bring stability, democracy or security to Libya, and it certainly is not going to do so in Syria…
Now, Russia isn’t about to be fooled by a second UN Security Council R2P fiasco, and this CSM article spells it out in a relatively decent fashion, despite all it’s Western biased strawmen…
What is Russia thinking on Syria?
…In Syria, they argue, Western nations are pursuing their own geopolitical interests under the guise of a humanitarian “right to protect” which supposedly trumps the country’s sovereignty. Moscow sees it as its duty to block such attempts. {…}
…Speaking to an audience of students in Copenhagen today, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton upped the criticism of Russia, saying, “I have been telling (the Russians) their policy is going to help contribute to a civil war” in Syria.
But today Putin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, responded emphatically that Russian policy toward Syria will not change under duress. Russia’s position is “well-known, balanced and consistent, and completely logical,” Mr. Peskov told the independent Interfax news agency. “So it is hardly appropriate to talk about this position changing under someone’s pressure.” {…}
…Russian analysts argue that any violation of national sovereignty is a form of neoimperialism which, even if packaged as a humanitarian intervention, tends to be wrapped up with the geopolitical interests of the intervening powers and seldom leads to better humanitarian outcomes. They cite most of the wars of the past decade, from Kosovo to Iraq to last year’s NATO intervention in Libya (which Russia acquiesced to in the Security Council) to make their point.
“We were told that military interference in Libya would be limited to protecting civilians, but we were deceived, pushed aside once we’d let it get through the Security Council,” says Pavel Gusterin, an Arab specialist with the official Institute of Oriental Studies in Moscow. “Why would we let them do this again?”
Just to be sure, it’s already out of Russia’s and the UN’s hands…
Syria Rebels Increasingly Violent, Thanks to Foreign Arms
…The opposition is still a disparate, rag tag group of localized militias with conflicting agendas and many of whom are Sunni extremists or have ties to al-Qaeda. They are increasingly to blame for massacres of civilians as well. Nothing has changed, except that the weapons being funneled to them by the US, European Union, Turkey, and the Gulf Arab states are being put to use.
But none of this bodes well for an end to violence in the country. Foreign meddling on behalf of all sides in Syria has been instrumental in prolonging the conflict by emboldening both sides and making a political settlement more remote.
“The intensity of the divisions in the country, the external environment in which sides are providing arms to both of the contending parties—all of that suggests that the situation’s going to continue to deteriorate,” James Dobbins, director of the RAND International Security and Defense Policy Center and a former US assistant secretary of state, told NPR…
Now, to be clear on our Persian fantasies…
Our obsession with Iran obscures the bigger threat
It is funny what people choose to worry about. The west is obsessed with stopping Iran getting nuclear weapons. By contrast, Pakistan’s nuclear programme is not much discussed. And yet, by any sensible measure, Pakistani nukes are much more worrying.
Start with the obvious: Pakistan already has nuclear weapons – probably more than 100 of them – and is thought to be increasing production. Iran has still to assemble a single nuclear weapon. The prospect of an Iranian bomb is said to be unthinkably dangerous because of the country’s connections to terrorist groups, its hostility to the west and Israel, the risk it will spread nuclear technology and the prospect of a regional arms race. And yet, almost all these considerations apply even more forcibly to Pakistan. {…}
…Yet it is Iran’s non-existent nukes that continue to obsess the west. Diplomats have spent so long trying to stop Iran that I get the impression they no longer even ask themselves why it is such a high priority. Press them, and you will get explanations about the dangers of a Middle Eastern arms race and Iran’s regional ambitions.
Interestingly, few seem to take seriously the idea that Israel often evokes – that Iran might actually commit nuclear genocide.
Western concerns are valid. But, in themselves, they do not seem compelling enough to explain the desperate focus on Iran. The main reason the Iranian dossier is so urgent seems to be the fear that Israel will soon attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, provoking a wider war. American and European diplomats are reluctant to put it quite that directly, since this carries the uncomfortable implication that western policy is driven by Israel. But when people say “time is running out” over Iran, it is the prospect of an Israeli attack they are usually thinking about…
Are you surprised…?
AIPAC and Syrian intervention lobby
I have it on good authority that something called Syrian Emergency Task Force in Washington, DC is enlisting the help of AIPAC to lobby the US government for military intervention in Syria.
*gah*



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Outstanding reporting on the complexity of the situation in Syria. Assad seems to be walking toward regional war (or threatening to) in a last apres moi, le deluge gambit. Interesting that it was on PressTV.
An Apology to the Aligned is a good statement of someone who is next door to this chaos.
The RT interview seemed very neo-con in orientation – fear, fear, fear – who lost
Chinathe Middle East. If Obama gets stampeded by this, expect loyalty oaths and doubling down on national security institutions. Exactly the wrong direction although politically safe. Obama looks more and more like Truman.It is maddening to think, CTuttle, of all those thousand and thousands of little children who are stuck, utterly stuck and defenseless, in terrible fear as the world’s powers conduct moves and counter-moves, speak of peace and assemble for war.
Gah, indeed.
It’s not just the great powers that those children are at the mercy of.
Huh? You gonna hafta ‘splain that one a little more. Me no unnerstan.
Truman had little experience in foreign affairs and national security when he was thrust into making the decision about whether to use the Bomb. Obama has had the same experience in dealing with Afghanistan and Pakistan and has been thrust into making decisions about the use of drones because Congress closed off the use of US courts.
Truman by using nuclear weapons opened a period of instability and an arms race. Using nuclear weapons also created the environment in which the President seized more and more power because his finger was on “the button”. Obama’s use of drones has had the same effects.
Conservatives are ramping up to spin the Arab Spring as a victory for al Quaeda and to portray the Occupy movement as a fifth column. Republicans in 1946 conducted a Red Scare that caused Truman to institute loyalty oaths and continue the national security state that was put together for World War II. Obama has expanded the national security state that he inherited from George W. Bush even as we wind down in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Those are the biggies among the similarities. Aside from claiming the buck stopped with them and then knuckling under to political pressures.
…Conservatives are ramping up to spin the Arab Spring as a victory for al Quaeda and to portray the Occupy movement as a fifth column…
Exactly, Tarheel, and they’re the miserable cretins steering the entire DHS/Intel/MIC/Local Law Enforcement/Ship of State apparatchik these daze…! 8-(
Russia’s jacked this up so bad it’s not even funny (if one assumes we care about death and carnage). The Syrians have already seen more killing than Libya did throughout the entire lead-up and revolution. And there really aren’t many options beyond watching Russian and Iranian military might (nominally fronted by Assad) decimate a population … and watching the Sunni Arab states pouring everything they can into the battlefield to try and stop it. Every death is the responsibility of Russia – just as the carnage in Iraq was ours. Seems Russia is determined to create a new Afghanistan for themselves.
IMO, it increasingly looks like there is agreement between the West and Russia that the best response to the current economic down-turn is a military hot-up. What the planet is dealing with are the machinations of ubiquitously evil powers that be – there is no such thing as a force for good among the current global leadership.
Why is it surprising Assad is on Iranian TV trying to shore up (likely wavering) public opinion for one of his crucial allies?
Thing with Syria and regional war. They don’t have the military strength to actually participate in such a thing. Turkey alone could swamp every asset they have on the land, sea and air several times over – before the erosion of Syria’s military control.
Lebanon might implode with internal instability. Iraq likely won’t (any more than currently). Neither will Jordan. Neither will Turkey. I’m not seeing who’s going to fight in this wider regional war exactly – unless maybe Iran thinks that attacking (what Turkey? … maybe Iraq?) could happen without providing pretext for NATO to directly engage.
I don’t see how such assertions end up being anything but a nonsense bluff to buy Russia more time to pour weapons into the hands of Assad … weapons, ironically, that are the heart of current regional instability.
Recommended.
Well, sure. But that was never the objective of intervention in Libya. The purpose of intervention in Libya was to prevent the state from utilizing heavy armor and air-power to destroy the populations of cities who were disloyal to Qaddafi. That’s it.
I imagine the 500,000-odd citizens of Bengazi who watched as tanks rolled into their suburbs and started attacking are pretty stoked someone stepped in and prevented Qaddafi from turning their reality into that of the people of Homs.
Libyans have to build their society from the fractured condition 40-odd years under authoritarian rule inevitably left it. And they have to do it for themselves. It would not have been appropriate (or successful) for the West to impose some neoliberal “democracy in a box” on them.
IMO, this is a bullshit and intellectually dishonest yardstick against which to measure the events in Libya.
Well said.
While the conservative claims of 911 terrorists are running things is nonsense, there does appear that at least one of the 5 folks in Syria that we have moving guns into the country is using a fellow with ties to those 911 folks. But no one ever said our CIA had a brain. And I guess the CIA had no other counter to the very real Hez /Iranian help our tall but little dictator is receiving.
but this neo-colonial nonsense is as bad as the conservatives line – we have a Shia sect that is lead by the son of a fellow who killed ten’s of thousands of Sunni in order to keep his position – and now the son is doing the same but with more dead and cell phone video. On the other side Army deserters are now helping the Sunni population. But real change must often come from blood and guns, as history teaches us.
I am confused as where the OP wants us to go – do we cheer the Sunni victims of a murderous shia dictator, or do we cheer a murderous dictator resisting “outside” countries that claim a right to rule includes a promise to not harm the population you rule, claiming those outside countries are controlled by the West or are part of the West??????
I agree, and I don’t think I said that they are. Thnx.
…Every death is the responsibility of Russia – just as the carnage in Iraq was ours. Seems Russia is determined to create a new Afghanistan for themselves…
Bull Honky, kgb…! You’re way off base on all that rubbish you’re peddling…! 8-(
Libya: the ongoing disaster…
…do we cheer the Sunni victims of a murderous shia dictator, or do we cheer a murderous dictator resisting “outside” countries that claim a right to rule includes a promise to not harm the population you rule, claiming those outside countries are controlled by the West or are part of the West??????
*gah* C’mon, papau…! Get real, what do you think will happen if they do in fact unseat Assad…? Roll out that very same ‘Govt-in-a-Box’ that was such a smashing success in Iraq, Libya…? 8-(
Maybe more war is exactly what’s needed over there. Men have been settling disputes via war since we became homosapiens. Since 1945, the USA has been able to muster a shaky “peace” in the region with its money and political power. Now, the money and power are subsiding, thanks to American hubris (something the Bush administration hastened). Today, the people of the Middle East are no longer afraid. Let them build their destiny without the ugly American babysitter dictating the outcome.
When Syria explodes it will make the current set of crises look like a gentle ramble in your back garden Ctut.
America and Israel are busy escalating and we are now in the situation where with or without Assad open outsider intervention is becoming very likely. If that happens I see little possibility of containing the violence within Syria’s borders.
It will be far worse than the cross-border fallout that resulted from Qhadaffi’s overthrow you will it spread and you will see all political power and every current border up for grabs.
For myself I suspect that we have now reached the point where a durable resolution will result only if the parties to the various conlficts are left, literally, to fight it out.
mfi
I didn’t say it was surprising. I said it was interesting. It was interesting that he chose that medium to deliver what was in essence a public diplomatic message to NATO. He is involving, putatively or actually, Iran as an ally.
I think that your analysis for buying time for Russia to provide more arms is correct. Assad wants a relationship with Russia like Israel’s relationship with the US. He wants the Russian nuclear shield and assurances that Russia will respond to an attack on Syria.
You analysis of the relative strength of Syria’s armed forces is also correct. But leaders have made irrational mistakes before, thinking they could win through will alone. (Easier done defensively than offensively).
I would not assume agreement between the West and Russia. Each is perfectly capable of ginning up a military crisis on their own for their own reasons.
But I do think that the older military staff in the US and Russia long for the more certain and “stable” environment of the Cold War’s strategy of mutually assured destruction. And proxy wars.
The government-in-a-box is not going to be rolled out in Syria. There are too many social and cultural cleavages, unlike Libya. And the civil war is going to be much more intractable than that of Yugoslavia. Syrians likely will have to settle this one themselves. It will be all outside powers can do to contain the civil war within Syria.
I would suspend judgement about Libya until after the elections on July 7. There is no evidence that NATO has tried to roll out a government-in-a-box like they did in Afghanistan. Whatever happens on July 7 will be homegrown. Gadhafi trained Libyans in the rhetoric of democracy and operated Potemkin councils to maintain power, but governed as a tyrant with multiple security services checking on each other. It is that rhetoric from the nationalist overthrow of King Idris that a lot of Libyans will be trying to turn into self-govering reality. There is a deep sense that Gadhafi stole their revolution. And especially in Misrata, where Gadhafi’s support started.
I would argue that self-determination does not necessarily require warfare.
Evidence? The archaelogical, anthropological, and pre-history literature is all over the place on this issue. One area of agreement is that agricultural civilizations dramatically increased the scale and ferocity of organized warfare.
By all reports, Israel very much likes the stability that Assad brought to that border, disputes about the Golan Heights notwithstanding.
And if the US is escalating, it is likely to backfire before November. That in itself argues that the US is likely trying to contain the situation until next year. Or to contain it altogether.
Superb, insightful comment, TD.
Thank you, CTut, as always, for the clarity you bring to intentionally “confusing” political bullshit, all teetering on the brink of unimaginable disaster and consequence.
DW
Yes, TD, once settlement agriculture allowed the confiscation or “liberation” of the common wealth, then “leadership” could call upon tribal identities to bolster fear of “the other” … the rest, as they say, is history.
It need not have been that way and it does not NEED to be that way, today … and, except for the “dreams” of sociopaths and psychopaths it would not have been and need not “be” …
DW
Syrian tanks amass near Turkish border: FSA general
A general in the rebel Free Syria Army said on Friday that Syrian government forces had amassed around 170 tanks north of the city Aleppo, near the Turkish border, but there was no independent confirmation of the report.
WTF are they insane? The Saudis seem to be sending in troops to help carve up Syria but what happens if the Turks move on Syria will the Saudis let non Arabs rule an Arab country?
The Saudis are on high alert for an Iranian response but honestly against Iran what can they do?
Russia seems almost willing to make a stand in Syria I believe they got a Naval base there. A Russian, Turkish fight with the Saudis, Iranians, America, Israel etc all ready to jump in could start WW3.
Who are all the players? What do they want? What have they done in the past to get what they want? What are they likely to do new in the future to get what they want? What is the difference between what they say they want and what they actually want?
The lies and stuff they don’t talk about to their own people and other nations is often telling.
Do you really think so I would have thought the NeoCons would not want Obama to be a war President during a Presidential election.
This suggests that things are out of control Best case scenario low probability Obama gets us involved and Syria falls right before or after the Presidential election.
Who takes over after that no idea.
The more likely scenario is that other countries get involved Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia.
If Russia gets involved then we risk American troops fighting Russian troops.
Preventing WW3 becomes the Left’s top job.
Obama will have to wait until after the election to move on us but if he does move on us before the election then we know that Obama is willing to risk his Presidency for this war and very important people are making him.
Take both those reports with a grain of salt until other reports come in. There is an information war going on as well.
I’m not sure that things are out of control—yet. Folks are still negotiating after all.
And although there are geopolitical conflicts going on underneath, the game is not US v Russia but NATO v Shanghai Cooperation Organization (IOW, Asia). If this situation freezes those two into and unbridgeable conflict, we are in a new international environment.
I don’t think that the US is itching for war, and if the neo-cons are following the Israeli lead they are probably hoping of Assad to be able to stabilize Syria–which would likely require doing nothing while Russia supplies the arms for Assad to put down the rebellion.
I read Turkey as not wanting to get involved beyond providing a safe haven for refugees and a meeting place of the Syrian political opposition. At a minimum, the Saudis are interested in the conflict not spilling over into Jordan, where refugrees are also seeking sanctuary and Syrian troops would like the ability of hot pursuit of rebel forces.
Preventing World War 3 has been the Left’s top job for 66 years.
I don’t think war helps Obama because it is an intervention likely to go awry. I don’t see him rushing down that road at all.
Aloha, Gor…! I hope all is well with the family…! My munchkin is almost walking now…! *g*
I think the biggest X-factor in this miasma is what the Kurds will do, and, I’m disturbed with this report… Kurds to participate in Syrian opposition conference in Cairo
Any thoughts on the Kurdish situation…?
…with a grain of salt…
*heh* I did mention a shaker or two…!
Some updates…
After the US had to back down from their screams for Assad’s scalp, today… World leaders agree Syria power deal… Despite the ‘weakened’ demands, Shrillary said she’ll present it at the UN…!
However, Houston we have a problem… Syria rebels: ‘There is no peace and there is no plan’
As the international community meets to discuss diplomacy, Bashar al-Assad’s opponents talk of all-out struggle
*gah*
The first report is just diplomatic papering over and another round of doing nothing. Good.
The second report is sourced from folks who might not be at the negotiating table on the part of the rebels if ever there is real negotiation.
Situation continues as before until there is more “outrage” in diplomatic circles at the carnage that is going on.
But Russia has moved to wanting a transition out of the mess, although they have not yet abandoned Assad. Compare with the evolution of Obama’s policy wrt Mubarak in January 2011. I do think after this round the diplomatic community is aware that they’ve got a situation that could explode if it is not handled carefully. They really are de-escalating the rhetoric at this point. Of course it will be presented at the UN. Agreement of the UN Security Council is the biggest stick around, even if it is only agreement to send a sternly worded letter. After Libya, movement of China and Russia to support a UN Security Council resolution is a signal that someone like Assad should pay attention. And at least go through the motions. We’ll see.
Meanwhile the killing continues and the flight of refugees continue, putting pressure on Lebanon, Jordan, and Turkey (and maybe Iraq as well).
The Kurds are bargaining. It is not clear what for from the article, but it doesn’t seem they are quite to the point of asking for semi-autonomy in the style of the Iraqi Kurds. And no doubt Turkey is worried.
I disagree with all the hype that Russia(and/or China) are abandoning Assad… No sign of Russia ditching Syrian Ally…
Turkey has the largest contingent of Kurds, followed by Iraq, Iran, and then Syria…! The Kurds are the largest ethnicity without a country, you can thank the Brits for that with their arbitrary lines drawn in the sands…! 8-(
I do too at the moment. But he is not indispensible to Russian and Chinese interests in Syria.
That presumes a system of ethnic-majority nation states, which was what the 19th century was about. The 20th century turned out to be about decolonization and a lot of multi-ethnic states do very well. The problem in Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and Syria is that historically and presently there has been systematic discrimination against the Kurds. It might be that ethnic tensions are such that only an independent Kurdish state can bring justice. But it is also true that Kurdish nationalism has been a tool of competing oppotunists without having clear leadership.