Folks, it’s a full court press on Syria’s wmds, here’s Bibi’s latest lies…
Israel would “have to act” if the Syrian regime collapses and there’s a risk Syria’s chemical weapons and missiles could fall into the hands of militant groups, Israel’s prime minister warned Sunday… {…}
…Netanyahu said preventing Syria’s weapons from falling into the wrong hands is key to Israeli security.
“Could you imagine Hezbollah, the people who are conducting with Iran all these terror attacks around the world — could you imagine them having chemical weapons? It would be like al-Qaida having chemical weapons,” he said. “It’s something that is not acceptable to us, not acceptable to the United States and to any peaceable country in the world.”
“So I think that this is something we’ll have to act to stop if the need arises. And the need might arise if there’s a regime collapse, but not a regime change,” he said.
When asked whether Israel was prepared to act alone, Netanyahu said Syria’s stockpile was a “common concern” and that “we’d have to see if there was a common action to address that concern.”
The CSM had the fairest headline of the Lame Stream media with: Syria holds out threat of chemical weapons against ‘exterior aggression’
The embattled Assad regime pledges not to use chemical weapons against Syrian civilians ‘no matter how the crisis evolves,’ but leaves the option open against foreign powers who intervene in Syria.
Btw, this one was the worst of the lot… Syria threatens attacks on any foreign force
I suppose they’re supposed to greet the IDF with warm embraces and kisses, eh…?
Here’s Syria’s FM Maqdisi’s actual response…
Now, check out the written testimony of the Heritage Foundation’s Steven Bucci, to the Committee on Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Terrorism, Nonproliferation, and Trade, held Friday July 19th…
Maintaining Situational Awareness
Syria’s Baathist dictatorship developed and stockpiled a lethal arsenal of chemical weapons including blister agents such as mustard gas and even more dangerous nerve agents (VX and Sarin), according to chemical weapons experts.[1] These chemical munitions can be delivered by artillery, rocket launchers, Scud ballistic missiles, and aircraft. Damascus also cooperated with North Korea (and probably Iran) to develop a covert nuclear program, which Israel partially destroyed in a 2007 air strike.[2] Radioactive materials from this program could become ingredients for a “dirty bomb” if they fall into the hands of terrorists.
While little is known about the status of Syria’s nuclear facilities, U.S. officials believe that there are at least 50 chemical weapon production and storage facilities inside Syria.[3] In February of this year,. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper testified before Congress that the Syrian regime has maintained security at these sites, many of which are located in rural areas away from the urban areas that have seen the bulk of the fighting. Pentagon officials reportedly assess that the regime has shown no sign that it is considering the use of chemical weapons, nor has it relaxed its guard over WMD assets, which are the crown jewels of the regime’s arsenal.[4]
As the situation inside Syria deteriorates, however, there is a growing possibility that the regime could lose control over facilities as its chain of command breaks down and weapons or dangerous materials fall into the hands of defectors, looters, various rival opposition groups, or terrorists.
Those initially at risk would probably be local populations exposed to the haphazard handling of hazardous materials. The most significant danger for the U.S. and its allies is that these materials might be removed from the country and fashioned into improvised explosive devices in the United States, Israel, Afghanistan, or elsewhere. Many believe that would require a degree of organization and infrastructure normally found in a nation-state, but some non-state actors could also leverage these materials. Iran already has the means and capability to do this, using Revolutionary Guards from the Quds Force or Hezbollah, its Lebanese terrorist surrogate. Al-Qaeda, which has a front inside Syria, and an expressed interest in conducting these kinds of attacks, could seek materials in Syria as well.
This threat is not analogous to concerns during the run-up to the Iraq War. Then, the primary concern was that Saddam Hussein’s regime would use weapons against another country or deliberately transfer them to a terrorist group. Further, it was suspected at the time that Iraq might have far greater WMD capabilities and means to employ them than Syria currently has. The Syrian threat is different, and the U.S. response needs to be calculated according to a different set of risks and U.S. interests. Here, the principal danger is that the regime might lose control of materials and that they could find their way to terrorists if the regime were to collapse.
The potential worst-case scenario is more like that which occurred in Libya, where the Qadhafi regime lost control of mustard gas supplies and huge stockpiles of modern weapons. While the mustard gas, stored in bulk containers, reportedly was secured, large numbers of arms, including Man-Portable Air Defense Systems (MANPADS), were seized by many different groups. Some reportedly may have been smuggled out of the country and could pose a threat to civil aviation.[5]
Can you find all the Neo/Ziocon half-truths and outright lies in that clap-trap, and did you notice the admission of failure in Libya…?
Now, to add further fuel to the fire, here’s Foggy Bottom’s Victoria Nuland at today’s(Mon. Jul 23rd) presser, and, straight out of the gate the Syrian WMD lies were questioned…
QUESTION: Can we start with Syria? What do you make of this threat to possibly use chemical weapons in the event of a foreign attack?
MS. NULAND: I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Are you referring to –
QUESTION: Syrian –
MS. NULAND: — some of the Foreign Minister’s statements or –
QUESTION: I think it was the Foreign Ministry, yes.
MS. NULAND: Well, I mean, one can read that one way or another. I think we’ve been absolutely clear where we stand on this issue, which is that any possible use of these kinds of weapons would be completely unacceptable. We’ve been making our position clear for many, many days now, and we’ve also been working with all of our allies and partners to monitor the situation, to compare information, and to send the same messages.
QUESTION: Have you had any interaction directly with the Syrian Government pertaining to this issue?
MS. NULAND: I think there is no question that the Syrian Government knows where we stand. We’ve been absolutely clear, including out of the President’s mouth recently.
QUESTION: But have you – have officials spoken from this government with that government regarding this issue?
MS. NULAND: To my knowledge we’ve not had those contacts, but they are not necessary in this case, because we’ve been absolutely clear publicly.
QUESTION: And just lastly, because last week there were statements by various officials stressing the need for Syria’s authorities to safeguard whatever they have, have you spoken with the opposition as well regarding this and maybe stress to them the need not to go after these things?
MS. NULAND: Absolutely. The warnings that we have given with regard to responsibility to safeguard this kind of absolutely horrific and dangerous weapon have been made to regime, to opposition, to anybody who might get their hands on them.
QUESTION: Just on that last point, are those warnings – particularly to the opposition, since I gather your direct communication with the regime is slim to none – but particularly with the opposition, have those warnings been increased in the last week, say, since the bombing that killed the three security aides and the situation became more unstable there?
MS. NULAND: Look, we’ve been absolutely clear with all parties in Syria, outside of Syria, how we feel about the importance of safeguarding these weapons. I don’t think there can be any question of that.
QUESTION: But I’m asking about specific messages to the opposition in the last week.
She promptly moved onto the next question, please read the transcript or watch/listen to the 45 min. presser…
Now, As I’d noted way back in May about Eager Lion…
The generals addressed topics ranging from the number of countries participating to the exercise’s focus on irregular warfare.
They also clarified that the exercise has no connection with any real-world events, including the unrest in Syria.
“This exercise does not target anyone – none of the neighboring or world countries,” Edwan said.
To be sure, as Barbara Starr breathlessly reported at the time…
…The exercise is part of the overall U.S. military strategy to support Jordan as that country grows increasingly concerned about the unrest across its northern border with Syria. Jordanian officials are especially concerned about the potential for Syria to forces tens of thousands of its Palestinian refugees into Jordan, as well as Syrians escaping the fighting.
There is concern in a worst case scenario that the Syrian regime could lose control of some of its chemical or biological weapons stocks and they could somehow illicitly come into Jordan.
So a major portion of the exercise will also be devoted to training together on dealing with refugee flows and managing a chemical or biological weapons crisis.
But publicly, Jordanian officials say the exercise is not about their neighbor to the north.
“This has nothing to do with Syria. We respect the sovereignty of Syria. There is no tension between the Syrians and us. Our objectives are clear.” Major General. Awni el-Edwan, Chief of staff of the Jordanian Operations and Training Armed Forces. “No forces will be deployed north of the 32nd parallel. The exercise is not connected to any real world event.”
Officials quietly acknowledge all U.S. military training in the region now could be useful in the event of action against Iran. But officials strongly say Eager Lion is not aimed at either country, only at “realistic threats” in the region as one Pentagon official described it to CNN…
*wink* *wink* *nod* Speaking of the real threat to the region… Bibi’s Twofer: Bulgaria Bombing Allows Him to Flay Hezbollah, Iran, Possibly Go to War
…Finally, let’s reiterate a message I’ve stated here countless times (and it was Arad’s too): terror isn’t born ex nihilo. It comes from a context. The context here is that Israel’s acts of vengeance (for example, its launch of all-out war against Leabanon in response to the death of several of her soldiers) have spurred retaliation from the other side. If the U.S. and/or Israel believe that their own acts of terror can bring Iran to heel or force it to do anything it refuses to do (like end its nuclear program), it will pay dearly for the presumption.
To be clear, this is not justification for Iranian or Hezbollah terror. It is a factual, realistic prognosis of what will happen if each side continues to believe it can bomb the other into submission. Blood is blood. It doesn’t matter if it’s Israeli or Iranian or Lebanese. If you shed their blood they’ll shed yours. Should we get to the point where we have to measure which side has the most blood to spare, and can thereby outlast the others? If that’s the case we might as well abandon our pretence of being a civilization and resort to primal wars of conquest and extermination of the sort recounted in the Old Testament. Or better yet, to quote Randy Newman, “Let’s drop the Big One now.”
One final article, from inside of Syria…Syria’s Bashar al-Assad: Not everyone’s villain



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For the socialists among us, here’s an article on the evolution of the post-WWII Syrian state and Assad’s neoliberalization so you can’t be taken by surprise by Pentagon propagandists like “donkeytale”.
Thank you for all that you do, CTuttle. I sleep well knowing Bibi won’t get away with any unpaid parking tickets, haw haw haw.
Funny you should mention Libya Ctut:
IPS – Human Rights Worse After Gaddafi | Inter Press Service:
Thank you, CTut.
Recommended.
Appreciation to Ludwig and to mark, as well.
DW
I think Bibi is blowing smoke. Even if he knows every place Syria is keeping their WMD (And he probably doesn’t), even if he knows exactly how they are protected (He probably doesn’t) and even if Obama agrees to help him (He won’t), how in the world will Bibi move enough forces to the proper points AT ROUGHLY THE SAME TIME to secure or destroy everything without a senior officer pushing buttons and launching rockets?
Boxturtle (If I’m a Syrian WMD controller, I launch as soon as I see the Star of David)
Here is the reality for Bibi. The IDF will have to completely cross Lebanon to get to the storage sites for Syria’s chemical weapons. And that means crossing Hezbollah-held territory. The last outing that the IDF had into Lebanon did not go as well as they thought it would, and they withdrew under conditions that allowed the IDF and Ariel Sharon to save face.
It is an idle threat. The delay in crossing Lebanon means that the weapons will be moved or already secured by one of the Syrian parties to the civil war by the time the IDF crosses into Lebanon.
And Assad’s threat of using chemical weapons against foreign invaders is another idle threat. The collateral damage to Syrian civilians (or if applied at the Israeli-Lebanese border to Hezbollah and Lebanese civilians) would be significant. It’s the same as if Israel threatened to use nukes on Syria; Israel proper would catch the fallout. And Syria does not have enough missiles to deliver chemical weapons against the Israeli civilian population, which if attempted would bring a massive Israeli response.
I think that this situation is so obvious that neither general staffs would contemplated actually delivering these threats.
In my view, Bibi’s statement is an attempt to stampede the US and its allies into taking efforts like the ones they took in Libya to secure the chemical weapons during the collapse of the regime of the collapse of the opposition.
Check your wind patterns. The only large Israeli city that could effect Syria is Tel Aviv and a hit there should disperse before it reaches Syria.
If Israel was to get dosed by Syria today, who fired the missles? Was it Assad’s orders, rebel action, or a personal decision by a Syrian Officer who used to live on the golan? Israel doesn’t know. Never mind HOW do you retailate, but against WHOM?
If Assad ordered a strike like that, it would be the end of Damascus. If Col. Abdul pushed the button, what would be the point?
This is why Israel is worried. Their deterrence is currently non-functional. Heck, Assad could order the strike while on his way to exile and watch damascus and the rebels burn from his plane.
Boxturtle (the IDF would not need nukes to send Syria back to the stone age)
Interesting post. Since I now better understand from where the hyperventilating paranoia on the Left originates, I’ll restrict my comment to Ludwig’s unhelpful personal attacks and especially his useful link which offers an accurate historical summation of why Assad is an enemy of the working class and why leftists should be supporting the downful of neoliberal regimes, even if we lack the courage to undertake the necessray sacrifice to do so in the US.
I’ll also reiterate that anyone who bases their reaction to the Syrian crisis entirely on Syrian propaganda and the profusion of same through sympathetic ‘new’ media outlets such as RT (Russian owned!), Pepe Escobar (a laugh a minute) and WSWS.org, needs cold shower and the ability to look at the bigger picture than just narrow Anti-Americanism alone, which I admit tastes great.
But is decidedly less filling.
Read widely, please, and consider the inability to ascertain absolute truth of a any situation, but especially one which originates in a closed, authoritarian society should tend us towards caution based on single memes pushed relentlessly like a sledgehammer.
Ludwig himself is merely personalising and self-aggrandising like any run-of-the-mill troll, albeit in an inelegant manner. Sorry, dude. There are thousands where you are coming from. Over the years as I’ve said my piece polemically and with more than a dash of contrarianism, I’ve dealt with troll cavaiar compared to the fish bait you continue put on display. Besides all that, its beside whatever point the blogger who created this thread and in fact even you wish to make.
But thanks indeed for the excellent link, one that speaks volumes where you yourself can only squeek as a pip.
If you are really payng attention to these trends, you will see that the revolt in Syria does have a class basis (although obscured in the Middle east most assuredly by the historically antagonistic religious sectarianism amnd tribalism), it is indigenous, and that conditions worldwide approximate these conditions similarly across many diverse societies, includng the US, China, Russia and Europe, varying of course in degree of inequality, local-specific cultural factors and overall wealth.
Still, the lessons of Syria for the outside observer who seeks a clas basis for worldwide struggle should not be obscured into something else entirely from what it really is: the historical passing of a dead postwar world order that is crumblng everywhere the people have the courage to rise up and take it apart.
Keep banging on that same ol drum of pseudo-leftism and the US/West left will continue falling into rabbit holes self-marginalise and remain ineffectual rather than seriously confronting our own society’s descent into neoliberal systemic repression and inequality at the hands of the same global capitalist forces that control the declining economic conditions across the capitalist world, that also includes Russia, China, Iran, Libya and Syria, too.
Bibi seems desperate for a win any kind of win at war whats the political situation in Israel he seems desperate to wag the dog.
Here’s a list of the Syrian Opposition…
ADO Assyrian Democratic Organization (Assyrian-Christian party) (DD, SNC)
AKP Justice and Development Party (Turkey’s governing Islamist party)
ASM Arab Socialist Movement (socialist party) (NDA, DD, NCB, other faction: NPF)
CAP Communist Action Party (Marxist group) (NDA, TYM and NCB)
BSS Building the Syrian State (reformist opposition group)
DASU Democratic Arab Socialist Union (Arab Nationalist group) (NDA, NCB)
DBASP Democratic Baath Arab Socialist Party (leftist Baath splinter) (NDA, NCB)
DD Damascus Declaration (opposition coalition) (SNC)
FSA Free Syrian Army (armed anti-regime militia) (treaty with SNC)
HCRS Higher Council for the Syrian Revolution (tansiqiya alliance) (SNC)
KDP Kurdistan Democratic Party (Iraqi-Kurdish group)
KNC Kurdish National Council (main Syrian-Kurdish alliance)
LCC Local Coordination Committees (tansiqiya alliance) (SNC)
MB Muslim Brotherhood (Sunni Islamist group) (SNC)
MJD Movement for Justice and Development (Sunni Islamist group) (DD, SNC)
NCB National Coordinating Bureau (opposition coalition)
NCC National Change Current (liberal group) (close to SNC)
NDA National Democratic Assembly (opposition coalition)
NSF National Salvation Front (former coalition of Abdelhalim Khaddam)
NPF National Progressive Front (Assad’s ruling Baath Party-led coalition)
PFLC Popular Front for Liberation and Change (pro-regime ’opposition’coalition)
PKK Workers’Party of Kurdistan (Turkish-Kurdish group)
PPW Party of the Popular Will (leftist pro-regime ’opposition’) (PFLC)
PUK Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (Iraqi-Kurdish group)
PYD Democratic Union Party (Kurdish PKK offshoot in Syria) (NCB)
SCP Syrian Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist, two factions) (NPF)
SDP Syrian Democratic Platform (leftist group) (close to NCB)
SDPP Syrian Democratic People’s Party (socialist group) (NDA, DD, SNC)
SNC Syrian National Council (opposition coalition)
SNDB Syrian National Democratic Bloc (secular-nationalist group (SNC)
SRGC Syrian Revolution General Commission (tansiqiya alliance) (close to SNC)
SSNP Syrian Social Nationalist Party (pro-regime pan-Syrianist group) (NPF)
SSNP/i Syrian Social Nationalist Party/Intifada (’opposition’wing of SSNP) (PFLC)
TYM Marxist Left Assembly (Marxist opposition coalition) (NCB)
WRAP Workers’Revolutionary Arab Party (Marxist-nationalist group) (NDA, DD)
“donkeytale”:
My god, donkeytale, are you advocating revolution here? And simultaneously castigating leftists for their anti-imperialism?
Maybe you are a red-blooded burro, hmm?
You don’t know shit, donkeytale.
Great list.
Great accomplishment. DPRK able to watch olympics.
Huh?
German intelligence: al-Qaeda all over Syria…
I liked how Angry Arab described it…
… I am assured that the US has a full-proof system at hand. The CIA operatives ask the person in question: are you with Al-Qa`idah? If the person says no, he is told: take the weapons AND money and run. If he says yes, he is told: not good. Take the money and weapons and run but don’t use against us one day, ok?
Thanks for the link, mfi. I keep reading much the same from different sources, and am sometimes reminded that I’m too credulous, believe agitprop, and so forth. It may be true that I’m predisposed to believe these events: incarcerations and torture of sub-Saharan Africans, for instance. But I do.
Imagine that… I guess the Pentagon/CIA will have to invade Libya again and do some more R2P/Great Humanitarianism in and across Libya.
Getting rid of Gaddafi solved no problems but created more and likely more worse ones at that. At this point NATO stooges and their American puppetmasters should be seeing the insides of some jailcells up close and in real time. Not going to happen though. These days the WarCriminals don’t end up like the Japanese or German warcriminals did. They get re-elected,retire in splendid comfort.
American WarCriminals are Exceptional. Have been since before the days of the American Attack On Mexico back in the 1840′s. If humankind was/is lucky one day this state of affairs may change. Until then the Syrians,Libyans,Pakistanis,Yemenis,Bahrainis,Afghans and Iraqis get what they get while WasihngtonDC sends SoS Hillary “Hypocrisy” Clinton around the globe to preach what she most often has no intention of practicing. Here at FDL the R2P contigent was not hard to find and for those of us who predicted what was going to fall down hard on Libya and the Libyans being right was/is not anything to celebrate over.
The Big Pinata that is going to get hit hard until it breaks apart — Tehran and Iran — is still to come. WashingtonDC made a wreck of Iraq and at this point should be fully shamed by that debacle. Ain’t happening. Iran will be wrecked by the arrogant,ignorant over armed and under brained Americans come Hell or Worst Hell.
It would be some long overdue justice done and military/warmaking correction(s) made to see the Americans get handed their asses polished with the shit of WashingtonDC and Pentagon,CIA “good intentions” exceptionally well. Why? For having illegally attacked Iran for the Crime Of 1979 where the Iranians told the Americans to get out of Iran. Which is what this is all about. What Iran did to WashingtonDC in 1979. That was like the Native Americans stopping Manifest Destiny just east of the Rocky Mountains for WashingtonDC and WashingtonDC will not tolerate being thwarted in such ways. As it is Iran will likely take a hard beating and if lucky either Russia or China or both will draw a Big Red Line for WashingtonDC to Not Cross with Iran before the real war insanity gets warmed up.
Doing Evil should have consequences.It did for Imperial Japan and Nazi run Germany post WW2. Should as well have these days for American imperialists and militarists and war criminals and abusers of humankind then too. Starting with B.H.Obama,G.W.Bush,R.B.Cheney.
Stay with it CT. Thanks for doing what you do. Recommended.