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That, folks, is exactly why I Occupy…! And blog…!
‘The Shit is About to Hit the Fan’ |
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| By: CTuttle Tuesday October 2, 2012 4:00 pm | |
That, folks, is exactly why I Occupy…! And blog…!
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It is ‘total war‘ on Iran… Iran Blames Currency’s Fall on Rogue Traders, Sanctions…
This is as good and succinct an explanation as I’ve seen, thanks.
There are multiple games going on. The monetary one is only one of them.
My guess is that the decision-makers have the opinion that they are doing sanctions short of war. Avoiding war. And no doubt there are a lot of speculators along for the ride.
Only six weeks until we know whether there is heavy election politics going on with this pressure on Iran. Or whether it really is policy. Domestic politics does drive foreign policy everywhere. In the US it is the domination of the interests of the 1%.
And thank you for both Occupying and blogging.
The video is right about tactics. Regimes collapse when the public no longer considers them legitimate and no longer fears them (often because the police, security, and military agree with their civilian relatives). This is in fact what happened in Libya in the midst of other things.
This is interesting, just from an information war perspective.
Bashar al-Assad ‘betrayed Col Gaddafi to save his Syrian regime’
Libya was as much or more about Sarkozy and his refugee problem than any US motivation. There was no urgency in dealing with an alternative monetary system; the US could choose when to deal with it. But the Arab Spring triggering of opposition in Libya, Gadhafi’s response, and the flood of refugees to Malta, Italy, and France created a huge problem in Europe that could potentially have brought Marine La Pen to power.
It is fascinating, if true, that Bashar sought a “grace period”. To do what?
Natural Rights Foundation? Sorry comrade, the video only says what we’re fighting against and not what we’re fighting for.
I’d also point out that most A-merkins benefit from this extortion and murder and they’re kinda goin’ with the program. The masters have these people in their web.
Wonder what these survivalists intend to do with them.
I have no doubt what they say is true..up to a point. But I would be very careful of these (and others their ilk) as there does not seem to be much reference except in the extreme right.
The main reason I am suspicious of conspiracy these such as these is because not one so far has shown they have the intelligence or creativity to pull them off.
Simply because someone possesses a college or university degree does not imply they actually learned anything in the process.
I don’t agree with their ‘third phase’ they allude too, and that’s exactly why I choose to act now on the ‘second phase’ of Civil Disobedience, cmk…! *g*
Are you saying you don’t believe in petrodollars?
Personally in this situation I would not look to confrontation. Sabotage would be a better choice.
I believe I will get something to wet my whistle.
Honestly, cmk, what would you construe as a ‘conspiracy’ in that clip…? I’ve been steadily blogging about the fall of the Petrodollar, and, our entire misbegotten Foreign Policy for years now…! Nothing they cite is something I haven’t already cited before…! 8-(
I am not doubting that what they say has not happened. What I doubt is that any one person of group actually planned it that way from the get go.
More like taking advantage of situations as they come along. Far sightedness is NOT TPB’s strong suit.
I am not doubting that what they say has not happened. What I doubt is that any one person
ofor group actually planned it that way from the get go.More like taking advantage of situations as they come along. Far sightedness is NOT TPB’s strong suit.
*heh* I had to watch it three times in a row, just to see if I could catch any whiff of a ‘conspiracy theory’…! ;-)
And, I totally felt obligated to share it with ya’ll…! *g*
CTuttle–
Enjoyed video. Recommended.
Blue
As an ex-Combat Engineer Squad Leader, I could wreck some serious havoc, but, I absolutely refuse to do so, unless it is truly necessary…! 8-(
There were a few parts of the history that got missed. (1) The Bretton Woods conference that established the international use of gold to back internation trading; (2) the fact that domestic currency was “Silver Certificates” i.e backed with silver (silver dollars in fact) until the Nixon action turning them into Federal Reserve Notes. (3) the Petrodollar/Eurodollar bubble that drove the inflation of the 1970s and whose collapse is the subject of Martin Mayer’s book The Bankers or was it The Diplomats. (Both recommended btw if you can find them–they date from the 1980s.)
There are more cooks in the kitchen than the Federal Reserve.
As a 63 year old who has extensive experience in radio, electronics and computer networking – including physical infrastructure – so could I.
“You have a set of republican waiters on one side and democratic waiters on the other but the food all comes from the same Wall Street kitchen.” Huey Long
Tarheel, I do beg to differ on Libya, the MOTU’s didn’t like the fact that Qaddafi had established an African Development Bank, using $20 Billion of Libya’s gold reserve on deposit in the NYC Federal Reserve, two months later, the Cruise Missiles were flying and the $20 Billion was
disappeared‘confiscated’…! 8-(…There are more cooks in the kitchen than the Federal Reserve…
Great point, Tarheel…! The World Bank, the IMF, and, the EU, amongst others…! 8-(
To do what? I have no idea. It doesn’t make any sense. Why would Assad be worried about French pressure? Pressure in which form that would extract a concession from Assad? Military force? From Sarkozy, maybe, if the British and Americans backed him. From the new Socialist government which Assad damned well knew would probably come to power at the time of these events? Non.
I just don’t see even Machiavellian motivation for the scenario that your reference described. That’s not saying the Assad regime didn’t provide the French with Gaddafi’s cell phone number. Maybe the price was something personal.
Exile for at least family members when the balloon goes up in Damascus, maybe? And at least a few slots for a few regime loyalists and their families? For a reasonable monetary fee as well, of course, discounted due to that most valuable piece of information. Lots of soon-to-be-fleeing dictators have provided far greater favors than a phone number.
Umm…World Bank and the IMF are essentially….US.
Exactly, M’dear…! ;-)
Recommended.
I know some pretty dumbfounded people who think that way.
The Hidden Hand of American Hegemony: Petrodollar Recycling and International Markets (Cornell Studies in Political Economy)
I know of at least on college professor who does not buy any of this. So the only time the populace in general will begin to believe it is when bombs begin to drop their precious little heads.
I still stand by what I said. This country has a reputation of reacting to situations as the come up. It rarely plans much ahead.
It’s a nice thought, but goes against history.
At every Occupy Hilo sign waving event these daze, I’m always holding a ‘Don’t Iraq Iran’ sign…!
If we don’t wake up soon, we’re truly f*cked…! 8-(
Not a very sound footing on which to argue against the conspiracy of dollar hegemony. Course it’s not much of a conspiracy outside of A-merka.
Besides, comrade maukonen, aren’t you making excuses for how deeply corrupt A-merkin capitalism is?
Lately I’ve been inviting people to reconsider the lesson imbedded in the story of The Tower of Babel.
Cyber warfare could leave us all on a more or less end-less vacation.
You could wake up one morning, and find that more than half the world no longer knows who owes them money, how much, or what their phone number is for that matter.
It wouldn’t matter because the phones would not work either.
My favorite part of the Bible story?
This African Development Bank?
Gadhafi’s overthrow does not stop the African Monetary Union.
Libya holding huge gold reserves IMF data shows The figure is $6 billion. Yes, it’s the Beeb and yes, its just when the Libyan revolution was starting.
Moamer Kadhafi ‘sold 20% of Libya’s gold’ in regime’s final days 20% is not $20 billion.
And then there’s this from Tyler Durden:
The Fed’s Gold Is Being Audited… By The US Treasury
And this from Matt Taibbi:
Why is the Fed Bailing Out Qaddafi?
I don’t find any substantive information backing up the idea that Libya had $20 billion on deposit in New York or that it disappeared. If it was frozen, it likely has now been released to the current Libyan government.
Permanent interests can be pursued even through reactive actions. Neither foresight nor planning are required to maintain a hegemony.
Keep waving that sign. As I have said many times, domestic politics drives foreign policy. Right now is an opportune time when the general public is tired of war to call for sanity.
How’s about reading sources that were on the ‘ground’, Tarheel…?
Libya’s Blood for Oil: The Vampire War…
Another pertinent article…Gaddafi’s refusal of the World Bank, IMF, Western multinationals & AFRICOM: the real casus belli obscured by ‘humanitarian’ deceits…
That call has been ignored for so long that the American public no longer thinks it will be heeded. Most Americans are sick of the wars. Too many people know someone who at least knows someone who was either killed, wounded, or committed suicide after being sent to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan.
I sure do, and can names dozens of others who can say the same thing, and that’s just me.
Our foreign policy is insane. Not surprising. So is capitalism. Self-destructive behavior always is. That’s why it’s not evolutionarily viable.
HA….“Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.” Douglas Adams
Never said it was.
Apparently Gawd hadn’t learned about disinformation yet.
*heh* Why would Gawd deem it necessary, herr Comrade…? ;-)
My best friend down in Naples Florida was killed in Vietnam. I have never been to the memorial. It to me is an oxymoron.
Building a memorial to unnecessary death.
yes he had. It’s called The Bible and The Quran.
He was agreeing with you, comrade. You’re both missing the point though. They have long term strategy. They conspire. Even their “reactive” planning goes unanalyzed for decades.
No, y’all don’t have a handle on this monstrosity.
Fight climate change.
Tax the rich.
Love.
Makes the fools blame themselves, comrade, and not Gawd. Freud’s double nephew could’a told Gawd a thing or two.
On the ground in 2003 at the latest. And the argument over the NATO intervention being a war for oil is separate from whether Libya’s involvement in a monetary union was provocative. And also separate from whether Libya ever had $20 billion in gold.
The links to Global Research in Lindauer’s article no longer work. And Global Research has moved on to documenting Sarkozy’s involvement in the death of Gadhafi.
And I’m not sure what “US Asset” is supposed to mean. Former spook who is spilling the beans? Contractor who is an intelligence analyst and is using those skills to analyze events and publish online. The Lockerbie information makes a lot of sense. But the information about the Libyan Revolution refers to Global Research. The analysis is basically good; getting to the facts of 2011 is really the hard part. No fault to Lindauer.
The war for oil argument is not generally true because Libya had deals with major western oil companies, but it is a credible thought that one or two oil companies who felt left out wanted some government action. And the presence of folks in Cyrenaica on the ground a week after the start of the Libyan revolution seems to me to be just another example of the many agendas that were playing out around what was a spontaneous uprising.
Those were well after the fact, comrade.
Ya still have the Bhagavad Gita too, M’dear…! Ain’t it ironic that Krishna was a Son of Abraham, along with Buddha, Zoroaster, Bahá’u'lláh, etc…! ;-)
Here is the link for the Global research article.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/insurrection-and-military-intervention-the-us-nato-attempted-coup-d-etat-in-libya/
Dood, lest ya forget about Cyrenaica’s import… 2007 West Point Study Shows Benghazi-Darnah-Tobruk Area was a World Leader in Al Qaeda Suicide Bomber Recruitment…
hey…no knocking Gautama Buddha. ;-)
*heh* Ain’t Kharma a B*tch…? ;-)
LOL
How convenient, Comrade Tuttle. Is that something the Bab dreamed up?
Tsk, tsk, Comrade, The Bab was literally ‘The Gate’, the proverbial ‘John the Baptist’ of the Baha’is…! ;-)
It’s always interesting that I’m always defending Iran, when Iran has one of the worst track records on Bahai’s, but, the House of Saud has a very similar track record…! 8-(
I should also add that the Israelis are none-too-thrilled with our Mt. Carmel location…!
Yah. But we almost have video of the Bab, don’t we comrade? I think Bahullah wins the grand prize of last prophet.
So, I’m still wondering who dreamt up the idea that Zarathustra was a son of Abraham. Smells typically fishy, comrade.
Long after Zarathustra, comrade.
Uh huh.
Okay then, herr Comrade, they were all seriously mislead in their ways, eh…? ;-)
Come, come, comrade. There’s a backstory you’re ignoring.
Well then, spell it out, mi amigo…! The floor is yours…! ;-)
I can just Imagine, but, I do happen to take solace in the fact that Evil ones don’t advance in the universal Circle, and I do so hope that Dante was right…! ;-)
Same ole hasbara, comrade.
I don’t know the details and I haven’t researched it well. But seems to me the Bahai’s in Iran were suspect for political reasons as well as for religious usurpation.
The Evil ones rely on the belief they will be punished. Maybe Dante made a mistake.
…But seems to me the Bahai’s in Iran were suspect for political reasons as well as for religious usurpation…
Yeppers, we’re actively plotting the overthrow of the MOTU’s, everywhere even…! ;-)
Here’s some more education, comrade: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_accusations_against_the_Baha'i_Faith
Anyway, the article plays on naiveté regarding the political use of religious movements. A-merka has Israeli interests represented by “evangelicals”. These things happen. The article does not recognize a higher burden of disproof.
I have had about all I can take of descriptions of the problems.
I want to know if there is anything that, realistically, I we do.
The last bit should have said “I or we can do.”
The world is getting wise to our petrodollar scam. They’re forming more quasi-allegiances to trade their own currencies amongst themselves as a way to cercumvent the Amer-petrodollar.
If we lose world reserve status– here comes inflation– we’ll be privatized– banana-Republicanized. Its going to be an intense down-fall. I’m setting aside some extra bug-out money just in case it gets too freaky around here. Things are getting too freaky for me already.
Thanks, Rec’d
Yeppers, Complete World Domination is our foremost mission…! ;-)
…I want to know if there is anything that, realistically, I we do…
Yes, Occupy, or some other direct action…! I’m in the streets at least twice a month, and, in my County Council’s Chambers every other day or so…! ;-)
Look ya’ll, I have no axe to grind, nor agenda to push, I only strive to expose what’s truly happening behind closed doors, take everything that I cite/blog about with a shaker of Salt…! However, I do like to think that the vast majority of what I’ve reported over the years, here at the Lake, has turned out to be the real story…! *g*
I have one question about the video =- when did it originate. I seem to remember it being up over 60 days ago, or maybe that was an earlier version.
It says it was first published on 25 Sep. ’12, but, it would still be just as relevant if it was indeed published 60 days or so ago, elise…! *g*
Anybody who thinks that what the U.S. did in Libya was the same thing as the Bush/Cheny attack on Iraq loses all credibility as far as I’m concerned.
17 fighters per million people. Yeah, a real hotbed.
I already argued why the “capture oil reserves” story doesn’t wash. That was already a done deal under Gadhafi’s capitulation to Bush in exchange for the release of the accused Lockerbie bomber.
And I have argued that it was driven from France and Sarkozy’s immediate need not to have a refugee crisis there. By March 9, the date of the Global Research article, the refugee flow from Libya was already substantial and Italy and France were preventing refugees from going from Italy to France.
During the week of 3/9 to 3/17 was when the major diplomatic events that ended with the UN Security Council resolution were put in place. Units of Gadhafi’s military had already defected. Key diplomats had already defected. Two Libyan pilots had already defected to Malta after refusing to bomb their own people and testified to the EU. Gadhafi had already given his “rats” speech.
History is messy. It doesn’t fit a preset narrative and a lot of folks are trying to force the Libyan events into their preset narrative. Sure the major powers (including Russia and China) were gaming the situation to their advantage. But at base it was a spinoff of the Arab Spring at the beginning and for about two weeks.
Thanks CT for presenting the above video — you did not just show up last month around these parts and your credibility and integrity are well established. The shit has been hitting the fan a long time — since the end of WW2 when WashingtonDC decided it was going to rule the world. Stay with it CT. Recommended. With 75 comments is a reoommend even needed?… :-)
It would have been a far better idea in 1946 if WashingtonDC had decided to rule the USA better than it had for the prior 100 years.
Well one need not be a kollage grajuate to see what the video above elaborates upon aligns with knowable and known facts,history and deeds done by WashingtonDC since 1946. It was not Red China or Brazil or New Zealand doing what is described above and revealed in this video.
One could surmise the 1973 OPEC Oil Shortage was not detached from the manipulations of WashingtonDC as we were then led to think or believe back in 1973. With the $$ linked to global petro holdings and movements that compel the planet to be dealing in and with $$ to prop up American Empire this is not a “free market” then is it?
It is knowable Iraq was not invaded and subjugated by WashingtonDC back in early 2003 because Americans were interested in Iraqi sand and sun tourism potential(s). It is also knowable that what fell on Libya in 2011 was not about American Empire wanting to bring good things to the Libyan people. Despite all the polished propaganda about R2P,being a humanitarian empire and surely not wanting to do a CIA hit on Libya.
Not too difficult to see given what is going on/going down in Libya these days that 2011 Libya and 1953 Iran have CIA more than a little in common.
But lets be happy that we have a peace loving Democrat — Barack Obama — in the WH now doing the regime changes now as done in Libya by POTUS Obama and not a stinking Republican like G.W.Bush. It is so plain to see Barack Obama is not telling lies,not doing what G.W.Bush liked to do and surely Barack Obama just does not know about Bradley Manning or else Democrat President Barack Obama would be helping Bradley Manning and thanking Bradley Manning for showing some truths to USA and world.
It is being optimistic perhaps to imagine the Obama family gathering around the WH home computer and watching this video together. Since the First Family has some responsibility as the American First Family. It would seem if POTUS Obama can explain and justify this video’s reveal to the First Family then POTUS Obama could/can also then explain it to all American families. Not too much to request at this point before Iran is attacked by WashingtonDC is it? To request of a Nobel Peace Prize holding POTUS. A Democrat POTUS.
One can also imagine the Big Debates betwixt Barack Obama and Mitt Romney will not be orbiting around this video’s reveal. Far too much being truthful and forthcoming would be required but I just know Barack Obama is constrained by that nasty R Mitt Romney in this being so.
Well…it is a pretty safe bet Obama will be getting re-elected anyway. I am thankful too. Having a peaceful and lawful POTUS like Barack Obama who is A Good Democrat and not A Bad Repulican makes a world of difference to me. A Force for Good is what the Pentagon is selling itself as being these days. I just know Barack Obama will do what is right and not kill or murder anyone unless they have it coming. Because Barack Obama is A Good Democrat. God Bless Us.
Very true. However noble the original cause or intent, those in power will inevitably find a way to turn to their advantage.
“The shit is about to hit the fan”
Quick cut the cord.
As we try, eh.
Russ Baker put this piece up long ago. It made a lot of sense to me, but so do some competing theories.
I hunted for half an hour this morning for a piece I know I’d seen at Counterpunch not long ago (as if I have any sense of time). It had some other theories and takes of recent as well as pre-R2P events in Libya that fit the facts as I remembered them. But also some baffling praise for Hillary Clinton that hit some seriously sour notes in the piece.
Anyway, I don’t remember the author, but it seems to have been disappeared. He was writing from prison, I did google his name to see of what crimes he’d been convicted. If I can recall any of it, I’ll save it.
His name was Younus Abdullah Muhammad, and it seems he used to post at Dissident Voice.
Didn’t know that about the Brettonwoods Accord, but
certainly OIL has been made into a “national security issue”
on all counts by corrupted government.
The OIL industry has long controlled our Congress.
BP’s destructive drilling and pollution of the Gulf where
they were protected by Obama rather than having their assets
confiscated and let lawsuits fly makes that clear, as well.
True — the American government has been lying about the rate
of INFLATION since the Vietnam War.
As for these wars, as I understand it we’ve had a steady figure of
90% of the world being agaisnt these wars of aggression. Leaders at
the UN have identified the US as a “terrorist nation” in that regard.
80% of Americans and probably more stand firmly against these wars and
did so from the beginning. We simply have a government under the
control of criminals who are stonewalling the public.
Criminals continue to plan and we seem to continue to be naive about
what is going on. Capitalism is a criminal enterprise. Unregulated
capitalism is merely organized crime.
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Perhaps someone else can comment on this — ?
Additionally, from what I’ve read there was a feature of the
Brettonwoods Accords which also protected us from having
American dollars fly around the world – investing and gaining
interest elsewhere — while labor cannot as easily fly off.
We’ve seen this in the “trade” agreements which have simply
been treasonous exploitation of American workers who jobs who
have been moved oversease in order for businesses to exploit
and “harvest slave labor.”
This isn’t now — nor has it ever been – conspiracy-free America.
The very taking of this continent was based in a violent conspiracy
vs the native peoples and genocide.
Most of our wars of acquisition have been conspiracies.
You might also have missed this —
CHENEY ENERGY TASK FORCE DOCUMENTS FEATURE IRAQI OILFIELDS MAP
Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption and abuse, said today that documents turned over by the Commerce Department, under court order as a result of Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit concerning the activities of the Cheney Energy Task Force, contain a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as 2 charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts.” The documents, which are dated March 2001, are available on the Internet at: http://www.JudicialWatch.org .
http://www.judicialwatch.org/071703.b_PR.shtml
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph…
It even gets messy when they try to turn it to their intent. Just look at Iraq and Afghanistan. And the fate of President Sarkozy.