I assume folks have seen the news about the volcano in Iceland and how it has affected air travel worldwide due to concerns about the affect volcanic ash has on engines.
Well, we now have news from Europe that show another export from the US in operation, i.e., corporate cluelessness. It seems some of the European airlines are anxious to re-start. From today’s New York Times we have this quote:
“While safety remains a non-negotiable priority, it is not incompatible with our legitimate request to reconsider the present restrictions,” Olivier Jankovec, director general of ACI Europe, which represents 400 European airports in 46 countries, said in a statement.
It appears to me that the airlines are saying "We believe in safety up until the point that governments stop us from making money because it would not be safe."
What’s the big deal with all of this? Well, this from Boeing might help explain things:
In the past 30 years, more than 90 jet-powered commercial airplanes have encountered clouds of volcanic ash and suffered damage as a result.
So there is a historical record available explaining the affects. Verifiable evidence of the safety problems encountered.
Significant ash encounters from the past include those involving such well-known volcanoes as Mt. Pinatubo, Mt. Redoubt, and Mt. St. Helens. The airplanes that encountered volcanic ash during these events and in the other events listed chronologically experienced varying degrees of damage.
Fairly well known eruptions in that little group.
And Boeing does offer tips to avoid the problem:
Avoidance.
Preventing flight into potential ash environments requires planning in these areas:- Dispatch needs to provide flight crews with information about volcanic events, such as potentially eruptive volcanoes and known ash sightings, that could affect a particular route (see sidebar page).
- Dispatch also needs to identify alternate routes to help flight crews avoid airspace containing volcanic ash.
- Flight crews should stay upwind of volcanic ash and dust.
- Flight crews should note that airborne weather radar is ineffective for distinguishing ash and small dust particles.
This map from the NY Times show just how widespread the ash clouds are in Europe.
How best to avoid widespread volcanic ash clouds? By not flying. But of course, nothing should stand in the way of the Airlines making their profits, right? Right?
And as anyone who has spent significant time in Hawai’i can tell you, Madame Pele can get very angry and we anger her at our peril. I don’t know the name of the Icelandic equivalent to Madame Pele, but I would assume it works nearly the same.
And because I can (and really, could I have any other video here?):



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It looks like authorities are anticipating roughly half of the normal flight schedules to resume tomorrow.
Here’s hoping they don’t wind up regretting the rush to re-open.
People will be foolish to get on any planes flying from Europe tomorrow and maybe for days after.
This is the same type of action that I find incomprehensible about the climate change deniers. Given the choice of waiting until we have a higher confidence of safety, why not wait when the results if they are wrong can be catastrophic.
And with climate change deniers, why not do something that can’t hurt when the results of not doing something can be catastrophic.
It’s enough to make you consider passenger ships as a good (if slower) alternative. (As long as you give icebergs a miss, anyway.)
Better hurry if you want to book a trip by ship to Europe; Cunard Line sails on April 29, and the next vessel doesn’t leave until sometime later in May.
It does look like fun; I wonder if they have wireless internet included in ticket price? I could work all the way to Europe…
Given my propensity for motion sickness, looks like I’m stuck here.
Are the pilots jobs being threatened, either we find some *cough* volunteers to fly or we start with the layoffs?
Younger pilots without seniority flying rather than older pilots with experience would tend to confirm this idea.
Are they making passengers sign waivers in case anything happens? If not I see lawsuits and political careers ending all over Europe.
Mother Nature combats global warming:
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/planes-or-volcano/
Clever lady.
Indeed she is. And she (and her cohorts like Madame Pele) will be laughing at the futility of humans long after we are gone.
Yeah, whenever they mention CO2, it’s never planes, it’s always cars. I’d like to see a graph of how much co2 the wars have put into the atmosphere. That would be pretty interesting as well.
What I haven’t seen, however, is the tradeoff. Another program showed that the vapor trails the jets leave across the sky actually function as a shield against sunlight, lowering the heat that reaches the surface. Dunno whether/how much this is true. So the idea is, this limits the amount of heat that gets trapped by the GHG effect.
Substitute God for Mother Nature and we are back to a monotheistic connection between science and religion. God or M.N taking care of the bad guys, us.
C’mon! It’s stupid and quite misleading.
You know this thing is already huge and it’s just been going for what? 4 days?
This will spread all over the earth. It just depends for how long and how thick it is in the atmosphere what effect it’s going to have on virtually everything.
I remember Mt St Helen’s made th skies hazy for a year and this one seems worse.
It sure is going to be bad for the Icelanders. It’s spring planting time and the fields are covered with this stuff; which I’m pretty sure includes sulphur….not conducive to growing things.
I suspect we’re in for some very strange times. From crop failure to religious zeal
If enough ash gets in the air then world wide temperatures will drop a few degrees probably this or next year if it happens at all.
Iceland’s banks however were involved in the banking crisis scams my guess is they will not meet any repayment schedule now thanks to the volcano.
Europe’s banks might start to fall.
Per this from the AP (via WaPo0), the farmers are already fighting to protect their herds.
Great Catch if cows can’t graze they need corn or grain. Food prices should increase as corn and grain thar Europe not just Iceland feeds their flocks what they normally would export.
I am flying to Costa Rica in 2 weeks from Phoenix. Unless the jet stream reverses itself I am not going to worry.
The only people who need flights resumed even at the cost of human life is the airline industry.
Ok then why were flights grounded in the first place? By every airline from every country flying into or out of Europe?
Also if the planes can’t fly then I expect the airlines to demand a bailout.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/18/volcano-ash-flights-eu-sa_n_542081.html
I think I read the test flights flew low so they could use land marks incase the instruments went out.
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2010-04-19-airlines19_ST_N.htm
Any bets Obama will find the money to save the airlines that he could not find for healthcare.
Didn’t we bail them out after 9/11? Once is enough.
Yes we did but apparently only corporate persons are worthy of bailouts and help. Flesh, blood, and breathing humans though, not so much.
Agreed
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Bush and Congress bailed out low-cost start-up carriers. The two airlines that actually lost 2 planes, 2 crews and 2 loads of passengers each…United and American…were denied any money by a commission set up by Bush. They didn’t get a penny…and Glen Tilton, the CEO of United, couldn’t even be bothered to attend the funeral of even one United crewmember who died on 911.
Diary! I think the FirePups might need a refresher on the subject.
However next year won’t the Volcanic ash fertilize Europe’s crops?
I read that the livestock is also at risk from breathing/eating the ash which is everywhere, it causes their bones to break.
I wonder when the X-ians will be blaming the Icelanders’ morals for this fate?
White Vikings can do no wrong only Dark People.
What was I thinking?
It seems to me the volcano re-shapes the reality world wide. This is a big effing deal.
Yep and we have only just begin thinking about the changes. No planes means every high speed rail in Europe is filled. Europe, Russia and Turkey might all agree on a shared railway track and engine standard since they can’t fly planes into Europe.
A new generation of high speed trains might be developed as a result.
Icelandic Volcanoes have influenced Western Civilization…!
Crap! very good catch this is bad for Europe, the airlines and the banks but our farmers might do very well if this continues farmers with money in their pocket are less likely to go Tea Bagger if they actually have something to live for as opposed to bankruptcy and homelessness.
We might sweep the corn belt this election. Before I was not seeing us win that under any scenario.
The issue is not just the difficulty of seeing or navigating through dust clouds. Volcanic “dust” that enters jet engines essentially becomes glass, coating non-moving and high-rpm moving parts. Naturally, that affects the mass, clearances and balance of precision machined parts, which rapidly fail.
Let’s see the arguments from high-living corporate CEO’s about their concern for safety vs. profits. What happens, for example, if an aircraft falls out of the sky owing to premature flight operations in an ash affected zone. And, whoops, the insurers, damaged by the Wall Street meltdown, insuring the directors and officers and the airline itself for operating liability go belly up, leaving the company to pay liability claims. The airline might then also be wrestling with a rapid fall off of bookings as wary passengers choose to fly other airlines. Will that be an excuse for Congress and the president to deem airlines the next corporate piglets to have grown too big to fail?
That’s why I linked to the Boeing discussion since they’ve documented the effects on the engines from previous eruptions. It sounded like it’s poor blind luck there hasn’t been a crash directly attributable to volcanic ash before.
Also don’t we resupply our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan by air? Don’t we fly wounded troops to Germany?
Yes
Yes, from the Grey Lady…
As a former airframe technician, I know too much about flight and what keeps airplanes up to fly in inclement weather and that includes when there is a possibility of flying through ashy clouds. Those things are billowing piles of broken glass, not anything like cigar ashes or something. I’ve been known to get off an airplane when I didn’t like the look of a leaky aileron actuator.
“Those things are billowing piles of broken glass”
Nothing so soft if it’s basalt.
While my sympathy is with all of the people who have been devastated by the circumstances, it seems like a big opportunity to begin to re-think the future. Nothing like Mother Earth to give us a heads up about how a simple event can re-frame the dialog and the dynamics of climate change, from whatever the source.
billowing piles of broken glass, YIPES, Margaret. I think that is a great description.
I send you good energy for your struggle, every time I see your name.
I am “stuck” in Germany. I was on a two-week vacation with my family and my flight back to the US yesterday from Amsterdam, like all others, didn’t leave. For me personally things could be worse, but even if I were stuck some place less comfortable I wouldn’t want the airlines to take any risks.
I am very concerned about KLM and Lufthansa starting to really pressure the local governments into re-opening airspace because they seem worried about their profit margins.
What really makes me think they are less concerned about safety than money is the fact that not even the US Air Force is flying. This includes Ramstein Air Base (!) which is about 30 minutes away from where my family lives. The constant humming of planes from there ceased over the past days and I am pretty darn sure they would have gotten an exception from the German government if there had been the remote chance that it’s safe to go up.
Ramstein is the mother of all USAF Bases outside CONUS…! That speaks volumes…! Best of luck getting back stateside, hc…! *g*
Thanks! Though I am glad I got more time with the family :)
The last eruption from this volcano was 108 weeks.
Expect a harvest failure in Europe if this is repeated. Russia will head into one of its famines.
Yup, all this is definitely going to make RyanAir start charging for Lavatory Access to make up for the lost revenue. LOL!
All the “safety” talk from the Airlines will end as soon as their dollar loss figures reach some pre-fixed level. “Safety is our #1 Priority” is a great marketing slogan, until profits get in the way. Why do you think that regional airlines had co-pilots with 250 hours and no experience in the right seat? Because they were all genetic descendants of Chuck Yeager? No, because they’d fly those shiny jets for minimum wage. The airlines were betting that the experienced Captains would not make a fatal mistake or die at the controls and they’d be able to pay the FOs less than a fry-cook at Mickey-Ds. Yeah, safety is #1.
Apologies if this has already been posted here, and my cursory glance at comments overlooked it…
Finnish F-18 engine check reveals effects of volcanic dust
A couple paragraphs from the link:
Found via Twitter; haven’t done any rigorous follow-up to see if there has been any challenge or rebuttal. There is no update in the article, and haven’t seen anything in the tweets I follow.
Good comment. I’d just add click through to the photos of the engine damage.
I’d also add that the ban on flying in most European airspace has been extended to 1800 GMT today, and passengers are being told to plan on nothing flying until Friday soonest.
Corporations are in business to make money, if they are being kept from doing that it becomes their top priority to start doing it again.
Blame the Corps for wanting to do what they do.
Those miners that died knew the risk but they still went into the mine, and the other miners went back to work even after seeing their coworkers killed.
You can’t just quit making money or your business fails, and with workers your family can’t eat.
Of course, the Pope was flying today. Was it to or from Malta? I guess he’ll just buy a new plane if the one he was flying in gets damaged.
NATO jets damaged by volcanic ash