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Jobs.
Although the official time frame for “The Great Recession” was December 2007 through June 2009, for the millions of long term un and underemployed, the daily reality is that not only has the recession never ended, it is more applicable to The Great Depression than it is to any of the various acknowledged recessions since the end of WWII. One of the articles of faith from the always surprised Economists is that job creation lags other indicators, yet here we are, over two years since the “end” of the last recession and the official unemployment rate is still at 9.1% with the underemployed figure at 16.2% for August 2011.
Each week on Thursday, there’s a report of the Initial Jobless Claims for the week before. Like many of the earlier weeks, last week’s report forced the headline writers to find the lone tidbit of almost good news to concentrate on in their ledes. From Reuters:
(Reuters) – Americans filed fewer new claims for jobless benefits last week but the decline was not enough to dispel worries the economy was dangerously close to falling into a new recession.Applications for unemployment benefits dropped 9,000 to 423,000 in the week ended September17, the Labor Department said on Thursday. That was roughly in line with expectations.l
Of course, once again, the earlier report had been revised upwards (from 428K reported on September 15). It is not going too far out on a limb to predict that the 423K reported for September 22 will be revised upwards on September 29.
I did not go too far out on a limb back in June when I first predicted a “double-dip” and it still was a short limb when I reiterated the prediction in July. Nouriel Roubini has made the same prediction last Thursday documented from his tweets (via Business Insider). A few days earlier (September 19), Roubini had written this op-ed on how to keep the coming Recession from being a Depression.
Economist Magazine offered this analysis of Growth and jobs across the country on September 15. Their close:
Two things seem clear, however. Across the country, a greater level of demand growth is necessary to boost employment. And at the same time, there are places within the country experiencing strong growth which aren’t producing the jobs we’d expect them to. If America could find ways to make San Jose just a little more like Dallas, that might make a meaningful dent in America’s employment problems.
MSNBC offered this article with a touch of good news involved, i.e., that there is some hiring going on, although not to a level necessary to reduce the official un and underemployment rates. One point to note from that MSNBC link – all the reasons offered for the slow hiring have to do with demand levels and not the skills of the workers.
Today’s (Tuesday, September 27) NY Times had this article analyzing some BLS figures on how the economic map is being redrawn due to the lingering economic ill-effects:
When the unemployment rate rose in most states last month, it underscored the extent to which the deep recession, the anemic recovery and the lingering crisis of joblessness are beginning to reshape the nation’s economic map.The once-booming South, which entered the recession with the lowest unemployment rate in the nation, is now struggling with some of the highest rates, recent data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics show.
Several Southern states — including South Carolina, whose 11.1 percent unemployment rate is the fourth highest in the nation — have higher unemployment rates than they did a year ago. Unemployment in the South is now higher than it is in the Northeast and the Midwest, which include Rust Belt states that were struggling even before the recession.
…snip…
The long cycle of “lose jobs, gain jobs, lose jobs” that kept Georgia’s unemployment rate at 10.2 percent in August — the same as it was a year earlier — is illustrated by Union City, a small city on the outskirts of Atlanta.
It suffered a blow when the last store in its darkened mall, Sears, announced that it would soon close. But the city had other irons in the fire: a few big companies were hiring, and earlier this year Dendreon, a biotech company that makes a cancer drug, opened a plant there, lured in part by state and local subsidies.
Then, this month, Dendreon said it would lay off more than 100 workers at the new plant as part of a national “restructuring.”
…snip…
In a sign of how severe the downturn has been, the Brookings analysis found that only 16 of the nation’s 100 largest metropolitan areas have regained more than half of the jobs they lost during the recession.
So here we are. After all the years of hearing about the Rust Belt failing everyone and how the South was the leader in everything, well, maybe not so much. Businesses will accept all the subsidies and tax breaks in the world, but they will cut and run at the slightest sign of problems. Of course, I’m from a small town in Kentucky that bragged over the years about bringing in jobs from the Rust Belt (make sure you use plenty of Post-It Notes to keep the folks in my hometown working). I would almost suggest the governors of Georgia and South Carolina might want to contact their rust belt counterparts for some advice except that most of the governors involved seem to be intent on learning the wrong lessons.
And because I can:
Cross posted from Just A Small Town Country Boy by Richard Taylor



27 Comments

You gotta jump down, spin around! (Huhn!)
And pick a bale o’ Dacron
You gotta jump down, spin around!
And pick some Nylon, too!
[whipcrack] Agggh!
Interesting shift. I wonder why?
I think one of the things that this indicates is how dependent on housing (and the stuff that gets put into a new house) the economy of the South and Southwest is. I live in Upstate NY and I can tell you that one of the reasons our experience with the Great Recession is been a bit flatter is that our economy upstate did not go through a boom and bust cycle. All that got shaken out about 20-25 years ago, so whoever is up here doing their thing is still hanging on doing it. We have not had a big influx of people firing up the housing markets (so house values did not boom…but they have also no busted either). And I keep on saying this: If places like Upstate New York, and PA, and so on (that is, states which have industrial bases, unions, regulation, taxes and have been beaten up and viewed as The Great Satan)are so terrible, why do businesses still start here and have stayed here?
What I find fascintating is the states mentioned appear to be low tax, low regulation, low worker’s rights, low consumer protection, “unfettered economy” states.
Doesn’t this kinda debunk the entire GOP mantra about how to create jobs?
Now here in the northeastern high tax, high regulation “people’s republic/worker paradise” states, we appear to have faired a bit better and to be recovering sooner.
Hmmmm? So big government states are BETTER at providing jobs? Who would thunk it. The same appears to hold true on an international level, too.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/27/id-rather-be-an-unlucky-ducky/
I’m still trying to figure out why, if places like PA and New York are ‘the great satan’ in terms of business, why is it that businesses are still operating? Especially in places like Upstate NY? Seriously? If working with organized labor, regulation, and taxes was so impossible, why is it that we still have businesses operating and even growing in New York? (actually, I have an answer to that because I used to be in Economic Development and I used to ask every business person I could get hold of, especially if they were from another state, why they were in New York, why they stayed in New York, why they were returning production to New York and so on. The answer, every single time was: New Yorkers work hard, they don’t bolt down the street for an extra 25 cents, they show up for their shifts sober and the education and skill sets are vastly superior to anything they had available to them in the South. And that was even the answer from the guy who was the president of Harden Furniture, which is very high end, solid wood. They started in McConnellsville, NY, moved a lot of production down to NC, which certainly has furniture making skill sets in spades, but then moved everything back to McConnellsville. He said he couldn’t keep his production line going because he was constantly getting calls from his supervisors telling him that people either were not showing up or they were drunk, on drugs or hung over. He brought all his equipment back to McConnellsville and offered his supervisors jobs in Upstate New York – even the people who were born in NC took the offers – because they could send their kids to the local public schools)
Well, Republican so-called jobs creators have never been ones to let facts get in the way of their myths.
And i the same vein, a eye popping chart at another myFDl diary shows you that GOP the debt reduction religion is an outright lie as well.
http://my.firedoglake.com/cmaukonen/2011/09/27/who-increased-the-debt/
The whole jobs thing is painful but very interesting. I talk with my cousin in Ms frequently and have learned that people there are not losing jobs and are doing quite well. Both of her daughters-in-law recently got very good jobs and one of her sons recently sold his home at his asking price which was really high for a small town – about 5000. This is puzzling to me.
we’ve been in a depression for quite some time, long before the collapse during bush’s last term.
as a matter of fact, I am the very person who pointed this out to krugman during one of our book salons, I asked him;
since real wages have decreased or depressed, real assets have decreased or depressed, labor is working longer, producing more, taking home less, we need to work longer before we retire, how is this not a depression?
I continued
the “great depression” was the benchmark for how bad it can get, there are levels of depression you have before it is “great”
he subsequently wrote a piece “the lesser depression”
no, he did not give me credit
these are great statistics that need to be hammered by democrats whenever they face the repukes
sadly, they won’t, they are now as corporate bought as their counterparts
in fact, regulation creates jobs, for instance you have to build the devices that keep your auto exhaust clean, you have to hire people to keep the refrigerator free from microbes
democrats never seem able to point these obvious facts out, it is willing ignorance me thinks
That’s one of those where we have to be content with getting our perspective out into the world.
The report confirms a sense I have long had, that a lot of the economic growth in the South was a kind of infill: you didn’t yet have 3 McDonald’s for every square mile, etc. Of course, not having unions to protect wages, etc. hurts more than helps the little guy when the economic shit hits the fan. (My wife is on the faculty at Florida State U, and the union has definitely fended off several big losses the last few years.)
Fascinating the California has the highest unemployment rate, however. Liberals see it with rose-colored glasses, but it’s a shithole like the rest of the country once you get outside SF and Berkeley, and the limousine liberals could give a crap about the rest of us.
california is hampered by the republicans who made it impossible to get revenue from the people using the assets needed for a strong economy
not the liberals fault there but the republicans
California also hampered by being one of the major players in the housing bubble.
I was actually pretty proud I influenced a nobel prize winner, I don’t think he missed giving me credit on purpose, I believe he thought he came up with it on his own, i would bet that if I pointed out to him it was me who planted the seed of insight and the post, he would then agree
Apropos of the diarist’s comment about rustbelt governors–Jen Granholm is apparently coming out with a book that fesses up to her failure to stimulate Michigan’s economy through tax-cutting and business giveaways. And just because Michigan has moved to fourth-worst on the list is not much real reason for hope.
I see NO signs for optimism in that report, whose only REAL news is that any sense the south would ride out the new depression with less damage was chimerical–as if that weren’t pretty obvious to most working people. Talking about “the south” isn’t always too useful anyway, just a magnet for airy prejudice and poorly thought-through liberal attitudinizing. Only the northernmost seventh of Florida is the south, for ex.; AL has a huge medical complex that IS surviving nicely; Texas is being buoyed, however briefly, by immigrant labor. Georgia is pig-ignorant like S. Carolina, but Atlanta will have none of it.
Take it all with a grain of salt.
If you’re going to excuse Cal’s liberals when Dems run the state. . . start making excuses for everyone else. Truth is that liberals there enjoyed the taxpayer revolt as much as the next guy. And they helped elected the Terminator (SEVERAL of my SF friends voted for him).
Liberals do it backward and in high heels/hold up half the capitalist sky.
At what point did I proclaim that Democrats were absolved of fault in all of this?
I guess your names implies that you are not from the South. Odd, then, you would take yourself to be such an expert, imho.
The Sun Belt flourishing was the first Mexico and China. Jobs from the unionized north were outsourced here first. Now we are paying the price of scavenging off our union neighbors as the jobs moved to cheap labor.
I’m from Michigan (born in Detroit), have lived in NY, SF, California, and now live in Florida, as my first post suggested. Are you taking exception to my knowing whereof I speak? :)
This was a reply to Perris, who said California’s economic failure was the Republicans’ fault. I’m suggesting the state’s problems run a little deeper.
So why does Cal have the highest rate of unemployment; why is Michigan fourth worst? I’m not arguing with your assertion that low taxes and regulation do not necessarily harm job creation (although many jobs HAVE migrated to the south; what’s more, northern states have failed to protect their work forces, which has meant more job losses, often right out of the country.)
Not reading very carefully. . .
So why does Cal have the highest rate of unemployment; why is Michigan fourth worst? I’m not arguing with your assertion that low taxes and regulation do not necessarily harm job creation (although many jobs HAVE migrated to the south; what’s more, northern states have failed to protect their work forces, which has meant more job losses, often right out of the country.)
I see a lot of lazy thinking here.
Pardon duplicate post!
That’s a big Ding Ding!
It’s why I have had mixed emotions on some of these things. Textiles and furniture led the way from the North to the South then on to the off shore.
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One reason for the increase of joblessness in the South might be due to the increase in the use of migrant slave labor in those areas. I know that Chris Hedges has recently reported on some horrendous cases in Florida regarding tomato growers. Don’t buy tomatoes at any store other than Whole Foods as they are the only distributer who have signed and agreement
There is a lot of slave labor all over the USA. Frankly I think it is one of the most under reported stories in the USA (second perhaps only to Occupy Wall Street)
Details about the tomato protest can be found at the CIW website