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I, as have many of us, have been following the various #Occupy efforts with some interest. News coverage asking the plaintive whine “but what do they WANT?” combined with all the various attempts to make it all just a bunch of DFHs, druggies, and so on. (Rather defeated when even the Washington Post has articles like yesterday (Wednesday, November 16) where they lede with an admission that maybe the #Occupy folks did have some points in mind after all):
The movement began as a protest of major economic and political issues, but lately the most divisive issue has become the protests themselves. The Occupy Wall Street encampments that formed across the country to spotlight crimes committed on Wall Street have become rife with problems of their own. There are sanitation hazards and drug overdoses, even occasional deaths and sexual assaults.
So, in this one article, the Post manages to paint the original effort as valid but now has lost its way. In the overall online world there is an oft seen type of commenter known as a Concern Troll. That quoted paragraph from the Post seems to fit the definition to a tee.
Let’s examine this a bit though. One of the themes of people like Mayor Bloomberg and Governor Cuomo as well as many other mayors and governors around the country is how things are so bad economically that the states must cut back in so many services, laying off teachers, first responders, cutting Medicaid eligibility, rolling back unemployment benefits, and generally destroying both the social safety net and wages and benefits for state workers. Yet here it is, New York City can incur millions of dollars in overtime costs going after unarmed, mostly peaceful protestors (according to this from WNYC it was over $5M by late October), yet city agencies are scrambling for funds:
The council’s concern over the issue comes as city agencies are scrambling to find ways to cut 2 percent of their current fiscal year budget and six percent in the next fiscal year. Those rollbacks are expected to help the city save $2 billion dollars overall.
As of this past Monday, Oakland had spent $2.4M dealing with Occupy Oakland and Portland, OR had spent $450K just for this past weekend’s activities. Cincinnati has spent $128K in overtime. Jon Walker at FDL Action also asked yesterday where the money is coming from for these police actions.
Yet somehow, cities such as Louisville, KY have managed to co-exist with the #Occupy Louisville folks, granting them permits through December 31. Louisville’s mayor visited the #Occupy Louisville site in early October when one of my cousins was there – and he did it as a private citizen to see what the fuss was all about. No photo-op, no heavy duty police presence, just a man and his daughters. Today’s Louisville Courier-Journal has a nice long article about the peacefulness of Occupy Louisville.
Albany, NY is having its own back-and-forth between the #Occupy Albany folks and local politicians. A few weeks ago, the Albany PD refused to make arrests:
ALBANY — In a tense battle of wills, state troopers and Albany police held off making arrests of dozens of protesters near the Capitol over the weekend even as Albany’s mayor, under pressure from Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s administration, had urged his police chief to enforce a city curfew.
The situation intensified late Friday evening when Jennings, who has cultivated a strong relationship with Cuomo, directed his department to arrest protesters who refused to leave the city-owned portion of a large park that’s across Washington Avenue from the Capitol and City Hall.
The arrests that have been made in Albany were made by NY State Police when protestors have been in a state park rather than a city park next door:
So far police have written 59 tickets to protesters who have broken an 11 p.m. curfew in state-controlled Lafayette Park, which abuts city-owned Academy Park where the protesters have established an encampment of roughly 50 tents.
The Albany County District Attorney has declined to prosecute the arrests made by the State Police. It seems the DA has made the decision that his office has more important priorities than accommodating Governor Cuomo’s support for the 1%ers. From today’s NY Times:
In Albany, the mayor, Gerald D. Jennings, has allowed protesters to camp out in city-owned Academy Park. But shortly before the protest began, the state imposed an 11 p.m. curfew on the adjacent Lafayette Park, creating an odd situation in which a line of bushes separates an area where the protesters can spend the night from an area where they cannot.
Some protesters have labeled their 50-tent encampment “Cuomoville,” and Mr. Cuomo himself as “Governor 1 Percent,” a nod to his opposition to the state’s so-called millionaires’ tax. One sign in the park featured Mr. Cuomo’s face superimposed on the body of a stately monarch; another depicted the governor as Emperor Palpatine from “Star Wars” telling a storm trooper, “Give the order to clear the parks!”
…snip…
The Albany County district attorney, P. David Soares, who has a rocky history with Mr. Cuomo, a fellow Democrat, said in an interview that he would not prosecute the protesters unless they behaved violently or damaged property.
“We’re really showing, by example, that it is possible to peacefully coexist with the people who are engaging in their First Amendment rights,” Mr. Soares said. “It can be done, and we’re hoping to continue doing it.”
I guess if crime rates are falling, especially for violent crimes, then folks like Governor Cuomo and Mayor Bloomberg have to find some use for all those police so they create their own “Gangs of New York.”
Uh, Governors? Mayors? Conciliation is a lot cheaper and less aggravating than confrontation – unless you really are wholly owned subsidiaries of the 1% and if you are, enjoy your retirements as your elective office future is not going much further, no matter how much you may fantasize about hearing “Hail to the Chief” played as you enter the room.
And because I can:
Cross posted from Just A Small Town Country Boy by Richard Taylor



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I think the concerted effort in places with either real or symbolic financial meaning shows what the real fear is. Oakland had to go because Oakland 1946 General Strike was symbolic to the labor movement and evoked the threat of a regenerated labor movement in the U.S. and worldwide — it was, after all, the whole reason for the union busting provisions of the Taft-Hartley Act, the kind of “big gummint regulations” that Wall Street never complains about. Occupy Wall Street had to go because it was, well, Wall Street. And so on, but Louisville doesn’t bother anyone and the financial powers can point to it and say they didn’t stifle any movements.
The telling coordinations were those planned in London and Zurich which have been promised (and may have been stifled when Mayor Quan spilled the beans). Because those could not have been blamed on an overreaching U.S. police state, and are clearly banking centers.
So there is a reason why some cities have been stamping out these protests and others have not. And it probably isn’t the government that is behind it, because it hasn’t been the government that is the true focus of the protests.
Thanks for the news on Occupy Louisville! Perfectly peaceful and free of cop-inflicted violence, just like Occupy Des Moines, Occupy Detroit, and the city-owned part of Occupy Albany, among other places.
I’m considering a diary that lists all the Occupys that haven’t been harassed by the local (or state) authorities, just to prove that the spending on police barricades and harrassment is simply not justified or justifiable.
Its time that the cash strapped Cities, get behind OWS-Empire’s-Territory, so we and them can then demand that we want an honest wage, and Cities to be have enough cash to function right on.
“There are sanitation hazards and drug overdoses, even occasional deaths and sexual assaults.
Seems to me that any city in America could provide a few porta-potties and the same police protection the rest of us are supposed to enjoy for a lot less money than has been spent on suppression. A little bit of accommodation would go a long way.
Hey, Dakine01! Thanks for this, bra! Wait…I mean Mahalo!
Always good when someone takes on the Concern Trolls head on. I love snarky dismissal and put-downs, but there’s also a huge need for centralized facts and rationale for the persuadable.
watch as much as I could take of ED and Maddow. Ed started his show covering OWS and then tied it and their demands into O and dem party. maddow started talking about O and his job plan and then tied OWS to it.
F them and the masters they serve
It also seems to me that a mainstream newspaper could be bothered to actually substantiate those big claims, rather than just parroting them. Oh well…it worked during Katrina.
If it bleeds, it leads. Occupy Correlary: it’s gotta lead, so make it bleed…
Unfortunately, I think the reality in this is the same that keeps the topic of the Irak and Afghanistan occupations and all the other little wars in the ME off the table when looking at budget cuts and keeps the Bush/Obama tax cuts out of the conversation when the so-called grand bargain and ‘super-committee’ are the topic.
Ending the wars and the tax cuts would, if not solve, at least go a long way towards mitigating the ‘problems’ but it is too simple for the PTB who think we are the simpletons.
Not O/T – related:
Just got off the OccupySupply Webinar. OUTSTANDING!
I’m going to get hooked up with at least one other Denver-ite, and it’s so perfectly set up that meeting the needs of the Occupiers and doing something is just about fool-proof.
Do. Not. Miss. Out.
Thanks for the report, Kelly!
Go get ‘em, snow tiger!
Yeah, I did have a fear after I published that folks might think from the title I was meaning the resources of the Occupy movement rather than the wastefulness of the cities and states using confrontation as the preferred means of dealing with 99% of the public.
I’m not sure I followed you through all of that. Do you have time to clarify a little? You don’t think there are any persuadable people out there? Or that the persuadable ones aren’t powerful enough to affect things?
Nah, but then, I know your work.
And anyway, once anyone reads to the part about Concern Trolls they should really get the picture.
Unless you wanted to change your title to “(Obliterating) Occupy: is this a wise use…”
“There are sanitation hazards and drug overdoses, even occasional deaths and sexual assaults.”
Sure, but those things are everywhere, not just at the #Occupy sites. Where is the WaPo’s concern over the sanitation hazards in the homes of the unemployed, the elderly and the otherwise poor who are trying to get by with the water shut off and no electricity? There is no concern, because those people have been effectively rendered invisible. And that’s the real issue with #Occupy; they are not invisible, and the message they are sending is not one that the WaPo, the Obama admin and our government as a whole (with some exceptions) wants to hear or wants anyone else to hear.
Sanitation, health, drugs and the rest of it are just excuses. Those excuses are no more valid here than they would be in Syria or Tiananmen Square.
The real risks to health and safety I see are not from the camps, they are from the authorities with their various “non-lethal” projectile weapons, pepper spray, Tasers and nightsticks. The state is the source of the violence and the risks, not the #Occupiers. If this movement were happening in the Middle East, the same people who want to crush it here would be cheering it there.
Occupy Everywhere.
The politicians (for the most part) response to the #Occupy movement by using coercion as the first choice in dealing is the same general idea that chooses to ignore that ending the war(s) and letting the tax cuts expire would solve a lot of the so-called deficit problems they like to whine about.
Ending the wars, letting the tax cuts expire, dealing openly and cooperatively with protestors do not fit the message that the MOTU/PTB want to send.
It is quite shortsighted political maneuvering where they think we are too stupid to see the wastefulness. It is the general bubble of life inside the beltway and general political games rather than actually working for the good of all people rather than the few contributors
“Let’s examine this a bit though. One of the themes of people like Mayor Bloomberg and Governor Cuomo as well as many other mayors and governors around the country is how things are so bad economically that the states must cut back in so many services, laying off teachers, first responders, cutting Medicaid eligibility, rolling back unemployment benefits, and generally destroying both the social safety net and wages and benefits for state workers.”
Also, turning into junk bonds the rent subsidies that tens of thousands of recently homeless families depend on to stay off the streets.
http://my.firedoglake.com/lechero/2011/03/25/new-yorks-dis-advantage-program-casting-away-15000-previously-homeless-back-into-the-streets/
Greetings, All:
IMO, tally up the financial costs and send those truly responsible (i.e., investment banks, etc.) the bill (with all applicable and appropriate legal enforcement provisions, of course)…
Every single one of these municipalities easily could have provided appropriate siting alternatives for “assembly encampments” and so forth. Apparently and appallingly, they chose to challenge the First/Fourteenth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution (and supporting case law) instead.
IMO, the best thing about today is that so far and to my knowledge, no one died during the protests today.
And the worst? I’ll try to write about it later…
Meanwhile, N17 is M01 today…
A PPP poll said only 33% of Americans are now supportive of the movement’s goals, while 45% oppose the initiatives. Independent support is also waning, with 42% against the protests.
Regardless of how little regard people may have for polls, it is a fact that those support numbers were higher just a few weeks ago. What’s happened? You can blame the media, but that’s a reality with which protesters just have to contend. What people are seeing is disruption and chaos, and they’re apparently starting to tune out.
If Occupy keeps losing support, then the pressure protesters feel they can bring to bear on government and corporations to force fundamental change disappears. Is it so bad to consider a strategy at this point that, yes, works at some level through the political system and media as it currently exists? (like it or not?) If you disagree, tell me how things will even incrementally change if support and empathy for the protests drops even further?
Oh My!
Polling numbers go up and down all the time. The OWS numbers were quite small in support in the beginning. And yes, the TradMedia blindly repeating the falsehoods as spouted by people such as Mayor Bloomberg and Governor Cuomo without anyone refuting them does impact those numbers.
Hence, it is people like those of us here at FDL who have to stand up and say “Wait a minute, you’re wrong and here is why”
My guess is those polls were taken before the latest evictions/attacks. Every time the cops attack old people and people protesting peacefully, you see the support rise. It will go up again.
Well, a couple things.
How is it that OWS is less popular than when it started with about 100 people overnight 2 months ago? With mimics all over the US and abroad now?
And compare to Tea Party polling which is completely in the tank.
Polls do serve a purpose, but social movements serve a people. There’s a difference.
You’re right. I don’t think we disagree at all. But what the Occupiers are doing is shifting little by little to a new reality that actually works for the good of all people…
I hope. We’re certainly closer to that new reality than we were two months ago.
Thanks for posting about Occupy Louisville. I was going to come here tonight and post information about the article that appeared in the CJ and how good the Mayor and our police chief have been.
It’s similar to the military industrial complex. The last thing to get cut or question is the money spent on the military and police (in terms of operations, not pay to individuals at the bottom). When/if the country is absolute shit and people go ballistic or want to rise up, the government has to have that last defense. We’re seeing that now, though people are quite mild.
I suspect the polls are the problem because the turnout keeps growing.
That said, there’s no doubt the momentum was gone the past few weeks and all we were hearing, even from the left end, is negatives. I’m among those who think the camping aspect of it became a distraction and is not a replacement for actual protests and actions. The public has a hard time seeing a connection with camping out in parks and protesting income inequality or economic injustice, but they can understand protests outside the stock exchange or occupying a bank or a foreclosed home or a factory.
The Occupy movements are making it quite obvious who is bought and paid for by Wall Street. The Portland Oregon police chief just spent over 600 officers making all of about 48 arrests while delaying 3 hours to send an officer to a rape victim.
And the chief has been talking about running for mayor.
One would think the local government officials would wake up and smell the DHS phone conference guidance as leading to the end of their political careers.
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Police-Occupy-hindering-fight-against-crime-134062273.html
Socio-psychopaths have no redeeming qualities. The 1%ers are a criminal class that has methodically killed, lied and stolen their way to their positions (e.g. see this where-oh-where-did-those-public-moneys-disappear? situation in NYC) while building a system around themselves that kept them in their position repeating those behaviors with every conceivable expense to the planet and every living thing on it. They’ve even drunk the kool-aid of their own propaganda and told the world they were “doing God’s work” despite all signs of the suffering of the 99 percent.
Meanwhile, only months before, a portion of the slightly less delusional French 1%ers had the silver of sense to do a mostly symbolic move of asking for a pittance of a tax upon them (TruthOut.Com, Aug. 25, 2011). Such a magnanimus-looking gesture is just a disguise for their attempt to protect the institutionalized disparity they have created and their top dog positions within that structure. Interestingly, months ago, the American 1%ers were absolutely adamant they wouldn’t pay their fair share and would rather accelerate the asset-stripping of the country as if they were grave robbers snatching the copper pennies from off the eyes of the dead.
“ContagionEx” (Mark Fiore, Nov. 16, 2011)
But, my, what a difference six weeks makes. Now a portion of the American 1%ers are attempting to stage the same symbolic gesture as their French counterparts, asking their paid and bought political pets to raise their taxes while not relinquishing the stable of attorneys and accountants they pay to exploit the loopholes that would allow them to not pay those taxes anyway.
Don’t be fooled. “The people are rising, no more compromising!”
Just a day before #N17, “Millionaires ask Congress to raise their taxes” (CNNMoney.Com, Nov. 16, 2011).
You’ll appreciate this package.
“…you know how we put aside money for snow removal every year?….Well, here’s a funny story….”
This is so clever. I wonder how much those 600 officers cost the city and what the attendant court costs will be? If it is no longer cost-effective the cities/counties/states will be loathe to reprise the tactic.
I want to shout it from the hilltops: “If Nobody will buy the oil then will Nobody pull it out of the ground?”
This sounds great, Phoenix Woman! To me the march across Brooklyn Bridge last night, accomplished peacefully, was a beautiful complement to the kettling and arresting that occurred when it was first attempted as the police seemed to lure the marchers into a sense of false security.
And as this diary points out, the expenses incurred by cities seeking to quell legitimate protests were incurred as a result of those oppressive tactics, not as a result of anything the protesters themselves initiated. That point needs to be stressed, that speech (in spite of the muddled thinking of the Supremes) is not expensive; for crying out loud, it’s supposed to be free!
Disagree, username. So long as it was possible, to camp was a good thing. It gave concrete examples of the pros and cons of facing off the status quo as far as physically possible, and many thanks to those who have done or are doing this. If we hadn’t had encampments (and many are going on successfully in other places out of the spotlight still) how would that photo of the balloon tents at Berkeley caused such elation in my heart? How would we have known how truly dedicated Occupiers have been, willing to put themselves really in harms way with respect to the standoffs in the middle of the night, loss of equipment, hardship, stress of physically being with people who have no other alternative and still do not, the homeless, the folk society doesn’t want to think about.
They too are the 99 percent, and to the extent that the Occupiers made the attempt to include them – that could not have happened without tents, without physical presence in the places of Occupation at night. That was an enormous part of this movement and its success. Many of us have, or have had, family out there in the dark. I thank the Occupies for dealing with that. It was not a distraction, it was the heart of the beast.
Yves Smith’s comment regarding pole, on a comment on her commentary on a John Walker post.
“The polls were actually showing nearly 70%, then they started changing the wording to reduce the approval rates. It went from something like “Do you approve of the goals of OWS” or something like that to “Do you think most people approve of the goals of OWS?”
That is a HUGE change and the second question is guaranteed to produce lower results. Poll results are very sensitive to how the question is posed (I used to do survey research). ”
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/11/are-you-happy-that-your-tax-dollars-are-going-to-crush-ows-and-other-occupations.html