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One of the on-going arguments across the blogosphere and even the entire world is whether the economic problems of the last ten years are more related to incompetence or basic corruption. I must say, just the last week has offered plenty of evidence for both views. For example, we had this article from Bloomberg yesterday (Tuesday, November 29) about how then Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson met with his hedge fund buddies and gave them the first class insider information on his plans to place Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into “conservatorship.”
Paulson explained that under this scenario, the common stock of the two government-sponsored enterprises, or GSEs, would be effectively wiped out. So too would the various classes of preferred stock, he said.
The fund manager says he was shocked that Paulson would furnish such specific information — to his mind, leaving little doubt that the Treasury Department would carry out the plan. The managers attending the meeting were thus given a choice opportunity to trade on that information.
…snip…
And law professors say that Paulson himself broke no law by disclosing what amounted to inside information.
…snip…
At the time Paulson privately addressed the fund managers at Eton Park, he had given the market some positive signals — and the GSEs’ shares were rallying, with Fannie Mae’s nearly doubling in four days.
William Black, associate professor of economics and law at the University of Missouri-Kansas City, can’t understand why Paulson felt impelled to share the Treasury Department’s plan with the fund managers.
“You just never ever do that as a government regulator — transmit nonpublic market information to market participants,” says Black, who’s a former general counsel at the Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco. “There were no legitimate reasons for those disclosures.”
So, apparently what Paulson did was not illegal, yet there were and are no controls on Paulson or anyone else receiving this information. But it does smell of corruption. Or maybe Paulson was so incompetent as to believe that he was just sharing gossip with his friends that would harm no one.
Another example of the corrupt or incompetent conundrum was in today’s papers. The NY Times had this article on how the ratings agencies missed all the signs of problems in Greece:
In a stern pronouncement, Moody’s Investors Service this week warned of rising prospects for multiple defaults by countries in the euro zone and credit rating downgrades of nations across Europe if leaders should fail to resolve the spreading debt crisis.
When it comes to Greece, critics say Moody’s should have been tougher a lot earlier.
Until two years ago, the ratings agency took a relatively lax approach to growing signs of troubles in Greece, epicenter of the current crisis, even as the country plowed ahead with a borrowing binge that jeopardized its fiscal condition.
Moody’s held off dropping its strong A rating of Greece’s bonds despite growing political turmoil and economic woes through 2009. Investor fears over Greece’s short-term financing needs were “misplaced,” Moody’s said in a report in early December 2009. Twenty days later, after a review, the agency downgraded the nation’s debt, the last of the major ratings agencies to do so.
These are the same credit ratings agencies that rated mortgage backed securities as AAA, helping to cause the financial melt down leading us to the Great Recession/Lesser Depression.
The same ratings agencies that were too incompetent to see the problems with Greece and over-rated the mortgage securities have also been going around down grading the credit ratings of the United States, Spain, and Italy. There is more than a little irony in Standard & Poor deciding to cut the credit rating of 15 of the largest world banks last night. This while the global central banks have banded together to bail out European banks and the Euro Zone. Of course, the stock markets love it.
Meanwhile, British workers are striking against austerity measures, the #Occupy movement continues apace in the US and the 1% continue to be clueless.
Incompetent or corrupt? Or is there a difference?
And because I can:
Cross posted from Just A Small Town Country Boy by Richard Taylor




37 Comments

Recommended Dakine. Thanks for covering all this. In my own mind all this theft by banks was orchestrated and allowed by people who were supposed to be watching our backs. I call it corruption. FWIW
Our, that is the Bankster government has Classified Financial Information. So Congress and the American people are not allowed to know the true state of the Bankster Fraud. Paulsen did obviously violate the law by revealing classified information. He may have perjured himself to Congress. Of course he lied to Congress and the American people.
But Paulsen should also be prosecuted as a member of the Goldman Sachs Crime Family, and its conspiracy to loot Freddie and Fannie and everything else.
That anyone would see this shit as incompetence is the mark of a corrupt society.
We’ve gone fascist.
While I do lean towards corruption, until we have the full blown, objective, verifiable evidence of the same and people get perp walked and into jail, I have to keep the option of general incompetence available as I do believe that many things claimed to be conspiracies are just basic human stupidity
Well then, the elite have been brilliantly stupid with all their stars magically aligned. It just happened.
The conspiracy against conspiracy is a holdover from Cold War paranoia of being outside the group. You don’t want to be outside the group, do you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yaSuhmLk40
George Bush wouldn’t want you to be outside the group: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Hj-Y6o6ec
My teacher is Shakespeare, whose plays are rife with conspiracies, and he is renowned for his deep understanding of humans and how they tick.
Cassius:
“The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings.”
Julius Caesar (I, ii, 140-141)
Oh yes. The Markets love anything that remotely resembles their fantasies. But that’s the problem. They are mere fantasies.
From Goldman Sacks via Zero Hedge
Which means that they – the central banks – are only buying some wiggle room.
But not nearly enough.
I say Corruption!
Remember, Paulson changed the amount and reasons for TARP at least 5 times in the public realm and I have no idea how many in private.
Also, you never ever saw the man smile, but the photo taken of him and Bush on the steps after the TARP passed showed a grin that could be seen on Mars!
No doubt about it, corruption.
Nice tune!
There’s a very easy litmus test for “Corruption or Incompetence.”
Just look at the unanimity of the outcomes. If it were incompetence, they’d occasionally screw things up in our favor on accident. They don’t, so it’s not incompetence.
You got the corruption part right. But I respectfully submit that you got the incompetence part wrong. Incompetence implies innocence. There’s no innocence about any of this.
There IS plenty of arrogance and stupidity to go around, though, for our convenience, all in one package.
How efficient of them!
Well, the incompetence is part of the arrogance that seemed to believe that there would never be any blowback to their actions.
Recommended and thanks dakien!! You sure explain it so everyone can see the truth… We are being smothered in corruption by the 1%! Who’s only goal is to reap more and more money at the expense of the masses… They care not for the starving children and Adults of Our Nation… Greedy Bastards, they have no conscience at all…
Instead of “Let Them Eat Cake” they espouse “Let them eat dirt”!! God made Dirt so dirt can’t hurt!!! And it will fill your belly!!!!
Recommended.
Now was it corrupt incompetence or incompetent corruption? Or both?
To the author:
You commit a common sin in argument, you created a false dichotomy. One need not exclude the other. You conclude by saying “is there a difference?” However, your point should be “it is both!”
Ah, we are having a quarrel over semantics. That’s OK. I seem to just hold to a different definition of “incompetence” than you do.
I am an incompetent handyman. Just ask my wife. It’s not because I am corrupt; it’s just because I never bothered to learn the skills that a good handyman has. I’m an even more incompetent drywaller.
The difference between me and people like Paulson is that I admit it. I know my limitations, at least in the handyman world. Paulson and company proclaim they know what they are doing when they really don’t. That’s not incompetence. That’s arrogance. And stupidity.
And they got to where they were by being corrupt. Not to mention sociopathic, but that’s another story.
During my run I stopped by a friends home. He retired from the defense industry and invested in rentals. He sold the last ones this year and wanted to invest. I said why not hedge funds they are making profits he said you have to a million to get in.
The markets are so rigged for the 1% that middle income have huge disadvantage, I spoke to another guy I know a little further on the run he is a day trader and said made a nice bundle…but expects the markets are tightening.
If not insider trading, then how about a simple conspiracy to defraud? It couldn’t have been a win-win for everyone so who got screwed?
Purposely ripping people off whether it is your culture or not is corruption. We have known for decades Wall Street is running a culture of corruption. The casino is a house game. caveat emptor.
Even though I quibble over one word, good post, Dakine. Recc’d. In the end, it is only the very real effects that matter.
Well, I am also a member of the incompetent handyman club, even though I’ve actually done a small amount of carpentry and such – but, yeah, I do know my personal limitations.
And yes, the arrogance does feed into the incompetence
And sadly, very soon, people like Hank Paulson won’t have to worry about pesky people like William Black. Black can be declared a terrorist and put away, once SB 1867 becomes law.
The people who run the Corporations and decide which exotic instrument to pursue next will also be the ones who decide who is a terrorist. Are you growing marijuana and distributing it through a marijuana collective fully approved by the voters of California. Sorry! You have chosen a terrorist way of life -since that green bud you grow and the collective distributes will be a competitor to Big Pharma’s patented cannibinoids.
Of course, it is corruption. Who else benefits? Paulson and the MOTU and you and I pay the piper.
Yep, sounds spot on to me.
I really think the current economic situation ought to get more “respect” for how far and wide it’s hit.
Perhaps we could call it the “Wannabe Depression”?
Catching up, and still running.
Does it really matter whether the people running the world are incompetent or corrupt? If they’re f’ing the world over, destroying the planet, destroying economies, keeping the meltdown/cleanup attempts at Fukushima as quiet as if they’re not even happening, sending armed-to-the-teeth police forces after peaceful protestors, debating with endless and deadly wonk-wankery the fine points of how to dress up and legitimize conversations about torture—Who cares which it is, if they are running the world?!!
However—since they ARE running things, the people who run things are more than capable of stopping them. Stopping the killing, stopping the wanton destruction, stopping the torture, stopping the conversations that pretend these things are beyond anyone’s control, beyond dealing with….lo, inevitable, maybe.
But they don’t. And when people are dying, when the outrageous shit is going on that’s going on, for years and years now, it means the people running things are JERKS.
Incompetent–I don’t give a rat’s. Yeah, I guess I’m sick of hearing that. It’s just one word, but it’s had a powerful impact on the conversation about these mad-dog killers and thieves.
Jesus Christ ! We have the treasury secretary of the US leaking massively important market moving information to a bunch of hedge funders, who were also majority Goldman alums, the former criminal organization he headed. This is a fucking banana republic we live in.
The Paulson meeting is the perfect symbolic meeting of government and wall street, conspiring to steal from the rest of the population, which they do on a daily basis. The Shrub Administration was one giant looting of the US treasury, the middle class, pension funds, and anybody else who owened securities and were not in on the inside deal. From wholesale privatizations, tax cuts for the rich, tripling the defense budget, it was all a huge transfer of wealth.
I’m glad that somebody shined a light on Paulson’s activities, for once we have the mastermind of the greatest financial crime in history documented. The guy should be tried and disgorged of every last penny, and locked up with Bernie Madoff.
Given the news reports that Hank Paulson gave insider trading information to buddies before he told the world the sky would fall if taxpayers did not bail out big banks–I would say Paulson seemed to have been very competent. All that’s left would be corruption. When will Paulson and the people he gave the info. to go to jail like Marth@ Stew@rt?
Hilarious. So if it’s not incompetence you want full-blown, objective, verifiable evidence? Brother, no wonder you’re in the dark.
I think the first line was sufficient.
That’s the spirit. It matters that people be confused by this ridiculous debate and prevented from seeing this as a systemic problem, as they used to understand muc more clearly.
The FED just bailed out a bunch of big banks again. Question being, where did this money come from ? Was it from the Treasury ? If so then it was blatantly and arrogantly illegal.
Or did they just print up some virtual funny money. In which case how long will it take for some one to realize the there is absolutely nothing there to back it up.
You cannot keep doing this without bringing on massive inflation to the tune of 100% or more.
DK, love ya hoss, love all yer musings.
But I gots to disagree with ya on this one.
To me, it’s entirely clear and obvious that there’s no incompetence in what’s gone down against the middle class.
Nor in the obvious and plainly clear efforts to buy, own and control the Congress, Executive, Judiciary, MIC and every other form of elected representation from fed to state to county to city and township.
There’s NO doubt, DK, this has NOTHING to do with incompetency. Not at all.
It’s all calculated, premeditated and intentional as all hell and shit.
I hope you know this.
Oh, and it’s been SOMEwhat predictable since Reagan (CA or Pres, take yer choice).
Incompetence is the plea for mercy offered up by the corrupt when they get caught. That’s the whole story. And failure is not incompetence when you know you will get bailed out by others; that’s actually just another variety of competence.
dakine01, you are really missing the boat if you think trial and conviction will ever provide the evidence you are waiting for. The lack of trials and convictions is itself the evidence that it is all corruption, and not incompetence.
Totally agree, but as the President said, what the banksters did ” it was not illegal, just unethical” if you believe that. At the Government level corruption is expected so no punishment is expected. Just look what they did to the whistle blowers. So they all knew what was going on but chose to do nothing. Sometimes I wander what other agenda is cumming down the pike.
Hey DK,I’m afraid you believe it could be incompetence because institutional conformity makes you need to believe such rubbish.The royalist kleptocrats underwrite our system of corporate electoralism so moral hazard allows them to gamble with over 40 to1 leverage on high-risk trades because the inevitable losses that portend collapse will be shifted onto taxpayers and then as we absorb these trillions in red ink they turn our economic hardship into a cluster fuck with debt-leveraged austerity that yields the landscape for stealing our public and personal assets via privatization and deregulation..And yet you need their system to punish them ? Amazing .
I want full blown verifiable evidence so that there can be no doubt to anyone about the guilt. I recognize that there are always those nay-sayers (the 20%) who will believe what they are told or that it is all for their own good. I’m just trying to be able to show the rest of the world.