What These Things Cost
By David Glenn Cox
Whenever we attempt to evaluate things, there is price and then there is cost. The price of an item or adventure is simply the dollar amount. The cost is something greater and deeper than money alone. Students today, go into hock up to their eyeballs to obtain a college degree. They are, in effect, wagering their futures and paying the price, while the cost is paid by society as a whole if they don’t succeed.
Schoolteachers, engineers, doctors, researchers and scientists don’t just fall from the sky. These people are investing in their own futures, unsure of their own success or potential yet they are willing to accept the challenge. Each generation makes that commitment and knowledge is multiplied.
In 1903, two brothers from Ohio flew the first heavier-than-air powered aircraft and sixty-six years later men landed on the moon. That is an impressive time line, from traveling 120 feet down a beach to 238,837 miles to the lunar surface. Think of all the jobs and employment that opened up in those sixty-six years, from Orville and Wilbur Wright to Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin and millions of others. It was the fearless investment in the future that made it all possible.
During the Great Depression, the WPA built runways and landing fields. They set up navigational aids and made the airline industry possible. The airline industry fueled the need for larger and more powerful aircraft, which in turn created a need for more mechanics and pilots and air traffic controllers. From DC-3s to 747s in thirty-five years, from hundreds employed to tens of thousands employed. There was no guarantee the government money spent would return dividends, only the hopes that it would help in the future. It wasn’t money procured by special interest pressure groups. The railroads felt safe and secure, fly off in a rickety airplane versus a nice comfortable Pullman sleeping car? Don’t make me laugh!
President Kennedy made a speech in 1961 after only one American had flown in a sub-orbital space flight. The program he was proposing was incredibly expensive, $24 billion over ten years to put a man on the moon.
“We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too… Many years ago the great British explorer George Mallory, who was to die on Mount Everest, was asked why did he want to climb it. He said, ‘Because it is there.’ Well, space is there, and we’re going to climb it, and the Moon and the planets are there, and new hopes for knowledge and peace are there. And, therefore, as we set sail we ask God’s blessing on the most hazardous and dangerous and greatest adventure on which man has ever embarked.” John Kennedy
Certainly, it was an appendage of the Cold War but it was also an appendage of the technology war and the science war. At its zenith the lunar program employed four hundred thousand Americans with twenty thousand contracts and research grants to businesses and universities. In the back room behind the cameras NASA had their experts and trouble shooters, the best and the brightest and most of them still in their twenties. Mathematicians, flight systems specialists, life scientists, computer experts, all making the impossible look easy.
It all culminated in July of 1969, with the first landing on the moon. Even Jules Verne hadn’t predicted that a world audience would watch it on television live. For that one day, for 24 hours, the people back on planet Earth sat back and said, “Wow, men on the moon.” Neil and Buzz figured their landing data on a computer that weighed less than twenty pounds. They filmed their actions inside the spacecraft on a miniature video camera. Then they downloaded it to a microwave signal and sent it back to NASA from a spacecraft moving 15,000 miles per hour.
On the surface they used a miniature television camera and they attached things inside the capsule with a new device called Velcro. Their electricity on board was generated by a fuel cell and later missions even carried along an electric car. The car was equipped with its own microwave relay that beamed the signals to the lunar module and back to Earth making the lunar module a cell phone tower.
That $24 billion investment was the crucible where our modern world was created. There were no guarantees of product spin offs; no one at the time had even the slightest inkling of the computer revolution that was about to change everything. It was a blind investment into the future and a blind investment in a goal that many thought was impossible to achieve in the ten-year time line.
The payback was incalculable. The computer industry, the communications industry, the technology is everywhere and touches every life and has created millions of jobs for Americans. It created whole new industries out of thin air, so when people try to tell me that big government programs and government investment don’t work, I roll my eyes and laugh. Remember that next time you’re standing in the airport talking on your cell phone or loading your video camera or closing the Velcro strips on your lap top computer bag. The price to create these things was $24 billion but the cost was almost free.
We gained all of this; we went to the moon and we have learned a hundred times more about the universe in the last fifty years than in the previous one thousand years. We have a telescope in space placed there by a big government program that can see almost to the edge of the universe and plans are on the drawing board for a new telescope ten to twenty times more powerful, if we have the courage and wisdom to build it and launch it.
We achieved the highest technological pinnacle of human achievement and friend and foe alike marveled at our abilities. We did all of this without a gun or a bomb, without fighter planes or bombers, without threats or soldiers, without invading anyone’s territory or deploying troops.
We did these things like a farmer does, by planting seeds and trusting for a bountiful future. We have many problems today just as we had many problems in 1961. Many of our problems today are related to our energy needs. Our energy needs spill over into our environmental concerns; toxic spills and coal fires spill over into global warming. Imagine a one trillion-dollar investment over ten years for safe, clean, renewable energy. Imagine the new products undreamed of today. Imagine the jobs created and imagine the falling deficit when we no longer need to buy foreign oil.
Imagine the smaller defense budget, when we no longer need to defend the obsolete oil fields around the globe. Imagine, a thousand wind turbines where the deep-water oil drilling rigs stand today in the Gulf. Imagine cargo ships loaded with these products as exports bound for the rest of the world. Imagine a goal of energy self-sufficiency in ten years. Then imagine where we will be in the world if we don’t do these things.
The cost of the Vietnam War: $173 billion with the loss of 58,000 American lives and 350,000 casualties.
The cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan: $1,366,181,762,648 allocated with no end in sight.
Killed in Iraq, 4,801; wounded, 30,182
Killed in Afghanistan, 3,156; wounded, 5,735
This is what these things cost.



19 Comments

Well said. But now the space program would be called either needless stimulus spending or socialism. After all, if there is a demand the market, or more accurately capitalism, will provide the supply.
JFK would be laughed off the political stage today. I find that a symptom of social decline.
Great diary entry, Dave!
Highly rec’d!
Then there’s the cost to all those Vietnamese, Laotian, Cambodian, and so on civilians of having their countries wrecked by you Americans to say nothing of all the civilians killed by you Americans but those people of course not being American don’t enter into it.
The cost to peoples of those countries is of course far higher but who gives a shit about a pack of muzzy ragheads anyway?
Of course only members of the new American master race count. So it’s highly impolite of me to start the body count with the more than 500,000 Iraki children murdered by you Americans, your government, and soldiers under sanctions. To say nothing of the wholesale slaughter of civilians carried out with by your soldiers and air force during you Americans’ illegal and barbaric invasion and occupation of their country.
Well who gives a shit about brown people anyway? Certainly not you.
Then people like you wonder why amongst the rest of us the term “American” is rapidly becoming an expression of contempt.
mfi
Comrade dave really doesn’t want to be a Good German. Thanks for your assistance.
Thank you, Dave. Well thought, well written. I will carry it further.
At that time the Space Program was justified as a defense program. And as we all know defense programs can get all the money necessary.
Mark, we American’s know how to externalize costs from an outcome we want. We displace horror from our guilt pretty well as it goes for most. Yet, there are a few in this FDL crowd that still are mostly human and motivate ourselves from our core human perspective rather than a superimposed patriotic one. We do still care.
Btw, do you give us credit for anything? Said any Heil Hitlers lately?
Home run Dave. Your piece brought back to me the pins and needles of the experience hearing that “the eagle has landed”, soon followed by “one small step …”
It may be the only time in my life that I experienced exultant joy. Not just to be an American, which of course was part of it, but also a feeling of collective pride for our species. Throughout most of the world, for a brief moment, human consciousness was universally proud for all of us. Now THAT was an accomplishment.
Humanity rang some metaphysical liberty bell that day, announcing that this species at least, had arrived on a wonderfully new different plane of existence.
Why is it so damned hard to get even a semblance of a repeat performance?
It is a sad, sad comparison of the vision of JFK, and the unforgivable lack thereof of BHO.
Barack, go find that damned earth threatening asteroid and declare war on it! Maybe then we could do something meaningful again. Channelling hate into space would help.
No I don’t give you credit for something you had nothing to do with, an earlier generation of Americans are entitled to the credit for that and get it. You and your supine generation of Americans on the other hand have betrayed them and their very real sacrifices. You’ve also betrayed the coming generations of Americans. I’m not even slightly surprised you’ve tried to take undeserved credit for something you had nothing to do with.
Here’s a friendly suggestion as one of your ruling class’ new serfs there’s a taste you need to get used to. SO take that steaming pile of crap put it on a plate and tuck in.
mfi
I’m sick of people from other countries or who live in other countries grouping all Americans together into one monolithic mass as if we think the same way and are all personally and individually responsible for the actions of all American governments which we personally might have opposed in ways you probably can’t even fathom from your pub.
I don’t do that to the Irish, and neither does Daveparts or Hermit. I demand the same of you. Now. Either apologize or piss off.
Only partially correct, Keemosabe. The space program was also justified as a great human adventure, and something that could unify the planet. Ever see Star Trek?
I understand cynicism; I really do. But sometimes, I don’t know man, you’re even too cynical for me.
And how many Irish killed each other over religion for 400 years, oh ye so holier than thou?
Yes, that’s called broad-brushing. It’s totally unfair. Totally wrong. How’s it feel?
Even by your standards of thin skinned redneck stupidity that’s a remarkably obtuse comment. The wars in Ireland for the last 400 years have been native Irish (mostly Catholic) opposing the invasion and occupation of their country by (mostly Protestant).
I notice you don’t dare attack the points I made about you Americans and your genocidal wars in Vietnam and your genocidal wars against Muslims and revert to ad hominem instead.
Perhaps you should consider changing your screen name, something like “brainless barbarian”, would have the twin merits of alliteration and veracity.
mfi
I don’t give a flying fuck what you’re sick of. The rest of us are sick of your country’s vicious, illegal, barbarian wars of aggression. Your American soldiers commit one perverted war crime after another as a deliberate tactic. They are your perfect ambassadors – they’re your fellow Americans, born and raised in your country by your fellow Americans, educated and inculcated with American values in your American schools by American teachers. Their adherence to American values including hysterical overreaction to even the mildest criticism is strengthened during their basic training.
If you don’t like being lumped in with the cowardly murdering rednecks in uniform who are the embodiment of your country and its values that’s just too bad. And don’t give me that crap about how you personally “might have” opposed a particular act – come back when you can point to how people like you successfully opposed your country’s barbarism.
Daveparts litany of costs at the bottom of his posting:
Was a steaming pile of shit that made it perfectly clear he didn’t consider the civilian victims of your country’s barbarian wars of aggression even worth the minimal effort of typing in one sentence mentioning them. To hell with you both you deserve each other.
mfi
To say we hit a nerve is an understatement Barbarian.
Its clear from your diatribal attack on our American militarism that although I mentioned Hitler only as a reminder that you still exist safely in a historic timeframe that itself exists under the cloak of an umbrella of security that we Americans tax ourselves to provide for you altruistically, without direct expense other than the friendship of a trading partner; I didn’t extend an expectation of thanks on behalf of my father-in-law who was with Patton during the battle of the bulge, or my uncle who fought at Midway and Tarawa. They gave of themselves freely without expecting that citizens of your dear Ireland would forget their sacrifice so soon. Many other relations whose wars not fought for your direct behalf we’ll pass on.
Nor did I mention Hitler to evoke sympathy from a country, for my families military heritage although many Americans put great stock in that. Many stories of my families lost friend’s deaths and how they should remain remembered were told before I left to serve in keeping the USSR quiescent on your associated behalf.
Perhaps you don’t understand that we Americans embody on behalf of a valiant paternity, a reverential respect that will never die. We have a personal spiritual militaristic patriotism thats similar to the Shinto oriental religion that worships their ancestors.
If you never knew your father, I could better understand that the legacies that should imbue your existence don’t exist and therefore your intellectual capacity to love and respect outside your immediate timeline is handicapped. You have my sympathy.
I also forgive your anger for the current ineptitude the citizenry of our country has on its actions. I’m pissed too.
Are we Collectively Innocent? No. Are we Collectively Guilty? No.
markfromireland, I presume, was not educated in American schools, subjected to American propaganda 24/7/365, nurtured in our Culture.
Were he an American, which is a burden he is thankfully free of, he might find himself, like us.
I gave up one of my cherished enemies, The Evil German, with a broader understanding of what was actually happening to and within Germany. I missed my old, cherished enemy that was constructed for me, but I learned to live without him/her. My lovely, lovely enemy.
I suggest two books:
Defying Hitler, by Sebastian Haffner and The Hitler Book. by Helga Zepp LaRouche
markfromireland, being Irish, knows a far more complex history of Ireland than is generally presented here, or elsewhere. It isn’t quite so black and white. Good guy vs. Bad guy.
mfi’s point fits very well in comrade dave’s essay. Why is it not there, comrade Amerikan’s?
Lie.
That’s good because you are not entitled to expect anything for something in which you did not take part.
Bullshit they were fighting because your country was at war.
Self serving pack of lies. If you as you claim you “left to serve in keeping the USSR quiescent” then it was as a conscript. I’m not impressed by a conscript doing soft garrison duty because he’s being forced to. I do not however believe that you have ever served the USA in any military capacity whatsoever.
You might also like to note that both amongst military professionals and amongst military historians there’s general agreement that while America made a major contribution to Hitler’s defeat, the people who actually defeated him and his loathsome regime were the Soviets. Hitler lost his war in Russia – defeated, then routed, then conquered by the USSR under Stalin albeit with a lot of American help.
I am completely uninterested in your religious beliefs. Nor am I interested in or impressed by your hero worship of the pack of murderous barbarian rednecks that currently constitute your armed forces.
Project much?
Yawn.
Incidentally in a lifetime spent in the Middle East as a professional military officer I have had a lot of dealings with American Officers, NCOs, and enlisted personnel. In my experience of such people none of them would write the self-serving dilettante garbage that you have written above. The more impressive the record and the more courageous the soldier the more they are characterised by modesty when discussing either their acts or their motives. Based on my experience of genuine American military personnel I very much doubt that you have ever served in any military even in the appallingly debased military now existing in America. I have no reason whatsoever to believe that you have ever been on any military installation in any professional capacity whatsoever. Except, possibly, as a cleaner.
I see no reason whatsoever to continue to respond to somebody whom I believe on the basis of considerable experience of genuine American military personnel to be a liar.
EOD.
mfi
I routinely give thanks to God that I am not an American. I would hope that I would have the strength of character to resist the militaristic chauvinism that is the essence of what it now means to be an American. I would hope so while acknowledging that it is just a hope about a hypothetical situation.
mfi