Bill Clinton wore his centrism proudly, especially after the GOP had taken control of Congress in 1994. That’s when the former chairman of the DLC brought in Dick Morris, who persuaded him to adopt Republican policies. Clinton made no secret of his move to the right; on the contrary, he trumpeted his triangulation. In 1996 he declared that “era of big government is over,” and so it was. Most everyone to the left of, say, Jerry Falwell accepted that he was not a liberal.
Obama is another story. Although he’s every bit the neoliberal that Clinton was, although you could make the case that he’s farther to the right that Clinton, although he often goes out of his way to distance himself from liberals and liberalism, he’s nonetheless regarded as a liberal (and not just by conservatives).
Why the liberal label still adheres to this centrist is an interesting question with many possible answers—the intentional ambiguity of his messaging, the ostensible largeness of his agenda, his race, his initial opposition to the Iraq War, the spin of his supporters seeking to neutralize criticism from the left, widespread inability to understand what authentic liberalism is—but I’m more interested, and worried about, the result.
What does it matter? Why should we care that many people don’t see Obama and his policies clearly? Because liberalism will be blamed for neoliberalism’s failure.
Clinton at least had the benefit of the tech boom. No such luck for Obama, who came in to office at a time screaming out for liberalism, for deficit spending, for policies that benefited the unlucky classes at the expense of the super rich. Instead, he’s pursued policies that help Wall Street and corporate power (that’s what neoliberalism does), reversing income inequality only at the margins (that’s also what neoliberalism does.)
His policies will likely prove to be neither effective nor popular. That will be horrendous for the country in any case, but it will be even worse if people believe that it’s liberalism that had failed. Centrism in liberalism’s clothing is a beast we should all fear. It’s already doing damage. No less an Obama admirer than Nate Silver says:
Back in 2008, the smart liberal spin on "post-partisanship" — one which I frankly bought into — is that it was in part an effort to put a popular, centrist sheen on a relatively liberal agenda. Instead, as Leonhardt points out, what Obama has wound up with is an unpopular, liberal sheen on a relatively centrist agenda.
Which brings me to the health care bill. We all know that it’s not a liberal piece of legislation. Rather, it’s centrist, with liberal elements adorning the neoliberalism (or moderate Republicanism) at its core. In fact, the bill is something of a parody of liberalism, with billions of dollars being spent to prop of an ineffective system.
Yet many bill backers claim it’s a victory for liberalism on par with Medicare and Social Security. Some suggest it’s an even larger achievement than Medicare and Social Security. (This MYDD front pager says Obama has courage that LBJ and FDR lacked!) Others say the bill represents a victory over the special interests. And so on. Never mind that some of these arguments are incoherent (Jonathan Chait says the bill is both moderate Republicanism and a grand progressive achievement), they contribute to the perception that this bill is a manifestation of liberalism.
Another contributing factor is the eagerness with which most of the establishment left both claimed ownership of the bill and demonized those on the left who opposed it. If the bill had to pass, I wish it had passed over the objection of a sizable chunk of progressives. Or at least I wish their nose-holding had been more obvious. Their opposition would’ve highlighted the bill’s centrism. Instead, their loving embrace makes the bill seem much more progressive than it is.
The result of hyperbolic claims about the bill’s greatness combined with the left’s embrace of the bill is that this centrist, corporate-friendly piece of legislation will be seen as a test case for liberalism. Don’t believe me? A thought experiment: pretend that the health care bill has turned out poorly. Let’s say it didn’t hold down costs or improve care or cut the deficit. Raise your hand if you think that in response the Democratic Establishment and the corporate media would conclude that corporatism and centrism had failed. How many would argue that Obama hadn’t gone far enough and that it was now time to try single payer?
None, of course. The shapers of conventional wisdom will say that liberalism had failed, and they will have a thousand quotes from progressives to support their case.



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I’ll probably catch a lot of grief for this… but I have been asking myself whether Barack Obama would have run as a Republican, rather than as a Democrat, if he were not African-American.
That particular “calculation,” to my mind, seems to be all of a piece with his other policies and the items on his agenda, in particular his unwillingness to have past crimes and misdemeanors investigated to the full extent of the law.
Well, he could not run for the State Senate as a Republican because he needed the African-American vote there. In terms of running for anything else, he had a speech he gave in 2002.
On the general theme of this post, first eriposte was writing it years ago and second, with this Congress the things that are passed will reflect liberal goals even if every effect is not liberal. The consumer protection agency is a perfect example of a liberal goal that may not have many liberal effects. The question is how much you can trust the Republicans to freak out so much over the liberal goals that the Democrats looking reasonable and centrist is actually a good thing.
“I’ll probably catch a lot of grief for this… but I have been asking myself whether Barack Obama would have run as a Republican, rather than as a Democrat, if he were not African-American.”
First how can you speculate on a point which demands negating such an essential aspect of a person, in this case his race? But to play along, Obama was clearly brought up with a liberal-leaning education, though I’ve also read that some of that Chicago-school economic philosophy also may have made an impact along the way. But he at least on some level – if not historically speaking the most essential level – recognizes and strongly believes in the moral significance of FDR’s New Deal, of MLK’s contribution on civil rights – though he’d absolutely be to the right of MLK’s critique of Capitalism – and of LBJ’s Great Society. No he wouldn’t be a Republican, in other words. He wouldn’t need to be nor would he fit in there. Doesn’t even a quick view of the Democratic Party today show you he fits right into its center?
Look closer Barry is inside that brown skin and Barry is a white Harvard trained Corp. lawyer and PR VP. Barack is the other personality the one we elected the black Community organizer, but right now he’s only used to sell Barry’s Corp. GOP policies. This guy isn’t what he appears he’s like the 5 faces of eve.
Being a Republican was a liability in 2008.
Hence the Blue Dogs, which I count Obama one of.
The liberal brand is already ruined on the right. They associate it with naziism, marxism, communism, fabianism, and eugenics.
Better protect the progressive brand and and deliniate the differences.
KarenM: I think Obama is a crypto-republican. Barrington Chadsworth.
Well I use liberalism and progressivism interchangeably.
John Podesta (of all people) wrote an interesting account of the history of 20th century liberalism and progressivism, and the difference between the two. I hosted him on the book salon before the election:
http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/15/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-john-podesta-author-of-the-power-of-progress/
This bill is a neoliberal bastardization of a liberal solution (social safety net) to the health care problem. And they wound up at war with the accountability “progressives” (such as they are) over the corrupt neoliberalism of the bill, which they attempted to counter with claims that it was liberal (think of all the people it helps).
Social Security and Medicare may be wealth redistribution, but they don’t actively hurt the middle class they are trying to help. This bill on the other hand actively hurts the middle class for the benefit of private corporations, and uses the people that do get some help as the poster child. Without taking responsibility — or even mentioning — those who are going to be seriously negatively impacted by it.
It bears a closer resemblance to the sale of Russian assets to the oligarchs than it does to the New Deal.
Yer all over it, ma’am.
Keep it coming, it needs to be told.
And like the USSR, our oligarchy will be the straw that breaks the nations back.
I should probably write the post about the public assets this bill privatizes — it’s total shock doctrine. Especially bad is the biologics IP stuff. We’ll never get that back. It was like selling the Russian airports to the oligarchs on the cheap.
More like Gazprom.
Scandal about governance you know…
Meet the new system, as neolib as it gets.
As a proud liberal who sees the biologics IP “compromise” as a fairly wise piece of legislation, I’d really like to see that discussion. Especially if it stays clear of ad hominem attacks and truthy oversimplifications that paint one side as the epitome of evil, and the other as knights in shining armor saving damsels in distress.
P.S., no sexism intended, I just don’t know what the modern male equivalent of a “damsel in distress” might be. Maybe this?
http://videosift.com/video/Monty-Python-Swamp-Castle-What-the-curtains
Truthfully I get lost with all the “neo-liberal post modernist secular progressive” labels. Simply put, the Obama administration used private corporations to nearly achieve liberal goals (universal health care) for the benefit of the corporations and the administration. Compulsary servitude for private contribution who promises a percentage of government mandated profits are limited to benefiting the party in power.
It is an old DLC tactic to place true liberals between the hammer and anvil.
Ahem. Where, do we recall, were Larry Summers and Robert Rubin working in the ealy Nineties, again?
Jane, how do we organize and fight back effectively?
Obama is no liberal, and his policies are not liberal. When Obama’s policies start to fail, and they surely will, what will get the blame? Liberalism.
Obama, he sure is smug. He thinks he can sell us anything. I can see why. He sold us a whole bill of goods during the campaign … and he knew he would never deliver on those promises. Public option. Yep, I’m all for it. Right. Individual mandates? Obama, the campaigner, said he was against them.
What a disgusting snake oil salesman this Obama has turned out to be. And, I voted for him. And, I campaigned for him. And, I was so happy, so proud, to be part of the effort to elect him. I felt the change was coming. What a sales job.
The saddest part? I know lots of long-time democrats who are so disgusted with this health care sell-out,they will NEVER vote for Obama again. They wont even vote for any Democrat who voted for this bill.
So, Obama, and Rahm, as you travel the country trying to sell this shit bill, remember you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cant fool your base all of the time.
Well, then we won’t be his base anymore. Makes me sad too.
Jane has admitted to turning this problem around in her mind, happily for us, no? :)) I actually can’t wait to see what this scamp-like mind comes up with next. She is delightfully intelligent.
Smart she is…..but the cult of personality is a bit sickening.
I agree to the extent of cult of personality. Ms. Hamsher once attacked a comment of mine, years ago, completely out of context, so I know she’s not perfect (hurt my feelings at the time, actually.) But, goddam, she has done some pretty impressive work that’s hard to ignore. But I do reject cult of personality bullshit.
(Hi, Jane, good work in general… Is that a capitulation to COP? LOL)
“Jane, how do we organize and fight back effectively?”
we are already, we’re going to work to elect progressive Democrats, unlike those in the progressive caucus, and we’ll judge them on their promises and lofty rhetoric. We’ll send them our donations, we’ll swamp congress with phone calls and e-mails, we’re in it for next hundred years, more if necessary.
“…but you cant fool your base all of the time.”
Rahm says the base will keep on buying lesser evilism as it has nowhere else to go. I’m afraid Rahm’s got them ‘progressives’ pegged.
I agree with much of what you write, e.g., “This bill is a neoliberal bastardization of a liberal solution….” but only up to a point. Is there no historical recognition that even the liberal solutions to society’s ills, including the best the New Deal had to offer, always have been rooted in movements to their left, and even the best of these solutions have been compromises to larger or lesser degrees with the mandates of Capitalism? This is why liberal reform under our system always will be in danger of being rolled back if not completely eliminated. And today, until some very basic conditions change, getting serious reform off the ground is really not even possible. The best chance for true universal health care probably passed us by before most of us were born, some time in the 1930′s.
Well, there are different claims to labels progressive. Yes, there was in the progressive movement of the early 20th century, and you could make the case that Obama has a lot in common with them. Eric Foner does:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20100201/foner
I’d argue that Obama combines Rubinite corporate new liberalism and the kind of goo-goo progressivism that Foner talks about. In any case, as I understand it, progressive came to mean something different during the Vietnam war era, when some members of the new left adopted the label to distinguish themselves from “liberals” who supported the war, and it came back into vogue again when left-wing Dems–the netroots, among others–used to it to distinguish themselves from Rubinites and the consultant class.
I was happy enough wearing the label for a few years, but now not so much. I can’t sit comfy in the same category as Josh Marshall, Kos, Yglesias, et al.
Labels, schmabels, of course, but yeah, there needs to be framing and organizations that unite people on the left who are committed to resisting corporate domination. The New Populists? I dunno.
Except for marketing (framing) purposes, a single label does not accurately identify those people united to resist corporate domination. But populist liberal comes closest to a combination. But to rightly claim populism you have to have a widespread movement of ordinary people, but as I argue above we are nowhere near that geographically or in numbers. Markos, for example, is a self-identified libertarian Democrat and a tactician more interested in surveys and winning than in the purity of principles in any given win.
Scoop Jackson never appropriated the label of liberal; the press called him a liberal hawk–the media labeled him. And Robert Rubin never called himself a liberal either; remember the “third way”. The term “liberal” is not as tarnished as it appears — except for the stigma that thirty years of GOP propaganda has put on it. But they can stigmatize anything – liberal, progressive, netroots, blogger; stigmatization is their principle tool for separating people from voting their own interests. Just as the sucker punch of boldness, projection, obstruction, or violence is their principle tool for winning battles.
This is a great post. Thanks, David.
Thats the problem
Good comment.
I always thought progressives were further to the left than liberals.
They are about as progressive as R.M.Nixon.
I propose that he is not a centrist but that some of his policy’s are Fascist but they are being labeled as socialist by people on the right (is there really a difference in appearance between a Fascist and a Socialist-Totalitarian ?)
So in a sense, he is doing considerable damage to progressives (I don’t think conservatives can actually identify a progressive)
He’s a neoliberal. And in terms of effect, I don’t see much difference between neoliberal economics and fascism.
FDR warned us of where neoliberal policies would lead in his 1944 state of the union:
“True individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. Necessitous men are not free men. People who are hungry, people who are (and) out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.”
“if history were to repeat itself and we were to return to the so-called “normalcy” of the 1920′s — then it is certain that even though we shall have conquered our enemies on the battlefields abroad, we shall have yielded to the spirit of fascism here at home.”
Bottom line, either we increase employment to full, end the home forclosures and provide healthcare to our entire nation or we are going to go thru a very dark and violent period.
Study both fascism and neoliberalism a little bit and you’ll realize there’s a huge difference. But there’s also a connection, for sure.
In terms of effect? They sure seem very close. Perhaps more imperial rather than nationalistic. And that’s just seems like a reflection of our current corporate structure… big multinationals etc…
The impact of neoliberalism may ultimately be more far-reaching but it is functioning in the context of democratic systems which, while profoundly compromised, do not legally sanction dissent. In principle, if sometimes not in practice, dissent actually is clearly permitted e.g., our First Amendment. In many circles, without sanction, dissent is openly encouraged. More importantly, I and, I assume, you are not afraid to speak out. This website, for example, is a testament to that.
And in other countries, Bolivia for example, the neoliberal agenda has been stymied. Blood was spilled for the cause.
The point is that, for now at least, we have much more space in which to fight back than under fascism, which strikes me as having been at least as rigid politically, and in a totalitarian sense, as economically.
Yep, Obama must have been hired to end the Democratic party for good.
Because certainly the other choice we have-which actually calls itself Republican-is racist, woman hating, anti-education, anti-gay, fascist, and sometimes absolutely insane-though darn it, sometimes quite entertaining if they weren’t so goddamn scary.
It doesn’t leave us-the liberals with much choice. But I refuse to play. You couldn’t pay me to vote for Obama again.
So virtually everyone on the right hates him, progressives and liberals appear to also hate him … Isn’t there some hope somewhere in there?
This is a very important point. I’ve actually been thinking a lot about “how do we have to change the language to effectively talk about politics.”
“Left” and “right” don’t do it any more. We’re shooting past the true villains — or at least the ones with the most power.
Is there a Left in this country? Really? That’s part of the problem. The people who are painted as the leftists and socialists generally aren’t anything of the sort. Real socialists aren’t allowed anywhere near a TV camera.
When we who are liberals (and I use that term to mean “people who believe that one way of addressing society’s ills is through government”) are branded as the extremists, there really is something wrong with discourse. Changing labels won’t fix that.
I use the term “progressive” as a somewhat broader term. It’s the opposite of “conservative”, and so could sometimes apply to libertarian positions as well.
Just changing from term to the other won’t do it (not that I think that’s implied in your comment). What needs to change is the idea that what the majority of people want is somehow radical, because the people who own the TV stations and newspapers say it is.
No, there isn’t a Left in this country; it was purged during the Cold War. Of course, it was framing that resulted from the Bolshevik revolution anyway. To use it today is somewhat anachronistic.
But what was purged by the anti-Red hysteria going back to the Wilson administration was the American counterpart of the socialists and social democrats that populate the politics of many other countries.
When I use the term progressive, I mean the movement that started as a women’s movement against domestic violence and got detoured along the way by fixating on alcohol as the cause of that violence. It recovered its bearings in the women’s suffrage movement, picking up along the way the idea that good government was transparent and free of corruption. The movement was transformed as men joined in, pushing for public education, public universities, public hospitals (remember those county hospitals that were actually owned and operated by the county?), better roads, and the use of science to better society. Key terms: “social uplift” “honest government”. And the movement was such that “progressive businessman” was not an oxymoron.
When I use the term liberal, I mean the ideas of liberty going back to Thomas Paine, who saw liberty in the ability of people to govern themselves absent from tyranny. It is the strand that traces through the populism of the Jackson era (with its many atrocities), the abolition movement, the labor movement, the Civil Rights movement, the feminist movement, the LGBT rights movement. Its use of government is to use government to free citizens from the tyranny of large institutions, whether they be corporations, churches, the plantation system, unions, or government itself. It rests on notions that large institutions require the check of equally large or powerful institutions.
When I use the term “social democrat”, I mean the tradition that asserts that all large institutions can be governed on democratic principles and that all institutions have a broad social function that the government should insist be fulfilled.
When I use the term “socialist”, I mean the tradition going back to Charles Fourier, which asserts that cooperation and mutual concern are the foundations of social life and social institutions should be organized as cooperative communities that produced goods and services (such as education) cooperatively.
Karl Marx did an analysis of the economy that existed in Dickensian England. And drew some conclusions about the difficulty of implementing Fourier’s ideas in an industrial (as opposed to an agrarian) society. The geopolitics of the Russian Revolution and Cold War has so scrambled views of Marx’s thinking (both by friends and foes) that it is difficult to sort out which parts are helpful and which aren’t in both analysis and practice. Until someone can do this and successfully shed the stigma of Marxism so that he is seen as just a nineteenth century thinker, it is difficult to see how to get beyond seeing his legacy as anything but ideas that failed in their practical application in Russia, in China, in North Korea and became nothing more that a religion to gloss authoritarianism.
I mention Marx because it is the conflation of Marxism (which Marx wasn’t), social democracy, and socialism.
So what exactly is the Left? When I was growing up progressives and liberals were the center of the road (with a little trimming for segregation and Cold War rhetoric). When I was in college, there was a New Left that wound up self-immolating and a radical liberalism that wound up creating the culture of the 1970s.
Progressives are about fixing society’s ills, through government, or whatever other institution.
Liberals in a society of large institutions is about big government intervening on behalf of the “little guy” to break the tyranny of those large institutions.
Libertarians are about the illusion that the only large institution capable of tyranny is government; anyone who has worked in a large corporation with poor management knows that is not so.
Changing the terms might help only if there is a new constellation of ideas associated with it. After all, “liberal”, “social democrat”, “socialist”, “progressive”, even “conservative” once were new terms.
There is more diverse media than the corporate media. And progressives/liberals have used it to get back in the public discourse. Real socialists are not let near a TV camera but they can go viral on YouTube, propelled by Facebook and Twitter.
What we need most is to persuade a broader geography of people that progressive and liberal policies, pursued by progressive and liberal candidates, can deliver more freedom and a better life. And we need a better way of vetting unknown candidates for office to understand how far their progressive and liberal commitments really go. Try as they may, the political environment cannot be transformed from Congress or the corporate media. It is transformed by the buzz in personal networks of friends, family, neighbors, and co-workers.
lots of great great stuff in your post
“What we need most is to persuade a broader geography of people that progressive and liberal policies, pursued by progressive and liberal candidates, can deliver more freedom and a better life. ”
What we need to get them to recognize is that they already have, they are already the beneficiaries of liberal & progressive policies.
That would be a good start. People really don’t understand the bargains they are getting with their tax money.
Or how much is being squandered in the name of national security — not even considering the two wars that continue to squander tax money.
and to carry it further…..the ONLY good policies which historically have benefited society as a whole are progressive ones with roots to the left of even the most liberal – think FDR – political edifices. FDR listened to labor, but it must be known also that labor at least paid heed to its most left leaning – meaning Socialist and Anarchist – elements.
Fantastic input. Thank You.
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velvetdays stated :
“What we need to get them to recognize is that they already have, they are already the beneficiaries of liberal & progressive policies.”
I agree. Day in the Life of Joe Middle-Class Republican
By John Gray Cincinnati, Ohio was a good start
I like a lot of what you said. But with regard to your reliance on electoral politics – on just finding the right candidates – this is what we’re already doing. And it doesn’t and never will work because the problems we face are systemic. Under our system, the most charismatic progressive will be sucked in by virtue of playing politics. We need a completely new formation.
You didn’t mention the most important progressive movements in this country’s history which date back to the latter half of the 19th century, namely labor movements. And I would suggest that while social media are a potentially democratizing tool, social media may also be even more potentially dangerous as a tool of Capitalism/fascism. Is good old fashioned marching in the streets and standing up for democratic principles by marshaling its proponents en masse, face to face with its enemies not any longer the ultimate challenge? Is rebuilding unions and re-radicalizing labor, the building of which movement which would be completely justifiable – and our only hope imo – no longer possible? Or are we perhaps not as a society already too blinded by the spoils of Capitalism and of our consumer society to see?
Are we Americans any closer to knowing, to seeing that there can be no great wars to preserve Capitalism because they will be corrupt by definition. The only great war we can support is the one to kill Capitalism but I’m afraid that’s not the war most Americans will support. Very afraid.
When you have agreement with at most 13% or so of the population, you cannot successfully change the system all at once. Revolutions happen when sentiments are widespread, when there are so many people involved that the army and police join the movement. We are very far from that situation now. However with proper vigilance and accountability, electoral politics does offer an incremental way to change.
Politics of any kind involves “playing politics”; charismatic leaders in any system are liable to corruption — to selling out to the most economic, political, or culturally powerful players.
And “having a new formation” sounds suspiciously like requiring human beings who don’t act like human beings. The history of the twentieth century is that all such new formations have wound up as some form of tyranny, of which the Bush administration is the latest but not most malevolent example.
But I did. It is, at least in the US, an outgrowth of the liberal movement that seeks to free individuals from the tyranny of corporations, and one could add, plutocrats.
All technology is potentially more dangerous as a tool of Capitalism/fascism. But technology only partially shapes us. Radio was a tool of Capitalism/fascism, but it was a tool also used well by FDR to institute the New Deal.
Yes it is the ultimate challenge. And the ultimate check on power. But there are not the numbers willing to do that to make any difference, and the logistics of delivering one million or two million people to the nation’s capital are daunting. Since power within the system is so geographically diverse and its players so tightly guarded, one never gets face-to-face through large marches. One can get face-to-face only with your own representatives in Congress and only if you plan it out carefully. Face-to-face with the guys in the corner offices at the tops of buildings on Wall Street? Not in the current environment of lockdown.
Ordinary working people are not terribly interested in being “re-radicalized” or having someone with bright ideas telling them what to do. The labor movement can be re-democratized by devolving power to union locals; the problem with that is it no longer is a unified political force because locals can disagree with locals and diffuse power; it is critical problem in a society with large institutions.
In other words, “Is the situation not so far gone that we can do nothing?” I guess that consumer society includes goods like computers and the internet.
Ah, do I hear “The Internationale” playing in the background? Been tried. Failed. Time to move on to a different strategy. No Armageddon is going to settle things once and for all and relieve us of the continual struggle of politics. Nor will any one election, no matter how transformative.
119 was my reply to you but accidentally didn’t get connected to what you wrote
Thank you for such an enlightening post.
A most excellent post, TarHeelDem. Thank you for that. You’ve really got me thinking.
I’ve been thinking about this too lately. Another problem is the big government vs. small government framing. That’s wrong too.
Deregulation and privatization do not eliminate government, they only make it unaccountable. The act of governing is merely shifted from the public sector, where there’s an ethic of protection and public accountability, to the private sector, where profit is put before citizens.
So, maybe our framing should be, are you for a public-serving government, where you, the citizen, are free to voice your needs through your public servants, OR are you for corporate-run government, where you let corporations dictate to your representatives what you can and can’t do?
- Tom
Yes!!! This is an area where size truly doesn’t matter. Government must be as big as it needs to be.
Or are you for a Government that is yours, or for one that belongs to the big international corporations?
i like that framing
Thanks. It’s simple and populist.
This Diary Addresses The Neoliberal Messaging To Revise Our Present History, And Why That Messaging Itself Is To Be Feared And Fought.
I Hope All Pups And FDL Folks Will Read This, It’s Brilliant
And thanks for THIS diary, David, well done on the topic.
Between your diary, Mz. Hamsher’s ‘Veal Pen’ post earlier today, Jon Walkers post ‘Death Of The PO’ and the diary I highlight above the question of the messaging and memes to revision our reality are becoming forefront issues, and they deserve the spotlight.
Because progressives just don’t have any control or influence over the messaging, other than here in this FDL Land Of Learning, a somewhat solitary beacon of truth and reality.
And without any control of the messaging, the neoliberal revisionist memes to support the corporate forces will sway the masses, regardless of party, social class or any other factor.
Centrism? Centrism? How about fascism in liberalism’s clothing. How about right-wing, conservative, Republicanism in liberalism’s clothing.
Obama is worse than Clinton, but more importantly, he’s also worse than Bush.
Agreed, this is NOT centrism unless centrism is identified as the corporate/government fascism that exists.
This was the sixth dimension of Obama’s chess game, wasn’t it? On that board it’s all about ego, the force of personality, where we’re all great because it’s all about us. Pure politics.
Obamacare is better than Social Security and Medicare because it’s the great achievement of OUR time. It’s the same game the Bush administration played with the Iraq War. 911 was OUR Pearl Harbor; Iraq is OUR World War II, only bigger, longer, more expensive, with consequences that will reverberate for seven generations instead of only three.
It’s all about us: “this is what change looks like.”
I personally credit the cultural agenda of the far right wing to brain wash the people into believing the country is “center-right” on th way to a far right restoration of conservatism. It is not to the credit of the Democrats, Liberals or Progressives that they (we) have passively let it happen.
Now ordinary traditional Democrats are presented as far left fringe and communist while a Conservative Democrat such as Obama is considered socialist.
NPR played a clip of Obama’s speech in Iowa today and like I did with the “Decider” I had to turn the radio off. He’s nothing but a lying con artist that fancies himself a political messiah. His ego is larger than the Grand Canyon.
Another distinction is that Clinton operated at the height of the Republican Revolution.
If you’ll recall, everybody–including virtually all Democrats–was singing the praises of deregulation and free trade. Within this context, it made a certain amount of sense for Clinton to accommodate himself to his political environment,and even then, there was a multi-million-dollar smear campaign directed against him and his family. If Clinton was the corporate guy, someone forgot to tell the corporations.
Obama has no such excuses. The Republican Party was on its kness, its ideas completely discredited. Everyone was ready for what they’d asked for–substantive change–and Obama gave us more Bush II. This was a signal betrayal–like nothing Clinton ever did.
(Clinton did not continue fascist policies, hand trillions to the banks, or let war crimes fester–to mention just a few of Obama’s recent accomplishments.)
People are still grokking just how far to the right the Bamanator is. As Senator, the little guy voted for the Cheney energy bill, which no real Democrat would do. And he admires Ronald Reagan, which is highly irregular.
Phone Calls to Wall Street:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOZTldbo2Fw
Do you all recall where Rahm Emanual began in Washington?
Huh. I never realized that Rahm and Axelrod were such close friends. Axelrod is the witness on Rahm and his wifes ketuba (marriage contract) in 1994.
He also worked for Paul Simon then came on line as Clinton’s first term election campaign staff and remained in the Whitehouse through out.
You have to figure he and Axelrod are Clinton shades. I likely would have not voted for Obama had I realized he would be reliant on Emanuel. I did not vote for Clinton for the reasons recounted here.
They will be for the people for whom Obama works.
The logical failure is believing the baseless “hope” that that’s us.
Listened to Chuck Dodd saying if it weren’t for the brilliant leadership of Reid in the Senate and Pelosi in the House the “historic” health insurance giveaway wouldn’t have been possible. These bastards should make any person that still has their faculties want to puke.
Exactly, and this is why its better to have a Puke than a Conservadem in congress. This is why it’s so important to primary Harry Reid, even though he will almost certainly be replaced by a Puke.
As to the larger question of liberalism (or any of the other ism’s), the psychic split is revealed and strengthened every time one “side” not just blames the other “side,” but can’t see the larger reality that there aren’t any sides at all, just us.
Said differently, as long as we’re looking for another ism to replace the one we’ve got, we f*cked – and all we’ll end up with is full of *ism.
The revealing answers to these questions come from finding and accepting where we each have done something similar ourselves. Where have *I* been like the thing that I hate?
Inside is the only place anything changes.
Thank you, David, for this forthright explanation of where the blame will lie when this law goes awry. Casting it as a liberal takeover, or a progressive victory, will only close off actual liberal options when it fails.
Reading about the Russian oligarchs here in the comments is quite chilling.
Casting this POS as “liberal” gives Obama political cover.
Only to the flat earthers and the infotaiment industry.
(Jonathan Chait says the bill is both moderate Republicanism and a grand progressive achievement)
Whuh?
Can I too get paid to write crap like that?
I was glad to see this post. I was thinking about it just now while watching KO and it really bothered me. To be perfectly honest, if the Centrists don’t leave the Democratic party then I probably will.
I also don’t understand why Obama identifies centrist with independent. I really don’t think independents are that easily identifiable. They go right and left on different issues. That’s why they are independents.
Centrists need to stop mooching.
Reconciliation just passed
(Butler!!)
Nice try & without sarcasm, I sincerely applaud the intent here. Good so far, more, bravo, etc.
However to assert Obama is somehow “centrist” is to fail to recognize the hard right turn America has taken, if not in actual people, then, in the bazillion gazillion dollar media monopolies (all dismally similar) which shape & appear to reflect popular opinion (but in reality attempt, largely successfully, to manufacture them) together with a rightward post-911 drift & continued dumbing down of the population (No Child Left Behind victims will someday BE an entire generation- shudder).
He’s quite rightwing — CERTAINLY his “handlers” are — & the only thing preventing that from being recognized far & wee is the Xtreme nature & far rightward drift of most of the news broadcasters (I cannot bring myself to say journalists) & programming ala Overton window.
As far as the ISTS and ISMS imo the main one we should be concerned with is CORPORATIST – I mean, isn’t the terrifyingly “liberal” insurance bill essentially Mitt Romney’s plan? Yes to whoever used “oligarchy”- crony capitalism, another useful term.
The only socialism he appears to practice is privatizing profits while socializing risk.
This “health care” bill just blows my mind. I guess the only way to get any action is for companies & business to realize how great it would be for them & their bottom lines to ditch having to administer & pay their part of these err, “plans.”
The comments I find almost amusing are the ones that conclude he must be doing something right to annoy so many different “types” of people. I have to guess it’s more like an amoral corporate personhood no ideology let the I’ll try not to laugh here market sort it out sort of thing.
It’s obvious the Dems and Obama are the new Republicans. So what does that make Republicans?
Not sure, but I do know whatever they’re calling themselves they barely had to change the colors of the drapes in the White House- a rather bloody shade of reddish purple! The differences in too many ways seem minute.
Nutjobs?
we need some velvet.
some velvet revolution, maybe! heh :D
Word, fuckno.
You brought the point home. Corporatist. Since language, definitions and meanings are so … fluid these days, maybe we need to define them in modern terms. Hard to define oneself when every term has been through the mediagrinder. Am I a liberal? progressive? Maybe I’m just a non-corporatist, with once upon a socialist leanings. What ever the ism, put me on the side of by the people for the people over by the corporations (and there gov puppets) for the corporations.
Most people believe they are “right of center” because all the talking heads tell them they are–after all, it’s a right-of-center country and the majority of people don’t want to believe they’re any different than their peers, so by golly they’re sure they’re right-of-center too. Labels are all anyone believes in, because it’s easier than thinking about each issue and deciding where you stand. You know you can’t be a liberal or *gasp* a socialist, so you can discount without any thought any idea the media tells you is either of those awful things. Bah, I’d leave but no country I’d want to live in seems to be looking for an immigrant who’s 60+ years old, and thanks to the economic debacle, not particularly well fixed.
I agree with a lot of what you express here.
About the talking heads & repeaters… That’s why I don’t really think that “is our children learning” is the answer, either- that is, I doubt informing people or seeking to engage in more constructive or rational conversation is the answer (as attracted as I am to the idea or device of enlightenment as an avenue to… helping us progress down the path of enlightened public policy! heh). Changing the meme is.
For example we could pull a little Luntzian trick of the tongue & talk about the need for government to do its share & help make American business competitive by relieving the burden of employer-based health care. Give up on the whole mode of In my view, it would have the added merit of being true! How other countries enjoy a competitive advantage & how a living wage is negatively impacted & consumer power (not my favorite line, just saying) is hurt through this corporate insurance scheme. ?
An idea anyway. Cast gov’t as the slouch, gov’t as not doing it’s share.
I would reference Jon Podesta’s comments to JH in response #10….The author has pivoted to “liberalism”. He says that Obama’s considered “liberal” when he’s not. That’s true. Obama is NOT a liberal. He IS a Progressive. While “Progressives” identify with liberal-based ideology; he/she does not take the view that any given debate MUST BE DECIDED ON A ZERO-SUM BASIS (ie..if I am the “winner” then the oponent must be the “loser”)…The zero-sum argument is shared by BOTH the “far left” and the “far right”. This explains how Hamsher can team with Grover Norquist against the Senate Bill. In that instance BOTH parties (far left & far right)believe that they “lose” if the Senate bill was passed…The Progressive view is the long-view. It’s based on passing legislation that is progressively liberal. A “liberal” would dismiss that strategy as unpure. The would consider any legislation passed in that manner, as a “loss”. That explains why many here feel strongly against the POTUS and this legislation. HCR is the biggest piece of Progressive legislation passed in decades. Liberals would disagree (and cringe). Liberals want to “win”. Progressives want to make progress.
I’m a socialist, where do they fit into your post?
Okay, we are really talking different languages about what a progressive is. I spoke to someone else who said that being progressive meant “wanting the same stuff you want, equal rights for everyone and all that stuff” and then went on to say, “but I’m for getting it through progressive small steps that don’t shake up the system too much.” In other words INCREMENTALISM.
I don’t know where you guys got this idea that being progressive meant taking small steps over time each one being a progressing toward some far off goal.
I also want to challenge those who go to the History books and think the modern progressive movement is to be defined by the late 19th and early 20th Centuries progressive movements and then jump from circa 1928 to the present. This is not a good explanation for what the modern progressive movement is all about.
First I want to affirm that modern progressives (and from now on I’ll just say progressives and mean modern ones) are not Incrementalists. We are not progressives because we want to take small steps each one a little more progressing towards a vague goal. We are progressives because we are advocates of change, of progression, instead of advocates of the status quo, of regression. We want change, we want it now and we want it big.
Our progressive movement has its modern roots in the New Left of the 1960s with its call for peace, for expanded civil rights to women and against capitalism. Then in the 1970s it expanded with rights for sexual minorities and ecological concerns. It continued into the Nuclear Freeze movement and the Sanctuary Movement in the 1980s. In the 1990s the Green Party became an important focus for the movement. Then the movement became focused on anti-globalism and anti-corporatism. The WTO protests and actions in Seattle in 1999 were pivotal for the movement. Then in this century it mobilized against the Iraq War with millions in the streets.
Note that in all these cases, at least at the start, establishment Liberal politicians either opposed the progressive movement or said it was too extreme.
To me, someone who will not call herself a Liberal but only the Liberal Wing of the Liberal Wing, precisely because Liberalism is too establishment and too status quo and too incremental, it is like nails on a blackboard when someone argues that progressive means Incremental and has only a vague idea of what the goal is.
Someone said terms aren’t what matter. Maybe. But I want to be clear where I stand and what I will work for, and I don’t want to keep banging my head against a wall thinking I’m working with an ally who actually is working against me because they think progressive means incremental.
Maybe, that’s why, at least before Carter, liberals were also quite effective, while modern day progressives never appear to win anything.
The scary thing for me about Obama is that he campaigned as a reform minded liberal leaning Democrat, and once he became President he completely reversed himself to govern as someone right of center. The man’s character is dubious at best. I don’t see anyone this deceitful and apparently immature doing anything positive.
Hi fellow FDL commenters,
I’ve seen FDL site members referred to as kids (comments to other FDL stories). Any idea why? I’m 59, stumbled onto this site from a link on Common Dreams, and made it my new homepage. The content here is quite rational, I think, and if it’s a kid site, well, then the kids are quite an inspiration to me.
Talk to you later,
Antoine
I’m certain there are some young folks in here (jeez, I hope so – delurk and identify?), but this site has an august group of commenters (and posters) as well.
Hi Antoine, Some of us, at least, are quite a bit older than you are. So, where the kids come from I don’t know. Maybe it’s a rumor being spread by Rahm.
Obama will be the death of liberalism. And the joke is, he’s not a liberal – he’s a calculating megalomaniac who’s all about Obama.
Obama is certainly to the Right of Bill Clinton on nearly every domestic issues, education, reproductive choice, health care, etc.. I think the difference is when Bill ran we were still in the midst of the rise of the conservative era. So of course Clinton didn’t hide from his “centrism”, or whatever you want to call it. Today, liberals voting in the primary would have repelled a nominee who proclaimed themselves a “centrist”. However, Obama’s policy proposals throughout the campaign certainly were at least slightly to the Right of his competitors, as was his embrace of anti-choicers (including his pick to head the DNC). I frankly think as Obama said he is a “blank slate”. And, many voters just foisted their own political leanings on him. I always saw him as the Bill Bradley, change the system posture-type.
Obama = yawn – not death of liberalism- would have had to been liberal for that, for one.
Jane is right though. Left Right paradigm doesn’t really get to it anymore and I think that is because what we are dealing with is a political system so influenced by campaign money that it just doesn’t function well. Unions used to have so much clout that they pushed Democrats toward liberal economic policies, but with their dwindling numbers, we can’t really on Democrats to push for any but the most modest liberal economic policies.
As a Native American/Chicano/Military Vet, my assessment of the political arena encompasses this ‘quicky’. Take, for example, the following:
1. “confused” Conservatives
2. “regressive” Moderates and in this column, I always place the Neo-lib.
3. “aggressive” Moderates, an in this column, I always place the Center-Left.
Consequently, I advocate legislation that would prohibit the political parties from accepting the membership applications from the Bigots and the Racists. Now, if this were to come about, the B/R’s in the Democratic Party would cease to exist or would continue to wear their cammies in order to maintain their status as “regressive” moderates.
Come November, in assessing the candidates for Elective Office, my three-part Template, would easily distinguish the consummate differences among Democrats and to the point that Democratic support for the “regressive” moderate would be almost non-existent among the activists who show up at primaries and do so in large numbers. Thus, a Halter versus a Lincoln in Arkansas, does my heart good!
Jaango
Wow..the author of this post seems to get it. I for one am growing weary with the Obamites and their neo liberalism. Even an uneducated poor white trash fella like me can see through their pack of lies. Bullshit Barrack is one slick fella. I mean how the heck do you escalate two wars and get the nobel peace prize? Heck he’s slicker than that ole war crimminal Henry Kissinger. He could even show ole Slick Willy a trick or two that’s fer sure.
My dream is that one day America will wake up and turn off their televisions and take a good look around. Why between Glen Beck and Fox on the right and Rachel Maddow and her Obama cheering rhetoric on the left a feller can’t hardly get a word in edgewise bout real reform. I like to spend Sundays jawing with my buddies at the bar one on one debunking their Glen Beck conspiracy theories. I have actually found em much more receptive to new ideas than my Obamite neo liberal friends. Any real progressives out listening we all need to make a clean break from them what call themselves liberal but are in reality facists.
Please.
For close to two years Clinton Democrats tried to warn the Hopium smokers that Obama was all smoke and mirrors and for our efforts we were branded “racists” “dead enders” “bit**s”, “bitter hags” as well as “low information” voters and every vile and misogynistic name imaginable.
Many of you will roll your eyes and think “Can’t these Pumas let it go already?” No, we can’t!
We can’t forget how a presidential campaign was transformed into a cult of personality. And with the enormous help of a media turned propaganda machine. The same pundits who once fawned all over Bush and mocked Gore bow proclaimed Obama the Lightbringer.
We can’t forget that any questioning or criticism of the One was instantly met with vile accusations of “racism”. A smear meant to silence and intimidate the non kool aid drinkers.
We can’t forget how our party was hijacked by Ken Starr and Linda Tripp. Or so it seemed with all the Clinton haters using the republican handbook to smear both Clintons. And the execrable behaviour by fellow so called Democrats towards us.
We can’t forget how are votes were stolen in FL and MI. And yes, we know the shenanigans that took place in order to do that as well as the machinations to allocate more delegates per certain districts even if they had far less voters in said districts.
And no, we will never forget how after 8 years of that abomination known as the Bush/Cheney administration we TOO dreamed of a new beginning for our country and our cries that Obama would be Bush’s third term fell on deaf ears and now we have to continue to suffer another inexperienced, incompetent narcissist with daddy issues!
Clinton Democrats are DLC, and Obama has welcomed former Clintonites with open arms. This is the best Bill Clinton Sequel president the US will ever get.
He’s only allowed some FORMER Clintonites and that’s only because
a. He does’nt know how to govern.
and
b. Obama did’nt arrive in Washington with a close circle of friends who would also be competent advisors. I mean who was he going to give cabinet positions to? Valerie Jarrett? Axelrod? The Rev. Wright? Penny Pritzker?
He had no choice but to seek experienced people because clearly neither he nor his Chicago confidants have a clue. Bill Clinton he most certainly is not.
“Bill Clinton he most certainly is not.” -oh, really?
I can assure you that Buba is green with envy at the pro corporate revolution this youngling, who otherwise should be serving him coffee, is implementing.
Wow still confusing Clinton with Bush, huh?
where, in what I wrote do you see me mention Bush?
His pro corporate stance is more Bush than Clinton. Come to think of it so is position on FISA, the Patriot Act ……
Yeah when the managers of this site were tacitly if not directly supporting the Clintons and/or Edwards at the beginning of the presidential primaries. Obama is a breath of fresh competence the cLINTONS NEVER exhibited when they were holding office or when they ran for office in the last presidential election. Some ought to check back and see if some here are positing not a progressive agenda but instead are acting like a bunch of reactionaries to Obama when the fault for the lack of a public option lies squarely with Congress not Obama. Golly gee TPM reported today that the Clintons were more happy than Obama with the HRL
Haven’t read your entire back and forth but Obama backed off from the public option like a moth from a flame. This is historical fact. He NEVER fought for it in the face of Congressional resistance despite the fact that he once claimed to favor not merely a public option but single-payer.
This forum must be about asking tough questions, and the writer of the original piece has challenged liberals and progressives to do so. But you’re just defending Obama and this is a fruitless endeavor if you’re actually serious about helping a progressive agenda down the road. Or are you here to interfere with serious debate?
Aw come on. There are more people out there than just the Clintonistas.
Example: Secretary of State- Juan Cole
Example: Secretary of the Treasury- Ravi Batra
Example: Chief of Staff- Jane Hamsher
Yeah, all except the competence. Stop Blaming Bill Clinton for Obama. It’s foolish.
It is true Bill Clinton was enfeebled by the relentless GOP assaults and his own personal flaws however:
Bill Clinton had much of the same staff including Emanual. Clinton was/is a DLC conservative. I grant Hillary might have been a bit less conservative. But they are all cut from the same cloth. Had I realized Emanuel would be so influential I would not have voted for Obama for the same reasons I did not vote for Bill Clinton either time.
There is no suggestion Hillary Clinton would have conducted the wars any differently, done health care any differently and all the rest.
I beg to differ. Particularly regarding healthcare. Hillary made it very clear she supported a Public Option. There’s no way she would have signed this clusterf**k whose genesis lies with the Heritage Foundation.
I acknowledge my criticism of Bill Clinton was his Corporatist economics. The health care thing was so secretive and then so complicated (plus my memory is dim) I bow to your greater knowledge of Hillary in that area. My strongest criticism of her was/is her war policies.
John Podesta of Center for American Progress fame assembled a Democratic Government in exile, laid out and waiting for the winning candidate to plug into the position. It was built with Hillary in mind but was used for Obama.
http://www.whorunsgov.com/Profiles/John_D._Podesta
When are you going to get it? Sheesh.
We’re upset with Obama because he acts like Clinton. Arguing that you were right and we should have supported Clinton instead is nonsense.
Me: Wow, I am so upset with this root beer I got, it tastes more like a cola than I expected.
You: See! I told you that root beer was bad and you should have gotten a cola.
Me: Ah, I hate cola, remember?
No, Obama acts just like Dubya except he’s more articulate. But continue to blame Clinton for not being enough to the Left for your liking. He only gave this country 8 years of prosperity and peace (in spite of the media and a republican majority congress hounding him and blocking him at every turn). That’s something most Americans had’nt seen in a long time and certainly not since.
The prosperity was due to the dot com bubble. Clinton actually set up the problems we have now with NAFTA and repealing Glass-Steagall. Bush just made it worse.
I don’t think the folk in the Balkans or the families who lost loved ones in Somalia would say that Clinton gave us eight years of peace. Neither would the families of the half of million children who died in Iraq due to Clinton’s policies.
Clinton Democrats were given the same treatment as Constitutionalist Conservatives (who despised Bush as much as you despise Obama).
Irony Meter rating: 9 of 10
Honestly as for Obama v Clinton(s) it’s like arguing the relative merits of or lack thereof (in the case of Punch) of Punch v Judy on some level. (Though I am fonder of Judy). heh
The Democrats and Republicans are opposed to Democracy and the rule of law. What more do you need to know?
Wow, david, this is a great diary synthesizing the words of the Lake denizens and the conservative media. Thanks. (now to read the comments)
Well I do still think it’s a catchy tune but obviously things have changed a wee bit since 1917.
The main question we’re being asked to consider, as I take it, is whether or how phony liberalism poses a threat to substantive progressive, democratic change. And back to my first statement, no we’re not in a pre-revolutionary period and if incremental reform is all we can achieve now then it is what we have to take. But not without abandoning the fight for more.
No we don’t yet have the numbers (though I don’t know where you pulled your 13% from) but we would have greater numbers if more people saw through to the other side of the daunting frustration this system engenders in us and became engaged in the process rather than shrinking to armchair criticism and/or quiet desperation. By a new formation I mean systemic change whereby human being can become more, not less, human. This really was the core goal and hope of the masses in the Russian Revolution and, generations before that, in the Paris Commune, but the dream was smashed first by external, then internal forces. But I understand your taking exception to the language. Anyway, I believe systemic change is needed if democratic reform is not ultimately to be undermined.
And this is where phony liberals serve the enemies of progress more than the cause of progress. Because, as some have suggested, they compromise real progress before the fight has begun while still painting themselves as fighters for progress. In so doing they shift the entire political landscape rightward whereby any philosophically democratic proposal is then deemed to be “Socialist” or “Communist” or “Islamic” or “Fascist” (the people hurling these epithets, even the educated ones, really have no clue as to their true meaning, but to them they are all synonymous with evil). Phony liberals tacitly espouse incrementalism as a philosophy rather than accepting incremental change as a last resort after having gone for broke.
With regard to this health care reform, I fear it is a product of the former mindset, as opposed, for example, to the civil rights legislation of the mid-60′s which developed by increments but was produced out of a no-compromise mentality. Its implementation, based on clear principles and goals, clearly signaled the times were changing. And it has grown; and it, naturally, also has been attacked and circumvented in many instances but it is the law of the land, the greatest threat to which is our judicial/penal system which now incarcerates and disenfranchises black men, in particular, at alarming rates. But I’m not sure a sufficient movement or effort to build one exists with regard to cementing health care reform and, ultimately, a single-payer system as the goal.
Can we, as we could with civil rights legislation, call it a landmark bill when the only certain consequence is that the insurance companies will be making out like bandits while how it all will play out for the many of us who most need better health care – we by the tens of million – is very unclear?
On your point concerning electoral politics: “However with proper vigilance and accountability, electoral politics does offer an incremental way to change.” But the system itself militates precisely against the very vigilance and accountability which would be its check and balance. It’s a catch-22 of monumental proportions. How do we break through it? We have to be louder and tougher to be sure, but we have to first be crystal clear as to our goals. And our history, which sadly is left out of too many discussions: the main general thrust of this discussion would note that every democratic reform in our history originated on the Left!
If we want a more democratic society, we have to organize in order to create conditions where the kind of electoral choices you’d like to see are even possible. We’re nowhere near that when we have the most progressive voices in Congress backing down i.e, Kucinich, or quitting, i.e. Wexler. Those remaining e.g. Grayson, Sanders in the Senate, comprise a super-minority. I believe ultimately only a new party representing our voices will be required. The Democratic Party is not it!
And I think we on the left need to display much more solidarity with the unions, which are clearly in a state of crisis. What you wrote is true: “The labor movement can be re-democratized by devolving power to union locals; the problem with that is it no longer is a unified political force because locals can disagree with locals and diffuse power; it is critical problem in a society with large institutions” When the union leadership is as autocratic – Andy Stern! – as Henry Ford then the local must take control or even, as has happened, re-form under a new banner. An we who aren’t in unions, for the most part, are still wage-slaves and we can change that if we want to.
The poster and many commenters imagine Obama as inhabiting a space that allows ultimate policy creativity. It seems to be imagined that this “progressive” pathway was so wide open to him, and that sure success lay down that path, yet he rejected this choice because his first love was always “the Center”.
This reading of the process ignores the fact that its initial character had to unfold in the Legislative branch of our government, that key elements in both parties injected their own agendas into HCR which drastically altered its composition and trajectory, and that as Executive, Pres. Obama cannot be assigned primary responsibility for the meat part of this bill, simply because of the structural division of prerogative that limited his intervention to strategic moments in the process.
And as far as whether the act is progressive, centrist or…Blue Dog?, Or whether it is an historic policy achievement on the order of Social Security, Medicare, etc., let us consider this- since LBJ and before this achievement, what was the last indisputably progressive, enduring policy achievement that altered the infrastructure of American society? That’s right, there is none.
First, isn’t it a bit premature to suggest that the current effort at health care reform will be an enduring policy achievement? The bill, after all, has just and barely been passed. Depending on election results over the next several years, it possibly could be completely gutted.
Second, and although it wasn’t a legislative accomplishment per se, it was nonetheless a major moral cultural victory once given credence by the Supreme Court. I’m speaking of a woman’s right to choose which was given federal protection well after LBJ passed from the political scene.
As for legislative priorities limiting executive ones, of course that applies in general and may have applied here. But you really come across as a full-blown apologist for those decisions to compromise for which only Obama, himself, can take responsibility. One is the fact that his position toward reform changed over a period of just several years from espousing support for single-payer to guaranteeing a public option to endorsing an extremely compromised bill with no public option. Nobody compelled Obama to back away from the public option like a moth from a flame, as he did several months ago.
More telling is the fact that nobody compelled Obama to employ conservative people in his administration from its outset. Nothing else could have been a more ominous and reliable indicator of the types of policies we could expect from him, policies which he has unsurprisingly espoused and, now, made into law.