Sigmund Freud once mentioned the defense offered by a man who was accused by his neighbor of having returned a kettle in a damaged condition. In the first place, he had returned the kettle undamaged; in the second place it already had holes in it when he borrowed it; and in the third place, he had never borrowed it at all.
That man’s name?
Dick Cheney.
On “Morning Joe” on MSNBC on Thursday, the former Vice President claimed that the intelligence used to invade Iraq had been sound and accurate; the faulty intelligence was all Bill Clinton’s fault; the invasion didn’t do any damage but rather it was the Iraqis who damaged Iraq; and any invasion causes horrific things to happen, that just comes with the territory.
This incoherence was interspersed with gossip about Cheney’s marriage and his friends and his whole lovable social self. That lie may have overshadowed the more serious ones. When in the hell did Cheney become respectable, much less lovable? But that’s a distraction. Cheney’s crimes have long been catalogued.
Joe Scarborough began his Cheney interview by asking, not why did you commit so many crimes and abuses, but how did you, dear Dick, suffer from having the image of Darth Vader imposed on you? Cheney replies that he had fun wearing a Darth Vader mask. But listen carefully for the Freudian slip: he says he wore it in the President’s office, not the VICE President’s office.
Cheney claims he didn’t transform into Darth Vader, and of course he didn’t. Cheney was an immoral power-mad neocon for decades who consistently favored presidential prerogatives and aggressive militarism. But Cheney claims that what changed was that a terrorist act became an act of war rather than a crime. Did it do that all on its own?
Cheney slips in his usual baseless defense of torture and related abuses as having served some useful purpose. Scarborough does not follow up on that claim. Instead, he asks about Colin Powell’s comments on Cheney’s book. Nice and gossipy. But Lawrence Wilkerson’s more serious comments on the same topic, including his expression of willingness to testify against Cheney in court, go unmentioned.
Cheney then claims the Iraq lies were well-intended mistakes and basically accurate at the same time. Content with this, Scarborough focuses in on DC social scene changes over the decades. That’s journalism!
Mike Barnicle, a SERIOUS journalist, then asks Cheney if he regrets the death of a U.S. soldier in a humvee that was operating in Iraq without proper armor. This is a question along the lines of “Why did the military waste $60 billion in Iraq?” These talking heads are not 60 seconds from the topic of the lies that launched an illegal and immoral war that killed hundreds of thousands of people, almost none of them Americans, and Barnicle wants to know why the humvees weren’t better armored. Wednesday’s news of U.S. troops having murdered Iraqi children gets no mention. This is breakfast table reporting for goodness sake! And yet, even with the softball question about the humvee armor, Cheney makes excuses and points out that things like that just happen in wars.
Well, exactly. But why do the wars happen?
Finally Scarborough asks Cheney why the U.S. military invaded Iraq, and Cheney says it was the right thing to do. He paints it as defensive. We attacked an unarmed impoverished nation halfway around the globe IN DEFENSE. Cheney even regurgitates a long-debunked claim about Mohamed Atta meeting with Iraqi officials. Next, Mika Brzezinski asks Cheney about the war lies, and Cheney blames Clinton. Now, I’m no fan of Clinton, and he told plenty of his own lies and engaged in plenty of power abuses tied to wars and military actions, but the fixing of the facts around the policy on Iraq was a major operation created after Clinton was gone. On this, Scarborough and Brzezinski had no follow up questions.
Instead, Barnicle helpfully turned to the topic of moving troops early out of Afghanistan and into preparation for war in Iraq. Cheney dishonestly suggested that no troops were moved to Iraq until a year and a half later. Then Cheney claims the Iraqis are the ones who did all the damage in Iraq. And on that note, Scarborough insists on chattering about Cheney’s marriage, while Brzezinski insists on hearing about Cheney’s sedated dreams of Italian villas.
Cheney admitted in this interview that his vice presidential role was unique. But that’s not actually an argument for buying his book. It’s an argument for amending our Constitution to include a ban on vice presidents exercising executive, as opposed to legislative, power.
The trouble is that there’s little point in amending our laws until we start enforcing them. Dick Cheney is a human advertisement for the absence of the rule of law in the United States. Wilkerson thinks Cheney is bluffing because he is scared of being prosecuted. I think Cheney knows that could only happen abroad. He is safe here because the Justice Department answers to Obama, and Obama is protecting Cheney because Obama is continuing similar crimes and abuses.
If Obama were to allow Attorney General Eric Holder to enforce our laws against Dick Cheney, Obama might very well save his own electoral prospects. But he would put himself at risk of future prosecution. The question of whether we will have the rule of law becomes the question of whether Obama wants to trade four years of power for decades in prison. That’s not how it is supposed to work.



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Unfortunately, the condemnation of history will be the only price the war criminal will ever pay for his actions and because of the lack of any criminal penalties for these crimes means the next Cheney or Bush or Rumsfeld will have the cover of precedence for their abuses.
Incoherent?
Perfect for Cheney. Also he does stuff just to piss people off. Thats a great trait in a leader.
Dick Cheney: The Moral Certitude of the Immoral
When Cheney is asked a question, he answers without hesitation. The affect he aims for here is manliness, but he overshoots the mark and skids into a swamp of smug mindlessness. What we are to believe is that Cheney’s answers are so self-evident as to be obvious; the truth is that Cheney took no more time to make the decisions he now discusses than he takes to answer the interviewer’s questions. That is to say, he didn’t think at all. He is a warmongering psychopath who never conceived of a challenge he couldn’t bomb into submission …
ARTICLE:
http://beeryblog.wordpress.com/2011/08/26/dick-cheney-the-moral-certitude-of-the-immoral/
Peace With JUSTICE!
This monster is free to run around promoting his book and being interviewed by creatures who claim to be journalists. Why? Because obama, who has absolutely no integrity, wouldn’t even launch an investigation into the bush/cheney war crimes. Remember obama’s Orwellian “we must look forward, not backwards” or some such drivel.
When is someone going to take the batteries out of this warmonger?
Cheney claims he didn’t transform into Darth Vader, and of course he didn’t. Cheney was an immoral power-mad neocon for decades who consistently favored presidential prerogatives and aggressive militarism. But Cheney claims that what changed was that a terrorist act became an act of war rather than a crim
yes he was
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0213-28.htm
he did the exact same thing before, he invented a story to create war and unrest
this was a playbook he already had written, when you read that link you will be amazed to hear that was written to BEFORE we went into iraq…before
While I think Dick Cheney is a vile, reprehensible individual of low moral character, believing in his own tripe about how you can get to truth and beauty through torture, there really were WMDs in Iraq and we went to destroy them before they destroy us, I think it goes deeper. I think at the same time, he and his company (that he still owned stock in IIRC) were profiteering greatly. And all while he held public office!
You didn’t really expect a different course of action from Obama did you? His mentor in the Senate was Joe “Israel” Lieberman and his presidential hero is Reagan, who Obama credits with returning the US to stability after the “turbulence” of the 60′s and 70′s. Obama means fraud in Kenyan(obviously I made that up).
You’re going to have to produce a link to verify the presence of WMD’s in Iraq prior to the invasion, otherwise I’m calling bullshit.
I remember that like it was yesterday. That was just the first Obama disappointment I experienced. But perhaps the most painful. OUr actions were so egregious, so against everything this country stands for, that something, SOMETHING had to be done. But it wasn’t. Now that dick Cheney is going all over the country telling everybody that everything we did was OK because it was done to/against “terrorists” and anything done in the “was on terror” is justifiable.
And Obama just sits with his thumb in his ear and continues the same policies.
Of all the Americans I can think of in my 60 years, Cheney is the MOST despicable. And that lists includdes child molesters and serial killers.
Me too. The rest is true.
sorry ann, not only were there no wmd’s, cheney knew there were no womd’s, every single one of his inteligence sources told him that, when they told him there was none he told them to find them anyway
clinton and bush’s father eliminated the weapons that reagan/rumsfeld/cheney sold to saddam and they were all gone
Why can’t Deadeye just retire quitely before he buys the farm? Hasn’t he caused enough misery and pain in the world already.
Plus, ALL sources indicarted he no longer evern had the capability or resources to produce such weapons.
I know some here aren’t believers, but I am. And one of the things I believe is that Hell is knowing and understanding all of the harm you have done to others and feeling their pain. Imagine what Cheney has coming for him!
Remember when Cheney went in with Bush to discuss who should run as vice prez, and out popped — Cheney?! Bush the stupid gobbled up by Cheney the vile. We’ve paid bitterly ever since; and Cheney’s legacy goes on, and on, and on. It would be nice if the enemies Cheney created in the Bush administration and tried to vilify in his “story” would become his nemesis, and finally bring him down.
He’s been pronounced dead on several occasions and his godfather, Henry “the Original War Criminal” Kissinger, keeps having him reanimated. Now, he’s on a strict diet of brains, his only source of nourishment.
In fact, Cheney is absolutely correct. Had Clinton not induced Saddam to drop his WMD programs, the intelligence on which we invaded Iraq would have been correct.
But the war would still have been a bad idea for exactly the reasons that George H.W. Bush and Cheney pointed out in the 90s, before Cheney and Bush’s son got “oil fever.”
Reading Zinn’s Peeps History.
Cheney is pretty much par for the course for U.S. pols.
You funny. *g*
Both Cheney and Rumsfeld believe in Schmitt and Strauss’s tenet that the truth isn’t meant for everyone to know. As Rumsfeld stated at a news conference, very honestly, he was going to tell lies to the press and the American people if he thought those lies would also mislead “the enemy.”
It fits with Schmitt’s ideology put forth in Concept of the Political that there is no such thing as a meaningful difference of opinion in politics. Either people believe the things you do or they deserve no respect whatsoever. Kind of like the theory of giving no quarter in battle. If your opponent has the temerity to disagree with your position, s/he’s deserves nothing short of utter complete destruction. This is why the Republicans don’t negotiate with Democrats. They reason that if Democrats are willing to compromise, they are weak and deserve to receive nothing in return for walking away from their priniples.
Oh. You mean before Cheney had gotten the privatization of support services for the armed forces put into law and practice, ensuring a massive income stream for himself and his cronies.
I forget who it was in the cheney adminisration who said “we create our own reality” or something to that affect
Excellent piece.
In my 60 years I have not run into a more despicable character than Cheney. IMO he has no peers.
“Either people believe the things you do or they deserve no respect whatsoever”
I hadn’t heard of Schmitt or his schtick before, but this comment sure fits the Republican mindset like a glove. So much for democracy and the voice of the people.
I have to agree with carguy. Cheney’s probably the worst. Not that there were not equally egregious characters running around, but he wins the prize for most evil with most influence and most impunity. And immunity.
Mika & Joe = Pair of Empty Vessels
Yes, that too. ;-)
But what about that hopey changey thing he talked about?
You misread. She’s not saying there were WMDs in Iraq. She’s paraphrasing dick as saying that, like he said torture produces truth.
Folks have misread what Ann said. If I tweak this you’ll see (in caps).
While I think Dick Cheney is a vile, reprehensible individual of low moral character, believing in his own tripe about how you can get to truth and beauty through torture, BELIEVING there really were WMDs in Iraq and THAT we went to destroy them before they destroy us, I think it goes deeper.
Yeah, his survival through it all is kind of creepy, vampirish. Cheney the Undead who will ever be with us. Aaaargh!!
Great forgotten cineman: Telefon (1977). Wait till you see the rogue “agent” and note his timeline.
It is obvious Dick Cheney was at the center of the outing of covert CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson. He was in at the beginning (asking his CIA briefer if it was true about Iraq seeking yellow-cake uranium in Niger, which led to Joe Wilson being asked by the CIA to go over to Niger to check it out) and Cheney was in at the end (Cheney writing notations in the margins of Joe Wilson’s New York Times’ op-ed article, specifically asking about Wilson’s covert CIA agent wife, notes Cheney jotted down between when the op-ed ran and Valerie Plame Wilson’s deep cover was blown).
And still no one knows who forged false information onto stolen Niger embassy stationery, forged documents subsequently planted with the CIA station chief in Rome Italy, documents claiming to prove that Iraq sought yellow-cake uranium in Niger, a false claim sent back to CIA headquarters at Langley, which finally made it’s way into a CIA briefing given former VP Dick Cheney, and led to Joe Wilson’s fact-finding trip to Niger. Upon his return from Niger, Mr. Wilson reported back to the CIA (and therefore Dick Cheney’s office) that the veracity of the claim was highly doubtful, with Mr. Wilson not knowing at the time that the claim was based on forged documents planted with the CIA.
So, who stole, forged and planted these spurious Niger embassy documents? An Iraqi exile sympathetic to the goal of PNAC and the Bush administration, that is, invading Iraq and deposing Saddam Hussein? Someone sympathetic in Italian intelligence? At the CIA? A neo-con pal of Cheney’s traveling overseas, dropping by Italy, taking care of the task given him, stealing , forging and planting these spurious documents?
It is telling that the Bush administration (and Tenet’s CIA) sat on these forged documents for a couple of years, refusing to allow anyone else to see them, including British intelligence, until a month and a half after Bush’s January 2003 SOTU address (and the 16 words), when in early March 2003 the U.N.’s IAEA finally got to see them…and recognized almost immediately that they were forgeries. Weeks later, Bush ordered U.N. WMD inspectors out of Iraq and launched his invasion to depose Saddam Husein and claim Iraq’s oil for western oil companies..
Several months passed. No WMD was being found in Iraq, though a massive search for the “missing” Iraqi WMD was underway. Then in July 2003, Mr. Wilson wrote his op-ed debunking the Bush administration’s pre-war claims, Cheney’s office responded, and Mr. Wilson’s CIA wife’s cover was blown in retaliation. After all was said and done, it turned out that the only “mushroom cloud” was between the neo-cons’ ears and the only “smoking gun” was Dick Cheney’s smoking shotgun…with the Wilsons (and our nation) caught in a neo-con crossfire.
I dimly recall that the likely person who planted the forgeries in Italy was a Florida RNC guy that was given an ambassadorship (Austria?). Real estate developer? The article was pretty convincing as to time frame.
kj
Rove
Killers both. I can see Joe at Dicks house telling him how he killed that girl in his office one day. Dick gives out a big ol laugh and says you ain’t done nothin kid!