Two Years Ago Obama Decided Not to Prosecute Torturers
Now We Get An Account of Why
By David Swanson
If you can think back all the way to January 2009, back when wars were ending, Guantanamo was closing, the Pentagon was getting oversight, employees were going to have free choice, the rich would start paying taxes, the air would be getting cleaner, and so forth, you’ll recall that the Obama transition team was acting super populist and high-tech.
They had questions from ordinary people for the President Elect submitted on their website and voted up or down. The top question at the end of the voting had come from Bob Fertik of Democrats.com and it was this:
“Will you appoint a Special Prosecutor – ideally Patrick Fitzgerald – to independently investigate the gravest crimes of the Bush Administration, including torture and warrantless wiretapping?”
-Bob Fertik, New York City
Not only was the answer no, but it had to be inferred because President Change U. Wish refused to answer the question. I’ve always assumed I could guess why: a president wouldn’t want previous presidents subject to the rule of law, because then he would be too. Just this week I was suggesting that allowing the Justice Department to enforce laws against Cheney could save Obama’s electoral prospects at the risk of seeing Obama, too, land in prison some day. I have no doubt that this really is a factor.
However, we now have an account from someone involved in the decision process way back when. And he reports two other reasons for the decision to let all the war criminals off and devote vast energies to protecting them and covering up their crimes. The first of the two reasons is not terribly shocking: the CIA, NSA, and military would revolt if their crimes were exposed and prosecuted. This explains the cover-up portion of the past two-and-a-half years’ immunity-granting campaign particularly well. It fits with the known record, which has included seven former heads of the CIA publicly writing to President Obama to tell him not to prosecute torturers in the CIA.
The second reason, we’re now being told, was that if laws were enforced against Bush, Cheney, or their subordinates, the Republicans in Congress would retaliate by trying to block any useful piece of legislation. This is sort of morbidly funny in that the Republicans in Congress have spent the past two-and-a-half years trying to block any useful piece of legislation and many horrendous ones as well. They’ve just done it with the background hum of war criminals on promotional book tours. This explanation fits with the theme of “looking forward, not backward.” Just as House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers told us in 2008 that it was more important to elect Obama than to impeach Bush or Cheney (as if you couldn’t do both), Obama’s preference in early 2009 (and in 2008 when he had told Will Bunch the same thing) was for looking forward to the passage of hideously corporatized legislation rather than enforcing laws against anyone powerful (as if you couldn’t do both). Nonetheless, there is something jarringly pathetic about the notion that Dick Cheney is unindicted because Barack Obama was dreaming of a working relationship with the party Cheney had left behind in Washington. This shouldn’t be as jarring now as it might have seemed in 2009, however, after watching Obama “negotiate” away anything Republcans opposed in any number of areas.
So, who is the source of these belated explanations?
The Dean of the University of California at Berkeley Law School Christopher Edley, Jr. His comments will probably be showing up on video, but here is a report I was just sent by long-time peace and justice activist extraordinaire Susan Harman:
“World Can’t Wait (in orange) and I (in pink) attended a surreal panel on 9/11 today at Boalt (UC Berkeley Law School), where John Yoo teaches.
“That should be surreal enough. But (unintentionally, I think) each of the panelists mentioned one of Yoo’s policies (warrantless domestic surveillance, aggressive war, and that old favorite, torture). One even talked about the need for accountability. I felt dizzy, and could barely speak.
“I said I was overwhelmed by the surreality of Yoo being on the law faculty, and having just been appointed the new head of the sponsoring Miller Institute for Global Challenges and the Law, when he was singlehandedly responsible for the three worst policies of the Bush Adm.
“They all burbled about academic freedom and the McCarthy era, and said it isn’t their job to prosecute him.
“Duh.
“Then Dean Chris Edley volunteered that he’d been party to very high level discussions during Obama’s transition about prosecuting the criminals. He said they decided against it. I asked why. Two reasons: 1) it was thought that the CIA, NSA, and military would revolt, and 2) it was thought the Repugnants would retaliate by blocking every piece of legislation they tried to move (which, of course, they’ve done anyhow).
“Afterwards I told him that CIA friends confirmed that Obama would have been in danger, but I added that he bent over backwards to protect the criminals, and gave as an example the DoJ’s defense (state secrets) of Jeppesen (the rendition arm of Boeing) a few days after his inauguration.
“He shrugged and said they will never be prosecuted, and that sometimes politics trumps rule of law.
“It must not, I said.
“It shouldn’t, he said, and walked off.
“This is the Dean of the Berkeley School of Law.”
Another approach was taken to the divergence of official conduct from clear demands of morality by an activist at Berkeley in 1964 named Mario Savio, who said,
“There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious — makes you so sick at heart — that you can’t take part. You can’t even passively take part. And you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop. And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all.”
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Just so I’m getting this right:
Are the people Edley quoted suggesting that the CIA, NSA, and military would have staged a coup or an assassination?
Or are they suggesting that those entities would have just raised holy hell and tried to obstruct the administration?
you know exactly as much as i do
there is no suggestion that he quoted anyone
the word Susan uses, whether he did or not, is revolt
Also:
video here
David Swanson
There is another reason. Which also explains why there was no Impeachment of Bush/Cheney.
Speaker Of The House, Nancy Pelosi was in the House Intelligence Committees in 2002. In these meetings she knew about the torture. Yet said nothing.
So the Democratic Party leadership could not persue the torture issue because it could be argued that they themselves were legally complicit.
Yes. And too bad, so sad. These people took oaths. If they didn’t have the cojones to enforce the laws pertaining to their duties in congress, then they could have resigned. It’s not like they would be destitute or anything.
I am so sick of these protection rackets. Pelosi was protecting Bush and Cheney and now Obama protects Pelosi et. al. and ensures himself the freedom to play war commander too. And the next batch will be able to behave even worse.
Unless we do something about it.
So sick I cannot see straight. The hypocrisy and corruption are so thick it’s choking the life out of the country. They don’t care about the democratic vision they supposedly serve and protect IF they ever even understood it.
I want to rant and rant and rant and rant as if it would forestall the horrible truth of all of this entering the last corners of my heart and my mind.
Reader
I was very active in the Impeach For Peace Movement. In fact I was the second candidate to call for Impeaching Bush/Cheney. John Conyers was the first. Enough said there.
This whole rotten mess goes oh so much further. You see, one of the main legal arguments for Impeachment was Bush lying to Congress about the reasons to go to war. The Downing Street Memo was the smoking gun EVIDENCE of that lying to Congress, which is perjury and so by definition Impeachable.
HOWEVER, Illinois Democratic Senator Dick Durban was on the Senate Intelligence Committee. As such he knew that the Bush lies on going to war were lies. Yet instead of exposing those lies, Democrat Senator Dick Durban repeated those lies to the American public.
That and Pelosi complicity in the torture issue is why there was no Impeachment.
It has taken so damned long to have many progressives deal with that reality. Their own parties complicity.
Let us hope they all remember that. I will say it too. That included David Swanson. Hell, on these points I BEGGED David Swanson to publicly call for Obama to hold Bush Cheney accountable or loose support.
Never happened. As the saying goes. If you do not learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it.
What do the opinion polls say? I bet the polls support Obama on this. I figured Obama wanted to stop the “partisan bickering,” something a majority of Americans want. The majority got what they wanted: a president who doesn’t bicker (“no drama Obama”) and who caves on most issues for the sake of “bipartisanship.” Most Americans (like comedian Jon Stewart) are very touchy-feely and want the politicians to start holding hands like kindergarteners crossing the street. Obama is giving the public what it wants. They are adverse to adversity. I see it in the people in my world. It’s disgusting and will only lead to a bigger shit storm down the road, sooner rather than later.
What they told the transition team were excuses.
He didn’t end any of the policies besides water torture, he hid them better.
There was no danger in that.
The DoJ could’ve taken the heads, Mike Hayden, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Miller, Yoo etc. and left all the rest alone, let them come out and tell their stories and receive amnesty if they were following orders. Instead whistle blowers are targeted with zeal.
We can’t move forward until we can put the past to rest; It’s just festering. They’ve crossed the rubicon, corrupted and confused the moral lines of decency through the whole society and it’s breaking down. After you’ve engaged in an aggressive war and tortured, justified drones and remote control warfare, looting and graft, it’s only a short step to let the whole banking/financial/industrial class prey on the worker class of your own country.
Pelosi was key. Even if she didn’t know at the time it was willful avoidance. She protected Cheney and Bush from impeachment and became an enabler. Misprison of a felony is what Jonathan Turley called it.
Which is supported by what the D’s did ( did not do )after November 2006 mid-term elections.
The D Party kept telling Americans the D Party needed more Ds in Congress to unwind Iraq War/Occupation. So more Ds were elected to Congress by Americans during November 2006 elections.
What followed was a preview of what the D Party and Barack Obama did after 2008 election for the WH — with both the House and Senate under D Party control and a D POTUS in the WH.
Who took impeachment of G.W.Bush off the table in 2007?
That would be Speaker Nancy Pelosi(D).
Who said no looking back just forward after 2008? Barack Obama.
American Iraq War/Occupation was kept on same course it had been on during 2004,2005 and 2006. The D Party during 2007 and 2008 did little to unwind Iraq War/Occupation and Bush/Cheney torture/war crimes were repeatedly glossed over.
Barack Obama? Well no one on this comments thread likely needs to be brought up to date about POTUS Hope and Change.
Barack Obama validated eight years of Bush/Cheney war/occupation crimes. Even more galling is Obama ramped up Bush/Cheney policies for Iraq while expanding American aggression across Afghanistan and proceeded to unleash unrestricted Drone War on Pakistan,Yemen and played a big hand in what just befell or is falling on Libya.
Those who know some Roman Empire history regarding the role played by the Praetorian Guard in removing/replacing/placing Emperors on Rome’s throne as the Empire aged and Roman politics were done on terms of spearpoint,sword and treachery.
The Pentagon and CIA need to be taken on. The criminals brought down. Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld war crimes? Prosecuted.
The Pentagon and CIA have both become what now needs to be taken on by the U.S.Congress and White House.
The D Party has wavered,caved and waffled over and over since 2000.
The Rs are hopeless.The Ds have tendered false hope repeatedly.
Someone has to step up and do the hard political actes now required.
Who will? Those who can. Clearly Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama did not or would not or will not. Can not.
Someone is going to have to. Otherwise this toxic state of rotted politics and abuse of rule of law and abuse of power to thwart the law will keep on keeping on.
Big reveal here with this FDL diary put up by David Swanson. Recommend.
This is what I believe, also. One reason I believe it is because I believe Obama worked for the CIA, as did his mother and step-father. OK, there’s only reason to believe that Obama worked for the CIA for one year (for known CIA front, BIC). But his mother and step-father Soetoro may have been involved in spying to draw up death lists in Indonesia.
No, I don’t have smoking gun evidence, though I don’t think there’s any doubt that Obama worked for BIC. I’m relying on investigations and reporting by Wayne Madsen, who recently returned from a trip to Indonesia. Madsen, a former NSA dude, doesn’t name his sources, so can’t be verified. OTOH, given the nature of his reporting, which would put people’s lives in danger if he did name them, we are left with an unenviable choice of what to believe.
Anyway, my argument is that if Obama comes from a family drenched with the blood (and screams) of political enemies, he’s more likely not to really care, but instead consider this a price of doing the Empire’s business. By now, readers of FDL should be well aware of Obama’s ability to lie convincingly.
changed nothing for the better. gave the cia greater warmaking owers including over drone wars.
I’m sorry the republicans own the vote flipping machinery and obama was allowed to be elected because they knew he was one of them heartless bastards down inside.
If you owned the voting machinery and knew the possibility of major war crime trials would you let someone win in the Primaries (? who spoke of vast right wing conspiracies) on your machines?
obaa is a placeholder for the bush family until they off him or replace him with Jeb. They own the voting machinery and chose before we get the chance. How many beers has obama had with karl and I don’t think they get together at the local watering hole where they would blow the cover story.
Then the question is how do you elect honest politicians on a corrupt voting machinery ? They said checkmate when diebold was entrusted to run elections. Look at the newly installed Governors who act with impunity like they will never be voted out of office, knowing they own the voting machinery.
Stealing the election machinery is really a worse crime than torture.
Yes, that was the reason I always thought this was done. Not just for Pelosi, but Jane Harman and a bunch of other Blue Dogs who were complicit in this. Pelosi was covering her own ass, not Cheney’s.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/11/12/920186/-Obama-will-never-prosecute-Bush-in-order-to-protect-himself?via=user
More on Harman:
http://fromthefeverswamp.blogspot.com/2008/11/jane-harmans-complicity-in-illegal.html
Wow.
So at Berkeley, one of the most liberal activist universities in the country, we have a dean who hires a conservative complicit in war crimes, and claims politics trumps law? And they let these guys teach?!?
Like, wow.
How come either of these clowns still have jobs?
I knew there was a reason I decided not to go to study at Berkeley.
Sheesh
Yes… and also co-opted most “Democrats” who during the Bush years “claimed” they were anti-war.
I thought the truth commission idea as a kind of middle ground was a good one: no prosecutions, but a good public airing of the whole thing. The Republicans didn’t want that, either, but as some have said maybe Democrats just want the whole thing to go away, too, because of their own complicity.
I think Yoo was already a tenured professor there, and his boss has said that Yoo has the right to express his legal opinions, and that that’s all he did. He also said that Yoo is widely published, is an excellent teacher, and that his classes are well attended. (I’m not defending him, just telling you what I heard. )
I understand this. I just wonder whether any of Yoo’s students have ever considered that pursuant to the opinions that he authored that they, too, could be disappseared and tortured.
Shekissesfrogs spoke the truth:
“We can’t move forward until we can put the past to rest; It’s just festering. They’ve crossed the rubicon, corrupted and confused the moral lines of decency through the whole society and it’s breaking down. After you’ve engaged in an aggressive war and tortured, justified drones and remote control warfare, looting and graft, it’s only a short step to let the whole banking/financial/industrial class prey on the worker class of your own country.”
I agree.
This country is doomed to consume itself forever suffering the screams of the damned unless it restores Ma’at.
We are the only ones who can restore it and arguing about how to change the system from within is an utter waste of time.
October2011
Namaste
You have Chris Edley on video saying this? Because we ran into his brick wall at Berkeley trying to get a faculty review of John Yoo. I wonder if he thought the CIA was going to revolt at Boalt Hall as well.
John Yoo had tenure there before he went to work at the OLC.
His “boss” is Chris Edley.
“Apparently” if you have tenure, you can commit war crimes or be complicit in them, and they can NOT fire you.
WOW, had no idea.
What other crimes that are not prosecuted, can one get away with if someone has tenure?
How about killing children? Mass murder?
These folks need to start posting a list so us serfs can know. Because if he can kill our children as well, and still teach, I think we need to start hiding our children.
Berkley was bought out like every place else.
With these “professors”, what are the kids at Berkley learning? Fill in the blanks.
Berkley is bought like every other place. And they hire war criminals. And “apparently” if yo have tenure, you can commit all the war crimes you want, and you can’t be touched. I had no idea tenure had that power. So if I get tenure at Berkley, I can also commit war crimes, and Berkley, a bastion of anti-war it is, has no choice but to keep me on so I can teach the next generation of legal minds. Priceless.
“arguing about how to change the system from within is an utter waste of time.”
Thank you. Of course it is a waste of time. They own the place literally.
Related question (I think). This part of the report you highlight has me confused ….
Who is this quote attributed to? Susan is the one who spoke to CIA sources, right? The use of the word “danger” in context seems to indicate a physical aspect to the revolt. I’m awful curious for more details about the nature of backlash her CIA sources imagined.
Back in May of this year, as well as all the years prior we’ve been asking questions. Questions as to why Obama has left the hold overs from the Bush Administration in office. Not just the economic and others such as FCC, EPA, and all those places that matter to us, but thinking about the arrests of protesters led me back to this article:
http://markcrispinmiller.com/2011/05/why-does-karl-roves-team-of-prosecutors-still-work-at-the-doj/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NewsFromUnderground+%28News+From+Underground%29&utm_content=Twitter
Also, that remark about, “danger” confirms to me why there is such a distinct difference in Obama the campaigner and Obama the President!
The real answer is this:
1. Obama agrees with and the entire PNAC-NEOCON Agenda including Human Torture which he has himself continued, supported, and escalated since taking office.
2. Obama has no interest in the “rule of law”, government accountability, or basic civil liberties because that would potentially interfere with and disrupt his agenda (Global Warfare).
This is the guy we need to vote for: Imagine
Apparently for Yoo tenure + political connections are a perpetual”get out of jail” card.
I hope for the nation’s sake that you’re wrong about what Americans want.
You are surely right about Stewart, though.
Her CIA sources “imagined?” It sounds like things had gone past the “imagining” stage there.
presumably the CIA has plans on file, and has made a mere puppet of Obama.
The theory explains too much.
(Salon.Com, Aug. 26, 2011)
Here’s a film by Thomas A. Edison after the Galveston natural disaster on Sept. 24, 1900: “Searching Ruins on Broadway, Galveston, for Bodies.”
Up 12,000 people died in Ron Paul’s “good old days” in a natural disaster that still counts as the deadliest in American history.
So despite the fact that Ron Paul relocated from Pittsburgh, PA to Texas in 1968, is a physician supposedly under the Oath of Hippocrates, has served Galveston, TX (US Congressional District #14) since 1996 and is up for re-election in 2012, he seems to absolutely have no problem with all these deaths and even advocates again recreating the circumstances to cause the death of his own constituents in horrendous numbers given that hurricanes are an old and repeating pattern on the Gulf Coast.
http://www.bgladd.com/CaveManPlan.jpg
Do your duty you wimp arrest that WAR CRIMINAL CHENEY he has admitted to allowing water boarding which is a war crime according to the treaties this country has signed,all others can be pardoned except Bush.Failure to take action makes Obama an an aider an abettor to the crime
So, back to the important stuff:
What’s Snooki up to?
“He shrugged and said they will never be prosecuted, and that sometimes politics trumps rule of law.
“It must not, I said.
“It shouldn’t, he said, and walked off.
“This is the Dean of the Berkeley School of Law.”
………….
Perhaps Edley should be chairman of the poly. sci department.
The CIA, Zappata/Bushco, the Warren Commission and Arlen Magic Bullet Specter revolted against The Kennedy’s.
That was a revolt.
The first of the two reasons is not terribly shocking: the CIA, NSA, and military would revolt if their crimes were exposed and prosecuted.
I happened to have been at the Truman Library and Museum the other day. If memory serves me right, Truman fired a five-star general for insubordination. He must be twirling in his grave at the cowardice of the current occupant of the White House.
This guy is a graduate of Harvard Law School (and editor of the Law Review while he was there) who later taught Constitutional Law at Chicago. What a colossal fraud he is.
Perhaps Edley should be chairman of the poly. sci department.
whuh?
I wouldn’t wish that on a community college in Bumfuck Iowa.
The D Party has wavered,caved and waffled over and over since 2000.
That pathetic excuse for a party has done that since 1981 at the latest. Their cravenness has increased by an order of magnitude since 2000.
btw, I think that the majority of communities in Iowa are named ‘Bumfuck’.
fwiw.
It’s a disgrace and an embarrassment that Cheney can publicly state his conviction that torture is useful, that he supported it and still does, and that he does this with absolutely no consequences. He is essentially flouting his criminal behavior. This is one of the consequences of not looking back and trying to fix what was wrong.
President Ford pardoned Nixon after the latter’s crimes were revealed and it was evident that charges could be filed against him. Ford took a lot of heat for this and most say he lost his re-election because of that. But at least he provided some sort of meaningful reason/excuse – that the country could not handle the fallout – and the fact that Nixon needed to be pardoned reinforced that he did wrong. In other words, the President is not above the law, at least in principle.
The result with Cheney, on the other hand, is that not only has he shown he is above the law, he has changed the narrative about the country’s morals. We used to be able to say, with some pride, “The USA doesn’t torture” (as policy). We can not say that now and frankly, as a US citizen I resent that.
This also explains why Yoo continued as a tenured professor at Berkeley. Had the rule of law been affirmed, he could at least have been censured, and that *might* have been sufficient to remove him from the faculty. As it stands now though, he did nothing wrong so there is no reason to remove him.
Hey mzchief,lying and mischief are not synonomous.Ron Paul said we did fine with the national guard prior to circa 1980 when FEMA made the scene. t
Eisenhower suggested that the MIC would take control of the USG. Now the Cart leads the horse.
Obama fears the revolt.
Rethuglican holdovers, Petrayeus and Gates tell Obama to jump. Obama says, how high?
This stuff gets revealed yet calls for executing such people are considered inappropriate, bad form?
Why in the world do the masses believe that simply asking those with their boots on our necks to remove them will work?
Had the rule of law been affirmed, he could at least have been censured, and that *might* have been sufficient to remove him from the faculty. As it stands now though, he did nothing wrong so there is no reason to remove him.
Tell me that his contract doesn’t have a morals clause.
This is on Berkely for not having the balls to step up.
On the topic of torture, here’s an article on the CIA / Qaddaffi link. In a nutshell:
1) Obomba supported Libyan rebels
2) Documents show that in 2004 America used rendition (from Asia to Libya) on “the current military commander for Tripoli of Libya’s provisional government, Abdel Hakim Belhadj”
3) “A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, added: “There are lots of countries willing to take terrorists off the street who want to kill Americans.”
Maybe this has already been vetted at FDL, but… ummm… does this sound like Obomba is aiding and abetting terrorists?
Seriously though… is it possible to elect someone who will end all these wars??
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/03/us-libya-usa-cia-idUSTRE78213Y20110903
Well we wouldn’t want the CIA and the military to “revolt,” would we ? The last time they “revolted,” we had our last true, real leader shot up on the streets of Dallas. This report is just further confirmation that the CIA and the military, along with their corporate paymasters have been running the show since 1963 when they showed everyone what they could do, if they got really pissed off.
Politics trumping the rule of law is hardly news. The very notion is one of the reasons there are nine in SCOTUS instead of just one. And their too frequent individual predictability pretty much cinches it. So should there be more than nine? I don’t think so.
That aura isn’t limited to SCOTUS (i.e., not to pick just on them), but it applies just about everywhere.
There isn’t a clear line between politics and ideology, nor between those and the judiciary. It’s not too hard to back some necessary rationale into most any decision to reach a predetermined outcome and just make it fly. It doesn’t happen every time, but too often I think.
That’s my point, i.e., that his contract probably does have a morals cause, but Berkeley can’t use that because the way this went down is that Yoo can simply say he did nothing wrong, and that defense would work because essentially the government has stated he did nothing wrong. No accountability, no consequences, for him.
In that case I don’t think it’s quite as you suggest. I read that as meaning there were way too many of those folks who would resign or retire, and who weren’t even involved, and who were needed. I’m not sure that’s the case but suspect so.
Frogs… he may have ended water torture, but Obama created the first public list of Americans targeted for assassination.
With regard to hurricanes, lives are protected today more by tracking system warnings than by FEMA.
Wow. So it sounds like they were going to extraordinarily rendition him, if he didn’t play ball.
Isn’t that “special”.
Chalk one up to another corrupted “profession”. If John Yoo isn’t enough to get you going about Cal-Berkeley, North Carolina Central University (historically black) is considering a $600,000 grant from Art Pope (executive director of Americans for Prosperity and force behind Civitas and John Locke Institute) for — a constitutional law center. Faculty has yet to vote on the proposed center and there is much controversy. The fact that NCCU did not turn him down flat is instructive.
Psychologists, doctors, lawyers, of course bankers, professors — who’s next? Economists don’t count. Everyone else is as compromised as the words “job-scared employee”.
I do not doubt that certain PTB made clear their intent that things continue as they are, but I am rather certain that Barack Obama and Cass Sunstein had signalled early, as they had to the money-class, that the current “Nuvus Ordo Seclorum” would be maintained. That is precisely Obama’s “philosophy” and fear or blackmail did NOT enter into his considerations.
That a dean of a Law School does not stand against politics over-ruling the rule of law is appalling … but I doubt that many deans of American Law Schools think any differently, and I say that upon observing the “product” such “schools” release upon society, most intent, apparently, on using the law to destroy … the law.
The second “reason” is blatant hypocrisy, as the “differences” between the two “ends” of the same party are merely cunningly contrived to appear different; one resembles the ass of an elephant and the other the ass of an ass.
DW
Why does the United States go to such extreme lengths to protect the rights of the speakers of hate and go to such extreme lengths to silence the rights of speakers for peace?
He who has the most guns…er, I mean toys, wins.
…rotten to the fucking core. I’m surprised the physical pages of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence don’t spontaneously burst into flames out of shame and disgust.
You’re right about Obama.
It was clear from the very first debate that Obama would campaign pubicly against Bush’s unitary presidency while really wanting him to grab more and more powers for him (Obama) to have when he took office. (Actually, it was clear before that to the Black Agenda, but who had heard of them or Obama back then?)
How does one obtain permission to repost this? I think this is a great piece of reportage and would like to spread it around. I can’t find a utility for messaging other members here to ask permission.
Do you mean Black Agenda Report, Michael?
Indeed, I only came to learn of them AFTER Obama had been elected, when it soon became apparent to me that he had no interest in governing for the benefit of the people but ONLY for the status quo and the continuing use of secrecy and violence to further the ends of money and power, of unfettered greed and unlimited power …
Which all of his most serious actions have furthered, supported, and greatly expanded.
DW
Use of measured years/decades can be/is very arbitrary but does help keep point(s) within range for general comments placed on comments threads of politics websites like FDL/Dkos.
!970′s — about who lost Vietnam?D POTUS who wore a sweater
1980′s — about Evil Empire/AM for America?,Reaganism,rayguns
1990′s — The Peace Dividend,PNAC,Bill and triangle politics
2000 — Bush/Cheney “won the WH”?,more PNAC,GWOT,war crimes
Albeit crude and done with crude measuring and cutting the above are examples of Decade By Decade sifting and sorting. Is it WikiPedia complete? No. For basic framing purposes? Close.
Just went back to 2000 for this comment for this FDL thread.
Agree with your premise TmmT — :-)
I think you owe Swanson an apology.
What to Ask Eric Holder
By dswanson – Posted on 12 January 2009
http://davidswanson.org/node/1599
Related… online book:
The Taking Of America, 1-2-3, Richard E. Sprague
That’s who, DW. I ran across them and Glen Ford when I was feeling very lonely in my attitude towards Obama. They had him nailed…and I felt much better. Gotta say…obama didn’t disappoint. He’s come through with flying colors, and exceeded my expectations. I couldn’t have imagined the exultations of depravity he is capable of.
He got sinecures from Clinton and Obama. It’s not like he earn his position the hard way, is it?
Instead of viewing the decision not to prosecute in the torture and surveillance matters because of a probable revolt of some sort by the the intelligence and military I think a better or equally good explanation is there was nobody in the Beltway to even begin to carry out such a thing. It was simply impossible functionally to do it.
Every single high and mid level policy person in the Administration, titled or otherwise is of necessity already a Beltway insider or someone who has been on the edge of the inside and wants in.
The same thing applies in the financial realm.
Only true outsiders would or could possibly take on insiders but outsiders are outsiders and that is that. No outsider can make
Instead of viewing the decision not to prosecute in the torture and surveillance matters because of a probable revolt of some sort by the the intelligence and military I think a better or equally good explanation is there was nobody in the Beltway to even begin to carry out such a thing. It was simply impossible functionally to do it.
Every single high and mid level policy person in the Administration, titled or otherwise, is of necessity already a Beltway insider or someone who has been on the edge of the inside and wants in.
The same thing applies in the financial realm.
Only true outsiders would or could possibly take on insiders but outsiders are outsiders and that is that.
Well I admit this is poorly stated but let me extend a bit more. If Obama had the slightest inkling to bring in true outsiders to the inside with him, he would not have been nominated much less elected. Do you get my drift?
Yes and hell no. Yes advanced tracking systems save lives, no doubt, but after the colossal mess of Katrina, FEMA has learned a few things.
FEMA hands out bottled water, not everyone is on city water. They hand out checks that keep contractors interested in jobs, while people are waiting for insurance payouts (and keeps them from needing to take out subprime mortgages to cover the difference-only because these repairs need to be done NOW, not in two or more months, when the insurance companies get around to sending out checks) and they fix damaged infrastructure without the need for political bickering (hello emergency vehicles can get through). They also hand out generators and things like chain saws. Some people would die, waiting for the utility companies to turn their services on, without generators, and many more people would pay outrages fees for tree removal (2k plus for a live oak) without $100 in chain saws. FEMA does get a few things right.
I am with you for that October link. But I no longer use facebook..it is just one more infiltration, one more way to spy. I am not paranoid, I just have read too much that informs me. I only briefly looked. I will go back when I have time.
here is my email maxbunko at gmail dot com.
It is time to fight back in any way we can short of violence. I think of that line in Shakespeare..is it Shylock who says, if that’s the law then the law is an ass.
I say yes it is because it is now crooked and the fix is in for those that have.
Well, that is the very clear example of why letting crimes, like the Bush-era abuses, go unpunished leads to the systemic rotting away of accountability in our entire culture.
Exactly. It’s the ripple effect outwards into our general culture from not holding the leaders accountable.
The Bush Admin not being held accountable leads to everyone who advised them not being held accountable. Those people contentedly return to our midst, having payed not any price for having contributed to robbing us of “the U.S.A. does not torture” moral high-ground.
It’s a cancer that goes untreated, being allowed to spread and infect subsystems of the overall system.
I am so sick and tired of it all. Has anyone here ever had the experience of almost drowning as I have. That is water boarding, the terror is unimaginable. Or maybe running electricity to your balls and much worse. The fucks deserve the absolute worst for what they have done. The more I type the angrier I get lol.
I’ll end with this, I hold myself in honor I cannot hurt another even when I want to. I fall down a lot but that is my road. The road to emphatic humanity. Overcoming our base selves. I am just another bozo on the bus or a semi retired asshole heh. Nothing special. You all here are wonderful people and I respect you all.
Thank you for the post.
I got to speak with a survivor of that disaster who evacuated herself and her toddler in the day. There were no tracking systems to warn. There were no helicopter airlifts. There were no care packages of food, blankets, dry clothes, emergency lighting and containers of safe drinking water. There was no before, during and after emergency support. Folks were on their own. They were on foot, on horse back or used a train. There were some folks with Model Ts on the dirt roads. These two survivors moved away from the site inland as fast as the transportation of the day could take them and that was by train. The adult used knowledge of weather patterns to realize the need and timing for evacuate which people today have no idea how to do. She and the other surviving adults inland still had to stand at the highest point of a ranch house with flood waters above their shoulders as they held the toddler above them. As the adults got tired they’d pass the baby to the next person. So, this is what Ron Paul said he believes we all should be subjected? And he is a government official representing Galveston?
He didn’t prosecute torture because he wants to keep that option open for himself. Too bad we can’t use it on him and bush.
American christianity at it’s finest. I wonder if that’s the way to gain leverage. What if everyone skipped church for a few weeks? Boycott the churches. It would probably scare the shit out ‘em.
Um, the National Guard isn’t in the US so they can’t help out in case of an emergency. Instead, they’re in the Middle East serving multiple and extended tours of duty along with the military which are experiencing high suicide rates. There were five military suicides at Fort Lewis in July 2011 alone.
what would the pederasts and their servants do then. The vampires would starve poor things…bless their little hearts no more rosebuds for you.
There you go: straight-up proof. A whole country run solely for the benefit of economic elites, spooks and generals. Just like any banana republic.
In answer to your question: No, it is not possible to elect anyone who will end these wars. If we did, they’d kill him or her.
I too believe much more happened in Nov 1963, and the nation buried it’s head in the sand, just as we are with our ‘rendition’ policies…It is one thing to promote imperialism over a representational republic, quite another to do it brutally.We will now consume ourselves, that is how it has worked in the past.
And now Reuters is reporting that the Obama-supported, new Libyan Rebel commander of Tripoli is denying any formal relationship with Al Qaida… and this is the same guy who underwent Bush rendition from Malaysia to Libya due to his association with Al Qaida.
Is there any mechanism in place to compel an investigation? Who has authority to create a grand jury? Does a federal judge have the power?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/03/us-libya-islamist-idUSTRE7821WC20110903
I think that Obama went along with the torture, etc. because he was already on board. No threat of assassination necessary. That threat was carried out, in broad daylight, in 1963. The rules were established then. When Carter tried to get rid of some of the more obnoxious CIA operatives he was unceremoniously pushed out. Evidence suggests that Nixon met a similar fate.
We aren’t really a democracy anymore. We have more say about who quarterbacks our favorite team.
Mario Savio is gone but his words live on. The Free Speech Movement at Berkley is long gone but there is much to be learned from studying the people’s history of the 1960s. Talk to those who were there. They are older than most of you. Seek them out and learn the lessons of the people’s triumphs and mistakes of the past.
We need to learn from the mistakes of others because there is not enough time in a life to make them all yourself. This is a profound truth in the arena of social/political change.
The first duty of a president is to enforce the laws of the land.
Nothing was gained and much was lost by not prosecuting the crimes and driving the criminals out of the CIA, NSA and military and into federal prisons.
Obama is a corrupt con artist who is really protecting his own ass by setting the precedent that government officials are above the law.
Just as lawmakers use the old “wink and a nod” when awarding political favors to big campaign donors, judges use the “rule of law” to award political favors to the big donors to their political parties. The result is that our laws and our courts go to the highest bidder. This is what passes for democracy and justice in a capitalist society that doesn’t have publically funded elections. Until the money is taken out of politics, its only gonna get worse.
because money is the root of all evil
It is in his blood. Chicago’s elite Dems have a culture of covering for state-sponsored torture.
Keep in mind that Radovan Karadzic was a psychologist; Stalin a seminarian; Franjo Tudjman a history professor. Slobodan Milosivic was a lawyer as was Robbespierre and many on the Committee of Public Safety. Academia promotes one of the worst byzantine cultures, and opportunistic sociopaths abound. Forget all of the hallowed halls shit. Some of the worst monsters in history have been academics – or lawyers :)
My take: Obama’s a party aparatchik. No bold ideas; no hope and change; he’s attractive enough, eloquent, and personable. In the minds of the party, “he will do.” He simply wants to promote the power of the party – however that comes about (a re-interpretation of the “no red, no blue america” speech.)
The narrative: He telegraphs to the economic elites that they will lose nothing in voting for a Dem – as evinced by his halting his election campaign to whip for a bail out. And voila is elected. The party, sick of losing out to the repugs, realizes that campaign contributions that win elections come from the moneyed classes, and decided to horn-in on the republican electorate. That means conservative economics, foreign policy, and domestic policy. They are moving the party to the right – permanently. That takes time, so they have to ‘fold’ to the right year after year, to prove their credentials. That leaves repugs with no place to go but to the land of bat-shit crazy social policies – which don’t count for shit to those with money. It also leaves the left without any representation what-so-ever. The mid-term ’10 elections were just part of the price of moving to the right. If he can convince rational-conservative america that he is all for them, he and the Dems will now own most of the repug constituency, with no major challengers from left or right. The initial threat from the CIA/Military is just a reflection of worry-worts that didn’t understand how safe they were.
Dont discount dis-info ‘Poor President Obama couldn’t do anything progressive a’cause the CIA was gonna git him!’
There was another reason. Would have been too much drama. Don’t you care if the President sleeps soundly?
Thank you, David Swanson.