Hi. You’re beautiful. And I don’t give a damn who you’re voting for.
Seriously?
Which part?
You don’t give a damn who I’m voting for?
I swear on the Fourth Amendment.
We don’t have that amendment anymore.
You know that?
Yes. What’s the catch? Which hack are you hocking?
None of them. I’m serious.
For real? What planet are you from? Scratch that. Will you marry me and what planet are you from?
I’m not entirely sure.
Which part?
I’m not sure what planet I’m from, and of course I’ll marry you. Now I do want to ask you one thing.
I knew it! I want a prenuptial agreement.
No. No. I want to tell you something about me and ask you if you can understand it. I want to know if you can understand why I’m not voting for Obama.
But I don’t care why.
You don’t?
OK, let me guess. He’s less evil than Romney but less evil is still evil, and you don’t want to be evil, and you just haven’t managed to grasp that the more evil candidate is even more evil?
Good guess, but … completely wrong. You have to remember here that I’m not a blithering idiot. I know it’s hard, but try. In fact, I’m willing to suggest that lesser evilism is a truism, requiring exactly zero cerebral exertion to comprehend. The more evil candidate will do more evil. Got it. But I’m still not voting for the less evil one.
OK, I have another guess.
I’m listening.
You want the more evil candidate to win because you imagine it will create the sort of mass resistance that will turn the country completely around, whereas the less evil guy will just keep boiling us slowly like frogs.
Now that’s slander.
How can it be slander when it’s a guess?
Of the frogs, I mean. If you heat a pot the frog jumps out, and if you drop him in an already boiling pot he cooks. It’s all backwards because frogs are just not as stupid as humans. We like to imagine . . .
So you DO want to make Romney president!
No. I do not want to make Romney president. Not to create mass resistance. Not to make it easier for President Hillary to put the final nail in our national coffin four years hence. Not because I’m mad at Obama and he hurt my wittle feelings. Not for any reason.
OK, I’ve got it.
You’ve got it?
Yeah, you’re not going to vote at all because that way you’re sending a message to the whole corrupt system that it sucks and you don’t.
Um, we’ve got almost 100 million people trying that, and it hasn’t sent anybody so much as a postcard yet.
All right. Let me think.
By all means. I’m not the thought police.
I’m thinking.
I can see that.
OK. This is it. You believe that Jill Stein or Rocky Anderson or some other hopeless candidate is our last true hope. You think they can win, or could theoretically win, or might begin to build a party that could theoretically someday win, or something like that.
That’s five guesses.
We don’t waste time in swing states.
Well, they’re all wrong. They’re so far off Diebold couldn’t count them. They’re not in the same ballpark. Those guesses are about as close to right as …
OK, so this isn’t fair, because the answer is some crazy thing having to do with that other planet you’re from or something. It’s not fair unless it’s something I know about.
You know about it.
Yeah, well, I call.
Are we playing poker?
Yeah, and I call. What have you got?
What are we playing for?
Beer.
Beer? Are you, or are you not, better off than you were four beers ago?
I am.
All right. Here’s the deal.
It’s too late to deal. I call.
All right. All right. You know how we’re always supposed to vote for the lesser evil candidate, but then four years later they’re both more evil?
I guess.
You know how last time the lesser evil candidate was for taxing the rich and ending wars and fixing NAFTA and restoring the rule of law and protecting civil liberties and tackling climate change and passing the Employee Free Choice Act, and this time the lesser evil candidate is for cutting Social Security and Medicare and spying without warrants and letting the CIA and Special Forces kill people every day and expanding NAFTA to the whole damn world and establishing an assassination program for men women and children and imprisoning people forever without charge or trial and drilling more oil?
Well, yeah, when you put it that way.
No, I’m not putting it that way. Remember, I’m agreeing that the more evil guy is more evil. We’ve been there, done that, right?
Right, so … ?
OK, so if we vote for the lesser evil guy every time but then the two choices are both more evil, there must be something else we should be doing. And I have an idea what it is. And we can’t do it if we’re doing lesser evil voting. So, I don’t want Obama to win. I don’t want Romney to win. I don’t imagine that Stein or Anderson can win. I don’t think the outcome of the election can send a message. I’m not interested in the outcome at all, because I’m more interested in whether the people of this country are doing this other thing I have in mind, and it just so happens that the only way they can do it is if they are the kind of people who vote for Stein or Anderson.
So, you want Jill Stein or Rocky Anderson?
No. I voted for Stein. Anderson is great too. I don’t give a rat’s derriere whether they get 1% or 20%, except as a side effect. I’m not interested in them, although I like them both. I’m interested in the millions of people who are going to vote or not vote and in what kind of people they are.
Who cares what kind of people they are if Romney ruins their country.
He can’t. He can’t do it if they’re the kind of people I have in mind. And either Obama or Romney will do it, perhaps at slightly different speeds, if people allow them to.
I don’t understand.
OK, well, let me try to explain. It’s hard to put into a sound byte. Change comes from broad-based popular movements that impact the entire culture. This is how we got civil and political rights, how we got workplace rights and environmental protections — such as they are. Everything worth achieving has been achieved by educating, organizing, inspiring, and pressuring the government, and not by picking the right portion of the government to reelect, cheer for, and withhold all criticism from. Now, you can say you want to vote for the lesser evil person while simultaneously protesting him, but it doesn’t work that way. Most people’s minds and most popular organizations devote themselves to lesser evilism on a permanent basis, not just the week of an election. Obama in 2009 told the big environmentalist groups not to talk about climate change, and most of them haven’t mentioned it since, even in the midst of a hurricane. One group mentioned it and declared that the tar sands pipeline would be Obama’s test, but the price for failing the test is having that group and its members vote for Obama’s reelection a little less cheerfully. Obama told the unions and advocacy groups not to say “single-payer healthcare” and they obeyed, forbidding mention of it at their rallies, asking instead for a mysterious “public option” that was then of course denied them. You’d think it would be hard for people to sell out this way, especially in non-election years, but they help themselves along by the art of selective information consumption. Most — not all, but most — Obama voters have managed not to know about drone wars or kill lists or the Trans-Pacific Partnership. And, of course, it’s extra hard to engage in serious activism while unaware what’s going on. By activism I mean educating, organizing, rallying, marching, lobbying, reporting, editorializing, inspiring, blockading, boycotting, interrupting, mocking, replacing, and nonviolently resisting evil policies in the thousands and thousands of ways available to nonviolent activists. Someone said to me yesterday: “But Martin Luther King Jr. didn’t start a third party.” Of course he didn’t. Neither am I. I wouldn’t have wanted him to. I wouldn’t want you to. But he also didn’t sell out to an existing party. He didn’t endorse and campaign for candidates. He didn’t tell anyone that voting was the only tool available, because — of course — voting comes far down the list of tools that have proven effective through history. And when the voting system is as corrupted as ours is now, the only way to render it even more useless is to promise half the candidates that you will strive to annoy them throughout their terms but never ever vote against them (unless it’s in a non-swing-state and in small enough numbers not to matter), and if they’ll let you come to meetings at the White House you’ll see what you can do about not annoying them either. Latinos threatened not to vote for Obama and won some immigration reforms. Labor unions threatened to bend over, and Obama kicked their ass. Is this beginning to make sense?
So, you think activism is more important than elections and you really mean it? So when elections get in the way of activism you want people to change their electoral behavior in whatever way will make them better activists, regardless of what happens in the election?
Exactly! Is that marriage thing still on the table?
Uh huh. You know what I was thinking?
No.
Remember when the peace movement was big several years ago? I mean, not super big, but big enough to be noticed?
Yeah.
And then the Democrats came into Congress and into the White House, and it dried up, right?
Yeah.
Well, what if it hadn’t? What if it had kept growing? What if everything that went into electing Obama the first time had gone into the peace movement? What if the Nobel Committee in its infinite wisdom had given a peace prize to the peace movement? What if the peace movement had a billion dollars and a gazillion volunteer hours to work with? Wouldn’t that have been worth more than having Obama instead of McCain? Wouldn’t that have made both McCain and Obama better or replaced them with better people and led to a choice anyway of the lesser evil candidate who would have been even less evil? Or if it didn’t, but the movement continued to grow, wouldn’t it stand a chance of turning things dramatically around in the coming years, unlike Dr. 47% or Captain Drone Warrior if left to their own devices?
You actually understand this! Now I have to ask what planet you are from.
No, let me ask you something.
OK.
Did you call this “Swing State Pickup Lines” because “Why Can’t You Morons Get This Stuff Through Your Thick Skulls” sounded less attractive?
Maybe.



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Rec’d.
(OT – can we start a dating service for the sliver of folks who comprehend? Can’t count how many dates -or potential dates – have been scuttled here by (even liberal) political stupidity.)
nicely done.
Morons? Thick skulls? Praise TBoww! I know exactly who you’re talking about.
Bingo. The organizations in the veal pen were worse than useless. They demoralized and confused their members when it became clear they had no impact. A demoralized and confused bunch of people do not make a strong political movement. A group of people willing to stand up and refuse to be conned by the PTB, do.
It’s a damned shame you didn’t turn this into an Xtranormal video, Dave Swanson. Would that there were time to! It’d go viral.
Quibble: loads of the Notables who list some OBomba evilism *then* tell us to vote for him cuz…only the Dems will give us some imagined seat at the table later…also say we should bust his chops with Excellent Activism to make that so. Wrong.
Once elected, he’ll have mandate to move further into a police state, *more* of champion of multinationals and Wall Street, frackin’ and drillin’.
And one question: where did the meme come from that Latinos indicated that they might bail on him, and led to the Baby Dream EO?
Amen.
Amen to you, too.
For instance, all that excellent Occupy activism that was SO encouraged and put to SUCH good use by Obama.
Aaaaand…he loved us so much he borrowed the meme! I get calls for him saying, ‘This is the 99% calling!’ in these nasty chipper voices. MoveOn, OFA, who cares? Him using it is so mind-jarring.
I was gonna ask on freemen’s thread if a person had to have a penis to not be considered a voyeur there. ;o) Also, did you want my email, even to find other denizens’ emails if they were agreeable? If so, and you didn’t get it the nine other times I gave it to you, come on my next post, I’ll give it to you, then delete. I just can’t do that on other people’s posts, so I use on of my Posterouseses…es. ;o)
you should certainly feel free to make this a video
you don’t think he was afraid of Latinos bailing on him?
If it looks like I’d have time to learn the Xtranormal instructions, or if someone else could help me, and *if* there would be time to make a difference before the election, I just might. You don’t have folks that could help? I won’t make the various excuses for myself…but I will check back. I could grab the youtube page instructions. (I’m partial to the bears, myself.)
I’ve seen zero evidence of any serious threats to him from Latinos. I do know that AZ has been very busy registering new Latino voters, but when I’ve asked jaango who’s written about it whether they all registered Dem, he hasn’t said.
I just can’t imagine that major and growing potential base would have considered any other party. I would, however, be interested if anyone else has evidence to support any implied vote withholding. The gay community certainly did, and it helped. But they have bucks, not just votes, so…that’s a large difference.
OBomba gave Latinos Sotomayor and the mini-Dream. Must have been enough, at least to hear them talk. Blacks got screwed, and still seem to stick with him and Dems like glue. The folks at BAR are incredulous, or were, at any rate. People are beginning to poke into the psychology under the hood, and make conclusions.
Anyhoo, I’ll try to be back, but I may not be the one to do this, not that I wouldn’t have loved to see it out there, Dave Swanson. It, and what your write and stand for…are wonderful.
Just in case we don’t connect, and you have some folks who could help (who can type and grok tech far better than I), this is the place to sign up and receive instructions.
This one is one of my faves. Other good uns are on quantitative easings, a number of other fun ones.
IMHO, Kevin did a far superior job here: The Problem with ‘Safe State’ Strategies or Strategic Voting
Then, I think it’s absolutely critical that you argue that the vote totals that Stein/Romney get on Tuesday are the FIRST action in the 2014 P-R-I-M-A-R-Y races in HEAVY D+ districts. That’s where prog/libs/greens have leverage, because ad rates and turnout are lower. Those districts are the heart the Democratic party and the embryo of any future Green party. You need to lay out that a vote for Stein/Romney is decent risk, because it LEADS to something. I would encourage you to consider that insulting those of us who have more respect for the darker side of human nature may not be your best approach. Read Bonhoeffer’sLetters from Prison. The Gestapo killed him 23 days before Germany surrendered.
Your failure to even address voter suppression, that would take place under a Romney administration, but not under Obama and the Dems is a mistake. The Dems especially fear voter suppression and they will exert pressure on Obama on that issue. You need to address it.
You can’t argue the sky-is-falling and then expect reasonable people in swing states not to think we’re at a Weimar moment.
If you want me voting for Stein on Tuesday, you have to LESSEN my fears about the rule of law, suppression of the votes of the poor and elderly, and suppression of acts of civil disobedience. You have to persuade me that what’s left of the Judicial branch will protect civil liberties for the next two years, until a Green/3rd party can gain electoral power in heavy D+ districts. The more comfortable I am that the sky isn’t falling, at least right now, the more willing I am to take the risk of voting for Stein/Romney.
When you say “have folks” are you imagining employees or interns or something? I have a dog if that helps.
Well and truly said, David, Thank you.
Recommended to the process of thoughtful change. And that change takes place … INSIDE each human being’s mind … one mind (and one heart, for that is where true courage and stamina reside) at a time.
It builds from there.
DW
Let’s assume then that you’re indicating your dog isn’t up to the task. I don’t have a dog, and sometimes I hope that a sixth-grader might stop by and help me with my tech problems.
But I didn’t really think past a mental image that you’re involved in some group efforts like Roots Action, and those folks might know folks…for whom creating the video would be a virtual walk in the park.
I certainly wasn’t trying to be insulting. *If* we were a month out from the election, I’d be willing to see if I could pull it off. But given that a) the election’s in three days, and b) in early voting states, about have the ballots are already in, and c) it would easily take me a day or two to create the video (in between my RL weekend chores) if I could, ….we’d be seriously out of time for it to catch fire.
Sorry to disappoint, but…there it is.
Well I couldn’t agree more David !
The street is where all real change has always come from . As long as the myth of a functioning political system , now known as lesser evilism , remains intact, there is zero hope of motivating sufficient numbers to make the vital difference. The stakes are unbelievable .
I think that parties like the Greens should play support for Occupy and that we should also make sure that in the next election cycle there is the possibility of write in candidates in every state.
Even more importantly I believe that the movement must now reignite itself and become far more effective outside voting and the broken political system through highly visible acts of solidarity .
There are so many separate interest groups operating independently , all reinventing the wheel whose interests would be far better served in a coalition .
I place what little I have at the disposal of those truly interested in change bearing in mind that everything I think of as my own, my life, body, and material possessions do not actually belong to me but are on loan from the universe.
Namaste .
Oh and if your looking for a place to honeymoon ….
http://www.auroville.org/
Hey everything I have is yours, no prenuptuals only love and permanat commitment.
For instance , As a standing offer I have 50 Acres of land with a fairly large house a joining a state wildlife area that can be used by any that would like to create a working alternative to societies ills .
Rent free … all you have to give in return is everything .
Star/freeman
We need to evolve or the fate of the planet is very much in question.
Lets make history .
ROTFLMAO! Thank you, dear.
Hey that’s an honest offer , blows kiss….
The house is currently vacant , has killer views of Mount Adams and mount Hood several story tall waterfalls within a few minute walk and perched up high above three separate canyons look down the klickitat river almost to the Columbia which is twenty miles away .
I believe the actual solutions are not a small tweak of lifestyle but rather are spiritual and a change in the paradigms that have marked our way since the Babylonians and Sumerians where our culture comes from .
(If ya click the Reply Button…tra la la…)
Lovely of you, freeman; it sounds like heaven, and I’ve always wanted to visit that part of the world. Mr. wd and I homesteaded a mere twenty acres in SW CO, built a small hogan, gardens, planted trees (we’re in the round house in the center)…created a small wildlife refuge…and I fooking broke my body down, lol. Can’t even manage to finish the bits left undone when we adopted a couple kids and just focused on bringin’ them up.
But we have shelter from the storm, and will likely provide some for others in the days to come. Have lots and lots of dried food and stuff I’ve preserved in the food cellar.
Yes, the Great Awakening will turn into a massive spiritual insurrection; some days we can feel it comin’, eh?
And kisses back, my friend. A gift or two along those lines.
And yes; my angel muse seems to be on vacation lately. So…it goes. ;o)
Spent several years living in Boulder bucking the trend at a zendo myself . Met my wife of almost thrity years there . Sounds as though we have pretty similar backgrounds and ideas about “the good life” .
Hooda thunk … lol .
I spent many years in ‘the People’s Republic’, even went to CU for a time. Went to massage school there in…’78 mebbe?
Zendo. Hmmm. I may have been a Nichiren Shoshu Buddhist then…bringing some order to my LSD-laden life (no blame) I Ching says right now that Innocence must be my byword, and music will be my ally in communicating.
I did keep forgetting to say that I’d meant to task Mr. firedup for ignoring the female of the species (abjured ‘vulva-owning’ in deference to the sensitive. ;o)
The Reply button lesson was so that Dave Swanson might not be taking the blown kisses and other sublime offers to heart for himself, not that he doesn’t deserve them.
Years ago, in a bar in Colorado …
There was an average looking man in his late 20s going around asking woman after woman “Want to go have sex with me?”
and I asked him, “Does that line ever work?”
And he said, “Sure. I get lots of rejections but leave with someone every time”.
Hhmmmm … I think that’s a better one than “Sure, let’s get married”. No promises, no harm, no foul.
LOL
Hey they were meant for everyone !
Used to work at new age foods for Hanna Kroeger. Got to Boulder about 1978 . Only worked part time , my only ever job . The pay checks said chapel of miracles .
Love saying that my only job was working part time at the Chapel of Miracles !
Heh; I don’t think her store was called that earlier… We used to eat lunch at her wee buffet upstairs. The walls were yellow, the food okay, but healthy and plentiful. Sandwiches with dates and peanut butter or something? Always carrot and rain salad. Agar-agar jello (ish, and brrrr!). Downstairs smelled like Brewer’s yeast, not the yummy large-flake stuff that came later.
She’d put people on clay fasts, bad mistake, imo. Good job title though.
Lotta great music around then, too. Just put up a Playing for Change video on my PSA post that has Washboard Chaz playing in it. He played with Ophelia Swing Band then mebbe? Memory like cottage cheese. Wow, ya got me trippin’, son. Whooosh. ;o)
Dave blows kisses back…
By “Mr. Firedup” did you mean me up top? (I sent an email, you didn’t get it?)
No. ;o) Come onto my today post in an hour and a half or so, and I’ll put my address up, then delete it after I hear from you. I have a bodywork client in a few minutes, so I’ll be busy.
Shoot, I would have answered. (Did it go to my Junkbox? I usually look through it before I clear it out. Won’t even say what most of em are…)
;o)
resent it. my email starts with “su”.
Forgot to come back and say that I replied; sorry. My reply may have gone to your Junkbox.
sounds good for a peace conference