When I wrote about MSNBC’s documentary on Iraq war lies this week, I linked to an earlier blog post of mine that drew heavily on a House Judiciary Committee report on the same topic, as well as to Lawrence Wilkerson’s recent debate with Norman Solomon on Democracy Now!
When Brad Friedman reposted my Hubris review, he suggested I ask Wilkerson for a response. I did and here it is:
David,Several misleading and even spurious bullets and headlines that make strong claims that are not supported in the surrounding narrative. For example, no one ever DID warn Powell about Curveball, in fact quite the opposite. This particular source–billed as an Iraqi engineer who had defected–was George Tenet’s–the DCI’s–strongest weapon. And incidentally, the title “Curveball” was never heard until well after the 5 Feb presentation.Your use of INR’s assessment of “weak” repeatedly, is weak itself. INR was at the time one of 15 intelligence entities in the US intelligence architecture at the federal level. (Add Israel France, the UK, Jordan, Germany, et al, and of course you get even more). INR’s assessments were often viewed–indeed still are–as maverick within that group (and were particularly so viewed by George Tenet and his deputy John McLaughlin. Indeed, INR’s insistence on putting a footnote in the October 2002 NIE with regard to its doubts about Saddam’s having an active nuclear weapons program was only grudgingly acknowledged and allowed by Tenet. And in truth, INR itself concurred in the overall NIE’s finding that chems and bios existed (and the NIE was the root document of Powell’s 5 Feb presentation).I have admitted what a hoax we perpetrated. But it actually spoils or desecrates a fair condemnation of what is already a bad enough set of misstatements, very poor intelligence analysis, and–I am increasingly convinced, outright lies–to take the matter to absurdity with one man, in this case Powell.To see my point dramatically, one must realize that whether Powell had given his presentation or not, the President would have gone to war with Iraq. That doesn’t relieve Powell or me or any of us who participated in preparing Powell of responsibility; it simply places the bulk of that responsibility squarely where it should rest.You, Ray McGovern, and I will never reach accord on this I’m certain; but I must say that just as I may have biases from my long association with Powell, I believe both of you should examine your biases with regard to the man. Just as it was very difficult for me to face the fact I had participated in a hoax, it probably is just as difficult that you two admit you may be too aggressively critical of Powell. Both our conditions are recognizably human and yours more forgiveable than mine to be sure. lw
Thanks for this response.
I’m CCing Brad Blog which posted my commentary and might want to post your reply.
Here’s my reply to your reply (also available to publish) :-)Whether or not anyone told Powell of Curveball’s reputation, Powell’s own staff, the INR, told him the claims were weak, the claims that came from Curveball and from numerous other sources. The INR told him the claims were weak and questionable and even implausible.



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David, I think you could find DemocracyNow programs that would support your analysis of the curveball scenario as well as the moveable labs argument – as a low information citizen I was clued into both from Amy’s programs before Powell’s presentation, and thus was able to view that with extreme skepticism, which I would not have had otherwise. I am no savvy politico, as people on these forums know. Amy was doing two hour versions of her show at the time and fortunately our university station did carry those.
This is precisely why it has been so agonizing to see the Obama administration simply follow on with hardly a peep from the press, when so much damage had so recently been done, as if the memory slate washed clean and even the old guard was able to keep on keeping on. The last four years have been a continuation of the ongoing nightmare that was the Bush presidency. I don’t watch the nightly news but switching programs I saw yet again last night another silent viewing of military deaths. When is that going to stop?
i always wondered if Powell was a “team player” in order to protect his son’s careeer????
he was a team player before he had a son, for what that’s worth
I love Wilkerson, and I love his coming forward and taking whatever blame he did take
We all try to shed blame, it seems to me wilkerson is shedding it less then most would even consider
Jeff Stein takes Col. Wilkerson to task too, David…
Iraq War Deception Still Costing Dearly…
Powell was always the go-to guy for dirty jobs. It’s how he got ahead. Do a search on powell my lai.
“This is precisely why it has been so agonizing to see the Obama administration simply follow on with hardly a peep from the press, when so much damage had so recently been done, as if the memory slate washed clean and even the old guard was able to keep on keeping on. The last four years have been a continuation of the ongoing nightmare that was the Bush presidency. I don’t watch the nightly news but switching programs I saw yet again last night another silent viewing of military deaths. When is that going to stop?”
Americans are being silent, like those silent Germans. The press is compromised. America see whistle blowers being prosecuted, for speaking truth and exercising first amendment rights. They see an illegal rendition and torture program protected and classified . They see their government acting more like fascists pigs than acting like Ike, who killed fascist.
As Jefferson said:
“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.”
Now is that time to resist this “corporate fascist” takeover of our political system, by corporations for the benefit of corporation, at the expense of the republic, life and liberty.
President Obama himself, in light of all the evidence of war crimes, is being silent just like those silent Germans. Why? Protect the Oil monopoly as Congress protected slavery!
I’ll put my faith in Jefferson who stated the rights contained in the bill of rights are, Universal god given rights. Now today, when it comes to protecting monopolies in commerce and trade or monopoly on energy, piss on that bill of rights. Dred Scott understood it well being a man of color owned to be exploited for his energy!
The mobile biological labs never passed the giggle test. Oh yeah, sure, Saddam is going to have deadly germs made by using expensive equipment carted around the countryside with no safeguards.
The photo that Powell showed in his presentation also did not pass the giggle test. 4 fuzzy rectangles ovalized in red maker. Heh, now I believe that those really ARE scary bioweapons producing labs.
Can’t remember the timeline, but it was either shortly bef or shortly after Powell’s presentation that reporter at LATimes did an in-depth story on Curve Ball. I remember that clearly bc I was doing my investigations from first principles & open sources, meaning I didn’t know anyone who had time to thrash about ideas. Then the LAT guy published, and I said: Aha, that’s the explanation for such a goofy story.
Wilkerson knew and knows it was a fraud, perpetrated on America and Iraq, to gain access to oil.
Wilkerson is a second level propagandist. That is, he is no longer part of the govt, but still gives out only info the govt wants us to have.
Maybe….
He has the tells. Willing to go so far but not father. In this case, admitting to only the most obvious of what is known, but drawing the line at suggesting the lies were deliberate. It’s an initial step in getting reputations repaired. And if this one works, there will be other subtle & subversive efforts to do more of same & a little harder.
I am aware of his history. I do not believe people appreciate the pressure point of protecting his son, Michael’s carreer at the FCC
Gotcha. Thanks for explaining.
Whatever happened to
widdleBig Mikey?Wiki sez…..
Seems he would make a great witness to testify before a Grand Jury under oath using its investigative powers, to determine if probable cause exists to charge these folks with the war crimes. Fuck this abuse of national security power to hide crimes against humanity!
Put it in the people’s hands instead of compromised political POS!
Eric Holder is prepping the case even as we type. :-)
Thanks, David. This is very interesting, and good for you for your follow up, which is right on point.
I guess this is “something,” which possibly – not really sure, though – is better than nothing.
Hey, I had no leg to stand on, but when I saw dumbfuck W’s “deer in the headlights” look when he finally surfaced late in the day on 9/11, I knew it was a done-for-sure that we’d be a-going to WAR, Inc, and most likely, it was gonna be Iraq, and not just Afghanistan.
Did I have “proof” of anything? No. But really anyone paying the slightest bit of attention had to know it was gonna happen. The outright lies and bullshit were *obvious,* which, as others have pointed out, have led to some of the most massive anti-war protests in history… not that it did a damn bit of good. Our compromised and highly bought-off “leaders” in Congress and the White House rushed this all through: YeeHAW: Black Gold’s in them thar Iraqi sands: lemme at it.
And Dick Cheney just raked in literal $tack$ and pile$ and pallet$ of cold hard ca$hola. No doubt Colin Powell got his baksheesh & how. I don’t know what Wilkerson got, but he’s not coming totally clean even now, albeit more than almost anyone else.
Keep the pressure on. Very interesting.
Who will be the voice of reason & truth to point out stuff like the lies for going to Iraq and now the drones are making all of us much less safe. If we thought 9/11 was bad, I anticipate there will be another very bloody retaliation. I think all this is madness and very scary.
You’re right about blame shedding, of course. But the dead, imprisoned and broken people in America are held accountable by a stealth network of government agencies which don’t recognize blame, only outcomes. Lying is a tool to these people just like a hammer is to a carpenter. Broken things need fixing or they become useless. I don’t think the majority of the American people want or expect to be made whole for the last decade’s numerous follies. But they do expect and deserve, a truth commission of sorts, to fix the broken things. Or, they’ll conclude that accountability is useless as a control mechanism. This will be a very bad outcome for all of America. Unimaginable is not to strong a word, here.
It’s not how you play the game.
It’s how you spread the blame.
– Ernie Fitzgerald, likely quoting someone else
I remember reading ,either in Counter Punch, or some other blog about Powell being so mad when was given the UN speech draft that he tossed the papers. As a compromise, he demanded Tennat to be present by his side in UN. As a military officer Powell could have stepped aside for his honor sake.
Probably after Powell tossed his papers in anger, someone handed them back to him with big giant wads of cash between the pages…
It would be irresponsible not to speculate…
I’m glad someone else thought the story of mobile bio labs driving about the countryside a little strange, like Dr Strangelove strange. I too never believed it. The photo was absolutely stupid. I thought then that if there were truth to it then it deserved a hell of a lot more discussion, which we never got. Trust me there are bugs in there and they won’t leak out bc we have this here Lysol bottle handy.
I don’t know the truth of any of this so I am forced to “invent” what I think happened. I believe these two guys really wanted to play ball. They suspected it was all a lie but not enough to resign. I think Bush and his team had them trapped. Unfortunate for all of us.
I wish I could still believe in Santa Claus! I can’t believe in Our government anymore.
It is a farce!
Until there is action constant with established principle I believe in, these fascist fuckers can all go fuck themselves, along with those Americans ignorant of history who find it easier to, not even give fuck, as they are fucked.
Might as well develop a relationship with a hostage taker….
a full refutation of LW here would be book length of course
on many areas the INR wasn’t even “maverick” — how many agencies called the aluminum tubes claim BS vs how many private prostituted contractor backed the claim?
it’s generally considered unfair to ask whistleblowers to be fully principled advocates for the abolition of the entire enterprise they’ve worked in
whistleblowers are by definition people who took part in something bad that took a turn for the worse that they resisted
we praise and reward them to encourage more of them; charging them with espionage doesn’t help things
but we don’t have to pretend they’ve fully come clean, when the facts suggest otherwise; for godsake, possession of weapons — EVEN IF TRUE — is not grounds for an aggressive war, and it is the job of the State Department to say that and to insist on a legal diplomatic approach
Trapped? You allow yourself to be trapped when you compromise your values. America has allowed itself to be trapped, by politicians protecting entrenched monopolies in commerce and trade and Wall Street fuckers. That is what money buys and Jefferson and Madison understood it well. America suffers from dementia….
No silent German here……
That story is accurate as far as I remember.
It is not in Powell’s character to resign. His way of getting ahead was by doing dirty jobs they assigned to him.
Powell was humiliated in other ways too. Rummy couldn’t have been more obvious in trashing the Powell Doctrine.
Can you say “Bait and switch”. We are into the fourth term of the Bush Administration.
Someone finally topped the mobile lab photo for LOL purposes.
That’s a real professional job. Who could doubt it?
We interrupt this programming with Breaking Gossip.
Think I sad that!
Being a whistleblower can be dangerous. Ask John Kiriakou.
Who can forget the ‘Winnebagos of Death’?
Paying duty to country and law is now a criminal act? Informing America that your country is acting like fascists in the name of America, is honorable. The dishonorable fascist scum responsible for these violation of international law and prosecutors, going after honorable Americans, is a page out of the Nazi handbook. They are sick motherfuckers….
NSS whistleblowers are strange cookies… they join this disgusting agencies and either pretend that they are not disgusting or are naive and don’t know it. In any case they blow the whistle expecting that the nasty stuff was all a big mistake and will be fixed because they revealed it. hahahaha. No way Jose. Intel is about criminal and illegal activities to get sh*t done because it’s too inconvenient to play by the rules. NSS gets a pass on *the rules of law*.
That is not changing.
Powell gets a pass because he’s a black man who made good and so he inside the house and this is exploited by him, them and blacks who think he’s the next best thing to sliced bread… oooops that Obi…
Good that he ratted… bad that he was in the CIA in the first place.
if behaving well were easy, people wouldn’t put so much effort into wiggling out of it
Understand that America is not the city on the hill… far from it… it’s a neo fascist feudalism… with a legacy which is a distant past and not part of the current zeitgeist.
I guess who wants to be first? I think JK is going to jail for awhile for disclosing classified information. I am not sure if Powell was in that position or not. But he certainly could have resigned so long as he didn’t say anything at the time.
All fascists need is for people of moral character to remain silent. No silent American of German heritage here. I understand it very well. Your comment really hurt. Because in my heart I. Know it is true……..,
Yes.
Disclosing classified info is a crime. You may think it is the right thing to do, but you better be careful.
Powell is despicable war monger and opportunist… what else would a general be?
This is awkward – Col. Wilkerson has admitted fault and was the first of any Bush era insider to help the public understand what happened. He defends Powell, but he also outed Powell – the truth is a funny thing, it just sits there and the chips fall where they may.
Powell has been punished for this incident already, he probably would’ve won the Republican nomination by now, had this not sullied his name. Don’t we all agree his career is over, and specifically for this?
We should be helping Wilkerson because he is the only Bush era figure of note who has said he will testify. Why are we picking on him in blogs, because he is the only one willing to have a dialog?
We should be collaborating, reporting, preparing a legal case, spreading out petitions and generating support.
Wilkerson might hold the keys to everything David Swanson has been working for all these years, the evidence to put war crimes into a courtroom, to generate serious attention. To matter to someone beyond the anti-war choir.
Wilkerson has said he will accept responsibility for his role – so let’s put “blame” where it belongs, in a judicial proceeding.
Mr. Swanson, I am an admirer but, I don’t think you should be admonishing Mr. Wilkerson just yet, I think you should be trying to bring his story public. He is an eyewitness to the one of the largest cases of unprosecuted treason in our lifetime.
Instead of rubbing it in that we were right all along and burning our bridges, can we try to cooperate to go up the food chain a few pegs? I think you and Col. Wilkerson both want to see that.
Exposing crime is a crime? Fascist logic! Careful? For what? Expressing political opinion is a protected constitutional right, unless you are dealing with fascists.
Daniel Ellsberg…
He’s the one who convinced me that govt conspires against citizens at every turn. He worked in govt or for RAND for 25 years bef he ratted. IOW, he knew for 25 years what the USG was doing against us bef he spoke out. Not only did he know, hundreds if not thousands knew of all the USG conspiracies against U.S. citizens.
And he’s the only one who eventually told.
How do you know? Do you believe him! Do you think his faults don’t lie deeper than what he has admitted to?
Immunity from prosecution for turning and working with prosecution? Happens all the time in corporate America. Drug prosecutions? Insider trading prosecutions. Murder prosecution ?
Why not Americans who lied to America, deceived America, clearly cherry picked bogus intelligence, outed a CIA operative in retaliation for questioning fraudulent intelligence, wasting trillions of taxpayer dollars, and killing how many humans in the process.
Guess I’m the fucking problem, for asking the question?
He was lucky not to end up in jail, as I recall.
Ellsberg was threatening with the same persecution as Manning, whatever that draconian law is, I forget the term. Equivalent to treason. Ellsber was too high profile by then though bc pub of PPs went to SCOTUS iirc. Unlike Manning, would have been too embarrassing for USG to prosecute Ellsberg. Manning does not have NYT & WaPoo on his side.
There was a mistrial, but I don’t know details.
It’s interesting, those on the blogs, say 12 years ago, screaming that our nation was being subverted by a fascist cabal, were considered somewhat hyperbolic and embarrassingly a bit daft in a way that would scare off just the supporters we needed to fight this massive assault on such of our democracy as remained at the time.
Now it seems that the fascist label is not so nearly dismissed,and has made a resurgence.
I don’t understand what this means. Perhaps in part it is latent anger coming to the fore that, once against we the people have had our democracy swindled away from us, this time by the continuity of anti-democrat policies marketed under the tactic of fear and the tendrils of the national security state. Maybe it’s disgust at more and more war, and drone war, misdirection war on whistle blowers and privacy, while the real criminals are paraded before us as defenders of the realm.
I say do whatever might work to lure Wilkerson with honey to come over to the good side, not just away from the evil side. And I not exactly sure what that means or if it might work. Something dramatic sure has to shake up this tottering ship of state, and I’d rather it be sooner than later.
someone ought to tell Wilkerson (who has been more forthright than any of the bush admin criminals including powell that the standards for going to war need to be the highest standards possible, not the least. When he understands that, he can explain it to powell.
Lets also not forget that in some regards, powell was the worst of the lot, because he had the public’s trust and he specifically used it to deceive. They used powell to make the case for a reason – no one would doubt him. bush, cheney, rumsfeld, rice would not have been believed because no one with a brain would trust them as far as they could throw them. But almost everyone trusted powell and he leveraged that to mislead. He is as low or lower than the rest of them.
That just proves great minds think alike. I would like to add “How much is that government in the window”?
Truer words than yours were never spoken about Powell’s role; he was the one who had credibility with the American people. He was the one who could sell it (and in doing so, sell out all the men and women in our armed forces). Truly a man that disgraced his oath of office and his claim to any honor that the military so prizes.
I’ll second that.
I am glad to see this diary is still on the recommended list. Some of the surrounding circumstances for the speech are worth recall – I cannot give an accurate summary, but most certainly the general atmosphere at the UN at the time would have been one of extreme skepticism punctuated by oppressive US tactics; Powell did not win the day with his speech. I remember nations voting against UN compliance with these arguments for invasion.
Mr. Wilkerson does not mention Hans Blix and the non-evidence for WoMD’s the UN’s own team on the ground had continually reported until they were forced out by the US. And not only were there no WMDs, but there was no Al Qaida there and no suicide bombing until after the US invaded.
There is also the questionable Bush Doctrine of ‘imminent threat’ which was refuted by non other than Al Gore in a memorable speech in San Francisco. These are all the parameters for an international war crimes tribunal that are not going away, and which eventually extends to the current administration, since they have only ramped up the imperialistic atrocities, seemingly with impunity.
The same sword of justice hangs above their heads. It may be long in coming; we may not live to see it; but this is their legacy and they cannot escape it. Hasty quasi-legal documents floating behind the secrecy wall are not going to make any difference. If anything, they only heighten the public’s perception of wrong doing. By now we are used to seeing telephone books pretending to be laws weighing down the scales of justice in Congress, and we are sick and tired of it all.
Wilkerson is trying to save Powell’s reputation. Powell is a neocon. He is admired by the public only because the media have created a false narrative.
Wilkerson & Powell (and anyone who read the mainstream news) by February 2003 should have been able to view any intelligence they received on Iraq in context:
1. For the previous 100 years, America has been lied into every war – Most recently, in 1990, Daddy Bush lied about Iraq mobilizing an invasion army on the Saudi border after invading Kuwait (Powell was in on this lie as well); LBJ invented the Gulf of Tonkin incident in 1964; Truman invaded Korea after the Joint Chiefs determined (in 1948) the Korean Peninsula was of no strategic importance to the US; also, the Cold War was a fiction – attacking the US or western Europe was simply not an economic possibility for the Soviet Union (besides Soviet troops were untrained & unmotivated and using weapons that did not work, see: The Threat by Andrew Cockburn, 1985).
2. Both Wilkerson and Powell knew that the US had previously investigated using chemical & biological weapons for it’s own arsenal and found them to be ineffective and dangerous (to the side deploying the weapon). Chemical, biological and dirty bombs are not weapons of mass destruction – they are capable of killing dozens of people if deployed correctly.
Even knowing this, a few days following his address to the UN, Sec. Powell warned that:
“it would be easy for terrorists to cook up radioactive ‘dirty’ bombs to explode inside the U.S. … ‘How likely it is, I can’t say… But I think it is wise for us to at least let the American people know of this possibility.’”(ABC This Week quoted in Daily News (New York), 10 Feb. 2003).
3. Powell knew the neocons (Project for New American Century, 1998) had wanted to attack Iraq for years prior to 2003 and Bush had stacked his administration with neocons.
4. Powell, as Secretary of State, was in the very first Bush cabinet meeting in 2001 where Paul O’Neil, Secretary of Treasury, was surprised that contingency planning for a regime change in Iraq was at that the top of the agenda (months prior to 911).
5. Former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Charles Freeman (Obama’s 2009 skewered appointee to the National Intelligence Council), said word was out in DC, in early 2001, that Bush was going to pursue regime change in Iraq. Freeman, who was not working in government in 2001, knew this “open secret”. Freeman made this the topic of talks he gave around the US in the fall of 2002. So it is unlikely that Powell, Wilkerson (or for that matter, the Senate Intelligence Committee or any decent reporter in DC) didn’t know this also.
6. Powell, in his 2/5/2003 UN speech, claimed that Ansar al-Islam had ties to Al Qaida and operated chemical weapons plant in northeast Iraq.
a. Powell’s own state department did not list Ansar as a terrorist organization at the time (added to FTO list in March 2004). The International Crisis Group in Brussels described Ansar as only a minor irritant to local politics in Kurdish Iraq with no ties to al Qaida.
http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/regions/middle-east-north-africa/iraq-iran-gulf/iraq/B004-radical-islam-in-iraqi-kurdistan-the-mouse-that-roared.aspx
b. Since 1991, the US controlled the air space above the northern third of Iraq and could have easily destroyed this “poison and explosive training center camp” at any time if it were a threat.
c. Ansar took over a dozen international reporters this weapons site three days after Powell’s speech. Luke Harding of the Guradian:
“… it emerged that the terrorist factory was nothing of the kind – more a dilapidated collection of concrete outbuildings at the foot of a grassy sloping hill. Behind the barbed wire, and a courtyard strewn with broken rocket parts, are a few empty concrete houses. There is a bakery. There is no sign of chemical weapons anywhere – only the smell of paraffin and vegetable ghee used for cooking.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/feb/09/iraq1
From the NY Times (four days after Powells UN talk):
“… the structures did not have plumbing and had only the limited electricity supplied by a generator.”
“A senior State Department official maintained today that no matter the rough conditions at Sarget, Mr. Powell’s characterization of the compound was accurate. ”A poison factory is a term of art,” he said, ”and it doesn’t necessarily mean that people are pumping out thousands of gallons a year.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/09/world/threats-responses-evidence-islamists-iraq-offer-tour-poison-factory-cited-powell.html
7. Wilkerson & Powell both knew that the aluminum tubes and the yellow cake from Niger were lies. And that the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs (spokesperson), Victoria Clarke, was the 1990 director of the DC public relations firm, Hill & Knowlton, which set up the Kuwaiti ambassador’s daughter false testimony before congress in 1990.
This is a good timeline concerning Powell’s 2003 UN speech:
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq&specific_cases_and_issues=powellsSpeech
“The same sword of justice hangs above their heads. It may be long in coming; we may not live to see it; but this is their legacy and they cannot escape it.” (Juliania)
Well, Wilkerson is doing every thing he can to write his own version, and predominantly to let the hagiographic legend of Powell slowly seep into history. Too wit, accepting a modest mea culpa for participating in a hoax with a ‘we were only a small part’ of the hoax as the defining aspect of culpability meant to fend off serious history, and play up the other positively contrived aspects of the General’s record.
There is no question Wilkerson could be more forthcoming, and definitely that Powell could. He can’t both accept the mantel of being the ‘most trusted’ pol of the time and deny that giving weak disclaimers does not do not correspond to the preferred grand image he would have slip into history. If part of the price to be paid for his scant apology is that he becomes a tainted and tragic figure well, I suppose he’ll take that over a cowardly cipher who did the treasonous governments dirty work.
Wilkerson, for his part, has presented a quasi honorable portrait (both of himself and of Powell); but if you dig and think deeper, his main thrust is to shift the blame, not acknowledge a major part in marketing it.