In the movie Lars and the Real Girl, the main character imagines that a female blow-up doll is his fiancé. To humor Lars, his brother and sister-in-law go along with the charade. Over the course of the movie, more people are drawn into the circle, until eventually the whole town is treating Bianca the blow-up doll as one of its leading citizens.
This seems to pretty well describe the debate over the budget deficit, except it’s not clear that many people realize it’s a charade. The main story is that Lars’ budget hawk counterparts are upset that the deficits projected for 2013 or 2019 are too large. They want President Obama to commit to spending cuts and/or tax increases in order to bring these deficits to levels they consider acceptable.
The unreality of this picture is striking because the budget hawks seem not to notice that we are in the middle of an economic meltdown.
People are losing their homes through foreclosures at the rate of more than 100,000 a month. The default rates on credit cards, car loans and other debt is at record levels. Most of our major banks are effectively insolvent.
Home and stock prices have plummeted, destroying most of the wealth of the baby boom cohort as they stand on the edge of retirement. The economy is shedding almost 700,000 jobs a month, with the unemployment rate rapidly approaching the highest level since the Great Depression.
In this context we are supposed to be up in arms over the deficit projections for 2013 or 2019? This is a bit like someone complaining about the lawn not being mowed at a time when the house is on fire, it’s just not the first priority. And the media all seem to go along with the charade – yes, they are very concerned about the projected deficit for 2013, just as the characters in the movie expressed concern about the health of Bianca the blow-up doll.
It is especially annoying to hear the whining from this group of deficit hawks since their whining in prior years helped to drown out serious discussion of the dangers posed by an $8 trillion housing bubble. While some of us were yelling at the top of our lungs about the imminent disaster that would hit the economy when the housing bubble burst, the media chose to focus on these deficit hawks with their dire warnings about budget deficits 40 or 50 years in the future.
Because the media and political elites chose to pay more attention to the deficit hawks than those warning about the housing bubble, we now get to enjoy the current economic crisis. And, one result of the economic crisis is (drum roll, please) ……..record deficits.
To put the point so simply that even a Washington Post editor can understand it: because the media highlighted the views of the people who were ranting about the deficit rather than the views of people who understood the economy, we got both a wrecked economy and larger deficits.
The moral to this story is that the economy must take priority, not only because the state of the economy is what most directly determines people’s well-being, but also because the state of the economy will be the most important determinant of the deficit.
The experience of the 1990s provides an example of exactly this sort of story. In January of 1994 the Congressional Budget Office projected that the deficit in 1999 would be $204 billion or 2.4 percent of GDP. This projection incorporated the impact of President Clinton’s tax increase and spending cuts.
It turned out that there was a surplus of $125 billion in 1999, or 1.4 percent of GDP. This shift from deficit to surplus of 3.8 percentage points of GDP (equivalent to $540 billion in 2009) was not caused by further spending cuts or tax increases, it was caused by the strong economic growth of the period.
There is no guarantee that President Obama’s policies will be successful in restoring strong growth, but they are clearly a step in the right direction. If we have strong growth, then our deficits will be manageable. If the economy remains weak, the deficit will remain a serious burden no matter how much we raise taxes or cut spending.
Someone has to tell the deficit hawks that their blow-up doll is not real. The issue is the economy, not the deficit.



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the problem dean, is those complaining about the future deficit are not suffering, why, they’re fine after all
that’s actually problem 2
problem 1 is the fact that they ignored the deficit when “their party leader” created it
bush had a 1.3 TRILLION dollar
robbery of middle class assets to the wealthystimulus which was not an investment in our economy it was a gift to those with more money then they will ever spend, thisgift to his palsstimulus had no hope of offering a return, it wasn’t based on anythingthe current stimulus is in fact an investment to which we will wind up with product, product that will save us more then we invest, or in other words a positive return investment
rebuilding roads of course pays dividends, educating our youth again, of course pays dividends, providing well paying secure jobs, again pays dividends
so this “deficit” is not empty money given away but spending on assets that wind up saving money
the main point however is where were these people when bush was taking a surplus and turning it into a deficit with HIS “stimulous”
dean, if you want to see the republicans stop talking about the deficit all we have to do is start talking about paying it off with the middle class assets that were given to the wealthy, start talking about the money confiscated from our social securiy funds and given to those who are complaining about this deficit
PLUS
I want my frigging money back, why the hell AREN’T we talking about getting back the “loans” that were taken from social securiy?
start talking like THAT and they will shut up pronto
Agreed!
Don’t forget the Airline bailout after 9/11 how much was that again? When are we going to get paid for that?
I hope we are getting Interest above inflation. The Airlines were profitable but smaller when the government ran them.
Maybe we need more big government? Maybe we should take over the airlines I think they will need more money soon.
The GOP/BlueDogs want to use that to stop the Stimulus and National Healthcare heck they will even use the budget deficits to push for tax cuts for the rich. They are all very concerned about the wealthy do Nothing Rich going Galt.
Lets turn this around on them Lets say the Budget Deficits are so big we can’t afford to fight the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
That America’s business especially the Big Three cannot compete without National Healthcare. We really need Michael Moore’s “Sicko” on National TV for the Healthcare debate.
Liberal Media my Ass its been how many years since “Sicko” came out and its still not on the big three networks or even PBS?
Time to suit up the class war being waged on the rest of us since the 1980s.
Yep its time Newt is afraid of Class Warfare which is funny because after the French Revolution under Napoleon France achieved Greatness and changed Europe by spreading the ideas of the Revolution Worldwide, the Metric System, the Napoleonic Code, not since Charliemagne has France been so Great.
Given the Napoleonic Code’s perspective that if charged, you are guilty until you prove your innocence, that’s not something I can get behind.
Is that any different than what we have in practice now? Is that any different or worse than how money for a good lawyer and being white affects justice?
I still don’t see Enron or AIG guys in jail for life maybe guilty until proven innocent should apply but only to the rich?
Seriously maybe the jury should not see the defendant so they can’t know his race that would reduce jury bias. Also Sociopaths look so innocent because they are guilt free so juries let them go.
Lawyers on both sides should be of equal skill and have equal resources available to them to try a case.
Police harassment of minorities should be prosecuted more, lots more.
Then in practice we will have a better different system than the Napoleonic code of law.
Right now in Practice I don’t see a difference.
The class war was lost a long time ago. What we’re seeing right now is the post-war slaughter (figurative in this case) of the defeated. It’s an ancient ritual, really.
Actually, it’s the acquisition of all the spoils of war including property & enslavement of conquered populations that marks the temporary suspension of war …. before the next fit of M & A takes hold.
The classic case of accusing the adversary of your own actions. The plutocratic class warriors have been firing everything in their arsenal for 30 years now. Yet it is always the richest of the rich screaming class war!
Now that a few of us have fired a few spitballs back at them they are heading for the barricades.
Cowards.
-G
Agree.
Thanks Prof. Baker.
Dugg.
And for us in CA, we know it started with St. Raygun at the helm of OUR Golden State. After 8 years (’67-75)of HIS rule I hardly recognized the place anymore . . . and we’ve never really recovered, statewide, since. The same can be said about the nation, too.
Heh, irony . . . as CA goes, so went the nation. Straight into the crapper . . .
“To put the point so simply that even a Washington Post editor can understand it” ; well, you can say you tried but I’m not sure you can succeed with that group.
You want to get depressed? check out the questions being posed in the ‘Financial Stability’ section of Obama’s townhall on whitehouse.gov ; the wingnuts are out in full about the ‘fair tax’ and the deficits (oh,and his birth certificate).
Jim Himes calls me a cynic.
Because I ask, which does he want more: re-election or delivering the truth to the American people.
He asks, why not both?
Give me a fucking break.
We need to confront them and force a debate about Keynes, FDR and the Great Depression. Let have Obama do a Presidential speech on the subject Prime Time of course take questions and then hope Bobby Jindal is giving the GOP response.
Then I want you and Jane on Countdown with Keith taking down Jindal’s speech. The GOP fairytale about the Great Depression must end. Bush was Herbert Hoover’s second chance to get everything right again with the benefit of hindsight.
The GOP has been planning the Bush Presidency of Shock Doctrine, wars control of the House, Senate, Supreme Court for decades to bad the goal of their plan was Imaginary.
Tax Cuts for the rich are a not a perpetual motion machine especially when government spending keeps going up.
Endless War does give Endless Power but it is an expansion of government. Endless Power based on War means War Profiteering is not investigated by Senate Armed Forces Committee Guys like John McCain.
Whats the KBR shower death tole in Iraq up to now?
I’m wondering… when a fellow like Dean Baker starts referring to blow up dolls.. if he doesn’t have the I word (inflation) on his mind too. *s*
Digg is open.
This is the essence of it. Hello, depression, Keynes, got it?
The fact that they don’t makes me wonder if we need a national set of standards for learning that applies to those poor religious and private school kids.
Who then go on too The University of Chicago or Harvard Business school and never are exposed to Keynes, FDR or the real world before they start running big corporations and government as self made men/Galts.
They hate the self made man they shrink the middle class but they all want to claim to be him.
Thank you.
I don’t see this as all that complicated, which is why it is baffling that so many people ‘don’t seem to get it’.
Or maybe they’re so politically partisan that they refuse to see it?
Well, Obama opened himself up to this when he started talking about eliminating the deficit.
It would be better if he started talking about the GDP. Like for instance how the GDP expanded because of Roosevelt’s New Deal programs
http://www.docudharma.com/show…..ryId=11954
I like it:)
I agree and complained loudly at the time that it made for an incoherent economic policy. People’s ears just can’t take in: increase deficit to stimulate economy; big deficits bad and must be cut. Huh? WTF?
Prof. Baker, I saw you on
Whoring for the Robber Barons, the Larry Kudlow Report. Thanks for venturing into the Lion’s den.Wow. That must have been quite a scene. I was once on TV with Kudlow. Hard to get a word in edgewise.
Yes, Larry kept interrupting him. Prof. Baker kept his cool. I’m sure you did too.
I took a little media training after the fact. Apparently you’re supposed to say: Larry, I let you speak, now please allow me to make my point. And you keep saying it as often as necessary. That way, even if you don’t get your substantive points across, at least the audience knows that Larry’s a jerk.
Unless you agree with Kudlow then he lets you talk all you want.
Not being allowed to talk on Kudlow shows you were not willing to help perpetuate his Cult of Plastic Personality:)
Plus agreeing with Kudlow normally means your wrong about everything.
See my 39.
I actually used that tactic in a very tense coop meeting against my opponents, who were the incumbants. It worked.
How did you keep yourself from reaching over and choking his smarmy ass?
I think were all becoming Japanese and as we slip off into the uncle milton freidmans brave new Amerika we should stand in a moument of silence for the last of the middle class. I hope I’m wrong but it is sad to see and I’m sure I’m not far from my last days of a good wage/benfits job myself.
jo6pac
rent/pay cash/grow your own food.
And things are only going to get worse Crisis is opportunity if we seize it Time for a Reverse Shock Doctrine we use a crisis to change things/society our way for the better of all not the enrichment of the few.
When poor folk are in shock they cain’t afford no doctorin’.
That is what we try to fix and the GOP tries to exploit.
I think folks are in shock and unless they get the toothpaste back in the tube or develop another bubble… the only doctrine left will resemble storming the Bastille.
Still a Reverse Shock Doctrine Dude!
That’s the question.
What forgotten period of history are we and this administration condemned to repeat?
France 1789, Russia 1917, America 1933?
America 1865 to 1877 to include the Panic of 1873.
How so?
We are currently dealing with a group of southern conservatives who have agreed to act as a group to obstruct whatever policies the new administration decides to implement that will help the whole country get over a period of trauma induced by an administration concerned only with its own interests, neo-confederates, if you will.
The Panic of 1873 resulted in an economic downturn that lasted for the better part of 15 years during which corporations took the opportunity to consolidate and strenghten themselves at the expense of the general population.
Obama should treat this clique as Grant should have dealt with the confederates who refused to compromise their “principles” in order to be readmitted into the mainstream. They were allowed to return to congress, including the vice-president of the Confederate States of America, Alexander Stephens, they never suffered the loss of their lands, and in many cases were allowed to force their former slaves to work on the plantations through Black Codes and intimidation.
We need to finish Reconstruction once and for all including all the nefarious mechanisms the GOP uses to disenfranchise minorities throughout the country.
Or the Panic of 1907 engineered by JP Morgan
Gene Robinson just told KO that Barak made that dope Ed Henry “his companion”!
I simply ask the budget balancers: What do you think the deficit will be if the economy does not recover?
A fair question… but we know the answer. This crisis will be used for shock doctrine hard choices, not on the principal of fiscal responsibility.
Yes, I know that budget balancing is a smoke screen for other agendas, but asking them the Q puts them on the spot.
Hmmm then we don’t get any of the bank bailout money back and the banks fail taking out the hedgefunds as the call in their loans which triggers a stock market crash as the hedgefunds sell stock all at the same time to try and cover their loans.
The Dollar goes down in value so much China stops lending us money/paying tribute just as tax revenue declines from business.
America declares bankruptcy.
I’m sure I missed a few things but we need this as a talking point for Dems debating the GOP.
Agreed. Last night’s Frontline was sobering.
Shaheen is on Rachel making no sense at all.
new post over at the lake
Politicians like agonizing over hypothetical future deficits because it gives them “responsible” serious-face cover for locking in the current tilt of the economic system. Because they never talk about raising taxes, except maybe payroll taxes. It is always only about cutting spending generally, and cutting Social Security particularly. It’s the standard story.
But people in the media, I think, don’t know or care about any of that. They pay attention to deficit talks because their favorite story is “let’s you and him fight”. It’s a familiar tale, everyone knows how to talk about it, everyone knows who the players are, and there’s a dash of Who Will Think About The Children?
We can think of lots of questions for budget goons. But they won’t be asked those questions. Not by anyone they’ll feel obligated to answer, at least. Closest they’ll come is being asked to respond to some other public figure’s comments, which will be presented as Spy v Spy partisan posturing, because fates forbid that anyone actually believes what they’re saying, come on now.
Obama and most other Democrats can’t – or won’t anyway – go after the goons in their own party because they have to assuage their egos or never pass a bill through the Senate again. The Democratic goons give cover to the Republican goons. Nobody who says, “Hey this is BS”, is in a position where anyone has to pay attention to them, because they’re not threatening to destroy the government if they don’t get their TV time. Maybe they should, I dunno.
Evan Bayh upstairs, fyi.
I understand the build deficits to pull ourselves out of a recession but I also see to much agenda pushing going on. I just see from my own personal finances compared to others and my old and when I have these discussions that many just don’t understand debt and that is what scares me about it. I see for me that if I have no debt which I just accomplished again, I have a greater cash-flow and I can use that to make solid investments in my houses to 1. maintain value 2. Increase value. 3. Increase efficiency which lowers cost and brings in greater cash flow. I just see our country spending more and more on debt financing that it squeezes any cash flow that we could have to pay off debt or to build our infrastructure to naturally increase our economic output and worth.
Everybody does what they think is best. What’s new about that?
There are some places to discuss issues. This blog is one.
1. infrastructure and education spending
2. cut small business taxes and give tax deductions for Green spending
3. health care reform
You ought to get on the bandwagon for Obama’s budget!
Of course, we are in the midst of a crisis. These aren’t exactly normal times. If your house is on fire do you worry about whether to spend on a woodworking shop or do you focus on buying a water hose or cell phone (to call the fire dept.)?
It’s not the fault of Democrats that we’re so far in debt at the start of this crisis. We can’t worry much about how this emergency spending increases debt further. You should’ve been screaming louder when the Reagan & Bush administrations spent us into huge debts.
With respect, ‘the media’ are our blow-up dolls.
Let’s not forget the primary reason the deficits are currently as large as they are. While Bush was in office he kept the spending for his wars off budget and financed them through supplementary allocations. Anyone with any sense knew that once the spending that was occurring was honestly accounted for the deficits would explode, as a matter of fact, the fact that the deficit would explode was explicitly stated when Bush and his GOP cronies pushed through his tax cuts using reconciliation which they now are trying to deny the use of to Obama for getting us health care reform.
For most of his time in office, Bush and his cabal reported that there was going to be a huge budget deficit and then reported that they were actually reining in spending when the numbers came in lower than what they had predicted. The only problem was that the numbers they predicted were based on fantasy and their budgets were unreal given that Iraq was not included.
Obama and the Democrats need to continue the war for a time because if that spending stops while this financial meltdown is occurring we are in for serious trouble.
BTW, a great book that gives some background to what we are experiencing is Hyman Minsky’s Stabilizing an Unstable Economy.
Thanks for the background. We’ll see how it plays out between now and the 2010 midterm congressional campaign bribery ramps up.
Excellent post, Dean.
Who does it serve to focus on the deficit? There’s a reason and it is stop any real reforms in our economic system that seek to create a more just economy.