There is a long history of mediums who claim to communicate with the dead. They sell their services to people anxious to talk to relatives or great figures of the past. Such exercises can be dismissed as harmless entertainment – people spend a few dollars to be treated to tall tales.
There is a Wall Street equivalent to these seances. People who claim to be knowledgeable about financial markets tell policy makers and reporters what the financial markets are thinking about current policy. These Wall Street seers claim to interpret events in financial markets for those of use who are less familiar with the mysteries of market movements.
In recent weeks, the Wall Street seers have been spinning stories about how the financial markets are very worried over the US budget deficit.
They have told us that the markets are concerned about the government’s ability to repay its debt. The seers tell us that the markets may soon demand much higher interest rates, if the government does not get its deficit under control.
The seers tell us that the government must take steps to rein in the budget deficits projected for the future by cutting back Medicare and Social Security. They also warn us about the risks of adding to the deficit with healthcare reform. And, the seers tell us that we certainly should not try to tackle the problem of 25 million unemployed or underemployed workers with another big round of stimulus. That would make the financial markets very angry.
Those of us who were not born with the gift of being able to communicate with financial markets cannot directly evaluate the information that the financial markets are passing on to the Wall Street seers. However, we can easily determine the risk that investors assign to holding long-term US government debt. This requires looking at interest rates.
Interest rates appear to be directly contradicting the seers’ assertions about financial markets. The interest rate on 10-year Treasury bonds is currently near 3.5%. The interest rate is not determined by people rattling off their visions about future debt defaults. It is determined by investors putting their money on the line.
These investors are willing to hold hundreds of billions of dollars in long-term government debt at a return of just 3.5%. By contrast, they demanded a return of more than 5% in 2000, back when the US government was running a large budget surplus. If there is widespread fear in financial markets of a default on government debt, it is difficult to understand why investors would be willing to hold it at such a low rate of return. Usually investors demand high returns for holding risky assets.
In addition to interest rates, we could evaluate the seers’ assessment by trying to carry through other implications of the bad news debt default scenario. Presumably, the stock market would be headed downwards with the financial sector stocks leading the way. After all, a default on US government debt would be cataclysmic for the US economy and especially for the banks who hold trillions of dollars in government debt or government-backed debt.
Here also the news doesn’t seem to fit the seers’ vision. The markets have been rallying lately, and many financial stocks are doing quite well.
One piece of evidence that these seers have occasionally used to support their case is the fact that the price of credit default swaps on US debt has risen. Credit default swaps (CDS) are in effect insurance against default. If the price of this insurance rises, then presumably the markets judge default to be a more likely event. That is the reason that people in their 60s pay more for life insurance than people in their 20s.
There is one problem with this story. The payoff of a CDS depends not only on the default but also, as those who did business with AIG know, on the ability of the counter-party to pay. What is the likelihood that JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs or anyone else will be left standing in a world where the US government has defaulted on its debt? It’s not clear what the price of CDS issued on US government bonds means, but it is not a straightforward assessment of the probability of default on the government’s debt.
It should not be surprising that the vision of the Wall Street seers seem to be far from reality. After all, their crystal balls could not see the $8tn housing bubble, the collapse of which has wrecked the economy.
In fact, the self-proclaimed seers are using their visions to try to discourage the public from supporting policies that the seers don’t like. These people want to see cutbacks in Social Security, Medicare and other social programs. They are more concerned that higher deficits could mean higher taxes on the wealthy at some point in the future than they are about the tens of millions of unemployed or under-employed today.
In short, those who want fantastic stories about the unknowable would be much better off visiting the people who promise to communicate with the dead than listening to the Wall Street spokespeople. They will learn more and be associating with people of greater integrity.



30 Comments




Thank you Dean, very helpful
So the GOP is coordinating their message with WallStreet and the business press Funny I agree the debt is a problem.
So lets end the war in Iraq and Afghanistan I know voters would much MUCH prefer that than cutting Social Security and Medicare.
Funny how the business media never presents all the options.
Hello, Dean! Is this why Neal Barofsky’s throwing around Big Scaaaary Numbers (without context) lately — to try and frighten folks from doing what needs to be done?
What’s the standard caveat they throw out all the time? Past performance is no indication of future returns?
Although it does appear that past idiocy does provide direct indications of future idiocy.
Question: Aren’t the seers wrong because credit contraction has reduced the money supply and thereby strengthened the dollar, meaning purchasers of U.S. debt are willing to settle for relatively low interest rates?
I suppose it’s too much to hope for that issuers of CDS’s charge more for their products because they are required to have accumulated real assets to pay for their losing bets. Never mind…
Does the supposed business media have any idea what cutting Social Security would do to consumer spending? Here is a hint it would drop and push us into a Depression
Cut Medicare and how many medical related bankruptcies would result? Can you say another bank bailout?
Cutting Government spending during the Great Depression worked great for President Hoover.
http://www.medicare.gov/Medica…..ge=English
You can’t end the wars while members of the Bush family are still deciding if they want to serve.
Deficits only matter when Democrats are in charge.
I would guess that most of the members of the business media are Republics and, therefore, have adopted the belief that Roosevelt is actually the one to blame for the Great Depression. They cannot be expected to have a rashional view of what’s happening today.
GTomkins in comments explains it very well:
These are the same Seerers who said the economy is strong before the Financial collapse that led to the bank bailout I take it?
They seem unaware that the government owns the banks, we own GM, we have assets are we getting any interest from these loans?
Our money is backed by banks now and big corporations like GM and AIG is WallStreet saying that these assets will not regain some value?
Rumors like that could cause a Panic on WallStreet.
If only they would serve I bet the troops would not be getting electrocuted in the shower if the Bush twins were in Iraq.
I’m sure the troops would all have bullet proof vests and armored vehicles even if it meant that Bush would have had to raise taxes.
Great Question to ask Bush
Mr exPresident if your daughters were serving in Iraq without bullet proof vests and they wrote home that they were afraid to take a shower for fear of electrocution would you have pushed to raise taxes to pay for bullet proof vests and a Union electrician to fix the wiring so your daughters to shower?
OT but fascinating: Jimmy Carter leaves Southern Baptist Church over Treatment of Women
I blame that private school education they get for their distance from reality. I bet that history is twisted to support their view of things, and we know they hated FDR.
Carter’s too good for them anyway.
FWIW, if you Google “Jimmy Carter quits Baptist Church” there are various articles, blog posts, etc going as far back as 2000.
So it’s probably not all that current a topic.
Brilliant to bad they don’t take into account the many rich who got that way by being immoral. Or the rich who inherited the money and unlike their ancestors are not making smart choices.
Bush the first Harvard MBA President’s handling of the economy should have cracked open their closed little minds.
One of the insider-seers of CNBC named Mark Haines told me (as I watched him on my tv) a couple months ago that the market was going to hover @ 8,000 points until this October when it will crash down to @ 5,000 points. Interesting! I wonder what Haines knew about the run on the banks last September 2008 when $550 billion dollars was removed from money market accounts in less than an hour and a half? Huh. I wonder. He’s a seer alright!
That number is nothing compared to the $600 trillion derivatives market found under George W. Bush…
http://www.newsweek.com/id/164591
All big scary numbers!
Did he state any evidence make any kind of claim of knowledge ? College freshmen have to cite sources for their papers asshats just pull stuff out their
Imaginary numbers we can’t bailout a meltdown on that market we heck the world does not have that kind of money.
I am hoping Obama will get rid of it soon. It would be funny if we had a meltdown in that market though we would risk being the first Civilization to fall as a result of our own Imagination.
After all how can we have a market where most of the money is imaginary how can you sell what you don’t have how can you buy what does not exist?
I expected this argument all along. Bush runs a huge deficit and the wars are still going on. Enter Obama with his rhetoric about healthcare reform (but no financial reform, heaven forbid!) and throwing money at the banks. The response just has to be there’s no money for Social Security as we know it and a decision to make Medicare unworkable.
What we need is a nice high income tax rate of say 65-70% for people earning over a million dollars. Let them give back some of the riches that have been taken from the rest of this country for the past generation since Reagan brought his snake oil show to Washington.
Agreed in fact I wonder what the GOP reaction to public support for taxing the rich to pay for healthcare is?
I’m guessing Panic!
How many of these wise “seers” just happen to be Republicans? I would guess about 85%. Badwater @ 10 is probably right. Maybe 10% are DLC Democrats.
The seers that I care about are the ones with a good track record, like Stiglitz, Galbreath et al.
Bob in HI
All dems same Soros, Buffet we need a Forbes list of the richest Americans who made their money not by inheritance but by earning it and their political party, I think the business press and us might be surprised.
Wasn’t aware of that, but the sourced article is from an Australian newspaper dated last Wednesday.
thanks, dean. seance, indeed.
So those who believe these guys would be seersuckers, right?
Heh.
Oh, and let’s add Roubini to those who should get more attention:
Roubini: Economic Recovery to Be ‘Very Ugly’.
Bob in HI