During the mass unemployment of the Great Depression, Keynes once quipped that if we couldn’t find any productive work that needed to be done, in order to reduce unemployment we could just pay workers to dig holes and fill them up again. Keynes was being sarcastic, but it seems that the Washington crew picked up on this suggestion. This is the only plausible explanation for the proliferation of deficit commissions in our nation’s capital.
There are three separate deficit commissions prepared to share their wisdom with the American people before the end of the year. These three commissions all have two important features in common: not one member of these commissions warned of the catastrophe that would be created by the collapse of the housing bubble, and they all think it is a good idea to cut Social Security.
The country is currently experiencing its worst economic downturn in 70 years with more than 25 million people unemployed, underemployed or having given up looking for work altogether. It might have been appropriate for a commission that purports to be giving advice on the future of the country’s most important social programs, as well as the overall budget, to include at least one person who was awake enough to notice the $8 trillion housing bubble that wrecked the economy.
But these commissions that want to tell the public what is best for us don’t feel that they need to bother with trivialities like the economic collapse. In fact, the commissions include many of the people who had helped guide our economy off the cliff. They see their credentials in this capacity as lending to their credibility. This is sort of like an officer from the Titanic using this experience as a basis for being appointed ship’s captain.
In fact, these commissions don’t have much other than their credentials to support their recommendations for cutting Social Security and Medicare. While the media have been hyperventilating at length to try to build fears about the budget deficits, it is easy to show that these fears are unwarranted.
In the short term, the United States has large budget deficits for the simple reason that private sector spending collapsed. The arithmetic is straightforward. The collapse of the bubbles in residential and nonresidential real estate led to a plunge in annual construction demand of more than $600 billion a year. The indirect effect of the loss of $6 trillion in housing bubble wealth was to reduce annual consumption by $600 billion a year.
With a total loss of $1.2 trillion in private sector demand, the choice for the government is either to boost the economy by running large deficits or allow the economy to contract further and let the unemployment rate rise even higher. If our deficit hawk commission members knew their economics, they would have been warning of the housing bubble in 2002-2006. Then, we could have avoided this economic collapse – and we would have had smaller deficits.
It is important to realize that the debt that we are incurring at present need pose zero burden on future generations. We are putting to use resources that would otherwise be idle, not pulling resources away from the private sector. While the deficit hawks eagerly threaten us with the prospect of our children paying interest on trillions of dollars of debt, the Federal Reserve Board could simply buy and hold this debt, leading to no net interest burden on future generations. (The Treasury pays interest on the debt to the Fed, which then refunds the interest payments to the Treasury at the end of the year, leaving no net interest burden.)
While the longer-term projections do show a serious deficit problem even after the economy has recovered, this is due to projections of exploding health care costs. Since more than half of our health care is paid by the public sector, if health costs really do grow out of control, then it will lead to very serious budget problems. Of course, if health care costs follow the projected path then they will also devastate the private sector.
The point is that we have a health care problem. If we don’t fix our health care system, then our economy will be in serious trouble, with one problem being large budget deficits. If we do fix our health care system, then there is no long-term deficit problem.
The basic story is that, in the short term, there is no deficit problem; the problem is a plunge in private sector demand caused by the collapse of the housing bubble. In the longer term, the deficit problem is actually the problem of a broken health care system. The facts are as clear as can be.
So, why then do we have all these deficit commissions? It’s simply modern Washington’s way of digging holes and filling them up again. It gives these people something to do. Let’s hope it ends up being harmless.



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Instant classic:
“During the mass unemployment of the Great Depression, Keynes once quipped that if we couldn’t find any productive work that needed to be done, in order to reduce unemployment we could just pay workers to dig holes and fill them up again. Keynes was being sarcastic, but it seems that the Washington crew picked up on this suggestion. This is the only plausible explanation for the proliferation of deficit commissions in our nation’s capital.”
How can this be so obvious and yet so many people have bought they myths the people-who-failed-to-get-anything-right keep peddling?
And why wasn’t this intimate connection, which really is OBVIOUS, part of a relentless pr campaign for health care reform? We might have actually got “health care reform” instead of weeny sorta-kinda-partial “health insurance reform.”
Sigh.
Thanks Dean.
I agree 100%.
Sure to be a conclusion in each finding by each commission; ‘no one could have predicted’ that massive proliferation of unsupported debt would result in economic disaster.
In related news, the Chicago School of Ecoinomics has mathematicaly proven that the deficit doesn’t exist. Or didn’t, until the Democrats got in there.
As soon as the Rs take full control of government, the economy will fully recover and the deficit will disappear. /s
From what I am reading there has been a shift in the corporate press from beat the poor to eat the old. Another wave of Peter G. Peterson don’t tax me, tax those old people, nonsense. Go Dean Baker!!
It’s a proven “conservative” law of economics that deficits only matter when the “other guys” have control. The corollary of this law is when our guys (conservs.) take over they get to start at zero because the other guys deficits aren’t carried forward, they’re off shored to China with everyone else’s jobs.
I think it’s a matter of some people woke up at different times; the liberals woke up during Bush, then went back to sleep when Obama was elected ( let’s got with the “election” meme for convenience sake)
Then the conservatives woke up when Obama was elected. and now are counting every penny he spends, even his trip to Asia.
Meanwhile the liberals are in denial that this guy is a bad or worse than Bush, because of Obama’s cutsy backstabbing backroom deals.
The hullabaloo from the right about how much the Asia trip is costing is a smoke screen for Obama’s attempts to get India to change it’s laws to allow corporation like Walmart in to wreck their economy too.
He’s in Indonesia now which has been a great playing field for the New World Order. Even tho as Obama says “few Americans know anything about this “great country”.
At some near distant point in the trip it will be off to south Korea to persuade them to enslave their people to our corporations as well.
And in the middle of all this , why, America created 150,000 jobs!
If the deal with India goes thru, (I hope they are not that stupid) we will LOSE 3,000,000 jobs just to India; let alone whatever happens in SK.
Nope, the “deficit commissions” are designed for US to patriotically shrug ( esp if WE have jobs) and take another one on the chin “for the good of the country.
The liberals will wake up again when another republican sits in the Oval office and the right will fall back asleep and by that time, it will be far too late.
And on it goes.
Instead of tax cuts at the beginning of the Bush administration, why not tax increases to pay for the wars that Bush wanted to start? There would have been no deficits to speak of, let alone be worried about.
Bush Hogs, lying through Their LIPSTICK, especially BS (Bush Stooge) Obameh! Instead, Let US achieve Critical MASS. with BS-PROMISED SINGLE-PAYER Health care!! Close his BP’n Crudibility GULF!!!
Ummm. Are you under the mistaken idea that this website is based in conservatives. Obviously not all liberals have drunk the Democratic President must not notice being sold down the river kool-aid.
I’ve been screaming about Obama since about four months into his administration. Maybe I gave him too much time since I was on Bush’s case in February 2001, but I was trying to give him a chance to make a case for his WTF choices.
So I’ll give you a little late to the wake up, but not that all of us haven’t done so at all. Don’t paint everything with so broad a brush.
About that trip to India and Indonesia. Sadly it took the majority of Americans about two decades too long to realize that the cheap merchandise at Walmart was killing the American worker. Unfortunately the company store trap has set in. They can’t afford to shop there long term, but short term that is the only way to feed and clothe their families. And then there is that 20 per cent of the human population who just don’t get anything…
“The hullabaloo from the right about how much the Asia trip is costing is a smoke screen for Obama’s attempts to get India to change it’s laws to allow corporation like Walmart in to wreck their economy too.”
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I hate it when a company sells me stuff cheaper than other guys. Those coolies in India need to shop at a place like Bonwit Teller or Neiman-Marcus. And get them on the road in a new Prius instead of whatever crumby junk they’re driving now. All those cows wandering around, pooping on the streets and belching methane into the atmosphere, probably should talk the Indians into changing that scene, too.
Dean’s article identifies a fundamental truth:
The individuals who staff the deficit commission aren’t qualified to determine how to correct the deficit. None of them objected to the loose government policies that allowed the housing bubble. Now all of a sudden they have found religion and are going to clamp down on seniors.
If we want to go back to the prosperity of the Clinton years and reduce the deficit, do two things:
1. Allow the Bush tax cuts to expire.
2. Get out of the wasteful occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Give us a peace dividend.
Good stuff Dean. Its funny how Wall Street plutocrats like Pete Peterson always neglect to mention that net interest is easily avoidable (by either the Fed buying Tsy debt direcly or Tsy minting high denomination coins instead of borrowing at all) and is a far larger share of projected debt that Social Security. This 2005 chart from the CBO tells the tale.
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/images/2009/Feb/challenges31.png
In 2049, 20% of GDP (four times the size of Social Security) was projected to go towards debt service and yet as Dean points out, the US Government can easily avoid the need to pay any debt service. Certainly taxes on the rich should rise before Social Security cuts should even be contemplated; and fair is fair, nobody’s taxes should go up before Tsy stops paying net interest it doesn’t have to (the other big cost driver is healthcare, but as Dean has pointed out many times, the only healthcare reform that can stabilize that is a single payer system).
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Looks like to me like they’re all dead ringers for the same old models of modern major moles in the mold of self-confessed economic hit man John Perkins. How long has this god-damned deal been in the works?
How much longer are we going to let these well-heeled monsters cannibalize us? They grind our flesh and bones, even steal our very homes, to make their god-awful obscene daily bread. And for that they’re given ever bigger payoffs.
What we need is a commission that studies how to cut the output deficit.
Okun’s Law says that every 1% drop in unemployment increases GDP by 2%. U3 unemployment is 9.6% (leaving aside that the broader U6 rate is almost double that) and if we use as our full employment target the 3.8% unemployment rate reached in the spring of 2000 (with 3.1% inflation), that’s a 5.8% employment gap.
In a $14.5 trillion GDP, our 11.6% output gap means we have an output deficit of $1.68 trillion. That’s bigger than the budget deficit! A pity our Washington graybeards don’t start a commission to focus on that.
No one said ( esp me) that ALL liberals were too late. but the ones I know who used to be so flamingly against Bush, now think Obama won’t “cave to the republicans”. they will not believe their lying eyes.
They read KOS not FDL…this blog is “too far left” for them.
Nothing is black and white.
And I don’t consider myself a “liberal” either. that’s too soft for what I feel about what’s happening in this country
It would help if we had a media…but…we don’t.
Bad news form Canada:
The End of Universal Health Care in Canada?
http://www.care2.com/causes/health-policy/blog/o-canada-you-health-care-utopia/
It seems everyone is ready to go back to the Middle Ages now.
Does anyone else remember “The Peter Principle?” In it, the author suggests that people rise to their level of incompetence.
I’m actually thinking that those residing inside the beltway have long surpassed that level.
They won’t stop until our ground bones are boiled down for glue.
Question: You say:
“The point is that we have a health care problem. If we don’t fix our health care system, then our economy will be in serious trouble, with one problem being large budget deficits. If we do fix our health care system, then there is no long-term deficit problem.”
So can I guess correctly that this is a healthcare bubble and that William Black’s concerns about control fraud, and other such concepts would apply?
dean baker
would you list the three deficit commissions by name.
tx
Robert Freeman, in his piece entitled “Obama was Used, and Now He’s Used Up” wrote:
“Not having the guts to raise taxes on the rich who now corner a larger share of the nation’s income than at any time since 1929, Obama has appointed a commission to recommend changes to Social Security. He loaded it with people who, even before it started, made it clear they would recommend gutting the most successful public program of the past 80 years.”
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/11/07
This is all on Obama. He should be held accountable at every opportunity. What a coward. I hope no one stands up for him when the Republicans start the investigations. He sure didn’t stand up for us.
Obama is on a trip with big multinational corporate execs, acting impotent, as usual.
“the deficit as a problem will disappear(.) only to magically reappear if/when Dem’s retake control… Been there, done that.
When you’re talking about jobs vs. money, I’ve found that a good rule of thumb is that a job costs about $100k a year. Using that metric, this $600b loss in revenue works out to 6 million jobs lost. Someone familiar with the construction industries could give you a more accurate estimate, I’m sure, but that’s roughly how many jobs we’re talking about.
“They read KOS not FDL…this blog is “too far left” for them.”
This blog is merely the leftmost outpost/rear guard of the Democratic Party and the political status quo. It serves to inoculate the Dem. Party from real left criticism, and to establish a marker for the P’sTB limit of tolerance of ‘left leaning thought’, in the strictly controlled market of ideas.
Anyone to the left of FDL is an unwelcome insurgent, and will be relegated to the quaint coral (My FDL) tied to a leash, deleted or banned from commenting on the front pages.
How can when everything else in the market place is getting cheaper and more efficient Health Care is getting expensive. Because of Soaring Health Care Costs not one sane company will try to setup shop here. With Individual Mandates and not even basic Anti-trust oversight health care is going to drag American economy into dust but in the meantime AHIP & Pharma will enjoy record profits till that happens.
Even within Health care lets take one component which is competative and is not captive to AHIP & Pharma lobbies. i.e. Lasik Surgery. It is getting CHEAPER by the day and not costly. Why. Simple reason. Competition.
Public Option or Medicare buy in is the only way to put competition in the midst and individual mandates need to be removed. It is totally unAmerican, against individual liberty of making a free choice and is a basic cost-control measure by which market economy works.
if one was, let’s say, the most accomplished progressive President in like forever, couldn’t he use these very times we are suffering through to once and for all demonstrate how false and detrimental the promises of tax cuts to the rich, free trade, and self governing corporations are to our country?
“There simply aren’t enough jobs to employ four out of five unemployed Americans, according to recent data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics
“…As the workforce suffers, the job-creators are flush with cash. With the main interest rate near zero, companies can get money cheaply. But because corporations have little incentive to spend that cash, many companies are simply hoarding it. As of the end of last month, U.S. companies hold about $1 trillion in cash, Reuters reported.
“…the Federal Reserve’s quantitative easing program, in which it will buy up to $900 billion in U.S. debt, with the intention of lowering interest rates still further, won’t necessarily do much to encourage companies to create jobs. With corporate America still in a defensive crouch, companies are likely to use the easy money to fill their coffers even more.”
***Or any democrat for that matter. Where are the discussions about how we got here, and what is not working?!?”
The way Dean Baker is framing this isn’t especially useful either. “We have a health care problem” could certainly and is being used as an excuse to cut back on public sector commitments in health care. Do we have a health care problem? I’d say our biggest problem is an effective private monopoly which limits the supply of doctors, raises the price of drugs to absurd levels, allows the bloodsucking insurance companies to set prices, etc. It also doesn’t help that the trend in public sector spending is going toward feeding these same monopolies. Also the debate needs to be centered around the level of real resources being devoted to health care as opposed to simply looking at it as a budget issue. If we have the resources, where’s the problem? If we don’t then choices will have to be made. Obama’s claim that his healthcare law reduces the deficit makes no difference (even if true) if these other issues are not honestly addressed. It seems to me the political argument should have been around which system gives the best value for the money instead of the uncritical acceptance of the usual “private sector good, government bad” claptrap.
i don’t think the deficit commission was convened to correct the deficit. i think it was convened to transfer wealth from the middle class to the top 2% or so. it was conceived and created to concentrate wealth and for no other purpose. for that job, the commissioners are eminently well qualified.