This could well have been the want ad Esquire used to attract a writer for its story titled, “War Against Youth.” This lengthy piece is the best compendium of warped logic and misplaced facts on this topic since the Peter Peterson financed film, IOUSA.
The whole story is given away in the first paragraph:
In 1984, American breadwinners who were sixty-five and over made ten times as much as those under thirty-five. The year Obama took office, older Americans made almost forty-seven times as much as the younger generation.
That sounds really awful. Thankfully it is not true, as readers could find by looking at the chart that accompanies the article. This is a ratio of wealth not income.
This is a huge difference. Wealth adds up a household’s total assets. This means the value of their home, their 401(k) and other savings, their checking account and car. The calculation the n subtracts liabilities: mortgage debt, car loans, credit card debt, and student loans. This is very different from income, which for most people means their wages and for older people their Social Security.
If the writer, the editor, the fact checker or anyone at Esquire had a clue, they would have caught this mistaken first paragraph and killed the piece. As their chart shows, the median net worth for households over age 65 was $170,494. That merits repeating a couple more times. The median net worth for households over age 65 was $170,494. The median net worth for households over age 65 was $170,494.
Again, net worth refers to total assets minus liabilities. This means that if we add up the home equity of the typical household over age 65, their 401(k) and all other savings, the value of their car and any other possessions they might have, it comes to just over $170,000. This is a bit more than the price of the median home.
In other words, if the typical household over age 65 took all of their wealth, they would have enough money to pay off their mortgage. After that they would be entirely dependent for their living expenses on their Social Security benefit, which averages a bit more than $1,200 a month.
To take another comparison, the lifetime accumulation of wealth of the typical household over age 65 would be approximately equal to what the CEO of Goldman Sachs earns in two days. A top hedge fund manager, who makes $3-4 billion a year, can pocket this much money in ten minutes. Yet, Esquire tells us that it is the high living retirees getting by on their $1,200 a month Social Security checks who are responsible for the questionable future facing the young.
Even this comparison of net worth is misleading. It shows that the net worth of households over age 65 increased from $120,000 in 1983 to $170,000 in 2009. However these numbers do not include pension wealth. A household over age 65 in 1983 was far more likely to be receiving money from a defined benefit pension than a household today. The loss of pension wealth would offset much of this modest gain in wealth over the last quarter century.
Also, using the ratio of the wealth of households over age 65 to the wealth of households under age 35 is just a foolish exercise. Households under age 35 never had much wealth. Their 1983 median wealth of $11,500 was not going to carry them far in life. The fact that it fell to $3,660 is not of great consequence compared to their career opportunities.
This would be like saying that homeless people are in trouble because the median amount of money they had in their pockets fell from $1.20 to 60 cents. Just as the main factor that will determine the well-being of homeless people is not the amount of change in their pocket, the main factor that will determine the well-being of the young is not their wealth.
A 25-year-old Harvard MBA with $150,000 in student loan debt will do just fine. The relevant issue for young people is their career prospects. These will not be very good if the 1 percent continue to get most of the gains from economic growth.
But the first paragraph is just the beginning. This piece is a true cornucopia of bad logic and misinformation. It tells readers that:
The biggest boondoggle of all is Social Security. The management of entitlement programs, already weighted heavily in favor of the older population, has a very specific terminal point that coincides neatly with the Boomers’ deaths. The 2011 report by the Social Security trustees estimates that, under its current administration, the fund will run out in 2036, so there’s just enough to get the oldest Boomers to age ninety.
Social Security is projected to first face a shortfall in 2036, according to the Trustees projections (2038 according to the Congressional Budget Office), but it does not “run out in 2036,” even in the absurdly unlikely event that Congress never does anything to address the shortfall. (The share of beneficiaries in the voting population will be about 50 percent larger in 2036 than it is today. Any bets that Congress won’t pay full scheduled benefits?)
There will still be plenty of tax revenue being paid in 2037. This will be sufficient to pay about 80 percent of scheduled benefits. With benefits projected to be close to 40 percent higher (after adjusting for increases in the cost of living) in 2037, the payable benefit in 2037 would still be higher than what the typical retiree gets today.
Perhaps even more importantly, today’s beneficiaries paid for their benefits. The return on their payroll taxes is reasonable (@1-3 percent, after adjusting for inflation), but hardly excessive. This is why it is absurd that Esquire tells us that:
According to a 2009 Brookings Institution study, “The United States spends 2.4 times as much on the elderly as on children, measured on a per capita basis, with the ratio rising to 7 to 1 if looking just at the federal budget.”
Yes, using the Brookings Institution methodology the United States spends about 1000 times as much on billionaires as on children, measured on a per capita basis.
Figure it out yet? Billionaires own government bonds. The government pays them interest on these bonds. A billionaire like investment banker Peter Peterson might well get tens of millions of dollars a year in interest on these bonds. It’s true that Peter Peterson paid for these bonds, but the Brookings Institution and Esquire says this does not matter.
The next golden nugget of ignorance comes in the very next paragraph:
But the government’s future ability to pay is decreasing rapidly precisely because the Boomers splurged so heavily during the Bush and Clinton years. Public debt per person in the United States currently stands at $33,777. George W. Bush inherited a public-debt-to-GDP ratio of 32.5 percent and brought it up to 54.1 percent during a period of economic growth.
If the measure of splurging is the public debt, then Esquire is on the wrong planet here. The gross debt of the federal government was equal to 64.1 percent of GDP at the end of 1992. It had fallen to 57.3 percent of GDP by the end of 2000. How could they get something so simple so wrong?
Of course the debt is not a measure of intergenerational equity. At some point everyone alive today will be dead. The bonds that they hold will end up in the hands of the next generation. This means that the debt will be paid from some members of younger generations to other members of younger generations. There can be an issue of intra-generational equity, for example if Bill Gates’ children and grandchildren own all the debt, but there is no issue of inter-generational equity here.
What matters for inter-generational equity is the overall state of the economy and the physical and natural infrastructure that we hand down to future generations. By the first measure, we are doing quite well. Productivity is increasing at the rate of close to 2.5 percent annually. This means that after 30 years, the average worker will be producing more than twice as much in an hour of work as they do today. If this gain is relatively evenly shared (i.e. the distribution of income gets no worse), then the typical worker in 2041 will enjoy a standard of living that is close to twice as high as what workers today enjoy.
It’s true that if we ignore global warming then this may not be the case. Similarly, if the U.S. manages to antagonize the rest of the world with its foreign policy, people here may not be able to enjoy the fruits of productivity growth. But this will have nothing to do with the Social Security and Medicare benefits received by baby boomers.
There is way too much other nonsense to address in this post, but one item is too delicious to pass up. There is a box with the heading:
How to disenfranchise a generation.
The box then discusses the measures proposed by Republicans in many states to impose more restrictions on voting, most importantly requiring a government issued photo ID card to vote. Incredibly, Esquire tells readers that this rule is aimed at young people, as though they expect these measures to keep the children of Wall Street traders and Fortune 500 CEOs from having a vote.
In fact, these laws are quite obviously targeted at minorities of any age. The Republicans are not trying to keep their kids from voting. There are trying to keep the kids of African Americans and Hispanics from voting, as well as parents and grandparents. Does Esquire really not know this?
This article is a shameful effort to transform the realities of class war, where the wealthy have been rigging the rules to secure themselves most of the gains from economic growth, into a generational issue. The combination of ignorance and dishonesty in this piece is truly extraordinary.
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Economist Dean Baker is co-founder of Center for Economic Policy and Research and writes regularly on CEPR’s Beat the Press blog, where this post first appeared.




49 Comments

Thanks for this, Dean. Arrrrgh.
This generational warfare is working, too. I frequently hear young, committed activists bemoaning the way my generation is ripping them off. They blame all of us older folks, viewing us all through the same prism. Worse yet, I am sure that it will get much more divisive as these lowlifes continue this pitch.
“There will still be plenty of tax revenue being paid in 2037. This will be sufficient to pay about 80 percent of scheduled benefits. With benefits projected to be close to 40 percent higher (after adjusting for increases in the cost of living) in 2037, the payable benefit in 2037 would still be higher than what the typical retiree gets today.”
You’re mixing up actual dollars vs inflation adjusted dollars. Yes in actual dollars, it will be higher, but there’s a reason for this I’ve bolded for you. Gas could be $10 in 2037.
“Perhaps even more importantly, today’s beneficiaries paid for their benefits. The return on their payroll taxes is reasonable (@1-3 percent, after adjusting for inflation), but hardly excessive. This is why it is absurd that Esquire tells us that:”
Then what do future beneficiaries get in terms of returns after inflation?
“then the typical worker in 2041 will enjoy a standard of living that is close to twice as high as what workers today enjoy.”
Just FYI, people make this argument all the time that regardless of income distribution, people today, even the poor ones are better off than people 40 years ago. Average life expectancy is higher, you can have more electronic gadgets, etc etc. But most here choose not to follow this line of reasoning.
Thanks Dean Baker!
I look at this from the point of view of displaced aggression. The people who caused the financial bubble and the subsequent economic depression are in the crosshairs so they find someone else to target. Boomers. It’s them Boomers who are to blame and did so for a “mess of pottage” like some Biblical foolish figure. It reminds me of how Peterson divided the youth from the old by always insisting that each one of their think tanks recommend that each generation be treated (unfairly) differently: with the old Social Security recipients “having nothing to fear” and the young taking all of the future cuts and eligibility age rises. They pulled it off in 1983 and I think they fully intend to do it again in 2012. My generation, the Boomers, will retire at 67 if they were born after 1960, and will receive reduced benefits due to the 1983 changes in SS. Boomers also paid forward to provide sufficient funds for their own and their parents Social Security benefits (into the 2.6 trillion dollar trust fund). But hey, folks, don’t let reality interfere with your intergenerational hate festival. Whatever you do, don’t look behind the curtain where Peterson, Bowles, Simpson, and Rivlin et al are clinking their champagne glasses and laughing while we fight with each other.
On the comparison of wealth:
This might be some consolation, except the substantial percentage decline is a harbinger of the decrease in their “career prospects”.
On the assets of those 65 and older:
That their median total assets comprised the appreciated median home value demonstrates the fragility of their investment and lack of forethought.
Per SS:
Those “trust fund” investment mostly relieved the income tax burden on the wealthy. The returns are from income taxes. Clearly, that was a bad investment. The young are not responsible for that.
On the reduction of the Federal debt:
The dates chosen – 1992 & 2000 – are mis-representative and reflect Clinton’s false boom.
On the fallacy that the inheritance means debt is generation neutral:
The accumulating Fed debt is intertwined with the financial fraud and political malfeasance which is the boomers’ legacy. The increase in inequality on their watch will result in decline in social welfare, as well. I suspect there is in fact a strong correlation between Fed debt and generational inequality and especially given the opportunities boomers enjoyed from the flush of empire.
On “productivity”:
Reconciling this with flat incomes and large increases in poverty requires some economic gymnastics and hallucination. Financialization and corporate globalization delink productivity and labor income; to expect “the typical worker in 2041 will enjoy a standard of living that is close to twice as high as what workers today enjoy” is laughable. The youth employment had “the lowest July rate on record for the series, which began in 1948.” Youth unemployment is at a crisis. The damage done already will be further perpetuated by motivational and skills deficits.
O, but if we set aside global warming and the international disgust, the scales are balanced.
Pitiful.
Great post.
Today’s youth or as Joe Pesci calls them “Yoots” should dial up Mitt Romney and the rest of the 1% Baby Boomers that sent their jobs and careers overseas so Communist and Fascist regimes could put their slaves to work at a dollar an hr. with no benefits or regulations, crushed the Unions here etc. etc. The Corporatists in America have a program and they’ve busy working it for35 yrs. The Left has sat and watched and done squat to stop them.
Just saw the charts today: nearly half of all seniors in the U.S. are facing life below the poverty line, and 60% of senior women.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338400/How-nearly-HALF-American-seniors-facing-life-poverty-line.html
Boomer bashing gives the 1% the cover to slash Social Security and Medicare, as lousy a safety net as they are already.
The war is against the 99% of us.
When it is new for the 1% to divide and win? Spin and fog? The fools are those that believe it. We don’t have time for fools right now. Focus on the next election because it could be our last.
Be careful what you wish for, Millennials. You might win the generation war, kill Social Security, and face retirement with 401(k)s that will leave you even worse off than Social Security thanks to the hefty fees the private sector will charge for managing your accounts.
The yoots are left to fight the class war that silents & boomers evaded by emigration to Isle de Comprador. There’s no generational war; just generational negligence.
That’s right, kids.
Someone stole your future but it wasn’t me.
I’m a 64-year-old retiree who is living on one of those rare defined-benefits pension, and so is my wife. Are we lucky? You bet. We were lucky enough to get and hold jobs that were unionized.
When I got my first summer job in 1963, I made $35 a week. Until I got my first union job in 1980, I was always scratchin’ around trying to make ends meet. My wife was in the same situation.
The key here: the union.
Back in the olden days, it was also much less expensive to attend college, and for those of us who didn’t attend college, there were quite a few assembly-line jobs to get that were high-paying; ones that were a good livelihood and only took eight hours out of your life. Try to find these jobs today.
Do I need to stress it again? Union jobs. Union jobs that the employers kept right here in the USA.
Then, around when Reagan came in, American employers got the idea they did not owe the citizenry a thing and started to offshore jobs such as I held. A decade later, they started offshoring professional jobs. You know, kids; the ones you went to college to get?
So now, young people, you find yourself in the unenviable position of having fewer jobs that pay less, and a growing competition from the rest of the world.
Oh, and did I mention the never-ending American war(s) of imperialism that seem to break out every ten years now? A swollen military budget leaves room for not much else. When it comes to guns vs. butter, the guns seem to be winning.
So please, young people, don’t blame me for putting you in the dispair-laden place you are now. It sucks, dammit, it sucks. You’re right.
But blame Mr. Moneybags and his minions. Don’t blame me.
Al
401(k)s are a boomer invention, comrade.
Just went to Esquire’s site: no place to comment, no way to email editors or writers.
Of course — if you’re going to throw bombs, you don’t want your victims to be able to defend themselves.
I’m hoping that Charlie Pierce read that and fires back with a response.
Failure is an orphan.
Book Salon up with Tim Weiner’s Enemies: A History of the FBI hosted by Mike German
Thanks, my pension covers my health care but at least I have health care now that I’m retired.
Great post Dean but since corp. owns the noise machine they might just win if us little people can’t stop blaming one another for the problems and take it to those that are the problem 1%
This reeks of Koch money.
I happened to see this Esquire piece, smelled the astroturf from a mile away, and tried to figure out who Stephen Marche (the purported author) is.
The PTB have covered their tracks well in this case, unlike some of their previous attempts to pit the young against the old. Marche seems to be a middling, grumpy, libertarian-ish pop culture writer of no particular note. There is no previous article I could find dealing with economics.
Chances are good he can suddenly afford an addition to the house or a new boat.
People graduate with extensive student loan debts from public universities, and no, they don’t make it ok. Back in the 60′s, college was low-cost or free, today it is financed by high-interest, high-pentaltied loans which are no dischargeable in bankruptcy. Babyboomers came into political power with the Reagen era and took away the advantages that they had from the younger generations. Wages are lower, housing, education, and virtually everything else is expensive; and it was done intentionally, so please, don’t automatically absolve yourself for indeed, holding right wing views about what young people should be forced to do. We need free college education, and a new deal that was better, not worse, than yours.
The Oligarchs buy these whorish writers, people like David Brooks and George Will and many others. They get paid well to stick a knife in the rest of humanity’s back the arrogant pricks.
Here is the link to the authors website and article. Give him hell.
http://stephenmarche.blogspot.com/2012/03/war-on-youth.html
Esquire comments:
http://www.esquire.com/talk
I bet right wing babyboomers will “give hell” to anyone who calls them on their bankrupt politics and correctly states that yes, your generation as a whole has legislated a worse deal for young people today, and many of you still don’t want economic equality. You will be forced to take responsibility for what you did.
I was more than dismayed by the Sixties bashing that Obama engaged in during the 2008 campaign. The subtle Boomer bashing on his part sowed the seeds of discontent upon many of his young followers. I heard them questioning Social Security back then. So many of the comments above are right on. We are in a class war and the two political parties are the enemy to the 99%’s best interests. Both parties and both presidential candidates wish to divide us up in as many ways possible. The attempt at generational divide is one of the nastiest and insidious that I have seen.
No, 401Ks are a Greatest Generation contribution. If you’re going to bash a generation, at least get your facts right.
Too often boomers get blamed for our the sins of our parent’s generation: Nixon, Reagan and Bush were of the so-called Greatest Generation: higher proportion of Republicans in it, still the greater proportion of senior citizens, who also vote Republican.
It’s they who got the full benefits of the GI Bill, the lower loan rates for mortgages (my father’s was 2%!), the economy boom of the 50s and 60s (Baby Boomers were the first generation to be saddled with student loans, and first went to work in the recession of the ’70s).
The so-called Greatest Generation began dismantling Roosevelt’s legacy as soon as they could get their Republicans in office in the ’70s.
It’s the so-called Greatest Generation who have pulled up the ladder after themselves, leaving the baby boomers and every other generation below.
The Baby Boomers are still majority Democrats: when the Greatest Generation dies off, you’ll see a swing in voting.
Which is why the Republicans are trying to suppress voter registration.
That’s because that line of reasoning suggests that social progress should not extend to all positions on the wealth scale, but in reality it does. Put in sewers because the rich don’t like the smell, and the whole city gets cleaner.
Poor people in 1900 didn’t have telephones. Poor people in 1930 didn’t either. Then they had phones, but not cordless, and then cordless, but not mobile phones. Then they had mobile phones, but no data plans. Why does this happen? Because products are gradually made cheaper as they become more common, until they are available to everyone. That doesn’t mean poor people are therefore not poor.
The alternative is to have actual peasants. That’s the other kind of poor. We don’t want to have peasants.
In the ’60s, college was free in California.
I went to a state college in New Jersey, $2,000 a year, but after my father’s business went under, I had to take out student loans that it took me years to pay off.
$2,000 a year was still quite a bit of money, especially when I was making $50 a week, and then all of $100 a week in the early ’70s.
Not as inflationary as now, but my father went to college on the G.I. bill for free.
But stop blaming the Baby Boomers for the sins of the Greatest Generation and Republicans of several generations.
When you get rid of the Republicans (and Libertarians, spoiler Green Party bankrolled by Republicans and independent Ayn Randians) of your generation, then we can talk.
Sure, “invention” by a generation is inaccurate, and dominance of an era by a generation questionable. Still, my rebuttal has credence.
#1 – You accept that there is validity to generational inequities.
#2 – The boomers were entirely at employment age when 401k’s were widely adopted and, as I recall, with enthusiasm.
#3 – Many boomers were eager to slough off the 60′s rebellion and the 70′s malaise for the dubious “Sunrise in America”. In fact, many of them were rather callous about the future until it became too grim too ignore.
I say the silents hit the peak. In any case, there’s little point to a trial, but it sure would be nice to hear the apologies for negligence, wouldn’t it, comrade?
One wonders: how do you avoid being a comprador yourself, and pay the internet bill that gives you the ability to write your comments? Do you trade beads or barter food or something?
You are saying that Democratic boomers were not part of the problem? No, I’m pretty certain that’s not true.
“When you get rid of libertarians …” Defensive much, comrade? First, whose generation is “you”‘s? Second, why are they you’s problem, hmm?
Ah, so we are all equally compradors? No, surely not. Do some make sacrifices to distance themselves from compradorship? Surely.
One liberal apologist would always confront me with my computer usage: “You use a computer, so you can’t complain about progress.” O, but I do and I will, and if disappearing computers would save us from our present destination, I would.
The truth will not be undermined by my “hypocrisy”.
I agree. My generation ( boomers) sold out long ago. We gave up the struggle, hell we never really engaged. We fought against the Vietnam War in the 60′s for selfish reasons and when it was over we moved on.
Any identification of who the writer is?
[By continuing to read comments, I found the reference @ 22]
Went on to his own “page.”
He looks like Pantsload’s evil twin.
Heh. Even Firepups can’t seem to view themselves as a unified community of allies. We are willing to go to war with each other over every trivial difference, every disagreement over tactics, every difference in prioritization of all the various identity issues. Maybe the 1% have just stuck with the winning strategy because it IS the winning strategy, and the rest of us should just give up and accept our appropriate ranking in the Darwinian survival-of-the-fittest paradigm. At least FDL can still be proud of being controlled by the old-timers, who will vote for Obama. Yay, Dems.
Democratic compradorship is deeply rooted, comrade RC.
Word.
Word War 1?
I still prefer the “fierce debate” paradigm to the “war” paradigm. If we can’t all regard each other as solid allies at the end of the debate, then we all lose, and the 1% all win. That should be clear to all.
A good point.
Btw, FDL is only “controlled by” Jane and I would never conflate any one group of commenters’ or writers’ view with “FDL” when there has never been an editorial party line (to say the least.)
It was the corporatist republicans AND democrats that brought us where we are today. Loyalty to the right wing, corporatist democratic party is a failed, outdated model that thankfully more young people today are turning against.
I graduated from college a few years ago with almost $80,000 in student loan debts from a public university, so I’m not going to be told by a baby boomer economist who hasn’t even looked into the problem that the cost isn’t an issue. Meanwhile not a day goes by that I don’t see people of the baby boomer generation attacking, condescending to, and oppressing younger generations. If you’re not one of them, you have to show that.
And at least bother consulting some young people before deciding that any generational conflict must be funded by the koch brothers. I think social security should be vastly expanded, and that free college education through PHD needs to be legislated.
It took me 20 years to pay off my college debts, from a public college.
My father went to college for free on the G.I. Bill (which for the Greatest Generation was about 80% larger than now, and also larger than for those Baby Boomers who served.)
So, yes, cost is/and was an issue: and not a day goes by when I’m not blamed “as a baby boomer” for the sins of the Greatest Generation and Republicans (when I’ve been a life-long Democrat, voting for as liberal Democrats as I could get.)
The Blue Dogs are also a symptom of the so-called Greatest Generation: the Dixiecrats and politicians in former slave states who left the party to become Republicans after the Civil Rights movement, and their Blue Dog imitators who take on the false mantel of Democrats.
It’s the Greatest Generation Republicans who pulled up the ladder on the Baby Boomers on pensions, as just one for instance: my father had two, my brother and I none. And likely you won’t either, but don’t blame me or my brother for that, but Republicans and the 1%. It’s since Republicans got power that both Roosevelt’s legacy, and Johnson’s Great Society began being dismantled. And the so-called Greatest Generation voted for those assholes overwhemingly.
I think Social Security should be vastly expanded (as should Medicare), and free college education through PHD. It’s “Conservatives” and Republicans and Libertarians and the Green Party dupes bankrolled by Republicans and the 1%, no matter their generation, who don’t.
Here’s the irony: by misdirecting your resentment at Democratic boomers, you’re giving cover to the Republicans and the 1% and their Blue Dog minions to slice up Social Security and Medicare before you get to it.
If you continue to misdirect your resentments, it’s your generation and those that follow who will pay for that sin of yours.
Democrats=republicans. Holding both responsible gives cover for no one. Democratic politicians have been warmongering, corporatist clowns for decades now; it is not just the blue dogs, even the supposedly “progressive caucus” sells out in favor of militarism and corporate power every chance they get, because they are under the boot of the right wing democratic party leadership. They are part of the system, part of the problem, and need to go.
Green party people are not ‘dupes,’ but rather, they have real principals that they refuse to sell out in favor of signing onto the agenda of endless war and the 1% that the democrats are selling us every day. I am proud that I voted for Nader and will be voting for a third party or independent left candidate in this election too. Both the democrats and republicans are the 1%.
It’s hard to be precise when talking about a large community. I mean my labeling attempts only to identify loosely arranged groups that share many of the characteristics and attributes I highlight. Shoe fits, wear it, basically. I’m trying to get BEYOND identifying the divisions and members, and get to where we can actually debate the meat of the issues without talking past each other. The group dynamic hinders those debates, it does not facilitate them.
Nodding. I just think it’s important to remember that any one group does not represent “FDL” – one of the biggest strengths of FDL has been the openness Jane has encouraged and supported for diverse views to be heard – and diverse approaches discussed.
To my mind, the young generation has been the victim of generational injustice as the older Baby Boomer Generation has: Plundered the planet, looted natural resources without regard to environmental consequences, recklessly borrowed money through cash advance, or just printed it to pay for their own entitlements and pampered lives, ruthlessly and preemptively attacked countries with youthful populations 50% of whom are inhabited by people under the age of 20, baselessly attacked these same countries the Baby Boomers erroneously perceived as a threat to their way of life, treated minors as adults in the “criminal justice” system, tortured people captured on foreign battlefields, violated the Geneva accords on humane treatment, etc. I still think that global youth – oriented solutions to the world wide problems is the only answer for both Humanity and for the future of our current younger revolution generation!
Siun, I absolutely agree wwith that, and have been here from the very early days, every day, to the exclusion of almost all other sites, because I have always felt this place was so special. But it cannot be denied, because it was recently openly proclaimed, that some old-timers have a “we were here first, you’re not gonna make o accept any changes that we see as threatening to our ossified positions” attitude (paraphrasing, of course, but capturing the essence, I believe-perhaps you might find it corroborative to note the recent change of screen name adopted by Larue-how else to explain something like that? It is clear to me that none of us are going to find good allies anywhere else, we must overcome our differences. That means everyone must help that process, but not by denying and sweeping under the rug, and definitely not by saying “shut up and go away.” Dysfunctional families need to honestly and openly discuss their issues if they want to have any chance to get past them.
Sorry, no edit function, so please read with a forgiving eye. ;-)
Pray tell, what did your justified resentments avail you?
And do you claim that to the mass hypnosis of neoliberalism your democratic cohort never succumbed?