Michael Gerson used his columntoday to make a bizarre attack on the NYT’s polling analyst Nate Silver. He complains to readers:
Silver’s prediction is not an innovation; it is trend taken to its absurd extreme. He is doing little more than weighting and aggregating state polls and combining them with various historical assumptions to project a future outcome to project a future outcome with exaggerated, attention-grabbing exactitude. His work is better summarized as an 86.3 percent confidence that the state polls are correct.
Actually Silver is doing nothing more than weighting and aggregating state polls and combining them with various historical assumptions. He is very clear on this. Gerson can go to Silver’s website and find in great detail the methodology that Silver uses for weighting various polls based on their past track records. Gerson apparently thinks this is an indictment, complaining about Silver’s precise 86.3 percent probability estimate.
The real problem here is simply that Gerson does not understand what Silver is doing. Silver’s 86.3 percent prediction is premised on the assumption that the polls do not contain a systemic bias and that there is not some event(s) that radically shifts the attitude of the electorate between the last round of polls and the election. With these assumptions we can treat the polls as comparable to the draw of white and black marbles out of a huge jar.
If we take enough draws of 1000 balls (you’re welcome to use a different number) and the average of each of these draws is that 50.5 percent of the marbles are black, we can begin to say with great confidence (which can be specified with many decimal points) that the majority of the marbles in this huge jar are in fact black. This is what Nate is doing. He does adjust the draws — some polls consistently find more white or black marbles than the average of the other polls. Unless these polls have proved to be accurate in these divergences, Nate makes an adjustment for their tendency to find too many white or black balls. This process is the value-added that Nate provides over a simple averaging of the various polls.
This doesn’t guarantee that Nate will prove right. There could be some systemic bias in the polls. This would be comparable to a situation where the black balls are heavier and therefore fall to the bottom and are less likely to be in the draw. The way to argue this case is to present a reason for why the polls could be biased. There are possible stories here: voters with only a cell phone may be undercounted, the assumptions about who is a likely voter may prove wrong, or the polls may be undercounting Spanish speaking voters.
These factors, and others, could lead to a systemic bias in the polls. But if Gerson, or anyone else, thinks this is the issue now, then it is incumbent on them to make the case, not get angry at Silver for using statistical methods.
The real problem is that Gerson just seems to have difficulty with numbers. He concludes his piece by telling readers:
“And so, at the election’s close, we talk of Silver’s statistical model and the likely turnout in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, and relatively little about poverty, social mobility or unsustainable debt.”
Yes, it would be great if we had more discussion of poverty and social mobility throughout the campaign and beyond. It’s hard to blame Silver for the lack of such discussion. The pre-Silver elections were not exactly dominated by serious discussions of major national issues. I recall in the 1988 presidential election when the big issues in the race between George H.W. Bush and Michael Dukakis were Willy Horton and the pledge of allegiance.
As far as the third item on Gerson’s list, unsustainable debt, this is where his knowledge of math again fails him. Here is the ratio of interest payments to GDP over the last four decades:
Source: Congressional Budget Office.
As can be seen, the debt burden is very far from unsustainable, the interest burden is near its post-war low. In other words Gerson is angry because he thinks that somehow Silver’s polling analysis has diverted the country from discussing a non-existent problem.
Dean Baker is co-director of the Center for Economy and Policy Research. He also writes a regular blog, Beat the Press, where this post originally appeared.
Photo of Nate Silver by jdlasica. Photo of Michael Gerson by The Aspen Institute. Both under Creative Commons license.





28 Comments

Gerson’s a pravda err… Post lackey. ’nuff said.
Heh! If Nate Silver makes him pissy, Sam Wang would send him into transports of tail-chasing rage right now:
Explain to me again what this 85 percent confidence coefficient means? I don’t recall anything like that in my old stats textbook.
I fear we’ll be talking a lot about all this for months to come, but the root of the problem with Nate Silver is his exemplary ability to call the election ahead of time by using publically available poll data.
His calling the election for Obama is problematic because the Republicans have done everything possible put in place a system capable of changing the results by, amongst other techniques, installing hacks in the electronic voting systems employed in much of our country, and controlled by partisan operatives.
After all the recent effort being put into convincing us that the election is a ‘toss-up’ on the part of the M$M, they evidently believe that it is prudent to invest a little effort in damaging Nate Silver’s reputation in order to head off any protest based on his analysis.
BTW, the controversial ‘patches’ installed in many of Ohio’s county tabulators in the last few days are evidence of the sort of techniques that could be employed by those wishing to subvert our elections.
Should the choice of our country’s next president come down to the vote in Ohio, there is every reason to closely investigate the nature of those last minute patches, and considering the hatchet job being done on Nate Silver, it looks as if the M$M is in the forefront of pre-emptory efforts to take him out of any battle enjoined in reaction to ‘surprises’ in Ohio’s election results.
Apparently Silver also adjusts for house bias based on a statistical analysis of how much the error from actual results were at specific times before the election. This adjusts for narrative-creating pollsters like Rasmussen that tend to overestimate Republican support until right before the election. And that destruction of the narrative of Mittmentum is why Nate Silver has become a target.
The GOP strategy might have been to make the election appear close enough to allow voter suppression strategies to tip the balance. And the pollsters might have been interested maintaining a narrative of a close race draws media dollars and more polling. Nate Silver’s model confounds these strategies.
Eh? The corp-owned propoganda wurlitzer wants this Kabuki Show horse race to appear to be a very tight race with a breathless “photo finish.”
Nate Silver is raining on their parade with all his nasty facty-ness: waaaaaaaaaaaah! Evil Nate! LIEbrul media! waaaah!
If Sam Wang becomes known and trusted by the public, he’ll suffer the same treatment that Nate Silver is receiving.
They’ve already done everything they can to discredit exit-polling, up to, and including just plain not performing exit polls in many places.
At the rate they’re attacking honest analysts; I expect they’ll eventually quit teaching math in public schools.
We don’t need no stinking facts.
It’s a New Tomorrow, Today! Because Today is when the new tomorrow begins. Facts prove it.
It’s instructive to remember that the person who said the words upon which your humorous paraphrase is based was holding a gun.
I am going with Peggy Noonan’s vibrations! TO hell with these geeky stat nerds like Wang and Silver.
Yesterday in her WJS column Nooners called it for Romney based on vibrations she is feeling.
Now, if that doesn’t convince you, what will? Magic dolphins? Data smata.
Michael Gerson exemplifies the old adage that it’s better to remain silent and be thought a fool….
I see this as yet another dickless bullying attempt by a Republican figure. Fuck them! One doesn’t have to make his living in politics or math to know the score.
Dame Lady Mucketity Peggitha NooningtonHampshire got confused in her pills ‘n hooch haze and accidentally channeled theBeach Boys whilst scribing her pearls of wisdom to toss before the swinish ungrateful 99% masses.
That is a good one. Vibes, got it.
will say it again, I know nate is great at this, thing is, my personal “vibrations” have always agreed with nate’s predictions
this is different, and it’s more then “vibrations”, here in blue new york and ct, I do not know anyone who is voting for obama, democrats are staying home and republicans are voting mitt
on the other hand I had predicted an obama win long ago
anyway, I will not be surprised if mitt wins so my vibrations are with peggys
Just more Soreloserman BS even before the hammer goes down on his boy. Who knows how this will turn out? The D’s did do one thing though that might secure this for them, they widened the battleground and made it harder for the thieving anti democratic /fascistic tactics of the GOPT to prevail. That was tactically smart. The GOPT will without a doubt try to flip votes in OHIO and FLA. where they control the voting appart and I won’t be surprised to see such things happen. The whole “black box” system is wide open to fraud has been from day 1, that’s why the pols LOVE it so much. It all fits one of their idols maxim “It’s who counts the votes that’s important NOT how anyone voted!” a paraphrase of Comrade Stalin’s famous quote about voting. The GOPT controls a good part of the machines , so nobody here should be surprised if Nat missed the scale and scope of the robbery about to happen. Remember the D’s have their hackers and IT teams in the battle as well. This is the battle of the two CORPORATIST A teams and none of us know how or what the black bag operations behind the scenes are really doing.
I’m not sure Dean even bothered to read anything beyond the first paragraph of the article he’s critiquing on this one. At least this criticism just isn’t making much sense to me based on what Gerson actually wrote.
Ultimately, Baker’s “corrected” description of Silver’s methodology is pretty much just a re-statement of what Gerson said in the first place. The process of combining polls under the assumption that they can be treated as comparable is known as aggregating, just like Gerson mentioned. And while preferred terminology may differ, it seems pretty difficult to assert “historical weighting” is not just a more succinct way of stating “an adjustment for their tendency to find too many white or black balls”.
But that aside, Baker doesn’t even mention, let alone address, the main point being made by Gerson … and I actually think the point he’s making is quite a good one.
And he is also totally right about the “heads I win – tails I win” nature of the niche Silver has carved out. If Romney wins, he’ll explain why numbers from incompetent Pollster-X threw off the formula, down-weight them for next election … and move on as the self-proclaimed perfect one.
Don’t get me wrong, if you want to abuse numbers that are a lagging indicator to construe them as predictive, you’ve pretty much got to do what Silver’s doing. And as far as that goes, he does it well. But his is a product that exists exclusively because the Media demands it, feeds off of it, and ultimately uses it as a bludgeon to ram through narrative. It is an entertainment product, not a scientific one.
Politicians who utilize polling to help decide the course of their campaigns draw from an *entirely* different ecosystem of pollsters and methodologies to guide their decisions. There *is* a reason for that.
Gerson’s Wiki states, “In early 1999, Karl Rove recruited Gerson for the Bush campaign.[9]
Aside from the fact that Gerson doesn’t understand basic arithmetic, it’s obvious that his attack on Nate Silver is a tactic lifted right out of the Rove playbook. Just another half-bright wingnut, running his mouth for cash…
I have the feeling that o was getting too far ahead of mitt, so he threw the first debate. I didn’t see any of the debates, but I’m not surprised. This seemed to bring the race closer. The vote supressers are working hard in various states, e.g. Florida and Ohio, to be able to flip to mitt. Sandy has made life harder in NJ, NY, and CT with dim voters hurt worst. The reason that the repugs worked to do away with exit polls was that they indicated correctly that Kerry won in Ohio, but the machines were hacked for w. After all, it was the exit polls (which the US cited) in the Ukraine that ousted the nominal winner of the presidency. I am not in favor of either of the uniparty candidates because I think the policies overall will be the same (o hasn’t really affected any attitudes and actions toward women) under either. I know it is late in the day, but I’m voting for Jill Stein. I wonder how that will affect Nate’s model.
True. It already happened. Just take a look at the math scores in DC and Texas. The kids can’t add or divide, let alone cope with statistics or algebra.
No, they don’t. There is no “secret society” of super-special pollsters that only “politicians” can afford to hire.
Actually, yes there is. Except that their existence isn’t particularly secret. They *are* very well paid though.
Here’s an example of one such individual dropping a bit of knowledge after the narrative-polling set got it so wrong in Nevada during the 2010 cycle.
Thing is, this type of polling doesn’t actually serve the objectives of the media organizations and influence groups that drive the narrative-polling industry. It’s totally apples and oranges. The narrative polling stuff flogged on the teevees is primarily being generated to *influence* opinion and fill air-time whereas the politician-hired analysis is being done to gain an edge by extracting accurate information construed in the proper context.
Funny you should be pointing to Mellman as a guy who got it right.
Nate Silver agrees with you, and offered the following as a partial explaination;
The quote is from your link.
Nate Silver makes a living knowing which pollsters to trust, and why.
He trusts the same people you trust.
…now.
That is I’m sure he’s made a few ‘adjustments’ since the Reid-Angle contest.
Forget all the polls……………….. With one day to go before the election, we’re becoming super- saturated with poll data predicting a squeaker in the race for president. Meanwhile, bookmakers and gamblers are increasingly certain Obama will hang on to the White House.
With more than $13 million wagered on who will win the race for president, UK bookmaker William hill has listed odds of 1-5 for Obama and 7-2 for Romney……………………….Bookies hate loosing money and they look at more variables than the Nates of the world. The last time they were wrong was in the 1930′s.
In the case of the 2010 senate race in Nevada, the most significant factor missed was the crossover vote. A more in-depth interview featuring both Mellman and Angle’s pollster got into that a bit deeper. Turns out Angle’s people were polling a Reid advantage going into voting day also.
The public analysis used party affiliation as a proxy for candidate preference. Pundits studiously ignored both internal data from the public polls and signals from some pretty major hitters in the Nevada GOP (like the speaker of the Senate even) that crossing over for Reid was completely permissible. Offering my own pre-election analysis is the only topic I’ve ever written a diary about here at FDL. FWIW, I managed to nail it by using my knowledge of local politics to apply a better set of assumptions to the narrative polling data; but even then, the sample size on these things is typically so damn small there were very few polls one could use to derive likely crossover within a reasonable margin of error. Even knowing exactly what one is looking for … the shit they generate for the news guys and operatives is almost all noise and intentional misdirection.
My point wasn’t to get into a Nate Silver fanboy debate. Like I said, I feel Silver does what he does well. But he is constrained by the data with which he is forced to work and simply doesn’t have access to any of Mellman’s information – or the aggregate information from *any* candidate’s pollster. The specifics of data such pollsters produce is work product generated exclusively for the campaigns which hire them; data is only released that helps create whatever image the campaign decides to project.
The point I was trying to make about the nature of polling is better characterized by Mellman’s direct quote closer to the end of the article:
The polls being generated and then released in the press have a purpose. That purpose has everything to do with creating an impact and influencing the electorate and damn near nothing to do with providing the information required for qualified observers to perform a valid political analysis.
Thanks, Dean, for a great post, as usual. Rec’d.
When, oh when, will these idiots stop trying to distract the nation with their incessant blithering and blathering about “debt” and “deficit”? We can always mint more money, provided of course that we tax back enough to prevent inflation.