
The Serious People are after your social security.
Robert Samuelson is angry that President Obama doesn’t agree with him that Social Security and Medicare should be cut. Who does Obama think he is, disagreeing with Samuelson and the Serious People?
Just to be clear on the playing field here (Samuelson seems confused), not only does President Obama oppose cuts to these programs, his opponent Governor Romney also argued against cuts to Medicare. And polls consistently show that the vast majority of Republicans, conservatives and even self-identified Tea Party supporters also oppose cuts to Social Security and Medicare. So President Obama is defending a position that has the support of the vast majority of the American people regardless of political or ideological affiliation.
Samuelson gets a lot of other items in his piece wrong as well. When complaining about Social Security and Medicare he tells readers:
The young will pay more and get less.
Actually, this is not true. Near retirees will have paid in to Social Security at current tax rates through almost their whol working life and will have to wait until age 67 to retire with full benefits. Younger workers will be able to anticipate longer life expectancies which means that they will likely get a slightly better return on average on their Social Security taxes. In terms of return on Medicare, if we care about outcomes, they almost certainly will do better with this program as well. Since Samuelson provides no sources, it is not clear what he thinks he is talking about.
He is also upset that:
Supporting retirees is now the federal government’s main activity.
To people who not ideologues, this makes sense since the government can provide retirement income and health care benefits far more efficiently than the private sector. Apparently Samuelson wants to waste resources and have slower growth just so he can feel good about having a smaller government.
Samuelson then redefines “rich” telling readers that:
“The Administration on Aging reports that in 2010, 25.9 percent of households headed by someone 65 or older had incomes exceeding $75,000.” Isn’t that neat; when it comes to taxes we are told that $250,000 is not rich, but getting $75,000 a year is rich when we talk about people collecting the Social Security and Medicare benefits that they paid for.
On this point, Samuelson misrepresents research by Eugene Steuerle and Caleb Quakenbush, reporting that it shows an average earning couple who retired in 2010 will collect more back in Social Security and Medicare benefits than they paid in taxes to these programs. In fact, their research shows that they will collect somewhat less in Social Security benefits than they paid into the program in taxes, using a 2.0 percent real interest rate.
The research does show that this couple’s Medicare benefits will on average will cost more than what they paid in taxes, but there are two important qualifications to this conclusion. First, the projections assume that health care costs rise at a far more rapid pace than they have over the last 5 years. A recent study from the Federal Reserve Board, along with other research, provides serious grounds for questioning the assumption of rapid health care cost growth.
The other important qualification is that the main reason for the high costs is not what the couple is receiving, but what health care providers are getting paid. We pay more than twice as much per person as people in other wealthy countries. This gap is assumed to grow to a ratio of 3 or 4 to 1 in these projections. It is a bit peculiar to get upset at seniors because we pay too much money to doctors and drug companies.
Finally, folks who are genuinely concerned about generational equity must remember that wages in average for people in their twenties are projected to be on average more than 50 percent higher than were wages for people now in their 60s. While most workers have not shared in this wage growth this is due to the enormous upward redistribution of income over the last three decades.
The amount of upward redistribution to CEOs, Wall Street types, and doctors and lawyers, swamps anything that young people might lose in paying for their parents’ or grandparents’ Social Security and Medicare. People who were honestly concerned about the living standard of the young would be focused on this upward redistribution and not be wasting time trying to steal away workers’ Social Security and Medicare.
Dean Baker is co-director of the Center for Economy and Policy Research. He also writes a regular blog, Beat the Press, where this post originally appeared.
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7 Comments

What punishment should be given to the liars of dee cee? Their plan is to steal Social Security and give it to Petey Peterson and the Hedge Fund managers. The budget problem is because of wars, and more wars, and “Black” secret war projects.
These liars also fail to mention that we will be paying for their wars for years, even if they were ended.
The best, easiest and quickest way to boost the economy, is to increase Social Security and Medicare.
Note that raising the eligibility age is simply “incremental privatization.”
I read the article and thought that Robert Samuelson is an idiot. He cannot see the forest through the trees.
the ss money became part of the general pool of funds and has been looted thru tax cuts. the $$ were replaced by government bonds which will have to redeemed for cash. DC traitors do not want to pay that money back
Exactly! And those bonds can be redeemed only if SS runs a deficit, which is why Obama is scrambling to
cutfixstrengthen SS now, before those bonds get redeemed but 20 years before the Trust Fund will run out.Both of you are repeating right-wing crap designed to scare people into believing their Social Security is already gone and we all just should stop defending it. When really we ought not to be on the backfoot spending our energy defending against these truly ignorant attacks but should be aggressively demanding more, HIGHER benefits for the elderly and disabled, as the average monthly SS payment of about $1200 is not enough for anyone to live on.
I suggest your educate yourself. I’ll provide some links to help. A couple of points to get you rolling:
1. The SS bonds have the backing of the federal government like every other US treasury bond. If the government were to make the historic and unprecedented decision to default on the bonds (the only way it can “loot” the SS money), the US government’s credit would be destroyed and the US and world economy would likely collapse.
2. SS bonds, which have varying maturities, are redeemed all the time. There is not some fixed point in future time at which all the money invested by the SS fund in federal bonds has to be paid back all at once. And the bonds are paid back by rolling over the debt, which does not increase the debt, as the old debt is cancelled.
3. All federal monies raised through the selling of government bonds become “part of the general pool of funds.” It’s irrelevant, but the Wall Street shills have seized on this fact to convince people like yourselves that it’s something unusual and nefarious.
3. The SS Trust Fund is not going to “run out” in 20 years.
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/fundFAQ.html
http://www.creators.com/lifestylefeatures/business-and-finance/your-social-security/trust-fund-invested-in-government-bonds.html
Bonds http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/specialissues.html
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3299
Redeeming bonds: https://secure.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0501140240
Per the Wikipedia: