Another morning, another cup of coffee or tea. Another breakfast. And, facing and enjoying another day.
Do any of you, or the ones you know and love ever get feeling SAD? Seasonal Affective Disorder. The Blues, as it were.
You can feel pretty alright most of the time, enjoy mental health during most of the year, but as the winter approaches, you start to feel glum, cranky, moody or just generally not as swell as you usually feel? Happens to me sometimes. Even the Goggie starts getting weirdish when it’s been raining for a solid week and wants to get his ya yas out. Just tried to attack the cat who doesn’t let anything bother him. I tossed a pinecone at him and gave him a biscuit. Easy to help him feel better.
How to feel better is the question. I know this is probably dorky to use the wiki solutions, but they say that
Light therapy or phototherapy (classically referred to as heliotherapy) consists of exposure to daylight or to specific wavelengths of light using lasers, light-emitting diodes, fluorescent lamps, dichroic lamps or very bright, full-spectrum light, usually controlled with various devices. The light is administered for a prescribed amount of time and, in some cases, at a specific time of day
.
The other day, during the 5 day deluge of gray sky and water falling from the sky, there was a respite and the sun was shining on my front porch, so I took my wicker rocking chair and a book out there. Just 20 minutes of sun on my face made me feel better.
From the Mayo Clinic, this definition:
Seasonal affective disorder (also called SAD) is a type of depression that occurs at the same time every year. If you’re like most people with seasonal affective disorder, your symptoms start in the fall and may continue into the winter months, sapping your energy and making you feel moody. Less often, seasonal affective disorder causes depression in the spring or early summer.
Treatment for seasonal affective disorder includes light therapy (phototherapy), psychotherapy and medications. Don’t brush off that yearly feeling as simply a case of the “winter blues” or a seasonal funk that you have to tough out on your own. Take steps to keep your mood and motivation steady throughout the year.
I find that exercise helps me sometimes. It could be the combination of getting my vitamin D and the increased circulation. But, when it’s raining, I take that as an excuse not to go to the park. Of course, I could actually walk with an umbrella.
It can sometimes be hard to tell the difference between nonseasonal depression and SAD, because many of the symptoms are the same. To diagnose SAD, your doctor will want to know if:
You have been depressed during the same season and have gotten better when the seasons changed for at least 2 years in a row.
You have symptoms that often occur with SAD, such as being very hungry (especially craving carbohydrates), gaining weight, and sleeping more than usual.
A close relative-a parent, brother, or sister-has had SAD.
This article by medical authors Roxanne Dryden-Edwards, MD and Melissa Conrad Stöppler, MD, Chief Medical Editor also lists some possible reasons for SAD, although the exact causes of seasonal affective disorder (SAD) are unknown.
– Chemical changes in the brain caused by changes in the amount of sunlight are probably involved. Risk factors for SAD include living in geographical locations that are dark or cloudy during the winter.
– A tendency to have SAD may run in some families.
– Given how often alcohol abuse and dependence occur in individuals with SAD, there is thought to be a possible genetic link between having either illness.
– Low levels of vitamin D seem to be a risk factor for developing a number of mood disorders, including SAD.
And, from the same article, when light therapy is not enough to elevate the mood, medication is another way to go.
The antidepressants that are used most frequently are the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs. Examples include fluoxetine (Prozac), sertraline (Zoloft), paroxetine (Paxil), citalopram (Celexa), and escitalopram (Lexapro).
I also think that the stress of the holidays can increase the chance of getting depressed. Even if I don’t have the pressure of having all of the exact perfect gifts piled high under the well appointed tree, I may remember holidays where I did feel that way and being inundated by every horrible song played in the grocery store, department store or drug store reminds me.
I also think that having good friends to share my troubles and my joys with helps me feel not so all alone. We are a family here at the Lake and joining each other first thing in the morning, or even later in the day, is a wonderful thing.



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‘Morning Pups.
And, if not everyone realizes it, I want a Hippopotamus for Christmas is a song.
Thanks, demi, funny, I remember at some time seeing articles about the incidence of psychiatric disorders in the Northern European countries with their long winters, and thought maybe that’s why they did the Yule log and such traditions.
Up to my ears at the moment, thanks for hosting, be back online again soon.
Over Easy is one of the best cures for SAD.
Good morning.
Mr. Boxturtle: I would finish the leftover chicken that I made from
your recipe but everyone ate it all up. Great times.
And, no one wonders why Washington state legalized marijuana. Right?
Take good care, Ruth.
Righty-oh, Felix.
I do apologize if you get the Hippo song stuck in your ear. If that happens, just listen to BB again. :)
Good morning all and thanks for the postnhost demi. I am a sufferer of Seasonal Affective Disor…. ah fuck it what’s the use.
(just kiddin about the fuck it part)
Good morning. Nice topic, Demi!
BoxTurtle, I sent the recipe to my daughter, and she wanted to know what kind of Rice a Roni. Apparently there are several flavors. I told her I’d ask, but that anything that goes with chicken should work.
I’ve never experienced SAD, that I know of, but I have a couple of friends who do. It gets pretty gray here in NW Indiana and lower Michigan. The Great Lakes bring lots of cloud cover.
Good morning everyone. Thanks for the post and host demi.
SAD must be why the vampire in those Twilight movies is always so moody. He doesn’t get enough sunlight.
All joking aside, I always get particularly funky this time of year. Maybe this explains it.
You’re not alone. I don’t know if telling you that helps. Let’s all go to the tropics. Eh?
Hi hi, Molly.
We had chicken last night and originally I was going to do it with rice a roni, but instead cooked it with some veggies and wrapped in lavash bread. Always trying something new and different.
Good Morning, Kris. This might explain it. Yep.
You can join me and oldnslow and go some place tropical.
I was wondering if you had started working out like you mentioned. Walking for 20 minutes a day will help some of the symptoms. Especially if you’re stuck inside on your computer, take some time out and walk around the block.
Not sure I have SAD. Just normal grumpiness. But I really don’t like the shorter days. I start getting sleepy when the sun goes down, yet there are still several hours before bedtime.
Boxturtle (I blame Obama)
Really? You don’t seem like a grumpy person to me, BT.
I normally wouldn’t be cooking for enough people to make the Rice a Roni dish, unless I wanted to freeze some and make several meals out of it, like I do for soups. But I like dark meat chicken, and it occurs to me that I could put some drumsticks and thighs on top of the rice and soup and cheese instead of cut up chicken breast, and then portion it out into freezer containers for later. Hmmm…have to peruse the Rice a Roni when I’m at the grocery next.
I only had the wild rice recipe on hand and I was thinking of friend
Nonquixote when I poured it in.It worked real well.
I suffer from SAD. Exercise, friendship and music seems to help.
Thanks for the topic demi and good morning. I guess I don’t get S.A.D.
Does S.D. count, it’s kinda monthly. Kidding. You should break this out again in February when most of us are more suicidal here in the north.
I bet having an adorable daughter helps too.
It’s going to be sunny and cold here in South Bend today, after a record high temp on Monday of 64º. And the long range forecast looks like 60s again the first of next week, with t-storms.
I wonder if we’ll see upticks in SAD because of climate change?
Do you think it’s because of the build up of months of SAD?
I am sure gonna miss riding my bike! That helps with exposure to sun and fresh air, as well as providing exercise. The stationary bike in the basement doesn’t do that. LOL.
Great point, Molly.
I think this falls under the general topic of family matters.
Last night on the “Late Night” thread, folks were snarkily commenting on possible names for the baby William and Kate are expecting. This caused me to google current popular baby names.
I found this. I am not sure why, but it made me laugh.
I rode home from work yestersay (25 miles ) in my short sleeve work shirt. Beautiful, sunny 80 degree afternoon. That helps the SAD a bit. I start to get cranky when the days start to get short and stay that way until late spring. Being aware of it helps to try and combat the worst aspects of it but it takes a toll every fall and winter.
People really should consider that a name is forever. My mister has two sons and they both have two middle names, for their great grandfather’s names. One of the names is Latislov. I wouldn’t have stuck a kid with that one.
Maybe I should send my dog out on a hog. :)
(It’s a funny picture in my mind.)
She is the apple of her Father’s eye.She was asking me questions
about things that have happened since 1954(My date of birth)I told
her Sputnik and the personal computer most affected my life.(I never
thought a computer would be absolutely critical to my sanity).
Ugh. Poor kids.
HEEHEEHEE! “The Fifty Shades of Grey Bump!”
My son’s 3 kids all have the same middle name — their mother’s maiden name, Easton. It works OK, but at one point years ago the youngest, now a lovely 14 year old, thought her father’s middle name also was Easton, and couldn’t understand why not.
Me too. Like I said the other day, it’s like having an entire library on your home desk.
For those of us who spend a good amount of time sitting at the computer, it’s critical to have the correct chair. I got a new chair a few weeks ago and started noticing that I was having lower back pain, so I went back to the store to get a little pillow for the chair. They wanted $33 dollars for it. Good Grief, I only spent $89 for the whole chair. Didn’t buy it. Came home and rolled up a lap blanket that had been on the couch. Put that behind my lower back, and guess what? No more back pain.
Good morning everyone.
Thank you for the post demi.
You can ride all winter, can’t you? Of course, if you’re riding to and from work in the dark, it won’t help SAD, but at least there’s fresh air.
My father had three girls, but ended up with three grandsons. Each one has one of my dad’s three names as their middle names.
My husband, on the other hand has no middle name. Go figure. Who knows what another person is thinking on some decisions.
You’re very welcome appleCanyon2. So good to see you this am. Any updates on the eagles?
I have a little square pillow strapped to my sewing chair with a piece of elastic. That does help. My friend who sews bought a tall rectangular table (about 3′X 5′ or so) at a furniture clearance store. It’s bar height instead of normal table height, and she sits upright instead of bent over the machine like I do.
Iowa Jim is where the eagles soar, but AC2 and I may plan a meetup
at Seedsavers in Decorah next spring.
I always wanted to have a cool name, like Evgeni Nabokov or Vincent Kompany.
Oddly, we have the same problem here when I fix it. No leftovers.
Boxturtle (With 4 dogs and 2 cats, I’m not entirely sure what “leftovers” are)
I’m hopeless.
Good morning demi. I saw one yesterday over the creek looking for a meal. I think you are getting me mixed up with JClausen who lives near Decorah, Iowa while I live in N. Illinois right on the Wisconsin border.
I would guess JClausen lives about 50 miles to the NW of where we are and no, I am not correcting you, it is too early in the morning to be grumpy. Now what was that topic today???
May I just call you Maurice?
Is it weird having almost the same name as your wife?
I use the Original san fran style. I suppose any of ‘em would work.
Boxturtle (I could make my own with Uncle Ben’s, but easy is part of the recipe)
We do ride all year. Walking out of the F1 race last month I talked with a nice man from MN or WI (forget which). He was stunned by our weather. I told him (he was wearing a Harley shirt) that we rode all year and it was clear he struggled to gat a handle on that. Just seemed impossible to him. Reminded me why we live in central Texas despite some very obvious drawbacks.
I’m just going to smile and shrug. Some day I’ll get it right.
Only when other people make it weird.
I haven’t had to kill anyone in a long time, but the last time I did, it was because he called us ‘Kris and Kris’.
My husband really liked your crockpot recipe. Everything in the fridge. Too funny.
That is because when typing, I can go back and edit. Also, muttering does not blog well, so you all miss that.
Boxturtle (*mutter* picky b***hes *mutter*)
Oh, my. You slay me, Kris. :)
Awwww. You’re just a crotchety old turtle. More like a tortoise, really.
On the topic of family (but not SAD), my daughter-in-law, my son’s second wife, is Jewish, and she and her kids naturally don’t celebrate Christmas. Her kids are 7, 10 and 11, and my son’s three are 14, 16 and 18 and at least his two oldest are sorta “in your face” atheists. My DIL is cooking a big Channukah feast on Saturday, and then on Christmas Eve we’ll cook a big Christmas dinner together — maybe Beef Wellington this year. My daughter and her husband and girls are Christians but don’t attend church much, and they’ll be at the Christmas Eve dinner. Blending this disparate bunch is always interesting!
But, you don’t have edit right now, do you? Ha Ha. The perks that come with hosting.
My older brother actually tried to name his first daughter Optimus Prime. Filled it in on the birth certificate and everything. His wife at the time refused to sign it. :(
The family matriarch has a Dr. appt this morning so I can lurk no longer. One of these days soon my buddy and I can be here for the day. Can’t wait. Later Thanks demi.
I’m a little confused. They do or don’t celebrate Christmas? I mean, I guess they don’t do church xmas, but do they get a tree or what?
My sister is with a Muslem, but he comes with her to church for special times, like funerals or xmas eve service.
Thanks, I will pass that along. She is a teacher with two daughters who dance ballet and a husband with a long commute who doesn’t get home until around 7 p.m., so “easy in the crock pot” is just the thing for her.
Just do what I do! Celebrate Chrismahanukwanzakah.
You take good care of mom, and yes, one day you’ll both spend more time with us.
Drive both of you safely, Spud.
They don’t celebrate Christmas at all, they celebrate the traditional Jewish holidays. This time of year, it’s Channukah (her spelling). The kids get gifts, but it isn’t the Santa-mounds-of-stuff-under-the-tree thing. My son’s kids get Christmas gifts, and their mom has a tree up, although they’re way too old for Santa.
I conducted a symphony with my five cats as I opened the crockpot
and gave them all a treat to come up with their hairballs today.:)
As long as no one feels cheated. I imagine that most people celebrate a “secular” christmas anyway.
No offense meant, but your daughter in law sounds a little, trying to find the right word here, rigid?
I should probably have said “everything you can identify” into the crockpot.
Boxturtle (I’m not sure what it is, but it grows well in mayo and it’s afraid of the light)
Ha! I’ve started to keep my refrigerator cleaner. Once a week, stuff goes in the trash. I know how old stuff is but the guys here don’t. Makes it easier and healthier if I just keep everything fresh.
Thank you. The meow meow meow commercial tune has now replaced that damn Hippo song in my head.
BBL but would recommend reading Marcy and Glennzilla for the latest
revolving door careerist Liz Fowler.(Wait until you’ve taken your
blood pressure meds).
Thanks for the recommendation. See you later, then.
No, not at all. The first year they were together they had a small tree, but the older kids are too old to care (and their mom has a tree). The ones who celebrate Christmas get gifts too, very generous ones IMHO. The adults don’t exchange, I do a charitable thing instead. So nobody is rigid at all. It works pretty well.
Yup I have Glenzilla open in another tab. He is just merciless, even more so since he’s at the Guardian. If you want to know what our government is up to, read Glenn.
Okay.
And my DIL’s kids are with their dad for Christmas Day and several days following. He’s Portuguese, so Christian (and probably Catholic). So there’s plenty of Christmas and Channukah for everyone.
Meant to say this and hit submit too quickly. Son and DIL take food and work at a homeless shelter/soup kitchen on Christmas day.
For BoxTurtle – Best Science Photos of the Week.
That’s really lovely. Good for them.
As I said, as long as it all works for them.
Baby pandas really are cute, aren’t they? Oh, heck, “most” animal babies are cute.
NASA’s FAQ page on the 2012 Mayan Apocalypse bunk…
I’m partial to baby hippos :)
Good Morning spudtrucker,
Training as a volunteer crisis line phone operator with a non-profit community org, many years ago, showed statistics indicating that April was the worst month in regards to your mention of suicide.
I just read a Funny on facebook.
Seniors: I’m speeding because I have to get to where I’m going before I forget.
Link saved, thanks. Now I’ve gotta find a good link to relate to those photos.
Boxturtle (they’re at an unapproved site, but I can work around that)
That’s understandable. Lots of hippo funnys on facebook. Did you start a fad?
Ha! I just saw
Good Morning, Nonquixote.
Did they say if they had any theories as to why that occurs?
The photo of cloud swirls because of the volcano on Saint Helena Island was pretty damn interesting.
Yep. Soar that too. Almost all of my fb friends are folks I met here at FDL, and who don’t come around much any more. Laura Doty posts some really excellent stuff. And, David Ferguson, aka TRex posts some really funny stuff too.
Oh, dang. I just remembered do not blog and try to make pancakes or grilled cheese sammies at the same time.
Just burned a grilled cheese. Oh, Brindle. You’re breakfast is ready.
Amazing, isn’t it? How wonderful to chat with friends and see beautiful photos and funny posters.
I love these morning threads. I think we’re doing good work here.
Morning demi,
Great piece up top. Vitamin D iirc, is more complicated that just taking a supplement. There is something about one’s ability to absorb it in conjunction with other other things like one’s potassium levels.
2 big chores crossed off the to do list already. I am getting ready for projects three, four and five, which entails some specific reading and online research, so keeping this window open as I work.
Thanks, hon. You sure are a busy beaver these days. Lots on your plate.
I’m hoping to spend a good amount of time in the yard today, incredible how a week of rain will bring up the weeds, so I’ll get my vitamins. :)
Package those weeds off and send them to Washington!
/lame joke
I am sure they did but I don’t remember, exactly. My personal opinion however would point to Spring being almost here and showing its splendor just a bit, then along comes a big three day ice storm or some such harsh weather to dash someones hopes. I’ll have to research again some time, now that that forgotten little factoid popped up.
Seems to be working out really well.
Power to the people, right on.
I’m going to be in and out of this for a while. Prolly should get a few things started here at my house.
Thanks, Kris for being here and sharing and Everything.
I think calcium, too, needs vitamin D for good absoption — I take a calcium supplement that also has vitamin D3, magnesium and zinc. I also take a 5000 IU vitamin D capsule every day. I’ve read lots of places that we don’t get nearly enough vitamin D, and it’s worse now because of the skin cancer scare that makes us screen out sunlight. My vitamin D capsule bottle says “your sunshine vitamin.” Bit of marketing hype, obviously.
Should we announce that we’re having a Special Guest host tomorrow?
I really can spell absorption. I just can’t type.
My “busy,” is not non-stop by any means, this is just a rare confluence of activities, none of which by themselves is overly difficult or without a tentative workable solution. Thanks for your concern.
Ha! I just now thought “Molly hardly ever misspells.”
I think anyone who posts at Over Easy should feel like a regular part of the group, not a special guest. Just my opinion.
Oh, I’m sure you’re up to your tasks.
I knew someone would have the skinny on that question, thanks msmolly.
Go for it!
And of course I had to clarify. Pedantic much? LOL.
Heh. I’ve seen a photo of you in your garden, and there’s not a square inch of skin visible!
OK folks, it’s been fun this morning, but I have to go Docenting. (No, Docent isn’t a verb, but we call it that sometimes.)
Have a great day, everyone!
Thanks for all you do, here and out there, Molly.
Hugs.
I get out swimming in that season where there is not a lot of fabric involved so I do get my regular and monitored exposure to the sun. That garden vid was mid July and three or four days straight of potential all day exposure thus the long sleeves and hat.
Thanks again demi,
I’ve compiled an outline and am going to try to put it into a rough draft. All the best to everyone.
Tomorrow’s Over Easy will be hosted by oldnslow. Yay!
Thanks for the subject matter this morning, demi. The suggestion about light therapy is right on, but my ‘take’ is – don’t use artificial light when there’s all that sun out there – I know it’s brief but this IS the time of year to enjoy it – and with global warming the sun can actually be warm enough to toast you this November. Of course, plenty have grey days and that makes it hard, but even then, think how you wanted to take those refreshing walks in the hot, hot summer and couldn’t. Now is the time, and it’s going to be short! Use renewable energy, not artificial light (unless you are set up on solar anyway.)
My big bug is with the media – we get pressured into the blah’s, intentional or not. I mean – who calls the eve after Thanksgiving Black – everyone on the planet, apparently – NOT. And the timing of the seasons is totally skewiff. Winter began for me ( I have said this before) that day everyone calls black, and ends on the Winter Solstice – because that is when the light stands still and then starts its journey back. Think of that, this is such a special time when dark so outbalances light, but spring is right around the corner; after the solstice – that’s spring!
If you go by the light, you really have a long, long springtime as the plants do. Early January I often see croci in the sheltered parts of my garden. That’s the time for stirrings under ground, even under snow if you are lucky enough to have it. And believe me, folks, if you listen to the plants you will find they are a great help – we relate directly to them in our mutual needs and their very being is uplifting.
The other seasons – okay, anyone’s guess. But winter? Very short and very special. Such sunsets!
Me, I think I’m gonna be depressed when that sun comes all the way back. Not looking forward to that. Right now is our time to shine.
Silly me, I meant to say ‘this December’ up top – senior moment there.
Good morning demi and everyone, goodness me, haven’t been here in a bit, because I had a visit from my son and his girlfriend. It was wonderful.
This is a good topic, as is any topic relating to mental health. How can I massively understate this? I am very familiar with these topics, related to depression. I am happy to report what is now some years of mental stability, under the care of a psychiatrist, but I noticed a couple of things along my, uh, journey. I believe that sleep deprivation can kill a person, and that depression and anxiety are serious medical issues that require a medical person’s point of view. I have not read the comment thread here, this is just my opinion. Some of the saddest, most suicidal times in my life have been during the holiday season.
The other thing is, I’ll just throw this in, out of the blue: there is just so, so much pain and loneliness in this crowded world.
I rarely attend church, but one time I did here, and a man, 90 years old, seated himself alone on the empty pew in front. of me. He removed his WWII Veteran baseball cap and placed it, in respect, onto the pew. For no reason at all, he turned to me and spoke, with tears on his face. He said something like, “It’s so lonely living by myself, without my wife of 37 years, who died.”
How is it possible, amidst all of these sales and glitter and lights and dinner tables and colors and plane tickets, how is it possible, for an elderly gentleman, or anyone else to be so utterly lonely in this packed, ad-laden society? I do not know the answer to this.
I find it interesting that each of us can be so different. The article also said that some people get SAD in the spring and summer. So, I guess that’s people like you. In the same way that some of us are more morning people, like me, I get up really early, bright and chipper and go to bed early. Some folks have a hard time getting going in the morning and then stay up late.
I totally agree about taking advantage of getting light from the sun. I’ll be outside in a little while, planting some impatients and latania.
So good to see your here this morning, Juliania.
Take good care.
Hi CS. So glad you stopped by.
We are creatures that, by nature, require validation and company. All the glitter and flash of the holiday season is meaningless to the human psyche, except to excite its compulsions of consumerism.
True connections are needed for us to maintain mental health. We need each other to thrive. If one does not have meaningful relationships with others, one cannot hope to do more than survive.
You are so perceptive,Crane-Station. I was just talking with my SO
about how lonely my mother is after 61 years and losing Dad 3 yrs.
ago. Her grandchildren and I will be decorating her tree with her today.
Winter Blues are a pain.
I’m glad you had a nice time with your son and his girlfriend, but, I’m also glad you’re back with us.
Sorry to hear of your history with depression. It’s not fun, I know. I suffered true and deep depression 12 years ago, when the man I was married to left me the day after 9/11. My life turned upside down. I didn’t realize how my body could manufacture that many tears. The doctor put me on Zoloft, but I was only on it for about 3 or 4 months. But, I’ll tell you something, CS, even during my darkest nights, I realized that the depression, something I had never experienced before in my life, gave me the opportunity to be more empathetic towards a greater number of people.
I was talking to a long time personal friend last night. We met when we were 11 or 12. She told me she has suffered depression her entire life. She is such a good person and has helped a lot of friends while they were dying of aids. She now teaches drama at an international boarding school. Many of her students have huge problems and she’s able to help them in a variety of ways.
It’s strange how something that hurts can also make us a better person. Know what I mean?
You are so wise for someone so young. You give me hope,kiddo.
Big Amen, brother, er should I say nephew?
…just don’t call me late for dinner.
That sounds like you’ll be have a wonderful time, Jim. Just what the doctor ordered.
That’s one of the phrases my dad, Jimmy, used. Thanks for putting a smile on my face.
I’ve learned some things in my brief stint here on earth. I wish there was a way to get the same stuff across to the rest of my generation. If only everyone knew how much we need each other, the world would be a better place. Instead, the vast majority of us walk around in a self-centered universe of our own making, never perceiving that the gravity of others is what keeps us centered.
Empathy makes the world go round and my bouts with depression have
taught me several coping mechanisms that work.Helping others is #1.
Jimmy;)
Kris, you really are a poet, aren’t you? Have you ever done any creative writing? I know that you probably don’t have a lot of spare time, but, you never know what could happen.
Yes, because we stop focusing on our own problems. I had a very wise fairygodmother who told me she thought that depression was Anger turned inward on one’s self.
I’m grateful that people feel comfortable enough with each other here to share their own stories on this topic.
so true.
I love EPU land where we shy creatures can talk about what is
really meaningful. Thanks.
I haven’t written anything aside from diaries in about a year. The last thing I wrote required ripping my heart out and putting it back in. Took a lot out of me.
And, also, for me anyway, after the fast paced conversation of the early morning, my brain has time to reflect. And, coming back we can share in a different way.
You’re such a sensitive person, Kris. You have a great soul and take things to heart. It hurts, but see, you have so much to share with us.
Yes, this is true, and the neat thing about the internet for me anyway is that, I tend to isolate by choice and by inner nature. I have met some wonderful people here, and this has helped me in a tangible way, with my mental health issues. Thank you for the reply.
Yeah. That is what I was trying to say as well. You put it into words, so thank you.
I’d like to put everything on paper some day. It’s been a hell of a journey. I think I have a lot to share.
Last year I wrote a letter to myself as a child that was included in a tribute piece on Kos. That’s the closest I’ve come to revisiting my past through writing.
Anger is the dubious luxury of normal men, said someone smarter than me, a long time ago.
I read an article a long time ago that said one of the tangible benefits of the internet was that people who were maybe handicapped, or had mental challenges such as agoraphobia, could still “connect” with others. Very important, yes.
Who said that?
Bless her heart, and I sense that your dad is very missed. I hope that this will be a lovely and memorable day for all of you.
Bill Wilson. I’ll get the page number, if it comes down to that, LOL!
What a great idea. Hmmmm. Cheaper than therapy.
You are correct. It’s in the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous.
Fuck it. Page 66. Fourth Edition, I am nearly certain. Of course, if I am wrong, I will promptly admit it.
*secret handshake*
You are just exactly the sort of person who I would want on my team in an epic movie-line war!
I’m sitting here with a few tears. Powerful.
Here you go.
No direct link to my part, but if you use your ‘control + F’ function on your browser you can ‘find’ Kris. I think it’s the 2nd result for Kris, as there was another author named Kristen before me.
I try to drop a movie line in every thread. Nobody picked up the one from yesterday’s Over Easy, even though I promised to award 3 gold internets to whomever correctly identified it.
The crappy B horror movie I’m watching just got ridiculously good. I love finding little gems like this.
Thanks, demi. I love to buck the system (as is evident). We over ’70′s get to do that with impunity – yippee!! It’s for sure I miss family this time of year, but Einstein’s a great help as far as time being the fourth dimension – what memories! I just step right into them and I’m there.
Oh, Kris. You’re so brave to share that. You are a brave, sweet, generous soul whom I feel so priviledged to know.
But, now I had to explain why I was sitting here sobbing.
Yes, I do know what you mean, and I think that we have come a long way in removing the stigma behind the diagnosis of depression, thanks to articles and discussions like this. People who are just ordinary, you, me , her, him, walking up and down the same street- these are the folks who have this pain. Mental health is terribly under treated in this country, I’m afraid. We have young veterans committing suicide, for example, and that’s just totally unacceptable.
That was, by far, the most difficult thing I’ve ever written. I really liked the concept of the Tribute, though, and wanted to contribute and maybe heal a little more, you know?
((demi))
Unless you kick it off with the “Battle of Wits” from The Princess Bride, I will question your very authenticity as any sort of a serious movie line buff. Don’t mess with me. I’ll quote from My Cousin Vinny. I swear to God.
Do you have a purple hat? :)
Age does have it’s advantages.
My Cousin Vinny. Almost as good (and obscure) as White Men Can’t Jump.
I know that you’re a very compassionate person, C-S, from reading your many wonderful diaries. It’s good to be alive, isn’t it? It’s good to be able to hug a homeless person. It’s good to be able to share the scary stories too.
Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.
Seriously, it’s a great honor to have a chance to get to know All Of You better this morning.
Going to go with Sonny and the dog to the park for a walk. I’ll get my vitamin D and get my circulation going.
But, I shall return.
Well, looks like I’ve managed to miss the EPU-land thread, too. Not much time, but wanted to say I believe I have SAD; definitely do better when I get regular sun, and try to remember to do so.
Yet another reason I stay here in the land of near perpetual sun instead of moving back to gray-skies land in the north, much as I miss so manyh things about Boston and other places on the East Coast.
We do sometimes get rain for a week or more here, and that’s when I start to sleep a lot. Got to make myself get out and get going. The resesarch on vitamin D is so complex and contradictory (well, that applies to most vitamin therapy, I guess) that I sometimes take it and sometimes feel like it’s a waste of money and don’t. Being December, probably should start again.
Gotta run; stuff to do. Good to see everybody. Looking forward to oldnslow hosting!
OMG. Just…OMG.
If a hug from across the country helps, I’m sending it.
;)
(msmolly)
Ah-ha-haha. Ah-hah hah! Ahh ha ha…
Yes, it is, and hugs to you, Kris, and everyone here back from us both. It’s a beautiful day. We just dove a dumpster. Interesting trends (Jeez. I can’t type today)- I may write about these trends that we are seeing.
Oh, hey, Kris – I thought I sorta recognized a movie line in your post yesterday, but couldn’t identify it (just a familiar ring), so didn’t say anything. are you going to tell us what it was?
I am speechless. Just, I am with msmolly at 160.
“Don’t say asswipe. Mom’s got the window open.”
Drop Dead Gorgeous.
We all have our internal wars.
Here’s a link I posted yesterday, but well worth a re-up.
Anything Other than Straight.
Thanks for sharing.
I am proud to know you.
Jimmy(in honor of demi who allows us to share a piece of ourselves.)
That was a good one, and yes, you were correct. I got the tears again. So sad that people feel compelled to deny their true inner nature, but with we’re stuck with the parents we were born to and the society we grew up in.
Thanks for reposting that link. Perfectly on topic of where we are in this conversation.
Have I told you lately that I love you?
Thanks, JC, but I think there are many who encourage honest sharing, but those of you who have dared to say Oh, I Get Depressed or share otherwise intimate details are the ones to be saluted.
You own a clock, right?
Just teasing, but, you crack me up.
I figure we all jump on to whatever threads when we can and when we want to.
Very much worth the re-up, and thank you ever so much. Not only do I really appreciate the giving voice and honesty in the topic, the piece is extremely well-written. Somebody, somewhere, taught you to write. With this gift comes the conditions, right? In other words, you were chosen, I believe. Beautiful. Thanks again, I am so glad I checked back in here.
You helped me to add another little piece of being okay with the person I am today, and that matters to me. Our various painful inner struggles define the common geography of our human landscape, and not the differences. This is important.
I may have misstated, but my point remains. I very much appreciate the author of this article, where I think you said that you posted as a link. The author is outstanding.
You said, You helped me to add another little piece of being okay with the person I am today,
That’s a very important aspect of self awareness, I believe.
The more we are okay with who we are, we not only face ourselves, but are then better able to help others.
Thank you so much Crane-Station.
Hugs. (((Crane-Station)))
Oh, gosh, I’ve been sharing with folks here that I’ve been shopping at Fresh and Easy.
I was just there, a bit ago, and one of the employees who I talk to regularly chat with urged me check out the news online.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/tesco-eyes-an-exit-from-us-as-it-axes-fresh–easy-boss-8387005.html
Oh, swell, I was just enjoying shopping there.
I don’t have a large enough yard to grow anything more than a lot of peppers and tomatoes, no room for cows and chickens.
Back to the drawing board.
He’s pretty amazing. His son is very fortunate to have him. He’s a blogger that my wife has been reading for a couple of years. She’s always enjoyed his work, and now this piece. Outstanding.
I hope everyone who participated in the EPU portion of this thread comes back for this giant ((((firedog)))) hug.
I love you guys.
Just got off the phone with oldnslow. His post is ready for the morning. I’ll see you all there :)
You bet, babe. :)
Hug received and holding you back.
Oh I will be there, fer sure. You can see by the timestamp that this is not only the first place I am in the morning, but pretty much the last place at night. (And I do have a LIFE, really! But part of it is here!)
I did read that piece. I’m also reading a book Demi recommended, “She’s Not There” about a transgendered person’s transition from male to female. Very moving, both.
See y’all in the a.m.