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If Matthew Hoh could tell you one thing to help you understand the U.S.’s predicament in Afghanistan, he’d tell you:
The presence of our ground combat troops is not doing anything to defeat al-Qaida.
Think about that for a moment. We are paying roughly $1 million per troop, per year in Afghanistan. That’s roughly twice the per-troop cost in Iraq. We’ve suffered well more than 800 deaths in Afghanistan. And yet here is the former top civilian official in Afghanistan’s Zabul province, a former Marine who served in Anbar province in Iraq, telling us that the presence of our ground forces does nothing to defeat the organization that’s supposedly the target of our operations in that country.
So, if we’re not going about the business of defeating al-Qaida in Afghanistan, what are we doing?
We’re involved in a civil war in Afghanistan. We’re only taking one side in that civil war. And, our presence there is only encouraging the civil war to go on.
Hmm. This is all sounding very familiar.
I spoke to Matthew on Friday afternoon by phone from the front seat of my car. My first call to him went straight to voicemail, where I learned that apparently he’d had so many press calls about his resignation letter that his voicemail message directed inquiries on that topic to his email address. If you recall, the State Department took his letter seriously enough that it prompted job offers from Ambassadors Eikenberry and Holbrooke to get him to stay. Since then, Hoh has been the focus of a great deal of media attention, and for good reasons:
- With all the rhetoric about the "success" of the so-called "surge" in Iraq and its supposed lessons for Afghanistan, the opinion of a person with experience with both has a lot of heft.
- The fact that his feelings about the situation were strong enough to provoke a resignation and a subsequent rejection of a position in Washington gave him moral authority.
- And, Hoh was the beneficiary of good timing: his resignation came at a time when the media and policymakers had been cajoled into a willingness to entertain views outside the Washington, D.C. conventional wisdom that failure to send more troops immediately would lead to disaster.
Over the course of the past year, groups opposed to deepening U.S. military involvement in Afghanistan (such as Brave New Foundation’s Rethink Afghanistan project, the Get Afghanistan Right coalition and many other groups and individuals) worked relentlessly to keep a critical perspective on the war in Afghanistan in the public debate. These escalation opponents relentlessly hammered the proponents of a counterinsurgency (COIN) effort for their inconsistencies and self-contradictions, especially with regard to the COIN doctrine’s need for a legitimate host-nation partner. By the time the Afghan presidential elections exploded into a showcase of abject corruption and illegitimacy, these activists had laid the groundwork that helped the American people interpret the events of late August 2009 as a serious blow to the assumptions underlying the rationale for a deep military involvement. At the same time, President Obama refused to be rushed into a second troop increase in Afghanistan by an increasingly abrasive Pentagon whisper campaign, allowing the nation to take a collective breath and widen the debate about options. These factors, combined with cratering public support for the war effort, pushed policymakers and the media into a willingness to entertain views dissenting from those presented by General Stanley McChrystal. Enter Matthew Hoh.
Matthew’s letter is a four-page punch in the gut to the rhetoric of pro-counterinsurgency factions. It wrecks the idea that the U.S. will ever have a legitimate partner (referred to by the COIN field manual as a "north star") in Afghanistan or that our strategy will lead to the destruction of al-Qaida. He ends the letter with regret that assurances can no longer be given that those who died in Afghanistan gave their lives in a mission worth the cost in "futures lost, love vanished, and promised dreams unkept."
Hoh sees our presence driving the conflict in at least two ways. On one hand, our military support for the corrupt Government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan assures the Kabul cartel that we will not allow them to be overrun by insurgents. Because of that perception, the GoIRA is not willing to work out a political settlement with their opponents to form a true national government. The support we have given thus far (which is very close to the maximum possible support we can give), however, is not enough to allow the GoIRA to crush the insurgency totally. Thus, within the constraints on U.S. and Afghan national power, the only possible solution to the conflict other than strategic failure is a political solution negotiated between GoIRA and it’s opponents–and that’s precisely what the GoIRA won’t seek as long as they can be assured of our continued military support.
[T]he only way to end this civil war is through political reconciliation, through some kind of political negotiation reaching to some kind of settlement. …The Afghan officials who are on our side have no interest in doing that. …They have no interest in giving up the position they have right now. And our presence there keeps them in power that way. I don’t really see them having any interest in taking Afghanistan into, you know, a modern age or a progressive country, all of the things we believed we were doing there for the past 8 years.
On the other hand, the U.S. presence fuels the ever-expanding insurgency, pulling people who resent our support for a corrupt, predatory government and who intensely resent outside interference in their lives into conflict with coalition troops.
In both the east and the south, where our troops were heavily engaged in combat…on a daily basis, those are areas populated by rural Pashtuns…The bulk of those people were fighting us just because we’re occupying them–not out of any ideology, not out of any real ties to the Taliban, not out of any hatred for the West. It was just because they did not want foreign troops, or, for that matter, the Afghan national army or Afghan national police, which do not represent them, in their valleys and villages.
…If you take the Korengal Valley, for example, which is well-known to the American people as "The Valley of Death," …it’s 15-20 miles long, it only has about 10,000 residents, they speak Korengali…these are people who are not interested in things outside their valley. They prefer to be left alone. Of course, putting more troops in their valley is something they’re going to rebel against, especially troops from the central government, which does not represent them. …It’s really a question of these people wanting to determine their own existence and …govern themselves. For every Korengal we’re in, there’s a hundred that we’re not in, and if we were in [them], it would be the same issue of us having to fight them only because we’re occupying them.
On the topic of that corrupt, unrepresentative government, Hoh offered a couple of anecdotal examples of the corruption that permeates every level of government in Afghanistan:
I know a USAID official who got into a plane…with the governor of his province, and the governor had about $300,000 in a duffel bag with him. …The governor that I worked with had been removed from another province as the governor because he had been caught red-handed in a fairly extreme corruption case. Now this governor, Governor Sari, has been a friend of President Karzai for 35 years. So, after the U.S. embassy exposed this and complained about it, all Karzai did was move this governor…from one province to another province….To believe that the vast majority of Afghan officials that you’re working with have any allegiance to what we’re trying to do other than to enrich themselves or to make out in some manner is wrong.
I asked Hoh about the recent report on the quadrupling of the insurgency since 2006. According to at least one estimate, 10 percent of the estimated 25,000-man-strong insurgency were hardcore religious extremists, while the rest accepted training and funds from the "Taliban," but lacked ties to their ideology or broader agenda beyond throwing out the invaders.
I completely agree. The number I’ve seen is that there are 25,000 "Taliban" (which I believe is an incorrect term to apply to the people who are fighting us because it makes a reference to the Taliban regime of pre-September 11, 2001, and I think that misleads people and causes confusion, particularly among the American public about who we are actually fighting there.). But if you go with that 25,000 number…only a few thousand of those are actual hardcore "Taliban" with a capital "T." The majority of the rest of those groups are local fighters who are pretty independent of one another, just primarily concerned with their local areas, their valleys, their village, and who are tied to the Taliban with a capital "T" only through monetary or funding allegiances, and through a desire not to be occupied by a foreign power or by the other side in a civil war.
…But, if there are 25,000 troops now, Derrick…if we put more troops into the south, if we put 20,000 or 30,000 or 40,000 troops into the south, next year there will be 30,000, 35,000 or 40,000 enemies fighting us. As we move into more valleys and more villages…people are going to rebel against us.
So, the continued presence of massive numbers of U.S. troops removes the incentives for the GoIRA to negotiate a political settlement while providing the fuel for the growth of the insurgency. Hoh’s advice to policymakers? End combat operations and sharply reduce U.S. troop levels. Doing so would pull U.S. troops out of areas where locals fight us just because we are there and would compel the GoIRA to negotiate with their opponents. Otherwise the U.S. presence will continue to fuel an unsustainable dynamic whereby the GoIRA has a near-term upper hand but cannot decisively defeat their opponents while the opponents use our presence as a recruiting tool for the resistance movement.
You’re either characterized as all in our all out, and that’s wrong. I don’t think anyone is calling for us to completely wash our hands of Afghanistan and just walk away. When I call for withdrawal I call for stopping combat operations because it just doesn’t make any sense; all it does it just prolong the conflict. I call for some kind of political reconciliation to end the fighting there. So a withdrawal would have to be somewhat gradual while negotiations were going on.
But wait, one might ask: what about al-Qaida? Hoh’s policy prescription deals mainly with settling the civil war between the "Taliban" and the GoIRA. How does al-Qaida fit into this? Aren’t they the reason we’re in Afghanistan in the first place? Wouldn’t our withdraw allow them to reestablish "safe havens" and allow them to keep the ones they have in Pakistan?
I don’t believe al-Qaida needs or wants safe havens [like they had in 2001]. They just don’t operate that way. they recruit worldwide. They are really an ideological force that exists on the Internet. They influence individuals or their operations are carried out by these small, independent, autonomous cells that really don’t require much to operate other than a couple of rooms and a satellite phone or an internet connection. and if you look at the vast majority of attacks that have happened over the last decade regarding al-Qaida, they’ve been carried out by people not from the Afghanistan/Pakistan region, but residents of North Africa, residents of the gulf states or citizens of Europe or citizens and residents of the United States who do their preparation and their training in countries where the attacks occur. So this idea of a safe haven and their requirement for it is not borne out by any evidence of the way al-Qaida has operated for at least the last decade. After 2001, they evolved. They don’t need a safe haven. It would be great for the United States if they did have safe havens because then we could bomb them. So we have to attack al-Qaida as the organization as it exists and not as we want it to exist.
The concern that our presence their encourages people to respond to their ideology is a valid one. We’re currently occupying two Muslim countries, and we have to understand that lends credence to al-Qaida’s argument that it is defending the Muslim world from Western invasion.
How many recruits do they [al-Qaida] get per year? A hundred? Two hundred? The Muslim population is over a billion. You’re talking about such a small fraction. It’s really associated with such a fringe movement that we have to attack using human intelligence and using law enforcement techniques. Army brigade combat teams do not affect al-Qaida. Having 60,00 troops in Afghanistan is not affecting al-Qaida. …[T]he destruction of al-Qaida should be our priority…but we need to go after that organization as it exists and not with ground combat troops in Afghanistan.
Matthew said he’s pleased with the state of debate following his resignation and return to the United States.
I can tell you that one of the things that pushed me to resign was this feeling that I had, and I think most people had, or a lot of people had, particularly guys I was serving with in Afghanistan, that an escalation of troops and an open-ended commitment to supporting the Karzai regime seemed almost like a done deal all throughout the summer…There was no discussion of any other type of strategy…it seemed almost like a guarantee…I got home in September and that’s when I first heard there were debates on this within the administration…I’m very pleased the way the debates have been going. I’m not sure what’s going that’s going to happen with [the troop ]increase–I’m sure we’re going to get one. The best thing though …is that we’re going to get some kind of withdrawal date, which is what we need. If we can get a withdrawal date within a year or two I’ll be very happy, because that’s so much better, so infinitely better, than some type of open-ended commitment or some type of 4- or 5-year plan. My thoughts are hopefully we can get some type of commitment to withdraw and stop combat operations within the next year or two.
I guess that’s being a realist. I’d like to see it stop tomorrow.
Brave New Conversations recently filmed a conversation between Hoh and Daniel Ellsberg. Here’s a clip:
You can find the full episode on the Brave New Conversations website.
Note: Derrick Crowe is the Afghanistan blog fellow for Brave New Foundation / The Seminal. Learn how the war in Afghanistan undermines U.S. security: watch Rethink Afghanistan (Part Six), & visit http://rethinkafghanistan.com/blog.



45 Comments




Thank you so much for this, Derrick.
For those interested, Matthew Hoh will be on Washington Journal tomorrow morning (CSPAN 1) at 8:30 am ET>
I am endlessly frustrated with the idea that somehow Afghanistan is uniquely linked to al-Qaida, and then further that al-Qaida is even a relevant or significant threat to the United States of America and Americans generally.
It’s a completely spurious argument used to justify our means to an impossible end. An argument that includes, but is not limited to…
That somehow Afghanistan is central to terrorism:
If none of the necessary steps to plan, fund, and execute terrorist attacks (even specifically 9/11) are the unique domain of Afghanistan; then occupying Afghanistan is not effective counter-terrorism.
That Al Qaeda is somehow especially exceptional and malicious (they hate our freedoms, and want to kill us all):
If they want to kill as many of us as possible, and yet consistently fail utterly to do so; then they’re not nearly as exceptional and nefarious as the evil-genius caricatures we’ve erected of them. They’re either incredibly stupid and incompetent, or they don’t have the goals we ascribe to them.
That Islamic terrorism on U.S. soil is somehow a vast and grave threat to American life and prosperity:
Despite a list of staggering mortality numbers that total almost 2.5 Million Americans every year, and economic losses over 260 times more severe than those caused by Islamic terrorism on U.S. soil; we manage to soldier on and find all new ways to kill ourselves (and each other) and throw our prosperity to the wind on a regular basis.
If one provides even a modicum of objectivity, our obsession with the “terrorist threat” moves from seeming simply imprudent to outright paranoid conspiracy.
9/11 was special in one way, and one way only; in that it broke us (ever so briefly) from the secure geopolitical insularity brought about by being flanked by two massive bodies of water, and bordered by two largely compatible and stable nation-states.
How come the diarist and all previous commenters get it right and Obama gets it wrong?
My guess: Obama is a weak guy whose chief goal is not to be seen as a loser, who bows therefore to military and CIA guys.
Well almost nobody in the U.S. is willing to really face 9/11 and see it for what it is, an aberration. An incredible and regrettable tragedy, but an aberration nonetheless.
Instead we conflated it with some kind of broad threat and moral crisis.
It’s even worse when one considers the kind of pathetically cheap and simple measures that would prevent such things; locked reinforced cabin doors, and anonymous armed air security. It’s not like airplane hijackings never took place before, and such things would have been prudent measures generally, and almost completely mitigated the overwhelming expense and annoyance of airport security (even before the TSA).
Terrific post, Derrick!
…and really wonderful comments.
recommended
Jeez you guys are hitting on all cylinders today. Thanks for the fantastic and thoughtful comments.
Thank you, Derrick. Recommended.
I read the 4 pages of Matthew Hoh’s letter when they were first available. I cannot put into words what it means to me that one of his age embodies the principles, intellect, integrity and analytical expertise as well as the clear eyes to see things as they are, not as our country wants them to be and wants to sell them to us as being. I am most grateful that he grants to the American people the right to be told the Truth about this colossal, misbegotten involvement in Afghanistan.
In this NY Times article today I learned that Bill Moyers, age 75, is retiring as of 04/30/2010. Being exactly the same age, I can understand his reasons, yet I already feel the loss. “Who will fill his shoes?”, I asked myself.
Now I have found your diary with your interview with Matthew Hoh; there is possibly my answer. I wish long life and strength to both of you. America has need of you in the struggle ahead for the recovery and restoration of our country.
Gee, Nathan, we kinda liked feeling special. We. in NYC, were really used to the idea that nobody was likely to deliberately and horrifically murder thousands of us.
We don’t think of it as a tragedy if some group of people do so. We think of it more as an act that compels us to spend the time and resources necessary to stage a reply.
We don’t really care that they may not be smart enough to succeed in staging other such events. We feel that making them smart for having succeeded the first time is a very good idea.
JFK..46 years ago today. Actually enacting this would go a long ways towards the recovery and restoration of America.
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“President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992″
http://www.accessreports.com/statutes/JFK.ACT.htm
I wasn’t aware that all the funding for, and casualties caused by, and evisceration of Constitutional Rights justified by these asinine irrational responses to 9/11 were being shouldered entirely by New Yorkers.
My bad.
I also look forward to your $925 Billion plan to put an end to homicide, and explaining how political and police occupation of a territory is going to stop enterprising malcontents from harming others through terror. You can start by explaining how the full-scale occupation of Oklahoma completely prevented Timothy McVeigh from enacting the most deadly terrorist attack on U.S. soil prior to 9/11.
“The loudest voices on the right never tire of telling us that they are the truest patriots. They claim to be the deepest believers in our system, the strongest defenders of our Constitution, the most upbeat, bold and courageous Americans anywhere. But now that the government is finally prepared to put the perpetrators of the Sept. 11 terror attacks on trial, these same patriots are the first to spread doubt, instigate anxiety and abandon constitutional principles.
When did fear-mongering in a time of war become an act of patriotism?”
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/what_is_so_patriotic_about_hysteria_20091118/
I gotta tell you, Nathan, that none of the information you’re requesting is meaningful.
A poor response isn’t justification of the idiocy of suggesting that no response is good.
And at no point did I ever state that “no response” would be the appropriate one.
It’s meaningful in that it puts a scope of the magnitudes in life and Dollars difference between an incredibly obscure and isolated event relative to a vast and ongoing crisis that goes completely unattended in the wake of the former.
perhaps I misunderstand . what did you just refer to as “an incredibly obscure and isolated event” ?
A terrorist attack carried out by foreign Islamic terrorists on U.S. soil. The overwhelming majority of terrorist attacks in the U.S. are of the homegrown variety, and it isn’t accidental that when foreign Islamic terrorists do orchestrate some kind of attack carried out in the U.S., they focus entirely on symbols of U.S. military and economic hegemony.
really first-class bit of idiocy. it’s not the symbols that were murdered and no the symbols that our government is required to defend.
The people harmed in the attack on said symbols were incidental to the larger goal. There’s a reason why the WTC was the focal point in two separate attacks spanning almost a decade, and it’s not because Islamic terrorists have it out for the people who happened to randomly be working there at the time, and a reason why they didn’t opt to try and kill a lot more people by doing something as simple as waiting to hijack the next flight, or waiting a few months and careening jetliners into the Super Bowl.
Does the government have a requirement to defend against domestic terrorism? How about murder by spreadsheet? How about the growing likelihood of a bordering narco-state?
I’m a little confused about what it is you think I’m advocating, so let me make it clear. We have limited time and resources, and as such there’s a necessity to prioritize what we spend them on, and by almost no sane or objective metric compared to countless other threats to the health, life, and prosperity of Americans does the obsession with foreign Islamic terrorists make the faintest bit of sense. It is almost the definition of absurd and irrational.
You have a better chance of being struck by lightning while simultaneously getting hit by a motor-vehicle than you do being killed by an act of terrorism carried out by foreign Islamic terrorists.
I think you’re suggesting that it’s less than important to track down and visit death or captivity or impotence upon the Al Qaeda membership as a consequence of the 9/11 attacks because you think it’s a waste of resources or because of the improbability of further attacks.
Let me repeat. Your suggestion is idiotic.
I’m suggesting that literally nothing about what we’re doing is going to prevent some random group of globally dispersed malcontents from hatching some crackplot plan, and getting lucky in executing it due to our general laziness regarding domestic security. Considering that exactly zero of the components for carrying out 9/11 were the purview of Afghanistan, what in the hell are we doing occupying it?
Can you explain in clear terms what about it is idiotic, backed up with data and relevant statistics regarding the variety of threats to American health, life, and prosperity, and what it is that catapults Islamic terrorism to the front of that line, such that it requires the employment of almost our entire military, a huge paramilitary force, and the incredibly dubious goal of occupying places like, and not limited to, Afghanistan?
Is your contention that Timothy McVeigh was able to do what he did, because the United States hadn’t suitably occupied and nation-built the State of Oklahoma?
It’s my contention, Nathan, that because Timothy McVeigh did what he did, it was a good idea that we track him down and capture him.
It is not my contention that because it was very expensive to identify, capture and try him, that it was a poor use of our resources.
So track them down, capture them, and try them. Nobody’s saying not to.
It’s an extremely loosely organized crime syndicate (not a vast and grave threat to American health, life, and prosperity), so deal with it like one.
My points regarding the comparatively diminutive magnitude of the event in lives and Dollars are simply the argument against how this dubious threat dominates our politics, where all manner of other significantly more grave and treacherous threats go completely unremarked, and are completely unserved.
Thanks, blue. At your link:
[now let me see here, to what foreign government could that refer?]
allow me;
going bankrupt
the same thing the russians did
Thanks for the post Derrick.
Nathan, thank you for your comments.
“We are paying roughly $1 million per troop, per year in Afghanistan”
Doctrine is the tip to tail ratio, tip is the soldiers in the field, tail is the logistics support, is 9:1.
Empires are so expensive.
At $100,000 per FTE, $1 million is both precise & accurate, for ALL theaters of war.
After the Mau Mau uprising, i 1953 it took a conservative government in the UK to reassess the costs of the British Empire. The British walked aways from their empire starting in 1959 and finishing the majority by the mid to late ’60s.
Afganistan reads like Aden in the late ’60s.
hi, i’m a big brain, allow me to provide the prudent exit strategy;
step 1: GET OUT, as fast as possible.
step 2: Prosecute Bush, Cheney, etc.
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Yes, but that $1,000,000 is being paid to corporations that participate in the war through business contracts to fund it. It’s not like the money is
being put in the soldier’s bank account, right?
War is big, big, big, big business in America. When we spend more money for defense than all the other nations on Earth combined we are talking huge amounts of money being paid to prosecute death and destruction around the globe.
And while we can and will argue endlessly over what does or does not constitute a “just war” we almost never look at it from the perspective of very big and powerful companies making tons and tons of money.
Yet we can tune in to Meet The Press and its ilk on Sunday and listen to debates about Afghanistan and hardly pay any attention at all to the fact that Boeing and Lockheed Martin are the programs chief sponsers. As though the arguments being expressed by government officials funding or prosecuting the wars has little or nothing to do with that.
Unfortunately, this is not brought up by either Ellsberg, Hoh or Crowe. It hardly ever is even outside the mainstream media. So I bring it up as much as I can.
Don’t get me wrong. Their arguments are just as crucial in ending the conflicts in the largely phoney “war of terror”. But the money part can never be played up too much. It is, after all, the heart and the soul of the American economy.
Or he has to keep them thinking that so they don’t kill him.
Or even following normal NORAD procedures.
uncalled for. lends nothing of value to discourse.
When Bush was (s)elected.
Yeah, never gonna happen.
Obama’s just keeping everything intact until he eviscerates Social Security and then turns the keys over to another Republican administration like Clinton did with welfare and Glass-Steagall and telecommunications consolidation and erosion of the 4th amendment, etc., etc.
People are going to be very surprised when they realize that Obama left almost the entire corpus of Bush administration dictatorial executive orders in place just waiting for the next authoritarian Republican to implement them.
This isn’t a bright new day for America, it’s an interregnum between fascist episodes.
I will second it.
I really liked the video, it has been ever so long since we had high quality highbrow programing like it.
My only complaint is once again, uranium is not mentioned. Is there some ban in the ‘liberal’ press about it? I think we are engaging in a very serious war crime. I think it should be at least mentioned in passing. Also, it changes the game.
Touche. This conservative bent to gin up fear while insisting that the only response to extreme behavior is to strike back with overwhelming force. That it is a good cause to die for.
I would proffer than there is some real strength is some contemplative re-evaluation. If that quiet reassessment brings our President to a scheduled withdrawal from this “battleground” I will consider that a far greater show of strength than rashly sending young people to die in the desert for undefined and ill conceived objectives.
Incidentally, I too am a New Yorker: that doesn’t mean that I lost all facilties of reason on 9/12. I grew up in Texas around the Bushes and W. is exactly the same guy he always has been and I knew that, whatever he did, it would not be a well conceived response gleaned from a diligent assessment of the intelligence. That is not what he does.
If President Obama has to face down the storm to change course on this, well, that will be far more impressive.
“Considering that exactly zero of the components for carrying out 9/11 were the purview of Afghanistan, what in the hell are we doing occupying it?”
Thank you!
withdraw
thank you. asking to pull out of Afghan when I do health care calls.
ty!
Matthew is a great hero. i felt a real surge of hope to see him on tv the first time.
No problem.
The next time you hear somebody talk about 9/11, Al Qaeda, and Afghanistan as some cohesive set of related concepts; ask them to show you on a map of Afghanistan where Kuala Lumpur, Hamburg, and San Diego are located. It’s getting to the point where I feel like I should carry around a map of Afghanistan everywhere I go; like some people do with a pocket Constitution.
When they ask why; just say, “Because that’s where the planning, recruiting, and training happened for 9/11; respectively.”
One might ask where the planning, recruiting and training happened for the planning, recruiting and training for 9/11.
Kuala Lumpur. The event and locale overlapped. It was part of a summit, or sorts.