Since I acquired a honeybee hive in June 2009, there’s been a lot of interest in the subject both on FDL and from friends. I’ve typed the answers to Qs often, and it finally occurred to me to type them one more time, post it as a diary, and link to the diary when needed.
I am not a bee expert, so nothing I write should be regarded as definitive. I’ll provide some links but little science. I’ve learned from my organic beekeeper, Chris Harp, who’s been doing it for 20 years and maintains 200 hives for clients. He also teaches. He’s done a great job for me, so I trust what he says and does, but I might misinterpret or misremember what he has taught me.
The diary is divided by subjects. Rather than reading the full post, you can either scroll down to find what you are looking for or do a find.
My Hives and Their History
Chris brought me a hive (brood box on the bottom, 10” tall) and one super on top of it (6-7” tall) in early June 2009. The external dimensions are 16” across and 20” deep. The brood box and each super has 10 racks across, just far enough apart for the bees to build the hexagonal storage cell pattern, fill them with brood or honey or pollen, cap them, and still be able to navigate between them. It is dark inside the hive; no windows!
My original hive contained a queen (hives have only one queen and a hive colony is considered to be a kind of single organism because of the complete dependence of the bees on each other) and around 10,000 bees. There are two common varieties of honeybees: Italian (most of them) and Russian (mine and increasing choice of organic beekeepers). There are advantages to Russian; more under that heading.
Hive sits on top of, and is strapped to, big cement blocks, owing to bear problem. More details under Bear heading.
I named my original queen Victoria, as I was looking for an actual queen in history who had a lot of issue.
A mature hive at the end of the season (mid-Hudson region) will contain around 40,000, perhaps more, depending on how many supers they’ve been able to fill. The vast majority are female workers, with only a couple hundred to a couple thousand male drones. Here’s a website with some of the elementary facts.
Despite torrential rains in June 2009, which washed pollen off the flowers and diluted nectar (more about what these are used for under What Bees Do and Eat heading), making it a difficult first summer for the hive to get established, mine did well, one of the more robust ones Chris maintains. He had to treat the hive for varroa mites, and provide some supplemental feeding, but it survived the winter in fine shape and Chris assured me it would swarm in the spring. See Swarm heading.
It did swarm and we missed capturing it. So Victoria was gone with somewhat under half the hive in mid-May 2010 to establish a hive in nature, but her daughter Vicky (see Victoria’s children’s names here) stayed in the hive, went on her marriage flight and started laying her brood.
A week or two later, my yard guy, Roger, was finishing some work in the back, returned to the house around 6p to ask what was wrong with my bees, which were hanging out in a swarm on the lower branch of a Bradford pear tree I had planted a couple of years before. Turns out it was a second swarm from Victoria’s hive. I called Chris, who was at a client’s in Millbrook. He arrived around 9p, we went back, captured the swarm, shook it into a new hive, and thus I now have two hives, with Vicky queen of the first one and Alice, Victoria’s second daughter and third child, queen of the second hive.
Despite another difficult summer, this time a drought, which dried up the nectar in the flowers, both of my hives did well in 2010. Some varroa mite treatments and supplemental feeding, but both ended up with enough honey to get through the winter. Chris was able to harvest 14 pounds (one jar=one pound; a full rack of honey taken from a super weighs 5 pounds, so a full super weighs 50 pounds) from Vicky’s hive, which is the most delicious honey I’ve ever tasted. (Pasteurized store bought honey is a pale shadow of the real thing.) I’ve given much of it as gifts and am gradually finding and trying more recipes using honey. More under Recipes heading.
Alice’s hive, getting a later and smaller start, produced enough honey to get through the winter, but no extra for human consumption.
Despite the very severe past winter, both my hives pulled through. The girls are out gathering pollen for the brood (weeping willows and skunk cabbage are good sources right now), still feeding on last year’s honey. Soon there will be nectar and the girls can start making honey again.
Chris tells me that Vicky’s hive will swarm this year. He will try to divide it before that happens, with a queen. Rather than accumulating more hives, I’ll give the extra to my friends, the Simons. They are the couple who got me into the hobby and have had terrible luck with their hive. It has not survived for three winters in a row. I’m hoping that my seemingly stronger bloodline will give them a better experience in the future.
What Bees Do and Eat
Bees pollenate plants. You all know that, or can look it up, so enough said.
Bees collect pollen and nectar.
Pollen is brought back to the hive in pockets on their hind legs, looking just like bulging cargo pants. Bees make pollen into bee bread which is fed to baby bees. And stored in cells in the hive.
Nectar is carried back to the hive inside the worker bee, and made into honey, by addition of some enzymes, but mainly by water content reduction of 80%, which is accomplished by evaporation and by bees fanning. Adult bees eat honey.
Bees make royal jelly, which is fed to worker and drone larvae and to the queen bee for her entire life, which is what makes her a queen.
Bees also make wax for the cell structure and propolis. Propolis is a kind of glue they use to fill in drafty spaces and keep the hive in order. It is a fascinating substance and humans are continuing to learn more about it.
Wintering
During the winter, bees cluster around the queen. They keep the cluster temperature around mid-40s F., which is maintained by how much they eat and move. The inner bees in the cluster rotate out and vice versa.
The queen, who stopped laying in the autumn, starts laying again in February. At that point onwards, the cluster temperature must be kept in the 90s, which requires that bees eat a lot more. The interval between when the queen starts laying and when nectar becomes available, 2 or more months, is the most critical. If there is not enough honey stored in the hive, the bees will starve and the hive will die. There must also be enough pollen stored to feed the babies until it becomes available outside, a somewhat shorter period than for nectar.
Winter die-off of bees within a hive is substantial, and depends on the climate.
In my climate, normal organic hive failure rates during the winter are around 20-30%. This past winter, Chris guesses that, despite its severity, he lost only 15%, attributing the success to conservative honey harvesting, being overly careful to make sure they had enough to make it through.
Bees do not defecate in the hive. The outside temperature must be around 50 degrees before they can go outside to relieve themselves. This past winter there was not a single day meeting that criterion between December and March, meaning they held it in all winter. Chris thinks some of his hives that did not make it died of dysentery.
Summering
During the summer, the bees are busy collecting, making, storing, feeding, cleaning (bees are meticulous). As mentioned, they must have enough honey and bee bread stored to meet their needs for the coming winter. There must also be enough bees to maintain the temps in the cluster around the queen. Humans harvest the extra honey toward the end of the season. Honey lasts forever, kept in nonmetal containers in a cool, darkish place. It is antibacterial and can be used to sterilize cuts.
The queen can lay up to 2,000 eggs per day when she gets in gear and the conditions are right.
Summer bees work themselves to death in 4-6 weeks. Winter bees, somewhat different anatomically, and less physically active, can live 5 months.
After the queen lays the egg, fertilized for a worker, unfertilized for a drone, which are deposited in different size cells that the queen can feel with her legs so she knows which kind to release, the egg is surrounded with royal jelly for several days, then larvae are fed nectar and bee bread, then the larva spins a cocoon, which workers cap for the pupa stage. Queens, workers and drones emerge from capped cells after slightly different number of days when they are born. The whole process takes 16 days (queen), 21 days (worker), 24 days (drone).
The first thing workers do after emerging from their cells is clean them!
Queen cells are vertical, not horizontal, and as mentioned above, a worker becomes a queen by virtue of being fed nothing but royal jelly while developing.
When Chris opened my hive to inspect last May, we counted around 15 queen cells, which are easy to spot owing not only to vertical orientation but also because they are much larger. And we didn’t try to find them all. That is a very large number and attests to the health of my girls. Many of them were victims of regicide, whereby workers drill into the side and kill the developing queen. An opening on the end indicates the new queen got out alive, but is still vulnerable to regicide.
Swarming and Fertilization of the New Queen
Swarming occurs when a new queen takes over the old hive. The old queen leaves with about 1/3 of the adult bees, some of whom have been scouting around for a new home, like a hollow in a tree. It takes a day or so for them to find a good location for sure, during which time they hang out somewhere, like a tree branch, as a swarm. There is a photo on Chris’s website.
The new queen in the old hive is a virgin. After several days, she is ready for her first emergence from the hive, and one of the few in her life, her marriage flight.
Drones (fertilizers) hang out in a cloud at an altitude of about 500’ during the day. The virgin queen zooms up through them and they chase after her. The fastest male, often more than one, wins, and fertilizers her, which provides enough fertilized eggs for her lifetime, several years. In the process, the drone’s penis breaks off and he dies a few hours later.
Here’s a picture of a “successful” drone. Chris picked him up from a huge pile of dead bees at the base of my hive, cleaned out after the winter die-off. His experience allows him to see things that are invisible to me. I am going to have a graphic artist use the photograph to design a label, and call the honey from my hives Successful Drone Honey.
Lives of Queens, Drones and Workers
As mentioned, the queen lives 3-5 years, is fed nothing but royal jelly, and other than her virgin flight does not emerge from the hive except in a swarm. She lives so long because of her diet and also because she does not do the exhausting work of collecting pollen and nectar. She is the largest bee in the hive.
Drones are larger than workers, all eyes (the better to spot and follow the virgin queen) and do not have a stinger. They are not allowed to overwinter, as they do none of the grueling work, and in October are systematically excluded from the hive. I have seen Katie-Bar-the-Door when the drones try to get back in at evening time, and also their smaller sisters dragging them out and dropping them over the edge, where they starve.
Workers are infertile females. They go through stages during their lives. After they clean their cells, they become nursemaids, then a series of jobs until their bodies are mature enough to forage. After which they work themselves to death. It takes 10,000 worker bees to make a pound of honey. A single worker gathers 1/10 tsp. of honey in her life. Other fun and amazing facts about bees can be found here.
Foragers communicate the location of yummy stuff by the waggle dance, perhaps the only symbolic communication system known to exist in the nonhuman animal world.
One of the few specialized jobs in the hive is funeral director. Workers who do that job do no foraging, just keep the hive clean of bees that die inside.
Honeybees are sometimes referred to as semidomesticated in the sense that they are usually docile. They don’t like to sting, which rips their stinger out resulting in death a few hours later. Chris works with only a hat, no gloves, no netting, and I watch and help him similarly unprepped. I have been stung only once, when I tried to blow a bee out of the way. Nothing unique about my breath but they don’t like being blown on and one bit me in the neck. They also hate the banana smell, so I tell guests who I’m showing the hives not to carry their fancy banana laced cocktails over for the show & tell. The purpose of the hat is that if bees get into your hair, they get confused and tend to sting.
Bears and Other Critters
Pooh Bear notwithstanding, real bears are not primarily after the hunny. Bears are omnivores, but protein is what gets them through the winter. So they are after the larvae and honey is the icing on the cake. Autumn, pre-hibernation, when bears are bulking up, is the most vulnerable time.
I have not experienced a bear attack, nor seen any around, although there are plenty in my neighborhood. Keeping fingers and toes crossed.
Chris sets the hives on two 17” high hollow cement blocks and uses two metal straps around the hives and through the hole in the cement block to keep them attached. That way, hopefully, in the case of a bear attack, the bear might push the whole assemblage over, but won’t be able to get inside. Makes the bees buzzingly pissed, but the hive can be righted, the girls calm down after awhile, and life resumes.
Bears are black, and humans wearing black clothing are warned not to come too close to the hive. Chris’s shepherd dog Maggie is all black and quickly learned the safe distance.
The other reason the hives are set off the ground is that it minimizes attacks by other critters like skunk.
Part of the winterizing process is blocking all but a small part of the slot where the bees come and go and stapling screening with bee opening sizes over the remaining opening so that mice can’t get in. That is removed during the summer as it is too restrictive when thousands of bee trips per day are happening.
Honey and Allergies
Eating a teaspoon full of local raw (unpasteurized) honey per day can, over time, reduce or eliminate allergies to local plants. Here’s a homey website that explains how it works. Note that the “treatment” must not involve heating the honey, so honey used in tea, or other cooking does not count.
Italians vs. Russians; Africanized Bees
Most honeybees in the U.S. are Italians. Russians have been used increasingly since the introduction of varroa mites in 1987 because they are more resistant. Here is a website [pdf] that explains the history and the differences.
Africanized honeybees are much more aggressive. Here’s the wiki, with the history and a cool map with the rate of their northward migration into southern U.S. They are not yet a problem in the mid-Hudson region.
Varroa Mites
These are one of the biggest threats to organic beehives. The wiki is here. As mentioned, it came into the U.S. in 1987. There is a piece of white foam core board underneath my hives that slides in and out. It needs to be checked for mites (a little bigger than a period at the end of a sentence) periodically. If more than a dozen or so drop out onto the board within a day, the hive needs to be treated. Chris uses a treatment made from thyme oil that sublimates, permeates the hive, kills the mites and has little influence on the bees. They don’t like it (he once opened the hive after putting in the packet, and the girls were congregated near the top), and the queen stops laying for about a week, but as the mites can kill the whole hive, the discomfort and interruption is worth the effort.
Other problems
There are plenty of other pests that can get into a hive. I haven’t had problems with them, and this post is long, so enough said.
White House Honeybees
Here’s a link with a neat video that shows how honey is harvested.
Recipes
I haven’t done too much cooking with honey, never having used it before I got my hive, so I don’t have a lot of recipes to offer. My cookbooks do not contain many, perhaps because it’s much more expensive than white sugar or corn syrup.
I have made a pound cake using honey instead of sugar. The flavor was milder and more subtle.
I’ve found that using honey instead of sugar in salad dressing is a vast improvement. Ditto any kind of reduction sauce for meat dishes and sweet sauces for dessert, like fruit purees. Honey adds complexity to the flavor in those applications.
Here’s a website with lots of recipes.
Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD)
From what I’ve been able to learn, information is conflicting and nothing is definitive. I’ll stress what makes most sense to me, but nothing has been demonstrated to scientific satisfaction yet.
First, statistics on honeybee die-offs are all over the place. If one takes the most dire stats and compounds them for the number of years people have been talking about the crisis, there wouldn’t be any honeybees left.
Part of the problem is the normal bee and colony die-off in the winter, as discussed above. Hysterical emails that misuse stats get people who know nothing else all whipped up.
I also have no idea how soon the bee die-off would result in serious interruption of the human food chain, which is highly dependent on commercial (industrial) honeybee pollination. That is a critical consideration to be sure, but the tipping point is not known.
Organically raised honeybees do not seem to suffer from CCD. It seems concentrated in the commercial bee industry, those that are carted around the country by the millions on tractor-trailer trucks, to pollenate industrial orchards and other fruits and vegetables.
I have read 2 books on CCD, A Spring Without Bees and Fruitless Fall.
CCD involves mysterious emptying of hives, with no dead bodies in sight. Meaning bees go out to forage but can’t find their way home.
Neither author is a scientist but both try, mostly honestly I think, to assess the scientific evidence. Their chief culprit is insecticides, especially the more recently developed neonicotinoids, which are also the active ingredients in the most effective household pet flea and tick repellents like Frontline.
The hypothesis is that chemical is sublethal to bees but affects their navigation system. Thus, they leave the hives to forage, they are sensorily impaired, and can’t find their way back.
The major problems with this approach are twofold. One is the onset of usage in some countries and government regulation/prevention of usage (France) of those insecticides does not coincide easily with the onset/lessening of the CCD problem, though suggestive.
The other, more common and disgusting one, is that the chemical companies, no surprise, vigorously funds opposition research/propaganda, muddying the water to the maximum degree, including buying off scientists (academics too, not just scientists who work for chemical corporations) who might otherwise try to do honest work.
The EPA colludes with the chemical companies.
The PBS program linked at the end of this section points out that a virus might play a role.
The stresses of monoculture are an important factor.
To take the most extreme example: almond crop in California (eat almonds with maximum guilt after you read this). Almond trees are the first that must be pollenated in the season, February. Remember that is when the queen starts laying again and stores in the hives must sustain the colony. Almond trees contain pollen but no nectar. For reasons I don’t remember, almond trees are particularly difficult to pollenate so bees work harder than normal.
Bees by the millions arrive, already stressed by the winter, to do a particularly difficult task. Nothing but 300 miles of monoculture almond trees with not even a hedge row to give a poor bee a break. They work their little hearts and wings out, and survive only on corn syrup (think genetically modified too), fed by their owners, which is less nutritious but cheaper than honey.
Meanwhile industrial bees are being born, fed on nothing but monoculture. Chris likens it to a pregnant woman eating only one food for nine months (maybe Cheetos for pregnant bloggers) because the bee gestation period is so short and so much of it is spent in a single monoculture environment. This cannot help but weaken the genetic strain.
On top of that stress come insecticides and herbicides used in endless quantities to treat the crops.
What’s a poor bee girl to do.
In any event, regardless of the scientific reality, the real reality is that the stresses on the commercial/industrial honeybee population are extreme.
While there are a lot of other plant fertilizing insects, none exist in the numbers required to feed humans the variety of vegetable and fruit crops now available. Other crops that are big users of industrial honeybees include but are not limited to, all tree fruits, blueberries, cranberries. All are raised in the U.S. in monoculture settings.
Here’s the link to PBS program on CCD.
Here is the trailer for Queen of the Sun, a recent award winning documentary about honeybees with emphasis on CCD. The reason the bees accumulate (swarm) on the dancer is because there is a queen somewhere in that mass. That the dancer can perform with bees on her and that so many organic bee keepers work without protective clothing attests to their docile nature. Bees’ acute sense of smell also makes them familiar with humans who frequent the hive and are known for being gentle.
Comments
Comments and corrections are welcome. They’re open for 2-3 days and I’ll check back regularly to respond.
Please provide links and bona fides when appropriate.
Readers remember that unless the links and bona fides in the comments seem strong, you should regard all the information, both in my post and in comments, as hypotheses, not as conclusions. Also, chemical companies, EPA, might send trolls to disrupt the thread.
I love my bee girls. I never expected such a small hobby with such serendipital beginnings to develop into such an emotionally satisfying experience. As Chris says: It’s not about the honey. It’s about the bees.
He does not allow us to leave a visit to or inspection of the hives without saying “Thank you girls.”



233 Comments

“I am not a bee expert, so nothing I write should be regarded as definitive.”
Nothing any expert says should be regarded as definitive. Being an author, what you say I take to be authoritative.*
Here’s my Q: In their own ways, do you think your bees know you and understand who you are?
*ambiguous & dangling modifier intended
Wonderful, delightful, and very enlightening, eCAHN.
Recommended to the entire community.
Heard a buzz yesterday that you might bee about something, today and decided, therefore, to spend some time at FDL in sweet anticipation.
DW
Chris sez they can recognize human faces. If he’s right, they certainly know who he is & who I am too.
See Queen of the Sun if you get a chance. There’s several different organic beekeepers in it and they are all very friendly with their hives. Smell is a large part of the familiarity too.
Buy a jar of honey from your local organic beekeeper. They need your support and you will love their product.
Once upon a time, eCAHN, I walked into a “bee line” … a regular thoroughfare, at what seemed to bee “rush” hour.
My questions are these.
Where do your bees get their pollen throughout the season?
Can you tell, from their flight paths, what their destination might bee?
How far will bees travel, in your experience, to obtain pollen?
(AitchD’s question, especially the second part, done got muh curiosity up purty good as well.)
DW
I do, and the Tulip Poplar honey, hereabouts is powerful good …
;~DW
aitchD,
I put the disclaimer up front for several reasons. I’ve done just enough reading on bees to know that information on them varies. So (1) I didn’t want to claim what I was saying is the last word, (2) I didn’t want to get into any arm wrestling contests in the comments about certain items that some people feel very strongly about.
I meant the diary to be mostly my experience, with answers to FAQs. (Frequently Asked Qs).
BTW, you can google most acronyms & figure out what they mean that way. EPU, however, is in the context pretty unique to FDL, so when I tried googling it, the results did not get close to how we use it here.
Spectactular, eCAHN, on all counts. I love your relationship with your girls. Lovely. Your beekeeper sounds delightful.
I will be looking for a jar of organic honey to try “the real thing.”
There are plenty of fields around with a wide variety of flowers for both pollen & nectar. Used to be orchards & farms, now more sparsely settled with homes and woods, but neighbors don’t treat lawns.
I think bees can travel a mile or two if they need to, but a lot of stuff closer here.
In full season, you can tell a little bit where they’re returning from by the direction they approach the hive, but you can’t tell where they’ve been.
If you stand near the hive in their flight path, they’ll pile up behind you until you move away. Part of the show & tell routine. Chris recommends not doing it for more than a short period. The girls have enough to do without getting teased.
Thanks eCHAN very informative, but I would expect that from you☺
I recommend this with delight. I once trained at a state AG extension to keep Italians. I think bees are very interesting creatures but one thing I learned for sure is that they aren’t optional and we’d better pay attention to the signals they are giving. If they die off in big numbers, we are in deep kim chee as they are a “keystone species” (see the video, “Silence of The Bees” by PBS). Further, humans are unwise to harbor negative attitudes toward insects in general and conduct programs of insect-icide. Unless people disrupt the natural systems, they provide the balance.
Here’s the film trailer, Queen of the Sun, recommended by eCAHN. Take your family and see it. Make your lesson plans around it. Go make a field trip and see the bees at work before Solstice when they have peaked in their activity. Learn about pollinator versus honey bees. Observing them closely means you become a keen observer of the Earth cycles and patterns of your area throughout the whole year!
I saw Queen of the Sun last Sunday. It’s spectacular. Not only the photography and information from organic beekeepers from several places around the globe (NZ, London, Bronx, U.S. midwest, etc.) but also the photography of the commercial beekeepers with hundreds of hives being carted around on forklifts, loaded onto tractor trailers, strapped on, then SHRINK WRAPPED! Geez. They also had some great ariel shots of the monoculture almond trees in bloom.
Chris told me today that the reason why the industrial orchards don’t even allow a dandelion in sight is bc fruit & nut trees mostly don’t have nectar, only pollen, and if there’s a source of real food around the girls will go for it instead of pollenating the flowers on the trees.
(Pasteurized store bought honey is a pale shadow of the real thing.) I’ve given much of it as gifts and am gradually finding and trying more recipes using honey. More under Recipes heading.
Please describe the difference in taste stronger, sweeter, more nuance? Any health benefits or dangers?
The queen, who stopped laying in the autumn, starts laying again in February. At that point onwards, the cluster temperature must be kept in the 90s, which requires that bees eat a lot more.
If the bee hive was in the walls of your house they could benefit from the insulation in your house and if they are raising the temperature to 90 degrees any way they could partially heat your house.
Every little bit helps in the summer you could move the bees to the field.
When Chris opened my hive to inspect last May, we counted around 15 queen cells, which are easy to spot owing not only to vertical orientation but also because they are much larger. And we didn’t try to find them all. That is a very large number and attests to the health of my girls. Many of them were victims of regicide, whereby workers drill into the side and kill the developing queen. An opening on the end indicates the new queen got out alive, but is still vulnerable to regicide.
Why kill new queens?
As mentioned, the queen lives 3-5 years, is fed nothing but royal jelly, and other than her virgin flight does not emerge from the hive except in a swarm. She lives so long because of her diet and also because she does not do the exhausting work of collecting pollen and nectar. She is the largest bee in the hive
I am surprised the diet industry hasn’t created the only Royal Jelly diet they have created so many other fads.
I think I might google to see if any tests have been done on an only ri=oyal jelly diet with lab animals.
The honey I’ve bought in stores, which is not much, has a kind of harsh edge and something about the flavor that didn’t appeal to me.
My wildflower honey is sweeter, fuller & more complex in flavor. Really expands in your mouth. And yes, I’d say stronger.
Refer to the paragraph on Honey & Allergies for the health benefits of unpasteurized honey. There’s also a link in that paragraph.
Honey is sterile, no bacteria can grow in it, so there are no health risks that I know of. It’s antibacterial property is why you can store it forever & it never turns bad. They’ve taken it out of Egyptian tombs & it’s still good to eat.
It can be used to treat wounds and used to be used for that all the time before PhRMA developed more expensive (& prolly less effective) patented drugs for that purpose.
Once bees get into the walls of your house, there’s no getting them out. Chris recommends just leaving them alone, as they do no harm.
Well, Things, the thing is that the bees like to have their honey with them (you know how that is, I’m certain) but the honey and the walls of your house don’t “mix” very well. In fact, and I’ve seen this, it is very messy and quite a job to deal with … the “cleaning up” part … and the bees? They don’t like it, not one little beet … in fact, their commentary is very stinging.
;~DW
There can be only one queen per hive, and there’s not enough bees to swarm off with 15 or more queens to form colonies elsewhere.
The two swarms I had last year are pretty unusual. A healthy hive will more often have just one, depending on climate, food sources, etc.
GOPers say Global warming is not real but the spread of African honey bees argues otherwise.
Do NOT even mention humans or other animals eating royal jelly. I don’t know how the bees produce it, but it is difficult, special & precious and the bees have no extra to give away.
There are some cultures, in Asia I think, that collect it and consume it, but that is like stealing something very rare that the bees need to survive.
Don’t know enough about that to opine.
I’m impressed.
Back to the Garden , so to speak, nice very nice.
Thank you for a fantastic and educational diary! Great job!
“answers to FAQs. (Frequently Asked Qs).”
DUH = [I] Do Understand [,] Hon
Acronym = attenuated cryptographic reduction of nomenclature yielding meaning.
Not to be confused with initialisms (who cares).
Don’t know if EPU is A or I.
Chris uses a treatment made from thyme oil that sublimates, permeates the hive, kills the mites and has little influence on the bees.
Might be a good idea to plant some thyme and or other plants that kill parasites wormwood and garlic come to mind maybe add some cinnamon powder to garlic/wormwood lemonade with thyme sweetened of course with honey so the bees drink it.
I wonder if crushed fresh hot peppers would help me and my Dad sent a few peppers in a juicer once with tomatoes the result was strong we both had problems drinking one glass.
I have no evidence to back up my research but I suspect it killed every parasite I had:)
Organically raised honeybees do not seem to suffer from CCD. It seems concentrated in the commercial bee industry, those that are carted around the country by the millions on tractor-trailer trucks, to pollenate industrial orchards and other fruits and vegetables.
Farm chemicals I bet are the problem.
The workers produce multiple queen cells to make sure a viable replacement queen is produced. When the first new queen emerges she stings and kills the remainding unhatched queens since they are not needed.
You can reduce swarming and increase honey production by adding supers early enougn to reduce crowding which causes the hive to divide and swarm.
It is interesting how many bee-people there are here at the Lake. I had to sell my last hive, which was initially the most tame i have had, because the new queen produced very aggressive bees.
I have thyme in my herb garden.
“All of the above.”
Chemicals, monoculture, the fact that commercial bees are bred from queens also grown in queen factories, meaning the less variety in the genetic strain, and prolly a hundred other factors I don’t know about.
eCAHN, what a great diary. I love it.
Quick question. Do you have any resource for regions within the US where hives are more or less successful? I’ve tooled around on google for about 5 minutes and can’t seem to find anything.
I’m looking for a map to figure out if starting a hive would be worth a go :)
I don’t think you can call any honey Organic. You can treat your bees with natural compounds but you cannot control where they gather their pollen and nectar.
Store-bought pasteurized honey has that “harsh” edge, which I would equate with soured or vinegary wine — the molecular structure has been permanently altered, and the new structure is very different. Our (neglected) olfactory organs can be highly discriminating (if we aren’t bloated with sugars and salts).
I only make bread (Panasonic machine) at home, never buy it. I’ve read that raw honey can make the bread fail, but my actual experience is, well, I haven’t had a bread fail in that machine ever (18 months).
Instead of sugar or molasses, only local raw wildflower honey (made a mile from my home). Only all whole-wheat bread.
I think honeybees can thrive anywhere in U.S.
I highly recommend finding someone in your area who raises them organically to help you. You can do it yourself but as I mentioned in the diary, Chris, with his experience, can see things that I miss.
And just bc I haven’t had problems with pests other than varroa mites doesn’t mean I won’t have them in the future, and wouldn’t recognize the problem before it’s too late. Honeybees aren’t easy, esp these days when environmental degradation keeps creating new challenges.
The climate, plants and conditions– plus the bees to do the work– all combine to make a unique, raw honey. This is a lavender farm in Hood River, OR in a growing section called the “Fruit Loop” which produces lavender honey. This is lehua flower honey from Hawai’i which I find delicious. The ancestors had hives and the area produced a mesquite blossom honey that was unique and tasty. I bet the new olive groves in Eastern Oregon could produce some fantastic honey. All they need are the bees!
“Oregon Olive Mill Processing Facility” (video)
The Oregon Tilth is a pretty big deal. They have more here on organic, sustainable agriculture and the communities that practice it. Healthy land really does means healthy people.
Amost anyplace in the US bees will be productive. Urban beekeeping can actually avoid some of the pesticide poisioning that occurs near rural farming areas.
If you keep bees in an urban area you need to control their flyway to avoid problems with your neighbors.
BTW, here’s a story about inadvertency of having beehives in Brooklyn, where the girls are collecting from a nearby maraschino cherry factory and producing RED honey. GAH.
http://consumerist.com/2010/11/brooklyn-bees-now-producing-honey-with-red-dye-no-40.html
There’s a great scene in Queen of the Sun, when the rooftop beekeepers in Bronx observe a swarm of “wild” honeybees in nearby trees, just when the camera crew was there to film it.
Also, beekeeping on Paris rooftops I hear is getting quite popular.
The bit about checking with your neighbors if you live in a densely populated area is good advice.
Any suggestions on “controlling their flyway”? I’m not even sure how I would begin to do that.
Actually, bees must be within 1 mile of a flowing source of clean water. They have to fly to poop (or they die) and they need to fly out of the hive to get a drink of water. So, you locate the colonies at the center of a multi-acre property where you control the planting, enforce no spraying and so you do know that the produce is organic. You can even test the honey for residues so you can certify your status. Here’s a really excellent organic honey you might want to try or look in your area for the closest producer.
Right you are. That’s a complication I didn’t want to put into the diary itself, which is already Looooong. But thanks for raising it in the comments.
There are apple orchards near me that spray. There’s probably enough for my bees to feast on before they go that far (1-1/2 miles), but you can’t know for sure.
When I first got the hive, and was shopping at the farm stand at that orchard, I mentioned that I had just gotten one, but got the LQQK. I quickly figured out that the proprietress was anticipating my asking about spraying, etc. and she was right. As they know me, I short-circuited the conversation.
The orchard has some of their own hives, but also uses commercial bees when the blossoms are out.
This morning, when I was talking to Chris about the diary, that came up. He said that when he started his operation 20 years ago (even more orchards then), the local farmers thought he was a DFH. But they’ve been gradually coming around to ask him questions bc, of course, his bees do pretty well, and the bees on the orchard properties not so much.
There are a number of ways to control where your bees fly to and from their hive. If you have a flat roof area with easy access that would be ideal because the bees would be above ground level. If not you can use fencing or tall shrubs to keep them from flying directly across your or a neighbors property.
The idea is to force them to take a path that does not intersect with people on the ground.
How close are the houses where you live? If they are fairly close, tell your neighbors what you are thinking of doing, and ask them if they have reservations.
The only concentration of in-flight bees I’ve noticed are right in front of the hive as they come & go during the busiest part of the season. After they get a couple of feet away from the hive, they’re already pretty dispersed.
Garlic (a grass) and chili peppers (prized for capsaicin and high Vitamin C content) are time-honored vermifuges throughout any place warm in the world. I once had to self-treat on a trip and the family told me what to do. I still was sick as a dog but I saved myself serious future problems because I dealt with it immediately. When I got home I just had the lab check that nobody new had taken up residence anywhere in the GI. Mother Nature is the original pharmacy and there are some very special things no lab can synthesize. The Indian Jones of the pharmacy science world, pharmacognosists, are humble to admit that.
The things you suggest are nearly impossible to do because bees will fly up to three miles to gather nectar. The other problem is aerial drift of pesticides.
I don’t mean to discourage people but we can’t control the use of chemicals completly.
Your description of the flavor of store bought honey is better than mine, and I agree. I didn’t know about the altered chemical structure, but as I was a chemistry major as an undergraduate (many decades ago), I’m not surprised to hear it.
I don’t eat a lot of bread and am single, so it would never be worthwhile for me to make it.
But I can’t even stand to breath in manufactured bread aisle of the supermarket, it smells so bad,
If I buy bread, I buy the fresh baked kind with no preservatives, cut off a quarter of it to eat then and freeze the rest.
Thanks for bringing that up. I meant to mention it about flavors. I attended Chris’s intro class and he brought several diff kinds of honey for us to taste. The only one I didn’t like was buckwheat, which was too strong & earthy for me.
Score. The real deal bee keepers are the original DFHs and they know their stuff because there really aren’t any short cuts with the livestock called bees unlike the other endeavors (e.g. commercial meat production allows sick animals to be passed off to the buyer). Bees have a limited toxicity tolerance. Humans do too but they are usually unaware of it. If most folks found out what their actually toxic load was, I bet they’d have a melt down.
If you watch your bees closely you will see that they make a, beeline, and fly low when coming directly towards the hive entrance when the nectar source is from that direction.
The idea is to force them to fly higher from the ground and then drop down to the hive entrance or raise the hive to avoid the beeline.
We’re moving in a couple of months. Not something I would try until then.
The house we’re looking at currently is at the very back end of a cul de sac with miles and milles of corn fields behind the backyard.
wayoutwest,
How many hives did you have and do you still have any? It’s not entirely clear from your comments above & with embedded comments (gah), I might have missed one.
How many years did you keep bees?
And yes, you’re right. I’ve been amazed at the interest in beekeeping at FDL.
Mmmm…. Red Dye 40. Surprised some enterprising Agri-Giant didn’t come up with that sooner.
mzchief,
I just noticed your diary on mj.
The same thing is beginning to happen with “organic” unpasteurized honey. I forget the details, but one of the big PhRMA corps is setting up an operation somewhere (New Zealand?), where they’re going to produce the honey, get it “certified” by the USG for use on wounds or some such thing. Non-corp political contributors need not apply.
KrisAinCA, miles & miles of cornfields sounds like GM monoculture to me.
Factory will probably sue the beekeepers for stealing their property.
Nice diary eCahn
Years ago I worked for a beekeeper who sold his honey to Sue Bee Honey. I liked it, but the worst part about it was being stung by the dead bees while taking the frames out of the supers
My last hive went rogue and stung my neighbor who had an allergic reaction, this is why i quit beekeeping after 30 yrs. I kept bees as a hobby never more than four hives since they were for personal use and gifts.
Beekeeping is a great hobby and educational tool for kids but it is expensive to get started and anyone who is considering it needs to know about the liabilities as well as the benefits, bees do sting and neighbors do complain about your bees.
Heh.
I also don’t eat a lot of bread (possibly less than you) and am single, and have easy access to two Great Harvest Bread stores (both a horse apiece from my home) — they mill their own flour! — and an organic breads bakery whose ww uses a starter and is too inexpensive to mention. But it’s my hobby.
One of my students years back was a master baker, i.e., he trained bakers and workshopped at new bakery franchises (like Great Harvest & Montana Mills). He gave me tips, and a very serious book. Alas, the Panasonic is a masterpiece of tech and kitchen empathy (I’ve had machines since 1988).
Honey is also a preservative in bread in that the bread won’t go stale as quickly. The ultrapopular honey whole wheat bread uses maybe two Tbls. honey per 1 1/2 lb. loaf. It can’t be discerned as flavor. Most authentic bakeries don’t need added yeast since their doughs are continuously active in huge amounts, and the dough collects spores from the air which leaven the bread during fermentation. Thus do different kitchens all have different and unique breads, unlike the commercial bakeries that mandate uniformity and consistency.
And, yeah, if it’s New York, the water makes everything sweet and uniquely the best. *sigh*
I got an epi pen which I keep in reserve in case someone does have an allergic reaction. There’s quite a bit of open space around my hive, so not likely to happen, unless person getting close doesn’t know s/he’s allergic.
Last Memorial Day, when my family was visiting, I had Chris come over to do a lecture & open the hive to show it. My great nephew (6th grade) was scared to death to come near the hive, though his mother assured me he was not allergic. Chris went over to him afterwards and talked to him quietly & privately about how it was OK to be afraid, and gave him some personal attention & information. It was very sweet.
At one of the stores where I buy my raw honey and some other products, I couldn’t find organic corn flour among the two or three varieties of Bob’s Red Mill. The owner called Bob’s, and they told her that owing to GM corn’s ubiquity, it was impossible to lawfully and ethically claim that their corn flour was organic = non GMO, so they wouldn’t label it as such, while they assured her theirs was GMO free and organically produced. Sounds reasonable and logical.
Not long after, I bought Bob’s Red Mill Organic Polenta Corn Grits (label-certified!).
Ask me no questions, I’ll tell you no lies.
I’d like to see the reference if you can dig it up. Is it the manuka honey (see “Harnessing honey’s healing power, June 8, 2004)? Here’s a Kiwi webpage, “How does honey work to treat infections?.” This is special stuff (from the same webpage):
When honey is diluted by wound exudates, hydrogen peroxide is produced via a glucose oxidase enzyme reaction. This is released slowly to provide antibacterial activity but does not damage tissue.
In our rapidly urbanizing world adults and especially children are being isolated from the natural world. Beekeeping is one of the oldest ways that humans have learned to work with the natural world to produce benefits for both.
It’s almost magic when a child overcomes their fear examines an active beehive and begins to understand the connection between humans and nature.
So we know that bees get told everything to do by the chemical messaging all performed by La Reine, right? Well my theory is that the bees are also very sensitive to human chemical messaging that we send out fairly unconsciously (i.e. phermones). So, if we don’t have emotional control, we are chemically messaging fear or danger and the bees simply react. It’s also important not to squish any bees near an active hive as that send out the chemical message that the hive is in danger. It gets reinforced as more bees die so more bees come out to defend the hive. That’s why keepers use smokers to help calm the bees as it dampens the chemical message. Fortunately I am not allergic so they can just sting me but I prefer that not happen as a bee gives up its life (mechanically speaking the stinging action ends in the rupture of their body). To interrupt the chemical reaction with the skin, the person just flicks the stinger off.
It is my hope that as humans get to know bees and how beneficial they are, that human attitudes with change as too many confuse them with wasps (a different creature and a carnivore).
Yes, thanks for bringing that up. We prolly had a dozen people clustered close to the open hive so that they could see the details. All were very interested & relaxed. It was a good thing that my great nephew, being scared, stood so far away, bc if he had been close, the bees would have picked up his nervousness and experienced it as a threat, and gotten pissy. They didn’t mind being surrounded by peeps as long as the peeps were relaxed.
Almost no chance I’ll be able to figure out where I heard that. Maybe from Chris. It was an oral communication, iirc. I’ll ask Chris next time I talk to him.
It could be that some corp PhRMA giant has started to “fund” research at the institute in your links, which means they’ll apply for a patent and the rest will follow. I didn’t see a corp ref in your links, but they did sound a little like what I heard.
Could your last hive, the one that went rogue, gotten cross bred with an Africanized bee somewhere along the way?
Chris went to some island in the Caribbean January 2010 to deal with some Africanized bee problem. He reported that he had to really suit up with thick clothing, gloves, the whole bit. Quite diff from his work with his hives here.
I was Vieques, PR, I now seem to remember.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vieques,_Puerto_Rico
(My apologies if your screen is displaying a Flash mouthwatering ad for La Brea Bakeries. It’s not great or even good bread.)
Ah, it’s Comvita (again quoting from “Harnessing honey’s healing power,” June 8, 2004):
Comvita has high hopes for the new product.
“Previously untreatable wounds of many types are now found to be treatable by honey,” said Comvita’s Ray Lewis.
“The global market for wound care is in the range of two to six billion US dollars. So if we can capture just a small percentage of that, we will obviously be doing very well.”
So in the interrum six years ComVita (corporate website) has branded manuka honey as Medihoney™. Maybe biochemist Professor Peter Molan of the Honey Research Unit at the University of Waikato has figured out the mystery ingredient, maybe not.
That would be it, I’m sure.
Shhhhh.
I have a new computer & it doesn’t seem to do the ad thingy that other FDLers (that would be FireDogLakers *g*) complain about.
You’re not gonna live down your acronym ignorance for at least another day, or until I get tired of teasing you about it.
Great job, eCAHN…! What a cool diary…! *g*
Thanks CT.
I’m glad I did it, not only bc I can just link to it in the future when I get asked Qs, but also bc I’ve learned a lot from the comments, which I was hoping for.
My only disappointment is that it wasn’t important enough for chem corps to send in their corp trolls.
But there’s still a day or so for them to show up.
Prolly only bc the new fella’s IP hasn’t gussed enough servers yet.
Or you know that Adobe’s Flash Player is very insecure, vulnerable to attacks, and disabled it.
Googled, but can’t find what “Shhhhh” stands for.
(You really don’t know if EPU is an acronym or an initialism, do you Mr. Jones?)
Oh, and Thank you girl! (From The Beatles to the Bee Keeper)
I would add a warning about rooftops though – we tried that method back in our youth and not beeing experts, we had occasions on which our hive was unhappy – maybe not with our care as such (we did our best), possibly just weather irritability. Visitors might get the kamikase effect, so it is something to be aware of. And when our bees were unhappy, they zeroed in on me and on my son, both of whom have dark hair – the blondies in the family never got bothered.
We did get some wonderful honey, though.
I’ve has problems with Adobe’s flash player, esp in advance of the book salon that I hosted. http://firedoglake.com/2010/04/11/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-arnold-ludwig-king-of-the-mountain-the-nature-of-political-leadership/
So you’ve redeemed yourself from my acronym teasing victim. I have a short attention span on trivia.
fyo, manuka is the New Zealand version of teatree, so something like the australian teatree oil deal, I imagine. Scrubby shrub that grows on non-arable hillsides, so it would be a ‘sweet’ deal for sure.
{ LOL } Funny that. :-)
mzchief, juliania from above,
One of the most amazing things about FDL is when peeps like you show up & have such specific info that advances the knowledge. Thank you both.
You must’ve played those big screen trivia games in the Manhattan bars back in the day (I gather you’re competitive), you ‘bought’ a console with an antenna, you & the bar were connected to other bars around the world & you competed against everyone?
One time on a visit to Toronto my high school chum and I played, his gf was visiting her family in Norway for the fortnight, I took her ‘place’ at the bar (more single-malt Scotches than I knew existed). We went to a good high school, good secondary eds, so we usually won or scored second.
But there was a regular who sat in the back who my friend said was pretty sharp and our only competition. Very true. Very sharp. You have to be fast: your score is weighted by seconds/response time.
Well, up comes the True/False segment. The guy in the back showed his contempt for such nonsense by responding faster than anyone and getting all 20 Q’s wrong. Can you imagine how hard that is?
So, I fall outside and sprain my ankle. While I am propping and icing you post an excellent piece and I’m almost the last to see it!
What an excellent piece and since I already knew you were a Bee keeper are even more enamored by your dedication. I love honey, and live in an area of the US where hives are abundant. I never knew the difference in the species and wish to thank you for sharing about the Italian and Russian breeds.
We kept bees at school, and I leaned about a bee line.
One day, as the master (teacher) in charge of the bees was doing some beekeeping, and I was watching from what I believe a safe distance (between 23 and 30 years away).
I know it was over 25 yards because I was standing on the 25 yard line of a rugby field, and the bee hive were some fee beyond the touch down area on the rugby field (touch down zone).
I saw a bee leave the could of bees buzzing around the hive-under-keeping, and fly towards me. I stood and watched, and did not move. The bee flew in a visibly straight line and stung me on the forehead.
That was my first experience of a bee line. It was not my first, nor my last, experience of being stung.
Oh dear PP, hope your ankle recovers quickly. Ice is just the thing. Unfortunately honey does nothing for sprains. Though eating it could improve you mental outlook.
Italian vs. Russian is one of the early things that Chris talked about. It seems to be one of the current hot topics.
In the documentary Queen of the Sun, one of the organic beekeepers talked about varroa vs. natural selection. The point being that humans use more & more chemicals, even “natural ones” like herbal based ones, help keep the pest in control for awhile, but then the pest develops immunity/insensitivity to it and becomes a supermite.
I think that when Russians were first introduced their natural resistance to varroa might have been greater than it is now, though it is still better than Italians. For example, Russians do abortions if they sense a mite inside a capped pupa cell. You can see them in the dead pile outside the hive. But I’m guessing that constant treatment of hives would strengthen the mite and weaken the bee. The organic beekeeper in the film thought it might be better to let the infected hives die in the longer term virtue of the surviving bees being the ones who will reproduce as a more resistant bee.
Something to think about, though as I have only 2 hives, I’m not willing to let mine be the untreated ones that might be lost.
Funny story.
So far my experience has been that if I stand in a bee’s path, she waits patiently until I step out of her way or she flies around me.
Perhaps I shouldn’t be so nonchalant!
eCAHN, this post was super-interesting and a blast to read!
Recommended.
AitchD from above, nope never played the kind of game you described. Not a big bar attender, as it’s so much cheaper to drink at home and reading a book or blogging while drinking is much more interesting than being at a bar.
But I take your point on getting all 20 T/F wrong. You have to work hard for that record. Like be a TeaBagger or something.
Thanks newtonusr.
“Sweeeeet!” :)~ I love mini white-paper style posts.
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Glad you enjoyed it Kelly.
I love this diary. It brings back memories of my dad. He had hives for a good 10 years when I was a kid. I remember him getting suited up and using his smoker to remove the frames to extract honey. He had to wear one of those hoods that totally cover ones head due to allergic reactions if he got stung on the face (his eyes would swell shut, etc., not life threatening just annoying). Fortunately, neither my brother or I are hypersensitive to bee stings, as we were left to fend for ourselves.
You forgot to mention the girls don’t like to have their honey stolen. My dad would extract the honey in the garage and inevitably one of us kids would go into the garage and forget to close the door allowing half the hive to come in to reclaim their stolen loot. My dad would be livid. I guess he would leave the extractor in the garage to finish draining, or something, after he had finished most of the task of extracting the honey from the frames. This was over 30 years ago, so I’m kinda fuzzy on the exact story. If I recall correctly, he had to close the door and vacuum the bees to get rid of them. Although, wouldn’t they have gone home at dusk anyway? Maybe my mom was afraid they’d get into the house so he had to “clean” them up that way.
One time they swarmed and ended up hanging off a neighbor’s kitchen window. To say she wasn’t thrilled is an understatement.
A couple years ago I went to an acquaintance’s house in downtown Orlando and saw a smoker on his back porch. I was like OMG you have bees? How many people know what a bee smoker looks like?
Thanks for bringing back some good memories of my dad.
I can’t beelieve this thread is drawing such attention. It must be because bees and honey not depressing like politics.
I have had very agressive hives before Killer Bees came to the South West so it’s hard to tell since there is no visible difference. I doubt if they were because Africanized bee hives will send out hundreds of guards to attack while my hive only sent out tens.
Thanks for sharing those memories. I’m particularly happy to have at least one such story on the thread.
I grew up in Buffalo, a small city environment. My dad grew tomatoes in our postage stamp back yard and we had a peach tree for awhile. Even the best organic fruit I can find today cannot hold a candle to my taste memory of those tomatoes & peaches. And the smell of the hot tomato stem freshly broken off the plant during peak season…
Knew no one with bee hives, but would have loved it if there had been one around.
WRT having their honey stolen, I have not had the same experience. Chris took the racks we were harvesting the honey to his house where he has the centrifuge, and that was a little far for the girls to chase after him. (About 4 miles as the bee flies, but he lives on the other side of the Wallkill River, it is about 10 miles by road, as you have to go over a bridge, then backtrack.) We did put some partially made honey in the gazebo for the winter bc if it isn’t completely made & capped by about November, it can ferment. I didn’t notice any bees angrily buzzing outside the screened gazebo complaining about the theft.
Wow, what a ton of fascinating info to digest, ecahn. Will take me more than one pass. rec’d.
I’ve always found critter societies built on the queen thing so strange and interesting. E.O. Wilson’s book “Anthill” had some incredible descriptions of it in the ant world.
Anyway, a whole lot goin on with these crazy-ass little creatures!
Yea, I agree with eCahn, nice comment tuezday
And FWIW, maybe it’s just the beekeeper I used to work for, but the only thing we used for protection were gloves
I was thinking a partial cross breeding, not a complete infestation by Killers. I’m completely confused about bee genetics. I tried to read about it once, got a headache & gave up. Seems like the diff between queenie & worker is latter has twice as many chromosomes, or something like that. And all the bees in the hive descend from the one queen. So maybe on your queen’s marriage flight, she got fertilized by several drones, and one of them might have been an Africanized, so only some of her workers were or something.
You know the general idea of what I’m trying to get at, but I’m damned if I can explain it in words.
The contractor I have used for 20 years in the historic pres projects on the house is a pink diaper baby who is also into not only politics but also nature. Since I got the hive we’ve talked about it a lot, and he has told me tales about ant society.
I doubt I’ll branch out into ants, though their society is equally fascinating as bees. But bees are enough for me, they are fuzzy and cute, unlike the shiny & slick ants, and they give me honey just bc I love them.
California beekeepers Harry and Ormond Aebi, yes that’s their name, wrote a great book, The Art And Adventure Of Beekeeping. It is out of print but you may find it at a library. The book tells their interesting if strange story of their quest for the Guiness world record for honey produced by a single hive. The set the record of 404lb from a singie hive in 1974.
Chris doesn’t wear gloves. And if he wants to see what’s going on underneath a bunch of bees when he’s holding a rack, he just places his bare hand gently on the bees and they move away so he can see what’s underneath them.
Seems almost like magic.
Scenes like that in Queen of the Sun, too.
Wow– there are benefits of being blonde that I have never imagined! :-)
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404 pounds would be 8 supers at 50 pounds each. I can see that in a mild climate like CA, but season not long enough to make that much honey in mid-Hudson.
Adding cells that would be capped pollen, perhaps several more supers should be added to the total. Counting the base, that would make the tower 7 or 8 feet tall maybe. I am a stumpy senior woman so I would need quite a ladder to get to the top of that.
Chris is over 6′ so he can reach to the highest my big hive got last summer, which was brood box plus 4 supers. We harvested honey from one super, took the 4th off bc it was not full & finished enough to harvest or leave on, and the winter consisted of the brood box & 2 supers. I can reach to the top of that without help. *g*
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thanks ecahn
I see you’re buzzing around PW.
wayoutwest above thought that FDLers might be hanging out here bc it’s a lot less depressing (aka sucks less) than politics. Hope you have enjoyed it.
In due course, make a mental note to take your granddaughter to see a beekeeper open up a hive & talk about what the bees do. I think she’ll love it, Suz.
Hope mom & baby are doing well. And that you are helping mom get some sleep at night.
Good catch, juliana. Teatree is an antiseptic. I’ve used it for a long time (e.g. skin, gums) and I get the stuff from Australia. Very good quality and very concentrated. Young Living Essential Oils (http://www.youngliving.com/essential-and-massage-oils) is US-based and also produces very potent and high quality oils.
will do ecahn. i’m headed back to jen’s saturday and hope to help out as much as she will let me. being as she is jujube’s primary food delivery system, not much i can do to help with those middle of the night feedings.
Those are very kind words. Thank you. :-)
Breast pump.
Or not, as it may suit your agenda better. *g*
Your 50lb harvest is average and more than enough for a family. It’s interesting that my rogue hive produced nearly 100lb by June while my tame hives rarely produced more than 50lb.
The problem with Africanized bees is that their genetics don’t become diluted as they spread. These infected hives have to be distroyed because they are extremely dangerous to the public. The bees in my hive were just more onery than most but they probably represent the original honeybeee more than the domesticated bee in most hives.
Mother Nature proves everyday the most interesting and joyful lady…..may the universe protect her and all good bee moms like you…blessings of spring on you!
Two things, the second a Q almost related to your A re possible crossbreeding.
The first is my guess that Ulee’s Gold is probably in the top ten for Hollywood movies about beekeepers and their bees.
Q: Pray tell how your diary’s timestamps are EDT while all the other diaries are something like Aleutian Time (or PT not-moved-ahead).
True story: I was four or younger, on my street in Brooklyn, and a bee buzzed near my face and told me something I never forgot: “Never insult or harm us, or we will find you wherever you are and avenge the hurt.”
Thanks sadly.
Have loved hanging out here today & sharing stories.
Ya got me stumped on time stamps.
I suspect it is one of the many FDL subrosa tools for separating the confused from the super confused. Part of the ‘charm’ of the site.
Will make a note to look up Ulee’s Gold. I am so not into Hollywood, but there are some real gems (Last Emperor and Gandhi are my 2 faves for all time greats).
You sound like my Chris.
Most hives have the bees starting on the middle rack then spreading out in both directions.
My hive start on the left & spread to the right as the lefties get full.
Has nothing to do with politics IMO, but the fact that the left of the hive is the south.
But Chris sez that he knows a kind of bee diviner who he wants to visit my hives to see if repositioning them slightly will change the way the girlz fill the cells.
Whatever.
I love my bees, and I talk to them, but they don’t talk to me.
OTOH, they prolly talk very clearly to Chris. I’m just too mental for the girls to give me a chance.
Thanks for the feedback:) I wonder how garlic and peppers would effect the honey?
Thanks!
I’ve always liked honey, and experiencing single-source honey was a revelation. Single-source raw honey, even more so.
Tea tree oil plants,wormwood, Garlic, hot peppers, sweet potatoes, pumpkins I’m thinking if a garden was planted with healing plants and real healthy foods I wonder if that would improve the health of the bees, effect the taste of the honey, increase the bees resistance to mites, and hopefully increase the healing power and health benefits of the honey.
Forgot Thyme also what other herbs and veggies or fruits should be added to make the most healthy honey? I understand there is no research on this but if we speculate now we can brainstorm ideas to one day research
The Ulee’s Gold ref is a jest since it may be the only Hollywood movie about a beekeeper and bees. Never saw Gandhi. At our annual Oscars party and betting pool that other year, I won most of the money having picked TLE and several others. WIWY.
Your bees talk about you, they used to talk to you, but you didn’t show any response, so they figure you’re hard of hearing.
I wasn’t in school yet, was a late talker as it’s called (said hardly anything and then when I started talking used complete sentences), so I maybe still had some of my primary consciousness before the secondary consciousness whitewashed it and sent it deep. Can’t link ya to that great Wordsworth Ode or I would.
You know many interesting and useful things.
Fascinating and very engaging post. You go, girls!
Thanks storyofo I just want to see the results of the experiment I hope it works:)
Raw single-source honey from Ames Farm:
http://www.amesfarm.com/honey.php
Really interesting diary, eCAHN. Recommended!
Thanks PW. That’s an interesting link. I was fuzzy in the head about how single source honey comes about and that explains it.
Mine is just generic wildflower, bc it is collected & accumulated over the entire summer season. So it’s a mix of everything.
WOW! It would be great to take their “rejects” and make an “estate mead” (with no preservatives). Thank you for sharing that.
How much land do you need for a single bee hive so kids next door getting stung is not a constant worry?
How much space should be between 2 bee hives to avoid fighting if food gets scarce assuming bees fight each other?
If 2 bee hives are near by and one is attacked by a bear will bees from the 2nd hive help the first at what point does distance make the first be hives bear attack someone else’s problem for the second bee hive?
Is there any plant Bees prefer assuming distance between the bee hive and any 2 plants is equal? I assume somebody must have done some observation or research on this subject since between now and pre Roman times.
If not America really needs to start doing more research.
The way plant GMO is implemented is about blending and increasing the amount of poison in situ. IMO increasing the toxic load of a living thing is actually not tenable in the short or long term. No one knows how Mother Nature with respond to the tampering and, if they do and they are a corporation, they are probably lying to you about the findings as the corporation only exists as an entity propelled by greed. Meanwhile, because commercial agricultural practices were not changed to account for the poisoning, the soil and water are polluted with the poisons that have a half-life. We’d have to declare not only a moratorium on nuclear but on GMO then calculate the decay of the poisons as well as do monitoring to see the actuals versus the theoreticals. It’s really true; Monoculture = Death.
When I had bees, I tried to be entirely organic. That meant I had to know the history of the land. That means I had to know if poisons were drifting onto the property from adjoining neighbors spraying or public officials spray poisons on the right of ways adjoining the property. Besides the school of hard knocks– cancer-related illness and death (the same results as those being experienced by the children of Chernobyl)– it is only through education and persistence that folks will come around. I’m hoping that’ll happen much sooner than later given this process is, fortunately for us, not linear.
Hello, eCAHN, my name is Aja, I’m David’s daughter.
I really enjoyed reading your diary.
The science fair is coming up at my school, and I have been wanting to particapate in it,but I am finding myself in a position where I don’t know what to do for it.
Yet your diary has given me an idea and I apreciate it very much because I would never have thought of this.
I might be over the deadline for the science fair sign-up this year, nevertheless I am planning to particapate next year, and this will give me extra time to plan.
I’m thinking what I’ll do is try to determine if or how the color and sweetness of a flower affects bee visitation.
Do you have any thoughts on my idea?
Thanks again for the diary.
Aja
The Henry A. Wallace Beltsville Agricultural Research Center is part of the USDA located in Maryland. It has one of the experts on the pollinator bee. There is a website at USDA Bee Research Laboratory. I’m sure it will make for interesting reading.
Well, once upon a time I had some chops in genetics and entomology, so let me take a whack at it. You mentioned that the hive is a superorganism, which is absolutely correct.
The queen is diploid, having two copies of each chromosome. She functions as the ovary of the colony. Each of the workers is also diploid, but infertile. In order to be fertile, a larva must be fed royal jelly continuously.
The drones are haploid, having only one copy of each chromosome. You wouldn’t be too far wrong in thinking of drones as spermatazoa.
In the colony, a worker results when the queen releases sperm stored from her mating flight onto the egg she is about to lay. A drone results when she doesn’t release sperm.
If (and it’s apparently a big if, subject to some controversy) the queen mates only once, then the workers are more closely related to each other (sharing, on average 3/4 of their genes) than sisters. Whether the haplo-diploid sex system in bees was the result of kin selection driving the social hive or vice-versa is a matter of dispute.
Hi Aja,
I also got your email, but I’ll answer you here bc others might be interested.
I don’t know the answer to your Q offhand. I have lists of plants that are good for bees, but have paid no attention to them bc I have plenty of land with wildflowers around and the bees will get what’s there. I’m not going to plant special flowers for them.
For your project I would do the following. I would look for such lists on the internet. I’d guess you’ve done a lot more research on the internet than me, so you probably know more about how to find reliable sites. But I’ll give a few tips anyhow.
Although I used wikipedia for a lot of links in my post as it should be accurate enough for casual knowledge, for a school project, if you start with wiki, you should pursue the backup footnotes at the end.
Academic sites (.edu) or organization (.org) like beekeeping clubs would be more trustworthy.
If there’s a college near you, or an organic beekeeper, or a beekeepers club, maybe a garden club, you can call them and they’ll probably be eager to help you. Organic beekeepers & clubs are often resource scarce, so their websites are primitive. But they love the bees & like to talk about them.
Here seems to be a site for beekeeping clubs in NY state, for example. http://www.bees-on-the-net.com/new-york-beekeeping-clubs.html
From what I do know, honeybees are attracted to a wide variety of flowers; the lists are long. Chris tells me they love linden and black locust trees, and each tree, when in blossom, can provide enough nectar to produce many pounds of honey.
I’m not sure how color works. For example, they like dandelions, but not forsythia, both yellow. Something about the shape of the flower, which is another variable for you to consider.
At the local bee club, a college prof was a guest lecturer on bee anatomy. It is incredibly complicated, and I was listening out of curiosity to get a general idea, not closely enough to actually learn it. But I vaguely remember that sense of smell is extremely acute and important in foraging. And the anatomical construction that goes into that sense is suitably complex. Ditto eyesight.
So whatever you find out about the plants that are attractive to bees, for a science fair I’d think you should also describe how that works with the bees’ receptors, i.e. anatomy. Makes your display more scientific.
I also know that the color of the honey is partly related to the color of the food. For example, purple loosestrife is an invasive species that is gradually taking over the northeast. But the bees like it, and as it is one of the late flowering plants, it is good to have around for seasons that might have been slim pickings for whatever reason, like last summer’s drought. Being late blossoming, loosestrife gives the bees better odds of storing enough honey for the winter. As you can see in the link for the picture, the flower is indeed purple. And the honey from such flowers is a darker color than that for other color flowers. I observed that in the capped cells when Chris opened up the hive for one of its final inspections before winter last year.
http://www.google.com/search?q=purple+loosestrife&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
All my harvested honey get mixed together, so I was not able to tell whether the loosestrife honey had a different flavor.
Phoenix Woman’s link, not too far above (4/22, 10:20am), explains how you can get single flower honey flavors.
I’ll email you if I get more ideas, or if I find one of the lists of flowers.
Also, make sure in your presentation that you go into more detail on the waggle dance than I did in this post. It is incredibly important for bee communication, one of the things I had no idea about before I got my hive so found it fascinating, and IS, as I mentioned, but can’t be stressed too much, perhaps the ONLY abstract communication known for nonhuman animals.
Another intellectually fascinating subject that I wonder about from time to time, but have done no reading about, is that flowers and bees (or pollenaters more generally) had to coevolve, as neither one can live without the other. So you might do a little reading on that subject too, even if your final display does not make a big deal of it. If the fair also involves oral explanation, you could dazzle the judges just by knowing a little about that aspect of the complicated process.
Got another link for you eCahn
I was looking around for something for my Science Friday post (here’s what I came up with) and ran across this, at Robert Krulwich’s blog
Bees That Work For the Police
Video and more at the link
http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/02/15/133748476/bees-who-work-for-the-police
When I first started reading the story, I was tempted to click back and type (all caps): That’s perverted. Or: You lie!
But I went far enough to figure out it’s a spoof (already had my suspicions when I got to only 43 hives & decoding waggle dance).
One of my guilty pleasures on TV is CSIs. Don’t know why I like them so much bc I’m skeptical of most of what they do. But they do claim to do, in “trace,” pollen analysis. If I were ever on a jury where that were part of the prosecution case, I’d tell the other jurors to ignore it.
Besides never having read how reliable it is (always reliable on TV of course), it’s another one of those barriers to defense, that would not have the expertise or money to hire expert to challenge it, and if it is truly trace, the sample was prolly used up in the “analysis.”
On rereading your Qs, I picked out that you mention “sweetness” of flower.
Very interesting. I never thought of the flowers having flavor to the bees, and no conversation or reading I’ve done yet has mentioned that. Nor did the bee anatomy prof mention taste as a sensation that attract bees.
Honey, their adult food, is, of course, sweet, and pollen is also slightly sweet. (Some drops onto the white foam core board at the bottom of the hive that I described in the varroa mite section, so you can wet your finger, dip it into a pile & taste it.)
Although the sweetness of sugars is one of their major attractions to humans, I’ve been thinking of sugar as just a major, and efficient, energy provider for bees. I’m gonna do a little googling & see if sense of taste is important to bees.
Oh, you’re right
I just skimmed through the first few paragraphs, and thought it was true because I was busy with my post. He hid the punchline too far down
Thanks for catching that eCahn
So here’s the first article that came up when I searched: Do honeybees have taste buds. It looks like it’s right on point.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/10/061025181706.htm
LOL.
For those who don’t click on the link (article is short, so give it a try), the short version is that bees have very little sense of taste. (Genome analysis) They don’t need it bc of coevolution, so bees don’t need taste to sense poison. Which, BTW, is what makes them so susceptible to insecticides.
Bargaincountertenor,
I just scrolled back to see if I missed any embedded comments & found yours.
Yes, your explanation is much clearer than what I found to read on the internet. Not sure I’ll remember it to be able to repeat it, but I understood what you typed when I read it.
Have I mentioned in the last 2 minutes that I hate embedded replies.
Clearly you are talking about what you perceive are limits in your situation. Folks have achieved real organic standards not only in parts of the US but in other countries (e.g. New Zealand, France). If you are living in an area where the folks have zero political will to stop poisoning themselves from nuclear and biochemical sources, that’s seriously bad news which has direct implications for you and yours.
The French are rightfully adamant to exclude GMO and there are many excellent reasons. The following article I mention regarding cannabis “market” manipulation will introduce you to the issues: “GM maize ‘has polluted rivers across the United States’” (The Independent (UK), Sept. 28, 2010)
Great job on this diary. A friend is a bee/honey packer in Florida. He taught me a lot. Neonicatinoids are common termite treatment chemicals, for example. Such chemicals are showing up in the flesh of oranges and the orange juice concentrate. (in such high PPM that my friend won’t drink typical OJ.)
I haven’t either since he told me about it five years ago.
Neonicatinoids (banned in Europe) work on the brain function of insects. They kill by confusing the insect. The insect forgets where it needs to go.
One way to look at neonicotinoids is that sublethal insecticides might be more lethal than those that kill bugs outright. Law of the unintended outcome: if they don’t kill good bugs right away, it’s an excuse for allowing widespread usage before their real damage can be assessed. After that becomes obvious, it is too late.
Oh, a general point that didn’t occur to me to make earlier, is the beneficial influence of insects more generally.
I was particularly delicious for mosquitoes when I was little, got covered by bites, which I scratched to huge scabbed sores & scars afterwards.
So insecticides that killed the buggers were my friend.
It took a long time for me to unlearn the lesson that bugs are bad to the point, now, when I take joy in (most) bugs.
Fuzzy cuties like honeybees that also produce delicious stuff for humans, are very helpful to humans trying to make the transition from bugs=bad to bugs=good.
Incredible diary. I can’t wade thru all the comments, but got about half of them done.
Great, great diary and reader participation.
Thanks, eCahn! Really enjoyed this one.
Hey Larue, you can see why I’ve been glued to my computer since I published this diary.
I haven’t done very many, but I feel responsible to respond thoughtfully to people who take the time to read them and make comments. And there have been so many great comments on this one. From people who know much more about science & bees than I do to personal memory stories that welled up.
As I mentioned to CTuttle above, the only disappointing thing is that I didn’t get onto chemical corps radar screen enough for them to send in their paid attack trolls. *g*
It’s fantastic stuff. Order their Honey Variety 5 Pack and taste how radically different honey can be.
FYI, pot, corn and many other plants are wind pollinated so bees won’t make very good narcs since they don’t visit these plants.
I read somewhere that some beekeepers actually harvest all of the honey and then give the bees high fructose corn syrup to live on. That must be awful for the bees. We know that HFCS has no antibacterial properties and it sure isn’t very healthful.
Hadn’t heard that before but I wouldn’t be surprised.
In the documentary, Queen of the Sun, the commercial beekeepers are shown pouring gallons of HFCS into the hives. And of course it’s from GM corn.
Amazing diary and a joy to read, delicately sweetened personification. Just now happened on to it. I hope to see more adventures of eCAHN’s girls.
wayoutwest from above sez
I knew that corn was wind pollinated but not that mj was.
wayoutwest near the top of the comments,
You mentioned that you can reduce swarming by adding supers.
That’s true in general, but there’s a limit I suspect. Many beekeepers give the hive a head start by including plastic hexagonals to their racks, which reduces the amount of wax they have to produce to build them. That enables them to establish cells more quickly for brood, honey, pollen.
However, although Chris gives them a little bit of a template on each rack as a starter, he pretty much insists that they build their own wax hexagonals, bc “that’s what bees do.” That would slow down the rate at which they can build up the infrastructure in the added super to accommodate added bees at the rate the queen is laying. So the hives he looks after might swarm more often. I didn’t ask him, but I’m trying to think it through myself.
Of Note: ‘“Nicotine Bees” Population Restored With Neonicotinoids Ban” (TreeHugger.Com, by Roberta Cruger, May 15, 2010)
Well this petition just crossed my desk and seemed appropriate for this thread:
Yeah and we save the human population too!
Nice post and congratulations on the front paging. :)
What a completely barbaric practice!
I had the same trouble when I was a girl, eCAHN. Much consternation among most of the adults, none of it particularly helpful. Real friends are aghast at how the large welts I get instantly from mosquito bites. Just have to stay away.
Exciting to see this on the front page!
eCAHN is a front-pager!!!
Great to see a wonderful diary get the top-of-the-line exposure which it richly deserves.
;~DW
About time this grandly written diary got front-paged. My only comment – a picture Ms. ET took last week near a small village on Prince William Sound in Southcentral Alaska: Bees on a fresh crocus.
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This is really interesting and fun to read. I have saved it so that I can read again. Great job, eCAHN.
Bee-you-tifully written, eCAHN !
Bee-utiful front page photo!
Everything you ever wanted to know about the bee’s waggle dance but were afraid to ask– a short and fascinating video here.
“Dancing Bee” (video with amusing audio track by Sum Svistu, a fun Czech band that’s really into sparklers and plays ethnic and reggae inspired music)
eCAHN, Per larue and many others. Great post. Thanks.
Yay, eCAHN!!! Front page, kiddo! Great going, and I’ve been enjoying getting the buzz on the bees. Thanks for your post. Good commentary, too.
Hi everyone, I’m here.
I didn’t get notification of front paging until I was prepping & eating dinner, so I come back to this wonderful surprise.
I used a tsp of honey in my cherry reduction sauce for my duck breast!
Thanks for linking to that.
Thanks ET. Crocus are such a sign of spring and nice to see the bees enjoying them. It’s been a long & hard winter.
“The fastest male, often more than one, wins, and fertilizers her, which provides enough fertilized eggs for her lifetime, several years. In the process, the drone’s penis breaks off and he dies a few hours later.”
I wonder whether this would be good in humans or not?
Thanks for a very interesting and lovely diary, eCAHN. Maybe your girls thrive so because you love them.
Congratulations on the front paging eCHAN!!! And WOW it is still going!!WQQT!
Wellllll, I thought of several editorial comments I could have made while writing that sentence, but on second thought, it seemed best to leave it to the reader’s imagination. :-)
I’m sure that’s part of it. If one were to treat it purely in scientific terms, one would call it the pheromone thing. :-)
ah that is one penis to far for human males….
Everyone make sure to check out all of mzchief’s links. They are all great, but the dancing bee at 7:43 (a few comments above) takes the cake. I’m pretty sure it’s a drone grooming. So in addition to how much fun it is & the music, you can see how meticulous bees are. I think it’s a drone bc I see no stinger on the rear and bc of what big eyes he has.
“what big eyes he has.:
Little Red Riding Hood????
Yes, and in October, the girls come home & say: Who’s been eating MY food.
BTW, the behind-the-scenes genies are responsible for the photo at the top, which is a worker with her cargo pants full of pollen.
hahaha. science calls them pheromones cuz science don’t understand the phenomenon/a.
HFP Day!
Delurking to add a couple of thoughts: One very good resource for anyone wanting to learn more about beekeeping is your local beekeeping association. I started beekeeping by taking their “short course” which is a once a week class for six weeks where the most important information about beekeeping is shared. Our club also had a field day at the end of the course where we got practical experience donning the gear, lighting the smoker and opening up and observing hives. Bee people are good people and love to share their knowledge. There are beekeeping associations all over so do the Google and see what you can find. Our bee association also provided new beekeepers with a volunteer mentor, a godsend.
There is another bee breed, the Carniolan, that is also very common. My first two hives were Carniolans. Last year, I added a new hive of Italians, and this year, requeened my oldest hives with Italians (mostly because that’s the type I was able to get; I was happy with my Carniolans).
And lastly, the White House beekeeper (in the video someone linked above) is a member of my local bee association. I don’t know him personally, but I do know that all the members of our club are very proud of him and the fantastic job he’s done advertising for the bees. That’s quite a hive he’s put together!!
Treat those big welts with a meat tenderizer (Accent) compress.
Thanks for delurking & the comment. Agree with everything & will check out Carniolan, which I hadn’t heard of. “Mentoring,” what a great idea.
After nearly 2 years, I still can’t “see” what Chris can see. And of course, if I haven’t run into a particular problem, I wouldn’t know how to handle it from just a course. There’s a surprising amount to know, and like hands-on hobbies, it takes practice as well as brain learning to be able to do it right. And even then, there are no guaranties.
Congrats on the front page! Every time I come back to this diary, it has grown!
I’m really heart-warmed by the reception. I sensed a lot of interest bc of my now & then casual mention in the threads, but not this kind of attention.
The big question: If you had it to do all over, would you trade your degree and experience for a life with bees?
If I ever did bees, I’d like an observation hive
It’s a great, fact filled diary eCAHN, no wonder it’s popular.
I do want to add, as you’ve suggested above eCAHNomics, that as a kid I found bees fascinating and I do think it’s a great idea to introduce kids (probably preteen)to the world of bees. If nothing else a bee’s sense of community and, dare I say civic duty, was a real eye opener for me as a kid. At some point in middle school my dad’s bees became background noise in my childhood, but earlier I had found them fascinating. Bees may well be part of the reason I’m progressive today.
As a kid I also loved chewing on honeycomb. Not sure I’d be so enthralled today but it was some good stuff to a 10 year old.
Congrats on being front paged.
No, not even close. Nor would I ever have thought I’d ever bee interested in honeybees, nor cooking, nor canning. (My mom did a lot of the latter, to make ends meet. She worked until all hours of the night during harvest season & I swore I’d never do it. Now, I’m into it and rediscovering how much better it tastes than supermarket junk. Whoda guessed. Not me, for sure.)
Bees are perfect for this time of my life, but earlier would have gone nuts with the natural life. Some cliche about right time & place for everything comes to mind.
Cheater! Girls like it dark.
I’m sorry I didn’t know sooner about front page, but thanks very much and glad I returned before it was gone from FP.
How did I know that was the answer?
Good stuff, eCAHN! Thanks. Enjoyed that. :o)_
Bees are on the extreme of communities, a hive being considered in many senses a single organism.
I imagine that schools would be too paranoid about liability today to have a hive anywhere near the property. But a visit to an organic beekeeper, with lecture & demo, would be great, with appropriate permission forms signed by parents. Buried somewhere in the middle of the comments (without comment #s it’ll be hard to find) was my story about having Chris come & do a lecture & demo for family last Mem Day weekend. My 6th grade nephew was scared to death & didn’t come anywhere near the open hive, but all the others, including some neighbors’ kids, were clustered as close as they could get to the open hive so they could see every little detail. It was a lot of fun.
Every believer in Ayn Rand should be forced to have a beehive nearby. :-)
Wonderful! I reminded myself to read this while it was still a diary, and was thrilled when it went front page and when I finally had time to read. Greatly informative and interesting…..and wonderful comments and links. I do hope, eCAHN, that you will favor us with updates over the season as to how your girls are doing. Nicely done!
How does that effect the honey eCHAN said store honey sucks compared to her stuff because its pasteurized but HFCS I am sure must effect the taste. We have another variable for store honey being bad.
Sad thing is I like honey the glass jar stuff is normally pretty good I never get the plastic bear stuff.
Congrats, eCAHN.
Ah, but we are truly a single organism too.
Humm, it just occurred to me that buzz is in your screen name. Bees or drugz?
Since I stopped working over a decade ago, I’ve fallen into one good thing after another. There’s really a whole world out there.
Some of the stuff I’ve been really interested in for a couple of years, other interests have lasted longer.
Gave you another reply to your last comment up above. :-)
Heh. No good deed goes unpunished, right? Updates, really. *g*
Still working here: Throwing the shit up against the wall. Some of it is still sticking.
Enough said.
I noticed BargainCountertenor’s excellent comment on superorganisms and, meanwhile, I can’t help but notice the numerous “toxicological” themes here spanning the macro to the micro– environmental, social, financial, medical (one more time why not to do this), genetic and even wrapping around like some kind of Mobius Strip to the metaphysical. Zounds! Whether it’s zepoliters or zettabytes, FDL is deep into the forensics. Is the Earth about to pop through a worm hole in the space-time continuum? Will Dr. Who appear? Dood, I am having a very cosmic moment. *wow*.
Now you’ve gone several links too far, though I loved the one about the mobius strip.
Watching the trailer for Queen of the Sun, I recognized Gunther Hauk, a biodynamic beekeeper who was here in Austin years ago talking about colony collapse. As a result, I visited his community in New York once when I was in New York on a visit. The first call I made with a cell phone was from the orchards at the farm.
eCahn, professional beekeepers do not allow their colonies to swarm if it can be avoided. Bees only swarm when they run out if available space to store honey. This condition is easily observed during the honey flow by examining the hives late in the evening. If there are hundreds of bees clustered outside on the front of the hive it’s time to add supers.
There is a lot of debate among beekeepers about what type of foundation to use, plastic, pure wax or combo. Whatever you use healthy bees with plenty of resources can draw out their combs with amazing speed, a few days for a large hive.
The most important thing is timeing the addition of supers to relieve crowding before they begin to produce new queens. There are also some tricks that help like placing empty supers between the brood chamber and partially filled supers to stimulate making wax not queens.
Another factoid about male bees, drones, is that they are only allowed to live when there is a new queen to be fertalized. Once they are no longer needed they are forced from the hive and starve since they can’t feed themselves.
wayoutwest,
I’ll ask Chris.
There was plenty of empty space in the existing supers when my hive swarmed twice last May.
Great diary eCAHN! Recommended.
I wrote this up in the nests, but will repeat it here so it won’t be buried:
Watching the trailer for Queen of the Sun, I recognized Gunther Hauk, a biodynamic beekeeper who was here in Austin years ago talking about colony collapse. As a result, I visited his community in New York once when I was in New York on a visit. The first call I made with a cell phone was from the orchards at the farm.
Congrats on this great diary and being front paged, ECahn. I so enjoyed learning about bees and reading all the comments.
Today I had lunch with friends and their 13 year old daughter. The girl is fascinated with insects. I told her some of what I read here and now she’s hot on the bee topic. She’s learned everything she can about ants and wants to compare their “setup” with bee activities. I love her enthusiasm.
Gunther Hauk video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxfAHUFHQh4
He was prominently featured in Queen of the Sun.
Hiya Pat & thanks for showing up in the comments.
As I mentioned earlier, bees are a lot fuzzier & cuter than ants.
Nothing against ants.
But your friends’ daughter should find a place where she can go see some of the bee cuties.
Thers is upstairs!
Late Night: Dumb of the Dead
eCahn, it’s actually the number of bees in the hive not the amount of honey that is most important. This is why observing the hive in the evening is important. The number of new bees can increase incredably fast in the spring.
The timing of adding supers is critical because once the hive decides to swarm it is nearly impossible to stop them. You lose a large amount of honey production whenever a hive swarms and you lose a complete hive.
My local large beekeeper splits these hives into multiple, nucs, to avoid the loss of the bees. he loses production but ends up with more hives for the next year.
I recommended this on thursday, what a great diary, and so glad to see it front paged.
I was terrified of bees as a child, the result of being badly stung. One of the unexpected side benefits of meditating was that i gradually lost all fear of bees about twenty years ago and now i love the little critters. I need to drill holes in some of the little stumps in my back yard to provide nests for some of the native solitary species of bees.
This was a fascinating read, eCAHNomics; thank you.
I’d been meaning to learn more about beekeeping, but ever since I saw a Martha Stewart segment on her hives, it seemed an overwhelmingly labor intensive endeavor and a real time and energy commitment.
May I ask what your arrangement is with your beekeeper? Do you just provide the land and he does all the tending and harvesting? And is whatever arrangement you have fairly standard?
You mentioned that the bees were out collecting pollen from weeping willows and skunk cabbage now — Do those flavors come through in the honey? I don’t think I’ve ever tasted anything but standard honey flavors (orange blossom, clover, wildflower, lavender).
I’ve been a beekeeper for at least 25 years, with one, sometimes two hives. I don’t consider myself to be a good beekeeper, primarily because I don’t put quite enough time into managing them. The most important change I’ve observed over the years is that it’s becoming increasingly difficult to keep hives alive, both for myself and every beekeeper I know. I recently ran into a beekeeper who said that his one colony has not produced any excess honey in five year.
I encourage anyone out there to become a beekeeper. It’s not difficult or as time consuming as you might imagine. And it’s satisfying and rewarding and definitely good for Mother Nature. And don’t listen to PETA, keeping bees is not animal cruelty. We need more beekeepers.
One of my favorite things about spring is seeing a few bumblebees every year! Love them! And the dragonflies, too.
Thanks! I’ll try that!
The pollen does not get into the honey; only nectar does.
My honey comes from a variety of wildflowers collected over the entire season, so there is no particular one that dominates.
I pay a fee, like a docs visit, when Chris comes to inspect the hive. He does the work, diagnosis. I just watch. I don’t know if it’s standard arrangement. It’s how he makes his living & he’s the only one around, so I just accepted it without question.
At one bee club meetings, there was an older man with a teenage boy. The man had kept bees years ago, had stopped, but was taking it up again bc his grandson or great nephew, or whatever the relation was, wanted to. I asked the diff in 30 years, and he said: varroa mites.
That’s a specific example of the general problem you mention. Since Chris has been doing it continuously for 20 years, and consults with colleagues, etc when new problems arise, he’s better able to keep up on the new challenges. But yes, it’s not getting any easier.
Why would PETA say that beekeeping is animal cruelty?
I did a little clicking around & PETA seems to be against industrial beekeeping, not the kind I’m doing.
And if you see Queen of the Sun, you’d prolly agree with PETA. The scenes in the film about commercial beekeepers are chilling. They are carted around on fork lifts, loaded onto flatbeds, strapped in place and shrink wrapped so they can’t blown away on the trip. Stress galore.
I think the funny taste you mentioned earlier is a chemical taste. I never really noticed until I started buying honey from an organic honey farmer. The difference in taste is amzaing.
Also, it is neat to try the honey made from differet sources. Such as clover, alfalfa, orange and others.
I LOVED this article and thank you for taking the time to write and enter it here.
Yes, someone up above, maybe wayoutwest, mentions that pasteurization changes the chemical structure of honey, and contributes to its harsh chemical taste.
When you think of it, it’s pretty funny to pasteurize honey, which is sterile if nothing is done to it.
Shrink wrapped? OMG!
This trucking around seems like one of those obviously bad ideas that humans keep doing anyway. Sigh.
I wouldn’t like it much as a way of life, and I’m probably not as delicate as a bee….
Ummmm…pretty much everything Martha Stewart does is labor-intensive, you know! She makes it that way, even if it isn’t really necessary. LOL.
I just couldn’t resist that comment.