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Jeremy Scahill is one of the most curious, thorough and courageous journalists working anywhere today. As a writer, his book on the growth of military contractors such as Blackwater (now known as Xe Services LLC, uh – Academi), Blackwater: The Rise of the World’s Most Powerful Mercenary Army, won the George Polk Book Award. His work with Democracy Now and The Nation is highly regarded by people concerned with the continuing abuse of American imperial power in the Obama administration. Being a realist in terms of how Obama is conducting armed foreign policy has led to his being marginalized by apologists for these policies.
Scahill’s bottom line is that these policies, particularly the killing of hundreds of innocent people (if not more!) by our growing fleet of armed drone aircraft, are counter productive, and against our country’s long-term interests in many ways. His latest article for The Nation, Why is President Obama Keeping a Journalist in Prison in Yemen?, deals with aspects of that bottom line. The article is far more chilling, though, in some of its content and message. It shows quite clearly how the Obama administration’s manipulation of some of the new powers it asserts for the chief executive are beyond troublesome. The secretiveness of this administration is no secret on the real left. Not expressed in Scahill’s article, nor in Glen Greenwald’s thorough assessment of it, is what bothers me most about this administration’s growing uses of secrecy and extra-constitutional powers to go after its perceived enemies abroad – and here:
Once an American chief executive takes on new powers, his successor never backs down from that position. Not even when, as Obama clearly did in 2008, the new president has promised on the campaign trail to ratchet these powers down a notch or two.
Here’s Greenwald’s description of some of what Scahill and others have uncovered, regarding the imprisonment in Yemen of another courageous journalist, Abdulelah Haider Shaye, at the direct behest of Obama. The White House is disturbed that Shaye uncovered a major Obama lie regarding civilian deaths from drone strikes:
There is one reason that the world knows the truth about what really happened in al Majala that day: because the Yemeni journalist, Abdulelah Haider Shaye, traveled there and, as Scahill writes, “photographed the missile parts, some of them bearing the label ‘Made in the USA,’ and distributed the photos to international media outlets.” He also documented the remnants of the Tomahawks and cluster bombs, neither of which is in Yemen’s arsenal. And he provided detailed accounts proving that scores of civilians, including those 21 children, had been killed in the attacks. It was Shaye’s journalism that led Amnesty International to show the world the evidence that it was the U.S. which had perpetrated the attack using cluster bombs, and media outlets to reveal the horrifying extent of the civilian deaths. Shaye’s work was vindicated when WikiLeaks released a diplomatic cable — allegedly provided by Bradley Manning — in which Yemen’s then-President Ali Abdullah Saleh joked with David Petraeus about continuing to lie to the public: ”We’ll continue saying the bombs are ours, not yours.”
Saleh, perhaps under pressure from the White House, had Shaye imprisoned without charge, tortured and abused:
Despite that important journalism — or, more accurately, because of it — Shaye is now in prison, thanks largely to President Obama himself. For the past two years, Shaye has been arrested, beaten, and held in solitary confinement by the security forces of Saleh, America’s obedient tyrant. In January, 2011, he was convicted in a Yemeni court of terrorism-related charges — alleging that he was not a reporter covering Al Qaeda but a mouthpiece for it — in a proceeding widely condemned by human rights groups around the world. “There are strong indications that the charges against [Shaye] are trumped up and that he has been jailed solely for daring to speak out about US collaboration in a cluster munitions attack which took place in Yemen,” Philip Luther, Amnesty International’s Deputy Director for the Middle East and North Africa, told Scahill. The Yemen expert, Johnsen, added: “There is no publicly available evidence to suggest that Abdulelah was anything other than a journalist attempting to do his job.”
Shaye’s real crime is that he reported facts that the U.S. government and its Yemeni client regime wanted suppressed. But while the imprisonment of this journalist was ignored in the U.S, it became a significant controversy in Yemen. Numerous Yemeni tribal leaders, sheiks and activist groups agitated for his release, and in response, President Saleh, as the Yemeni press reported, had a pardon drawn up for him and was ready to sign it. That came to a halt when President Obama intervened. According to the White House’s own summary of Obama’s February 3, 2011, call with Saleh, “President Obama expressed concern over the release of Abd-Ilah al-Shai.” The administration has repeatedly refused to present any evidence that Shaye is anything other than a reporter, and this is what State Department spokesperson Beth Gosselin told Scahill in response to his story:
“We are standing by [President Obama’s] comments from last February. We remain concerned about Shaye’s potential release due to his association with Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. We stand by the president’s comments.” When asked whether the US government should present evidence to support its claims about Shaye’s association with AQAP, Gosselin said, “That is all we have to say about this case.”
So it is beyond dispute that the moving force behind the ongoing imprisonment of this Yemeni journalist is President Obama. And the fact that Shaye is in prison, rather than able to report, is of particular significance (and value to the U.S.) in light of the still escalating American attacks in that country. Over the past 3 days alone, American air assaults have killed 64 people in Yemen, while American media outlets — without anyone on the scene — dutifully report that those killed are “suspected Al Qaeda insurgents” and “militants.”
This White House policy is not only stupid, it is dangerously blind. And arrogant in a profoundly un-American way.
It is blind to how history works on a global scale. And, importantly, it is blind to how a possible GOP successor to this president might use these same tools of dictatorship against what he or she perceives to be a threat, foreign – or domestic. During the past few months, Obama and the U.S. Congress have undermined the Constitution in so many ways, it is hard to keep score. Just this past week, we’ve been given the anti-Occupy H.R. 347, that would make our citizens’ protests outside the White House felonies.
I’ve never voted for an incumbent president before. It doesn’t look like that will change. This really sucks, as I’ve got a feeling that the Israel Lobby will be backing whichever jerk the GOP pulls out of their hat in Tampa, and that they might be powerful enough in the 2012 scenario to be the final arbiter of who ends up winning in November.
The dilemma for me is not whether or not I will vote for Obama, but how strenuously I’ll be backing an alternative candidate, such as Dr. Jill Stein, should she get the Green Party nomination.
But – no matter what – I cannot in good conscience consider marking Obama on my ballot.
Here’s Scahill on the Alyona Show last week – America Cannot Kill Its Way to Peace:




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I am with you on this one as well.
Does it matter?
Vote for O or not?
The bus is literally speeding off the cliff. Funny how no 1%ers are on the bus. Funny that.
The whole system’s corrupt. Voting is a joke that the 1% manipulate.
It does NOT matter who we vote for, the 1% always wins. Neolib O or some other neolib will win.
We got another 5-10 years until things get so bad enough people wake up. Until then it’s dig in like an Alabama tick and wait while the whole world goes insane (already there?, well it gets worse, we ain’t seen the real austerity yet).
That being said I think each person should decide on their own. Vote for O. I don’t care. It does NOT matter. That 5-10 years does not change.
I’m working on a short play script based on the possibility of the GOP coming into WH power on January 20, 2013. The script will use only words actually spoken both by top GOP figures, but also words used by the Obama administration to justify their illegal or egregious acts.
Here is the cast:
Yikes, I got some belly laughs reading that list of charlatans.
I don’t think Obama is trying to kill his way to peace. I think he orders civilians killed as an intimidation tactic. He wants to assure unrestricted corporate access to natural resources in foreign lands, and if that means all war all the time, he’s willing to do it.
Plus, war feeds the Military and Intelligence Industrial Complex (MIIC) with a large revenue stream and that is a very good thing in his view.
Peace and democracy are mere words to sling around and provide cover for what is really going on.
And no, I won’t vote for him either because I believe he is a war criminal and he has just reconstituted the reviled Star Chamber with his assassination program.
Forgot to mention: Recommended.
ditto
he is vile i am sorry to say
way to kiss Camerons butt phoey
I’m no angel. But I won’t vote for murder and treason. And I can’t respect anybody who does.
It’s obvious that the oligarchy has chosen Obama again via the “clown car” they have gifted him with and which his enablers constantly throw at us as a threat.
I will not endorse and support anyone who signed into law the extra-judicial indefinite detention and assassination of Americans–NDAA.
A vote for Obama is a vote for murder and this time out, I am holding his supporters fully accountable because now they know it.
I know who I will vote FOR
Rocky Anderson
Because it is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.
Excellent article except for one item.
“This White House policy is not only stupid, it is dangerously blind.”
This White House and all democrats are neither stupid nor blind. There is more than enough evidence to indicate they know exactly what they are doing and it is no different from any republican.
I’m not sure whether I can accept that the hatred we’re engendering by our conduct in Yemen is being done with that result as a specific goal. Hence my call that the conduct is stupid and blind. Sometimes I’m close to agreement with you on this, though, goNPA.
great post ed*ard!
obama is working for the other camp, he is the trojan wolf in bendict clothing
we are far better off if the corporatist in office is elected as a republican, it becomes far easier defending against the rape that we cannot defend against since the man in office campaigned in a blue suit instead of red
me going to do my best to fire this guy
I knew it was too much to “hope” for that Obama would work to restore the constitutional limits of his office. Bush/Cheney stretched the last of the elastic outta those underpants.
I’m the King, My Word is Law.
F**K! I have now one more nail in the coffin. This will likely be the first time I don’t vote for a democratic presidential candidate. NDAA was waaay too much for me. and so is imprisoning journalists in Yemen. i guess the drone strikes are practice for our domestic “terrists” like environmentalists and protesters of our ever more sickening and sick government.
I’m STILL pissed he reneged on FISA, helped to cover up BP’s oil explosion in the Gulf, re-allowed deep sea drilling and gave loan guarantees for a new set of nuclear reactors in Georgia. There’s more, but I’ll stop here for everyone’s sanity.
“Jeremy Scahill is one of the most curious, thorough and courageous journalists working anywhere today.”
He ,Jeremy,is the real deal folks….he & Greenwald are American patriots of the first order.none better than ‘em two.
He reneged on FISA before he was elected and almost everybody but FDL made excuses for him while simultaneously calling those who pointed it out “racist” and other, even less fortunate names. Heck, I was reviled for deploring his campaigning for Lieberman AFTER short ride lost the primary. All that Obamania and for what? So a slick DLC type could weasel his way into the White House. It was good for business after all. If you were a trader, a banker or a member of the MIC. I never believed Obama was evil until after the election but I knew he was no progressive and is about as “liberal” as Lanny Davis, Rahm Emanuel or Mark Penn. I wish a whole lot of others had been paying attention.
The more people vote and volunteer for Jill, the stronger the alternative to the legacy parties will be!
Yep. With Obama’s “no containment” policy toward Iran, the Bush Doctrine is now the left pole of debate.
Mr. Teller,
I admire your moral clarity.
But one thing I have observed is that Presidents come and Presidents go. The one thing they leave behind is the Supreme Court.
We are teetering on the edge of losing this Court for the next generation.
Who do you want appointing the next Justice?
A D or an R? No other choice is possible.
I have kids.
I know how I’m voting, despite the fact that O is a criminal (like every other President in my lifetime, with the possible exception of Carter.)
you are under the INCORRECT opinion obama will nominate a progressive, a centrist or anyone the right wing would not be happy with
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you are SADLY mistaken
here’s the script;
“I’ll nominate this person who will make progressives, liberals and centrists happy, the right win will make a big deal, someone will find a skeleton becuase that’s the very reason I picked this chap, the nomination will fail, I will then get a pass on the next person I nominate, who will be pretty or black or young or something that will make everyone want them, but they will be to the right of alito”
there, that’s the script
forget electing the zero for scotus purposes, that’s their very plan
— you got that right. Can’t wait until he nominates the next Elena Kagan, can you?
Really?
I did not know that “opinions” could be “incorrect.”
Pardon me.
You’d rather have Romney make the next appointment?
Your fairy princess is NOT going to be the Prez.
Sorry to intrude.
Well argued diary. Recommended.
The obvious implication of this:
…is that we cannot wait for the election and depend on the promises of anyone to back down from these powers. These policies need to be opposed now, a movement organized now to back them down, and a campaign of outrage on a scale greater than that which has greeted Rush’s “slut” slurs.
This issue needs to be settled in fact before the conventions in August and not with promises but with verifiable actions.
If Obama wins or if Obama loses, the President who takes the oath of office needs to know that the public will scorch his be-hind if he does not continue to roll back the security state unleashed by George W. Bush.
Salving one’s moral conscience by not voting for Obama is far from being a sufficient response. He will in no way be punished by a few thousand folks not voting for him; did not Rahm Emmanuel deliver that lesson. Having large segments of the public dog all of the candidates about this issue everywhere they go might get it across. Electing a Congress that will repeal the underlying legislation that allows this and reassert’s Congress’s role in war and peace might work as well.
We are facing a serious problem that will not be solved in the voting booth.
And if anyone has some stronger suggestions how we can get this issue rolled back this summer, feel free to add to my weak brainstorm.
sorry, did not mean to be caustic
what I mean is I believe you will be disapointed with obama’s scotus picks if he gets any
sorry bout that caustic post
Well said, TarheelDem.
At a facebook group where I posted s link to this, one longtime friend has argued:
May I quote you on that?
Thanks.
Best wishes to EdwardTeller & Perris, I enjoy your posts and comments.
Indeed. That’s why I don’t believe in The Great Man Theory.
No president, D or R, will willingly cede the powers of the office. So the Unitary Executive survives within the national security state. Backed by Big Money.
Our problems are deeper than one election. And it is electoral, but it’s root-and-branch deep.
But, wait, wait………..Margaret, am I wrong? Aren’t you advocating a vote for Obama rather than for the degenerates/zombies running on the Right? I could be wrong, and would love to be.
In early spring 2004, I was in Italy. People were somewhat tolerant, but they hated George Bush. I was proud to be able to say that I did NOT vote for him and was working to get rid of him. Now if I were to go back to Italy, I suspect that I would have to apologize for Obama. I’m getting damned tired of apologizing for my country………..and I suspect the rest of my life will be about apologizing for what my country is doing to the rest of the world. Sad.
Agreed! After the primary and before the election, he reneged on FISA and was up on Capitol Hill beating the bushes for the bank bailout. Two big problems in my mind, added to the original problem I had with him about taking money from the nuclear operator Exelon. So I wasn’t expecting anything progressive.
But, I also wasn’t expecting evil. However, ……
That is a historical view that does not take into account the fact that the whole idea that there is such a thing in a war as a crime (other than treason) is an idea that comes some time after Thomas Paine. And does not get codified into international law until the Geneva Conventions. And that it is an evolving process in which the public has been raising the bar essentially as a result of the impact of the realities of the Holocaust (and retrospectively after World War II the genocides of Armenians by the Turks and Native Americans by a variety of Europeans). A process of evolution that has been aided by the ICRC, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch, among others.
We now have an international criminal court (US non-ratification notwithstanding) and the precedent for (former) heads of state being found guilty of war crimes and sentenced–to kind of a cushy prison by the way. That puts more pressure on the club of heads of state to protect each other (and not just in the US). The public understanding of this new institution has not caught up with its operation. In the US, neo-cons have framed it as an invasion of US sovereignty (which it is, as of any country) and ruled it unacceptable. How convenient for the Israelization of the US approach to homeland security and the foundations of the security state. The public has not caught up with the implications of this either.
So comparisons of heads of state (presidents even) are neither here not there. We are not about passing historical judgment; the conditions require that we change the context in which that history happens. Yes, Barack Obama is being held to a higher standard than previous Presidents but it is a new legal standard that has the risk of real judicial consequences (as the homebound George W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney are discovering). That will not dissipate when Barack Obama or Mitt Romney or Rick Santorum or Newt Gingrich leave office. Or Jill Stein (who might wind up taking the rap for a hostile Congress should she win).
At some point with enough public pressure and vigilance, the next guy might not be a war criminal. But it will not be because a President has relinquished power, it will be because a countervailing power — Congress, courts, states, the people — have taken it from him. To my mind, the key to that in the US is revisiting and undoing the national security structure that Harry Truman put together in 1947 and creating a more limited structure suitable for the defense of the United States in the current situation — without forward deployments, redundant intelligence activities, a homeland security state, or the pretense of humanitarian aid. Rolling back the more recent accretions are the first priority. And doing it before Holy Joe retires would be delightful.
If we were all paying attention, what would have happened differently? Hold on to that righteous anger. We all are going to need it very soon.
… and thus the terrorists win.
There are worse potential nominees and some of them are women. But Kagan, viewed form either side of the spectrum was a weak choice.
Get four years of Rick Santorum, see how you like them apples.
… and the terrorists win again.
Recommended.
It is sad when voting will make no real difference to the trajectory of the next decade, however, it is tragic when the people have not the courage to realize that the federal government of the USA knows full well that it is NOT acting in accordance with moral principle, with what is right, and what properly in accord with the WILL and the CONSENT of the people.
THAT is the definition of tyranny.
Tyranny threatens the interests of civil society, the safety and the very security of the people, and it does so through both the destruction of the Rule of Law and by the use of brute force.
Our very own history, the beginnings of this nation, arose from a remarkably similar reality …
Our government, bi-partisan, “post-partisan”, or whatever the glib and manipulative might call it, has chosen, with actions like HR 347, to trash the first amendment’s clear assertion of the right of the people to peacefully assemble (there is neither a time or a “space” limit upon that “assembly”) to petition the government for redress of grievance.
For those who are unfamiliar with the written enumeration of that inalienable right:
“Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the exercise thereof; or of abridging the right of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people to peacefully assemble. and to petition the government for redress of grievances.”
The above is the first amendment to the Constitution, it is call “Article I”, the very FIRST article of the Bill of Rights.
To pretend, to seek to convince others that ANY choice for the President … made from either “end” of the corporate, military, suppression machine … is better, or more likely to roll-back or abolish the power which the unitary presidency now represents … is, at the very least, misguided and, if prolonged, truly pathetic, it is to submit, to kowtow, to the violent and intentional overthrow of reason, tolerance, and understanding, it is to consign not merely the present generation, but all generations which follow, to the path of certain the destruction of the protections of the Constitution, to the continuing degradation of the human environment, the very capacity of this planet to support and sustain human life. It is to embrace endless warfare, elite deceit, and the Divine Right of Money. It is to ensure that the abuse of “the people”, both in this society, and those human societies around the world will continue and accelerate … it is to guarantee … bu$ine$$ as …u$ual.
To vote for EITHER Democrat or Republican candidates for the highest office in the land or, generally, if we are fully honest, for any lesser office, in the Congress of the United States of America, is to bind ourselves to continuing assault upon the very notion of humanity, of fundamental decency and of honest “representation” … it is to uphold the very thing which seeks to destroy the foundational principles upon which civilization MUST depend, which is, simply, TRUST. Trust among individuals, trust among societies, and trust among among nations.
When the Rule of Law is destroyed, then trust has no basis upon which to be built.
NO doubt, these black and white squiggles, which I have just made, will upset some and outrage others … so be it. For it is far better that words be bandied around, that thoughts be shared, than than blows be traded and, if the ante is upped, “sufficiently”, that blood should be spilled … which is the very “means” practiced by our current Machiavellian Masters, who would enslave each and everyone of us, and in fact, if we see no “choice” but to “vote” for them, once again, and then again, they have already succeeded in doing so.
My apologies, ET, for the rant.
Please.
Carry on, everyone … for the only thing which is at stake is the future, and whatever small things we, each and together, may have invested in it, including as the much-praised, though very flawed (aren’t we all?)Founding Fathers once mentioned, our sacred “honor” …
And such quality as you children’s and their children’s lives may have remaining in them …
Even those who do not have children, some who wish that they did and others who are glad that they do not … might, nonetheless have a care for posterity … especially should that posterity be in a position of wondering what we were “thinking” … if they are not, outright, cursing us for being moral cowards … or worse.
Once upon a time, I wondered, “How could the German people stand, so idly, by … and allow their nation to become a threat to reason, to conscience, and to humanity?” … I no longer wonder. For “we” are “there” …
Thank you, all of you, for the loan of your synapses …
DW
The Pedal is to the Metal, and that isn’t going to change much because of who gets chosen to occupy the WH this year.
We do not get the candidate, as portrayed by his or her campaign representations, in the end we get the corporatist stooge.
By choosing to ordain Obama, the MOTU painted us into a corner.
You see what I see, all the rest is whistling past the graveyard.
Say what? “continue to roll back?”
“scorch his behind?”
The presididn’t has only rolled FORWARD.
A vote FOR him, is a PAT ON THE BACK,
NOT in any way, any kind of “scorching.”
The supreme court is ALREADY lost.
Weak-minded excuses and weak-willed concessions to “I must do this because I have no other choice,” will never deliver us from this evil.
The vote doesn’t matter, it’s rigged anyway, but Jesus H. Fucking Christ please stop kissing the hand of the motherfucker who is abusing you.
In regards to # 37- David Seaton
Did any of you hear some mooing from the Veal Pen? The cattle are getting nervous and restless.
To DWBartoo, Watt4Bob and the rest.
Hell no. Any and all acts of resistance is needed. We can sit here on a blog and f*ing complain. OR we could find the candidate that we like, Roseanne Barr, Jill Stein, Rocky Anderson or what ever Socialist Party candidate we like and do something. Help them. There is a pretty blatant attempt to make these people invisible. Did you all realize that firedoglake is the ONLY “progressive” blog that even allows or has articles about Rocky or Jill or any of the rest? Seriously.
Obviously not only that as these campaigns are simply organizing and educational in nature. But they are something.
I am done with cursing the darkness, which is what the Clown Car Circus or mild critiques of Obama is about. I am about lighting a candle. That one small flame will help illuminate and may spread into a wider fire of rebellion.
God Willing
Yes, Michael, we are done cursing the darkness … however, I suggest that what we face will NOT be altered, simply by voting, even for those candidates whom you mention, as I suspect MANY of us will vote for one of those listed …
We are at the most serious crossroads which this nation and society has, which “the people” have EVER faced, including the period when this nation was at war with itself over the damnable “institution” of slavery (which was more about whether the North or the South would dictate the “nature” of the political economy than the plight of those who were enslaved, truth being truth, after all).
Voting alternatives is NOT “resistance” … it is action, yes, but more polite and likely futile, initially, than anything else, it being but the “beginning” of coherent struggle.
It is the “long haul” which we must face, honestly and squarely, head-on.
It is informing others of the truth of things and the serious and, probably, difficult construction of MANY means of mutual support …
It is, ultimately, about real confrontation, not protests or petitions, although those things MUST come first and be built upon.
I do not say this because I am pessimistic, but because I am convinced that the nobility of the true human spirit WILL rise and WILL insist, whatever the bloody cost, upon a better, a more sane, and more human world.
When those candidates you mention dare stand up an say, out loud, such things as that … then, and only then, will they have the real chance to follow the lead of the genuine needs and the true aspirations … of the people.
Namaste
DW
Obama’s official policy is that his people could gun me down in the street and nobody could do anything about it.
That’s . . . not really worthy of my vote.
I am posting before reading the comments, Edward, but thank you. Recommend.
I am hoping that there will be a very organized vote check this time around so we can really see what is actually happening. The turn out for the alternative to the big two will be enormous if we can do that. I think this is why all sorts of barriers to voting are suddenly coming into play (I heard someone suggesting verification of citizenship as a legitimate hurdle.)
Occupy the vote will be important, a physical presence of fact checkers at every precinct. Citizens who have not been able to vote due to the barriers in place could be recorded then as well, making it worthwhile for them to show up at the voting places. For this reason I would avoid absentee voting, which can’t be verified, but instead go to our given voting precincts and put ourselves on the record.
We saw the discrepancies with exit polls starting in 2000 when previously they had been very accurate in describing the outcome. If that is to be the case this time around, the exit polling needs more accountability, not less. Then the people will really be aware of what is happening, and more united than we have been in the past. And if that is resisted by the POB, it will be obvious to all.
I volunteer to do exit polling in my little community. Only a few hundred people, but it’s a start.
Outstanding rant.
Did I not say that this had to be done before the election and especially before the conventions? Not promises but actual legislation and implementation.
You have a problem with a broken system of government, not a broken President.
Was bist du für eine Deutsche? Liebst du nicht dein Vaterland?
I have a problem with both and the boot-licking that is the act of clicking an icon with his name on it.
Congress can limit that policy — if it would. Now. Way before the election. And it would apply to future presidents as well.
WTF are you talking about?
Michael, I have no argument with what you say, and I’m not giving up, I just think we’re facing a long period where the work to be done is on the bottom of the ballot.
We’re going to have to focus on the local and state level, and work our way back up the ballot towards the national.
You and I and our friends here at FDL will never convince the MSM to stop helping marginalize those presidential candidates who stand outside the two parties until we the people show them we can marginalize the two parties at the local level.
The fact that I agree not to vote for Obama does not mean I won’t vote for anyone, and it sure doesn’t mean I’m not voting the rest of the ballot.
I don’t remember saying anything against considering Roseanne Barr, Jill Stein, Rocky Anderson, or you for that matter, in fact I told you long ago that I might be convinced to vote for you for Senate.
If you want to convince me of something, why not keep working on that.
Sorry, touching a screen owned by Diebold with his name on it. The presididn’t isn’t broken, by the way, he’s probably the most efficient instrument of corporatism this country has ever seen.
Take your points, Tarheel. We certainly don’t go into hibernation, and there is a lot of this kind of discussion and other educational events which should and will be going on.
The ship will further sink, like the heavy dead branch my little pruning saw attacks, of its own weight. That makes our task not harder, but doable. Just as the rising price of oil makes really clean energy a practical alternative.
[Just had a huge laugh at ET's tag "Executive Branch" given my comment. Small things amuse small minds I guess.] :)
Question: Have any of the alternative candidates, like Jill Stein or Rocky Anderson, said they will ‘look backward’ and have a DOJ that will prosecute war crimes, including, if need be, ex-presidents?
Voting for someone who has not commited war crimes is not participating in The Great Man Theory. Voting is an expression of popular will, needing to be shored up in this day and age but an important thing when overwhelmingly participated in. I don’t understand the idea which has been expressed here that it isn’t what matters; it is. Including who is elected on local and congressional fronts. I take Edward’s point that every president is potentially a war criminal, but when they actually are we have to get them out of office if we can. How do we do that except by voting?
I apologize for being so strident. I wasn’t trying to attack you, although re-reading what I wrote, I sure sound that way.
I have tried very hard to recommend this post. The site is not letting me do it.
Recommended!
That fact is what from a citizen’s viewpoint is “broken”.
We’re backward here. We still connect the arrow.
The pointy part is the end that hurts.
Voting is important, especially at the local level, where American politics can be rebuilt from the bottom up. (Including other factors, like getting Big Money out of the process.)
But remember the wave of enthusiasm behind Obama’s election? Change you can believe in? And so on? It’s a Bushian Groundhog Day. And the government seems to ignore the democratic will of the people, along with the Constitution.
Hard to believe the election of one person can change all that much, given the institutional structure. We have a Unitary Executive within a national security state. Meet the new boss….
Hey, it’s easy to be strident in these times. Very easy.
Hold on to that righteous anger. It’s going to be needed very soon. Just my intuition of what is going on at the grassroots.
” To my mind, the key to that in the US is revisiting and undoing the national security structure that Harry Truman put together in 1947 and creating a more limited structure suitable for the defense of the United States in the current situation — without forward deployments, redundant intelligence activities, a homeland security state, or the pretense of humanitarian aid.
Beautifully said, Tarheel. This, to me is what it means for a president to assume the important role of Commander in Chief. The president, not anyone else. So I disagree that electing the right person for this position is not important. It was as Commander in Chief that Obama set the stage for his imperialism in my opinion. I didn’t pay enough attention to the hints he would do this; he had built his resume on community action, remember? A totally phony resume. I think that is unprecedented.
Only if they get honestly counted. Here. So far. So good.
There are a number of downticket incumbents who are likely to feel the point of that arrow here this year.
Obama has the title Commander-in-Chief. But he has had to earn (not sure that he has) the acknowledgement of the military that he is indeed the Commander-in-Chief. In the process, most of the time he has deferred to his Defense Secretary and the Chair of the Joint Chiefs. The exceptions are: the placing of a timeline for results in Afghanistan, the completion of the withdrawal from Iraq on schedule despite the wishes of many in the military, the cashiering of Gen. McChrystal for insubordination. He has been growing into the role of Commander-in-Chief and has more of a free hand now than in January 2009. Leaders depend on the obedience of their followers; that is not quite as guaranteed at the highest levels as it is with first line managers. Finding replacement chairs of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is a limited pool of people, some of whom might say no under certain conditions.
What we really need to do is get the AUMF repealed and significant rollback of the PATRIOT ACT. What is very curious in that regard is the silence of the Tea Party in response to the NDAA and the justification for assassinating American citizens. I would have thought they would be hollering “tyranny” and marching in the streets, especially in response to this President.
DW, I beg to politely (and you know I am polite with you always) disagree. I have my eyes fully open on the daunting task ahead, and if I do so do many others whose political brain is nothing if not fuzzy facing what savvy folk are saying. The barriers to active participation in democracy are huge, but they are like the Japanese sea walls – they cannot survive a tsunami. It seems to me we can particpate in a vote tsunami because we did it last time and the time before. It is a matter of education, and we are educable, we the common lot. We THOUGHT we were voting for a genuine candidate, and now we KNOW that it was all orchestrated.
We are the people who came out in huge numbers in New York City to support OWS against their eviction; those thousands were our representatives – they did that. It wasn’t something the PTB wanted or orchestrated like Obama’s election. It was us. And it was us when in 2010 the vote shriveled. That too was us.
We have not gone away. There are more of us now. This vote will matter.
Just keep it simple. The way forward is to exercise the power of “NO.” Vote 3rd Party. You will not be wasting your vote. If you are voting for either of the corrupt legacy parties you are indeed wasting your vote.
You know how the vote shriveled in 2010. That was the tsunami wave drawing BACK as they do before they strike. We are that wave!
Amen! Without the rule of law, we have nothing. Just an appearance of a cloak over the nothing.
“But remember the wave of enthusiasm behind Obama’s election? Change you can believe in? And so on? It’s a Bushian Groundhog Day. And the government seems to ignore the democratic will of the people, along with the Constitution.”
Everyone remembers that, sfmikey – that’s my point. Everyone remembers. It’s the flaw in the Shock Doctrine, remember? People remember. (Sorry, overuse of that word.)
It’s gonna be different this time around, even though the media will pretend that it isn’t. Even an amoeba learns from its mistakes. (I think :) )
I submit that the status of commander in chief with respect to the army is broken. Obama has broken it. It is a living thing, this relationship, one to be proud of, having a civilian in charge. I think the military is in agony as it relives Vietnam and worse. So, it’s not a static or increasingly imperialistic progression and is being affected as we type by the situation in Afghanistan and things we don’t know about. It isn’t going to be an ever downward spiral into extreme militarism. The militarists are not suceeding.
This is a perfect time to promote the remedies you suggest. If not now, when? Awful things are occurring with the status quo. We need all the remedies, not just fixing the big toe on the ground but the head in the air as well. We can walk and chew gum, and we must.
Thanks for all the comments overnight. Still morning here in Alaska.
I’ll be campaigning and donating to local candidates this year, and to organizations like Occupy Supply. Most of the candidates I’ll be contributing to locally or statewide will be Democrats. My State House and Senate districts just got redistricted so RED that the possibility of a non-fundamentalist non-Republican getting either of the seats is about one in 500.
The vote WILL matter, because, juliania, if it is honestly counted, we may then have a “PICTURE” of what the people understand, of how many realize exactly how serious IS our common plight.
I fully expect the results to “confirm” the entrenched powers, be it D or be it R … I also HOPE that there shall be sufficient evidence to encourage those who have sought meaningful alternatives … to continue on, to seek to build ground-up support among the many.
However, to imagine that voting, alone, when far greater efforts than that will, which shall also be made obvious, be revealed as necessary, is probably the most important lesson that this election might possibly teach.
Democracy is NOT simply voting, it is participating … in making the life and death decisions which affect each and every one of us, even as regards voting, democracy is, or properly should be, the process of determining who should become candidates, not merely meekly accepting those vetted by power and influence. Consider how few among us are willing to run for public office?
Beyond Michael Cavlan, who, at FDL has tossed a hat into the ring?
The answers to that question is part of what we must address.
Some may still “believe” that this political AND its joined-at-the-hip “economic” system can be “saved” … I say, “More power to them!”, yet remain not merely skeptical but fully convinced, after more than half a century of observing, rather closely, the perversions which money has made of everything, that what IS, is so perverted that it cannot and should not be allowed to endure. Greed, which this nation was instructed to embrace as good … has allowed the Masters and their servants, the political class, which includes the media, to do VERY WELL indeed … and, to be brutally honest, that bought and paid for political class, controls all the advantages of power and influence and the means to control EVERY single “change” that honest society requires is filtered through the powers of that political class. That is why electoral campaign laws will not change, that is why the controls upon Wall Street were lifted, and why the “$ettlement” is not merely pathetic, but its weak and petty restriction will die, will wither away, regardless of the needs of the people, of the continuing cost and impoverishment of the people, in 2015 …
I was not making an idle speculation when I said that this nation was born, and the great and important documents its birthing created, for ALL of us … precisely from and of the sort of “predicament” which we, the people, now face.
Neither was I playing with words, for mere effect, or displaying a miffed and ignorant annoyance, when I used the term “tyranny” to describe what this nation’s “government”, all THREE of its branches, in collusion with the Nasty Masters of Money has now become.
Nor do I engage in playful banter when suggesting that this time presents the most profound test this people, their society and their nation, for those two things BELONG to the people, have ever faced; the endless wars, engaged and pursued without either just cause or proper authorization, the assault upon the First Amendment, and the Constitution generally, the “due process” therein described in very specific and exacting detail, and the intentional and deliberate destruction of the Rule of Law.
These are, and they should be, the times that try humankind’s soul and such times require the absolute best that we may, together, manage to venture, to rise to, and the make manifest.
Yes, this election will matter. However, what the people understand and CHOOSE to do, henceforth, will matter much, much more.
That is my consideration, whatever worth you may, juliania, find of value in it, and I say that holding you and your wise and thoughtful perspectives in the highest regard, as I hope that you already may know.
I am convinced that very hard and dangerous times lay ahead, and that we must, all, create, between and among ourselves, the most wise and considered shared understanding and mutual courage as we are capable of doing.
I think we are in both hostile and very new “territory” as we seek a world more in keeping with justice, freedom, and individual responsibility … and the realization of every one’s full potential as sentient beings.
DW
Sex Education Secretary … Newt Gingrich !
There is a lot of time between now and the GE.
Support Occupy and create real change !
I am with you Edward. Cannot in good conscience vote for Obama. I will vote for Jill Stein, or if she’s not on ballot, then Rocky Anderson.
Well argued.
Wow. DW, you are on a tear. A very good one. What DW says.
Because I’m totally fed up with lame excuses for keeping this monster in power, I’m just going to be rude and say, anyone who uses the Supreme Court as the excuse is just a gullible fool, and a tad suicidal to boot. You might do your homework and look into Elena Kagan, for just one example of the great work our “president” is doing in advancing the fascist agenda in his court appointments.
On every possible occasion, when he’s had the chance to do the right thing, he’s done the completely wrong thing. He has proved himself to have no conscience whatsoever and to be nothing but a doormat for the most vile and evil forces. He seems to spend 24/7 looking for right-wing butt to kiss, calling it “bipartisanship” (WINK WINK) in between waiting for phone calls instructing him as to what corporate 1% greed-head asshole he can appoint to yet another government position to screw us over.
WHY would you possibly trust him with picking “good” SC court justices? You STILL haven’t noticed that “democrats” and “republicans” are playing on the same team? Your vote for a lawless, lying, duplicitous war criminal who’s done more to advance fascism in this country than anything Bush or Cheney could have dreamed possible will come back to bite you in the butt, and it does not go unnoticed. I’ll have you to thank for putting that TRAITOR, the lying war-monger and psychopath, back in office because of you mindlessly buy the propaganda, the propaganda with no substance in reality whatsoever, that Obama is somehow “better.”
As for me, I’m off to contribute to Jill Stein’s campaign — I believe today’s the deadline for federal matching funds — I will not have a vote for national suicide and international mass murder and mayhem on my conscience.
aww, scared are ya?
and so the sheep run in the direction they’re herded, right on cue.
there is also active discussion of “third-party alternatives” at oldelemtree.com, where hatred of Obama that developed as a result of his own treachery and lies is unanimous.