Harvard Professor of International Affairs, Stephen M. Walt, observed in an essay today at his Foreign Policy blog niche:
You might read Isabel Kershner’s New York Times piece on the eviction of an Israeli settler family from an illegal outpost in Hebron. The kicker, of course, is that the removal of one settler family was accompanied by an announcement that the Netanyahu government had authorized construction of 800 new homes in Har Homa and Givat Zeev, and intended “to seek the necessary permits to retroactively legalize three other West Bank settler outposts that went up without authorization.” And lest you be confused about the Netanyahu government’s intentions, here’s what Netanyahu himself had to say about it (my emphasis):
“The principle that has guided me is to strengthen Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria. Today, I instructed that the status of three communities — Bruchim, Sansana, and Rechalim — be provided for. I also asked Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein to see to it that the Ulpana hill in Beit El not be evacuated. This is the principle that has guided us. We are strengthening Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria and we are strengthening the Jewish community in Hebron, the City of the Patriarchs. But there is one principle that we uphold. We do everything according to the law and we will continue to do so.”
So Netanyahu’s aim is clear: keeping control of the West Bank forever. And the reference to “doing everything according to the law” is revealing, because “law” here means the law of the occupation, which is the same law that has allowed a half a million Israelis to move onto the territories conquered in 1967 over the past forty years.
International law and international consensus on the Occupied Territories of the West Bank are clear on the subject (Wikipedia footnotes retained):
Since 1979 the United Nations Security Council,[68] the United Nations General Assembly,[69] the United States,[70] the EU,[71] the International Court of Justice,[72] and the International Committee of the Red Cross[73] refer to the West Bank as Palestinian territory occupied by Israel. General Assembly resolution 58/292 (17 May 2004) affirmed that the Palestinian people have the right to sovereignty over the area.[74]
Supporters of the Israeli right[who?] have argued that since the area has never in modern times been an independent state, there is no legitimate claimant to the area other than the present occupier, Israel. This argument however is not accepted by the international community and international lawmaking bodies, virtually all of whom regard Israel’s activities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip as an occupation that denies the fundamental principle of self-determination found in the Article One of the United Nations Charter, and in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rightsand the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. Further, UN Security Council Resolution 242 notes the “inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war” regardless of whether the war in which the territory was acquired was offensive or defensive. Prominent Israeli human rights organizations such as B’tselem also refer to the Israeli control of the West Bank and Gaza Strip as an occupation.[75] John Quigleyhas noted that “…a state that uses force in self-defense may not retain territory it takes while repelling an attack. If Israel had acted in self-defense, that would not justify its retention of the Gaza Strip and West Bank. Under the UN Charter there can lawfully be no territorial gains from war, even by a state acting in self-defense. The response of other states to Israel’s occupation shows a virtually unanimous opinion that even if Israel’s action were defensive, its retention of the West Bank and Gaza Strip was not.”[76]
International law (Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention) prohibits “transfers of the population of an occupying power to occupied territories”, incurring a responsibility on the part of Israel’s government to not settle Israeli citizens in the West Bank.[77]
Some countries, including Brazil,[78] El Salvador,[79] and Argentina,[80] recognize the State of Palestine and consider the West Bank to be territory of that state.
Clearly, the Israeli government intends to continue to support expansion of the illegal settlements. At the same time, the Israeli military administration consistently pursues destruction and degradation of Palestinian farms, water resources, outlying communities and infrastructure in most parts of the West Bank. When looked at overall, Israeli policies are solidly in the realm of the definition of apartheid: ”any system or practice that separates people according to race, caste, etc.”
In the USA, AIPAC, J Street and even Norman Finkelstein stand by their belief in the viability of the so-called “two-state solution.” When asked to define what that might represent in physical terms, J Street’s Jeremy Ben Ami, here at a firedoglake Book Salon, uttered the predictable definition or non-definition of what that might be:
The Palestinian people (in Gaza and the West Bank) need their freedom and independence – and the Israeli people within their borders need security. So we believe that Israel should immediately move toward a two-state solution that grants real freedom to the Palestinian people.
I have come to believe a two-state solution is unachievable. Ever. I am tired of hearing platitudes and dissimulation, when people attempt to describe what a potential rump Palestinian State, or collections of Bantustans surrounded by hedgehog Judean and Samarian hilltop clusters would be.
When I show up at events hosted by professional Zionists, Israeli consular officials or their like, if I ask to be shown the ultimate map, there is none.
What do you think?




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I think Ray McGovern’s article at Common Dreams today sums up the international law angle of the U.S.:
[Regarding the Freedom Flotilla] “They came back with an independent report from a different source – close to Hillary Clinton rather than the White House – with exactly the same result of which Ray was warned. … Fatalities would be ‘not a problem’ for Obama.”
The better question is “Is a one-state solution achieveable?” That seems to me to be the bigger delusion, one that involves either a permanent apartheid state or ethnic cleansing (which has been going on btw).
It’s Bibi’s dream that is finally unachievable. And eventually the Israeli government will bankrupt itself trying to achieve it.
No. As long as the goal for Israel is a purely Jewish state, Palestinians in Israel will always be second class citizens while in a hypothetical Palestine, they will constantly live under the threat of Israeli invasion and seizure of their land and homes. Let’s face it, history is against the possibility of voluntary Israeli compliance with international law. In fact, it’s not even history as it’s ongoing. This is why officially recognized and state sanctioned religion is so counterproductive and dangerous.
Interesting that a “Support Israel” ad accompanied your diary.
Walt is essentially saying the writing is on the wall. AIPAC has supported the right wing Likud position, Ben Gurion’s Greater Israel dream, for at least the past 20 years. Similarly, Likud under Netanyahu, has been against the two state solution, the Oslo land for peace formula, since 1996 if not earlier. As Netanyahu put it back then, defying Oslo: “no more land for peace; peace for peace.” Netanyahu’s recent claim that he is now for two states is a mere bone thrown to pacify Obama. His actions speak for themselves. In fact, the quest for the Greater Israel did not begin with him. It was already evident when Likud was under PM Shamir, who agreed to peace negotiations, but then acknowledted behind the scenes: “I’ll have then in negotiations for ten years. In the meantime, we will add a half million settlers to Judea and Samaria (not exact).” Finally, when Livni was FM under the recent Kadima administration, she admitted in a meeting that the colonization of the territories was the policy of every Israeli government (Wikileaks). This admission was supported by the almost continuous settling of the West Bank and East Jerusalem since 1967 (momentarily stalled during Rabin’s administration), when Shimon Peres led Israel as a Labor PM in the late 1960s.
There are over 200 so-called legal and illegal settlements today in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, being enlarged every day.
The answer to your question, Edward, is therefore obvious.
I agree with this guy that the two-state train has left the station.
Americans for Peace Now has an iPhone app that shows in real time the ever expanding network of Jewish settlements on the West Bank: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/apn-facts-on-ground-map-project/id385800990?mt=8
I think the 2 State Solution is, and always has been, a farce on the Israeli side. Its deliberate and constant settlement expansion has succeeded in making 2 states completely impossible.
Israel does not have the will to physically remove between 200k-500k heavily armed fanatical settlers who have vowed never to leave. Many of these Zio-fanatics now serve in the IDF. It would be a very bloody civil war, if any Israeli leader even alluded to removing them, and it will NEVER happen.
The U.S. knows it is over, and they are just paying lip service to it. Because they know that once the world consensus is 2 proclaim the 2-State Solution to be dead, the conversation will then pivot ENTIRELY to ending apartheid, and giving Palestinians the right to vote as Israeli citizens.
And that is a conversation that timid U.S. politicians don’t want to have. So they keep the fiction alive, and keep insisting the 2 State solution is still possible.
No. Moreover I don’t know why having wasted your time posing the question you expect others to waste their time answering it. The answer to your question, Philip, as Shergald points out above is obvious.
mfi
I agree with ya’ll that the 2-State Solution has indeed left the station and it ain’t coming back…! 8-(
The Palestinians, Bedouins, Christians, Baha’is, etc., will be forever persecuted under the Jewish ‘Democratic’ State…! *gah*
— hopefully, making fdl a ton of $$$
At least I was able to pose the question here. Remember when we could not?
— I’ll be writing about that here for Saturday Art, in an essay on Günter Grass’ new poem.
A bit ironic isn’t it? You couldn’t talk about I/P ANYWHERE in the U.S. for decades, without being branded antisemitic. And now that it is finally too late to do anything about it, everyone is now free to talk about it.
The Israel Lobby sort of won, in that respect, didn’t they? They (and their hasbarists) managed to control the narrative, and muzzle all discussion while the ethnic cleansing was quietly underway, until they managed to reach a point of no-return.
You should read b’s take on Grass’ new poem, ET…
The Guardian Is Misleading With Its Translation of Grass…
I’ll be sure to check out you post. I read his poem, after having read Jeffrey Goldberg and other usual individuals vilify it, and did not see why it was so controversial.
“Germans aren’t the only people constrained by the Holocaust from condemning Israeli policies that deserve condemnation. Jews are too – especially when the Israeli/American Jewish establishment decrees that to do so is to side with anti-Semites. Well, screw them – Gunter Grass told the truth, he was brave in telling it, he was brave in admitting that he’d been drafted into the Waffen SS as a teenager, and by speaking out against an Israeli attack on Iran, he’s doing this country a great service at some personal cost while most Israelis and American Jews are safely following the herd behind Bibi over the cliff.
Yeah, really, enough silence.” –Larry Derfner, former writer for The Jerusalem Post
http://972mag.com/author/larryd/
“Post-Oslo or pre-Oslo, civilian targets or military targets, jihadist or nationalist, it makes no difference – in our eyes, the Palestinians have no right to lift a finger against our control of their lives and land. And if they do, we have the absolute right to do whatever’s necessary to stop them, from Operation Cast Lead to targeted assassinations to barring the import of macaroni.
We are the conquerors, they are the conquered – this is the true Israeli narrative.”–Larry Derfner
It’s already one state; the West Bank and Gaza are simply Bantustans. So the real question is “Is a solution achieveable?” IMHO, not until the Jewish population gives up their dreams of an ethnocracy.
So much gets solved by a 1-State Solution. Consider the biggest obstacles to 2-State Solution: 1) East Jerusalem 2) half-a-million settlers in W. Bank 3) Right-of-Return 4) Water rights
With 1-State Solution all these get solved. Settlers can stay put, Palestinians can return to their rightful homes & those whose homes have been bulldozed can receive compensation. One big country of people of all religions/ethnicities living in complete equality.
Only problem that remains w/ 1-State Solution (as opposed to all the unsolvable problems listed above) is Zionists’ “necessity” for a Jewish majority. If they could just relinquish this one bigoted priority, these two people could begin to heal and to share the country as one people.
Fully agreed.
One step beyond this is there is NO solution as you say. The eventual full extermination of the Palistineans seems inevitable.
Only large scale violence and support for this from outside Israel can stop it . . . and I don’t see that happening soon.
It’s genocide, and the world permits it.
Should Israel attack Iran and light up the mideast, however, all bets are off . . . the map lines will change dramatically and rapidly.
Worldwide there are estimated to be about 11,000,000 Palestinian people, of whom 3.76 million live in the occupied territories, 2.7 million live in Jordan, 1 million + live in Israel, and the rest live in the worldwide diaspora, including 250,000 in the USA.
They are as inextinguishable as any other population on the planet that large.
Worldwide, Wikipedia sets the Jewish population as 13.5 million. It is probably closer to 17 million.
If you use Wikipedia’s numbers, there are as many Jews and Palestinians worldwide – the majority of whom live outside of Palestine/Israel – as there are people in Texas.
I’ll narrow down and suggest then, the genocide at hand is all local and for the benefit of Israeli expansion, as it was in the beginning in ’48.
If not genocide, it’s at least high volume numbers of murders of Palistinean’s by Israeli’s for expansionist purposes.
That work for ya?
;-)
As an add on, ET, I guess the example of the settlement of the US and its eradication of native populations is about the same thing.
It may not be extermination, but it sure as shit was eradication.
Like the I/P sitch.
;-)
I guess I crossed lines by saying extermination, you literalist you.
;-)
I live in Alaska. I’ve traveled widely here over almost 40 years. My wife works in small, mostly Native villages, mentoring young teachers. She sleeps on cots in school nurse offices, or in uninsulated shacks. She has it better than most residents of these communities.
We’ve seen languages disappear, populations of tribes dwindle to almost nothing. We’ve seen tribes grow and prosper. Soon, as the seas rise up, thousands living along a long, long fragile coast, will have to be relocated.
Right-wing Republicans have the hand on the relocation throttle.
What do I think?
I think the Leaders of Israel are misbegotten. I think the Leaders of Israel are sociopaths spawned by the Horrors and weaned on Bloodlust.
I think the final solution will be the extermination of the Palestinian people because their land is coveted.
Everything else is PR until the last undocumented death of the last Palestinian.
We are a broken species of mammals on this planet.
To what effect Philip?
mfi
He’s trying to make it possible for Americans to have honest and open discussions concerning Israel without fear of social or even career repercussions.
The problem is that the hasbara machine has been around a long time and is very well financed: Sheldon Adelson, the worldwide casino chain owner with a net worth of well over $20 billion (that’s billion, not million), has more than enough cash from his Las Vegas and Macao properties to prop up both Bibi Netanyahu in Israel and Newt Gingrich in the US. (Ironically, there will never be an Adelson casino in Israel as the religious authorities there have forbade it.) And Adelson’s just one of hasbara’s many supporters.
The infuriating thing is that the right-wing Israelis and the Evangelicals in this country use the Bible as historical fact and as the basis for their claim that the land in Palestine *belongs* to the Jewish people.
Most of the detail about personages in the Old Testament are myths or, at least, gross exaggerations of what may have happened 3000 years ago.
This is all beside the fact that “God” is the biggest fiction.
Yes, I believe the world would be a much more humane and compassionate place if there were no religions.
Because logic, rationale, and reason gets left at the door of organized religion. People who are otherwise smart, insightful, and caring individuals begin to defend the indefensible when it comes to their religious imperatives.
Jeffrey Goldberg is a Netanyahu spokesman. Not worth listening to.
Jeffrey Goldberg is a Netanyahu spokesman. Not worth listening to.
Yes. One always had to stress & emphasize that one was “anti-Zionist,” which was NOT the same as anti-Semitic. But the PTB – both in Israel & in the USA (and elsewhere) – made it beyond difficult to discuss the Israeli oppression of Palestine without being labeled as an anti-Semitic.
It DID get the point, where it was next to impossible to discuss this AT ALL except with certain selected friends and acquaintances who knew everyone well and were “on the same page.”
It’s been something that I’ve been “discussing” since the late 1960s, but as indicated, it’s only been very *recently* that it’s become more acceptable to really talk about the situation for what it is: the intentional genocide and diaspora of the Palestinians.
As someone else posted, unfortunately the Bible has been used by Jews & Christians alike to *justify* the horrible treatment of those “dirty Muslims” called Palestinians.
We could all go on: 9/11, the various ME conflicts, the whole Obama-is-a-Muslim angle do the Southern Strategy, yadda yadda. Demonizing Muslims has long been the angle of lots of the 1% bc it gets them what they want: lotsa of money, honey. The end.
The rest of us are being played for chumps by the PTB with this ginned up situation. Very sad, but as you say: at least it can now be discussed more fully “in polite company.”
It’s a step, but possibly too late. Time will tell.
It’s all a remake after Gilgamesh
*Every* story in the Bible is based on myths and histories from other cultures.
Egypt is mentioned hundreds of times in the Bible, but the Egyptians, who kept meticulous historical records, mentions Israel ONCE.
Great snark. As several have pointed out directly, the likudniks will not stop until every Palestinian is either killed or driven out of the area. Don’t expect the zionists to stop then, either. They will need a little bit more of Lebanon and Syria for “defensive” purposes, just as israel holds the Golan Heights and they want to get rid of Hezbollah.
no never