I. As the civilian death toll in Gaza mushroomed Sunday, the son of long comatose Ariel Sharon invoked mushroom clouds, in a stark metaphor of eliminationism toward the people of Gaza:
The son of former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has called on Israel to escalate its current military assault and “flatten all of Gaza”.
In an inflammatory op-ed article for The Jerusalem Post, Gilad Sharon dismisses any concern over the deaths of innocent Palestinian civilians as a result.
“The residents of Gaza are not innocent, they elected Hamas,” he writes.
“We need to flatten entire neighbourhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too.”
Sharon was far from alone. A line was crossed Saturday when Deputy Defense Minister Matan Vilnai called for a Holocaust against Palestinians:
Palestinian activists routinely claim to be suffering a “shoah” at the hands of Israel, but the Jewish state normally denies any moral equivalence between the suffering of Palestinians today and European jewry under the Nazis.
Matan Vilnai, deputy defence minister, broke that taboo when he used the term “shoah” during interview on Army Radio.
“The more qassam fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, they (the Palestinians) will bring upon themselves a bigger shoah because we will use all our might to defend ourselves,” he said.
His use of the term reflects the febrile atmosphere in Israel where public opinion demands the government does something decisive to stop the daily barrage of rockets fired from Gaza over the border into Israel.
The Telegraph article was incorrect in its claim of “a daily barrage of rockets fired from Gaza.” That is certainly the case now, but there have been many extremely long lulls and cessations in the most often innocuous and ineffectual rocket launchings or barrages. Indeed, the Israelis have killed more Palestinian kids this week than Palestinian rockets have claimed over all the years among all Israelis, let alone innocent children.
Minister Vilnai wasn’t the only government spokesperson to vilify human life itself this weekend in public comments. Interior Minister Eli Yishai earnestly advocated genocidal war crimes against Gazans:
7:55 P.M. Interior Minister Eli Yishai on Israel’s operation in Gaza: “The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages. Only then will Israel be calm for forty years.”
Phil Weiss and Alison Deger, in Israel covering the war for the American blog, Mondoweiss, observed aspects of this despicable racism in a post early Saturday:
And shockingly, several Jewish Israelis I spoke to called for genocide in Gaza. “Kill them all,” said Chen, 23, in Ashkelon.
…..
Several people offered genocidal statements unprompted. What is the solution to Gaza? “Long term? I don’t think you should write it down,” Debbie, an Australian who had emigrated to a town near Gaza, said. “Push delete on Gaza,” said a 22-year-old man standing on a hill in Sederot overlooking Gaza.
“Gaza need to disappear,” said Chen, 23, a clerical worker in a doctor’s office in Ashkelon. “Disappear?” “Yes, kill them all. Of course. One time, and that’s it.” She dusted her hands together. “Nobody’s good there.” Her coworker, Miri, 52, nodded agreement.
When confronted yesterday by RT TV’s Bill Todd on the intentional targeting of two press HQs in Gaza, and on the high number of deaths the IDF is inflicting on Palestinian women and children, IDF spokesperson Avital Leibovitch was non-plussed, not even able to recognize her own deeply embedded racism:
II. President Obama, on his way to pimp the sellout Trans-Pacific Partnership in Asia, was quick to cover these vile racists’ actions with one of his most hypocritical statements ever:
“There is no country on Earth that would tolerate missiles raining down on from outside its borders,” Obama said Sunday in his first public comments on the fighting. “We are fully supportive of Israel’s right to defend its borders.”
Uh, I guess that doesn’t pertain to Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen and other places to where people in padded rooms in Las Vegas or some other stateside U.S. base send “missiles raining down on [sic] from outside its borders.”
Reactions to Obama’s racist comment from the anti-war left are understandably harsh. Here’s The Agonist:
Umm, did you forget about your own drones raining missiles on people across the globe, Mr. President? Or the bombs sent from outside it’s own borders currently raining down on Gaza? In any case – whether the rockets or Israeli airstrikes came first this time around is a bit of chicken-and-egg question, although the favorite for instigator is actually Israel. Let’s not forget too the ongoing Israeli blockade of Gaza – a military blockade of a civilian population being a textbook act of war.
The fact remains, you don’t support one side’s war crimes even if you think the other side started war crimes first. That’s not how it’s meant to work.
And let’s have some sense of perspective here – at current rates it’d take Hamas over 4 million years to do to Israel what Israel could do to Gaza in a week. Since this new round of conflict erupted last Wednesday, three Israelis have been killed, but 65 Palestinians are dead, most of them civilians. Jonathan Cook relates the tale of a recent “fair an balanced, both sides do it” segment that went very off script.
Here’s Paul Mutter at Mondoweiss:
[I]n all such instances, past, present and future, I think we can expect the US to offer the same sort of green lighting the White House has delivered this day. Obama was still in transition in 2008 when Cast Lead took place, and “only” received intelligence briefings and Israeli missives on Cast Lead. This week, he has made his views clearer still.
I observed in the comments at Mutter’s piece:
As neo-liberal as Obama is, I can’t imagine he has forgotten all the slights, minor or major, delivered to him and his administration by Natanyahu over the past years. They began with the highly embarrassing treatment of VP Biden when Biden visited Israel in March 2009, and Netanyahu’s administration announced a huge expansion of settlements right before their scheduled meeting, and went on constantly, right down to Netanyahu’s appearance in pro-Romney campaign ads last month. Obama has been kicked in the nuts by Netanyahu so many times and so hard over the past three years, I’m surprised his voice hasn’t gone up an octave. Can’t imagine this sits well with the president. At all.
Obama is going to be very busy, though, setting up the Trans-Pacific Partnership, selling out so-called entitlements, pushing to get the US to surpass Saudi energy production on his watch, and – if he can garner the support – find a way to scam marketization of carbon taxes and carbon sequestration programs into the next big Wall Street bubble. To do this, he will need help from a lot of ardent Zionists in powerful places.
While Obama is sticking up for this sickening campaign, he probably views it as a distraction from more important deal-making afoot as he prepares to duplicate or even outdo the kinds of policies put in place by his Democratic Party predecessor between 1997 and 2000.
Update – 6:40 PST:
Earlier today, I approached my friend Max Blumenthal about an English translation of a youtube from a Friday Thursday demonstration that featured MK member and active coalition former in the upcoming election, Michael Ben-Ari. Soon afterward, Max found a partial English translation and linked to it. Here it is. Keep in mind that by the time Obama made his supportive statements Saturday, members of his staff should have been aware of this hate-filled, almost blood-lustful speech and event:
Photo of four dead Palestinian siblings, killed by the IDF on November 18,2012, by Noor Tagouri via twitter.




94 Comments

Recommended. Good work Philip.
mfi
To be sure, ET… Poll reveals widespread Jewish support for policy of discrimination against Arab minority…
And, More than 90 percent of Israeli Jews support Pillar of Defense…!
*gah*
got the temperature in the house back up to around 60 F…..
You might want to check that Telegraph piece:
Israeli minister vows Palestinian ‘holocaust’ – Telegraph:
Emphasis mine.
mfi
That’s great news, ET…! 8-)
Good. I know from bitter experience what it’s like when both you and the pipes freeze.
mfi
linked to in the article – somewhere. not the Telegraph article, but an Israeli one, concerned about the MK’s “misuse” of “Shoah.”
*heh* I’ve had the distinct pleasure to experience the Siberian winds, the Arctic gales in Canada’s NWT, and, the frigid Hohenfeld’s muck and mire…! Any wonder that I chose the Isles to reside in…? ;-)
Yes but you’ve quoted the Telegraph article extensively so you need to make clear that it’s four years old and that eliminationist rhetoric from the highest levels of the Israeli political system is far from being a new problem. You don’t make that clear and are thus needlessly handing the hasbarites a stick with which to beat you.
mfi
Tragic and sickening….thanks for the coverage, however.
Oh go and climb a volcanic mountain in the heat :-).
mfi
*heh* It’s also mighty frigid on top of those ‘volcanic’ peaks, let me tell ya…! ;-)
That photo is horrifying. God knows I saw far too many slaughtered children both in my time in Lebanon and again in Irak. It’s not a sight I’ve ever been able to get used to.
mfi
Ouch – that hurt. Because you are right. Updating right now with the translation I approached Max Blumenthal about earlier today. Two days old, but better than four years ago, eh?
It was meant to :-), I knew you’d immediately get the point. And it is worth pointing out that this has been going on for a while.
mif
Btw, folks, Jewish Voice for Peace has a Letter for Obama, that sure could use a few more signatures…!
Mr. President, please condition US aid to Israel on compliance with the law which states that it cannot be used to violate the rights of Palestinians.
There’s over 21,000+ signatures and they’re shooting for 25K…!
Ooh, FDL front-paged ya again, ET…! Two in one day, not too shabby…! ;-)
I just blew up on the phone to an Obama for America worker, who called to get my review of the 2012 campaign and to comment on what Obama did right or wrong in the campaign. Not one single fucking question on what he should do next.
Free Gaza!
Free Bradley!
Mass hysteria plus state armed to teeth with US weapons equals mass murder.
Israel should send Hamas a box of chocolates and thank you card for the 300 rockets Iron Dome intercepted and a lovely cake for the ones that did land. Right?
Oh yeah, Jim… A decisive conclusion is necessary
…There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing. Then they’d really call for a ceasefire.
Were this to happen, the images from Gaza might be unpleasant – but victory would be swift, and the lives of our soldiers and civilians spared.
IF THE government isn’t prepared to go all the way on this, it will mean reoccupying the entire Gaza Strip. Not a few neighborhoods in the suburbs, as with Cast Lead, but the entire Strip, like in Defensive Shield, so that rockets can no longer be fired.
There is no middle path here – either the Gazans and their infrastructure are made to pay the price, or we reoccupy the entire Gaza Strip. Otherwise there will be no decisive victory. And we’re running out of time – we must achieve victory quickly. The Netanyahu government is on a short international leash. Soon the pressure will start – and a million civilians can’t live under fire for long. This needs to end quickly – with a bang, not a whimper.
Boom, eh Jim…?
Why even bring Hamas up? I despise pretty much everything Hamas stands for in a religious context, though I respect their ability to stand up against corruption, and their refusal so give in to Israeli demands that demean Palestinian sovereignty.
Hamas’ domain in Gaza is mostly populated by people whose immediate ascendants were herded out of their ancestral homes and into open-air refugee camps by racist European colonists after WWII. A bigger prison than all the pre-WWII European ghettos put together.
Please cite a source on Iron Dome having been that effective. A credible one, Jim.
Did Obama just say “there is no country on earth that would tolerate missiles raining down on its citizens from outside its borders.”
This from a man who murders the elderly, children and pregnant women in places like Pakistan and Yemen, not to mention Libya and Iraq.
No sense of irony.
No sense of shame.
No hope.
No change.
Thanks, mod. Don’t know what seized EDP and ET there…. Probably has something to do with seeing this pitiful scenario play out again and again and again.
Perhaps the action of finding factual information. Is too much for some. I wish only to see what one can back up with facts. And link to it.
Now i know Tut will soon link to some good musical facts.
*heh* I’ve got some kick-ass Mississippi blues action on tap, homeroid…! ;-)
A Rogue State with nuclear weapons , our worst nightmare.
Recommended.
I accepted that Democrats elected a Republican in 2008 and I always knew that he would be re-elected this year.
It is not of as much consequence as the fact that most of the Democratic Party is now like him.
We no longer have a two-party system, just federal, state and local governments in which some officeholders are nuttier than others.
The dishonesty is annoying, though.
One of these days one random Hamas rocket will hit a densely populated site with hundreds of dead and all hell on both sides will break loose. Israel has the wherewithal to turn all of the Gaza into a glass parking lot. Why they continue to poke Israel in the eye with the continued indiscriminate rocket attacks is beyond me.
They gave a beautiful location and could be the Riviera of the eastern end of the Mediterranean but they are more interested in eliminat5ing Israel than living in peace.
What pisses me off is that even Progressive hero Elizabeth Warren tows AIPAC’s pro-war line…
Sickening, no…? 8-(
*wow* Where to begin unpacking that b*llsh*t…! 8-(
Israel should be forced to annex all of Gaza and the West Bank, including its people. Full Israeli citizenship for all people now living in historic British Mandate Palestine!
Gaza is one of the poorest and most densely populated places on earth. The Israelis are running an outdoor prison camp and you suggest it can be Riveria. Lay off the hallucinogens.
Trying to break through your semi-functonal illiteracy to perceive anything there with historical knowledge as a basis. Who “gave” Gaza to the people who live there? Are you saying the Israelis gifted the Gazans Gaza?
From 1967 to 2005, Gazan access to much of their own territory was limited by the military administration. During that time commercial endeavors by Gazans were throttled for one reason or another by the military administration of the occupation. As Rachel Corrie put it, in her brief visit to Gaza in early 2003:
She could have said that almost any week between 1967 and her death, had she been there then.
After 2006, it even got worse.
Another Hasbarist, blaming the victims for their situation.
Have you no humanity?
Thank you ET…required action and actions simply absent now…the inhumanity of this being so now excels measure.
Enough Americans just re-elected Barack Obama to be POTUS for four more years — Barack Obama is/was a knowable warmonger and war criminal who had/has abetted G.W.Bush and R.B.Cheney warmongering and war crimes. Barack Obama has now been given a electoral validation by enough Americans to be/ for being a warmonger and doing war crimes,killing innocents,slaughtering children and not being held to any American political or legal accounting for doing so.
What Barack Obama is now doing should come as little or no surprise. If it is or does this now underlines how ignorant so many Americans chose/have chosen to be. Americans failed to step up and stop Barack Obama when they could and should have. Too late now.
As ET presents it above what part of this monstrous conduct and willingness to have no human compassion do so many Americans not get? What part?
Tel Aviv is killing Gazan innocents and children — wantonly sowing destruction,terror and horror across Gaza — and Barack Obama is telling Tel Aviv to keep it up and by all means do more if this pleases Tel Aviv.
The width and depth of this Israeli and American wanton brutality and non compassion exceeds any decent standard of political or legal or moral conduct. Yet there are no consequences forthcoming to this train of events now unfolding in Gaza at the hand of Tel Aviv with WashingtonDC giving it the cloaking of being reasonable and acceptable. The open hypocrisy of Barack Obama is now beyond civil remarks.Barack Obama fails/is failing as a agent of restraint,compassion or basic human decency. As a father what kind of monster is Barack Obama?
At this point here in 2012 Americans have very small or simply no right to claim they are better than 1930′s German Fascists.
As much as I condemn Obama’s and most US politicians’ stance on Israel, one has to consider what you imply. It is true.
Back in early 2004, having tea with a rabbi, and discussing his earlier life in Gaza as a settler there, I said (paraphrasing) “If it weren’t for pressures from the US and western Europe, the Israelis would have forced the Gazans into the sea or Egypt, and the Palestinians in the West Bank into Jordan long ago.”
He replied, “there is much truth in what you have said.”
If you can’t see the rise in racist acts and rhetoric in Israel over the past five years, and have a sense of what that means, I pity you, unless you agree with that rise. In which case, I loath you.
Bloodthirsty bastards are giving real credibility to those “anti-semitic” tropes.
That’s what Alexander Solzhenitsyn said about the Zionists and those tracts.
@CTuttle. Warren is doing exactly what she said she would do all along. Why the surprise? Brown wasn’t any worse.
I got a letter from J street asking me to write to Obama and thank him for standing with Israel. in that stomach turning email, Jeremy Ben Ami referred to the people of Gaza as militants, and all of Israel as civilians.
All of our real Progressives are PePs indeed, shek…! 8-(
This diary just made it to the top of the links list at memeorandum. Never happened to anything I’ve written before, to my knowledge.
In 2009, they carried very little on Cast Lead. In 2010, they carried only a very few articles on the Mavi Marmara tragedy, and only a couple made it to the top. But the Gaza bombings have been at the top there all day long. This goes back to my contention that the playing field is different this time – in many ways.
*heh* Was it because I linked to Gilad Sharon’s putrid Jpost op-ed…? Congrats, ET, either way…! *g*
Who knows why, but they ARE covering I/P far more than on any previous event, incursion or whatever.
11 years ago terrorists crashed just three missiles into American cities and what followed is still remembered today. Ask any New Yorker how he or she feels about terrorists who send missiles into American cities. Now imagine not 3 but 450 missiles fired on your city from January through October which is the amount that Hamas fired upon Israel in that period.
How soon some of us forget.
…Ask any New Yorker how he or she feels about terrorists who send missiles into American cities…
Quite a stretch there, technolady…! Funny how several box-cutters enabled it all, eh…?
I’m sorry, but did I just make your comment out to be linkage between September 11th 2001 and the people of Gaza? I hope not, because I’ve appreciated your few comments at various fdl diaries over the months.
This diary is about growing eliminationist rhetoric and acts in Israel, and US accommodation of it. In your comment, you are implicitly accepting that as OK because of missiles being thrown at people from afar or not so afar. And, by taking that position, do you feel the people of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia have a right to attack our children to stop the missiles we send upon their houses?
From Arutz Shiva Monday morning:
Edited to keep within Fair Use guidelines. See complete article at link above
Sorry to paste two consecutive articles in their entirety, but they are important. Israel is under a lot of pressure not to go in with the tanks and commandos and snipers and dogs, etc. Netanyahu’s poll numbers are up a lot, so he may even listen.
Here’s Juan Cole:
Edited to keep within Fair Use guidelines. See complete article at link above
Max Blumenthal, back on Friday on RT TV, in an amazing display of his knowledge and acuity about many aspects of this ongoing war crime.
Obama’s complete comments on Gaza at a presser in Thailand Sunday.
Doesn’t include the question he had been asked.
The core of this entire conflict is plain to see—Israel is slowly stealing the entire region of land and wiping its peoples away with all possible speed. It’s time to recognize their fascist racism for what it is, period: time to divest, to boycott, to assault them on every side with awareness and anger and condemnation until this holy war stops. Here’s my favorite quote from The Bible (so-called “Wisdom” 12: 3-11):
“The ancient inhabitants of your holy land you [Yahweh] hated for their loathsome practices…..You determined to destroy them at our fathers’ hands, so that this land…might receive a colony of God’s children worthy of it. Even so, since these were men, you treated them leniently…to destroy them bit by bit…although you knew very well they were inherently evil…and fixed in their cast of mind; for they were a race accursed from the beginning…..”
This is Zionism’s core, foundational belief. They are going to keep on killing till they are stopped. May God, history and human progress return their own fascist hate on their own heads.
Harry Fear names 92 who have died in Gaza, 11-19-12
http://youtu.be/e-PYkW6ASLU
Occupy Ignores Israel.
http://my.firedoglake.com/fairleft/2012/11/19/occupy-ignores-israel/
Unabashed diary whoring on your superb diary, ET.
Turkey’s Erdogan: Israel carrying out terrorist acts in Gaza | Reuters:
mfi
This is the man you liberals re-elected two weeks ago and his stance on Israel is one of the many, many, many reasons I voted for Jill Stein.
Suffice to say that if I was president, mentioning Hiroshima and Nagasaki would be a very bad idea as it would put ideas in my head.
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The central lesson the zionists learned from the Nazis was how to behave like Nazis.
Stymied, temporarily, in their plans to commit mass murder in Iran and wanting to steal even more land from Palestinians they’re planning another campaign of ethnic cleansing.
Everyone, everywhere should build demonstrations to protest their racist murder campaign and Obama’s disgusting racist support for zionist mass murderers.
Follow this at http://electronicintifada.net/
Ok, except for one thing the people in these areas don’t want to be part of a greater Israel. They want the Jews to leave or become Muslims in a greater Palestine. I have a Cherokee friend that feels the same way about Georgia where his ancestors are from.
Obama defends its consequences or his second-term agenda and his legacy?
http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NK17Ak03.html
… paint with a broad brush much?
Actually, quite a few of them have indicated they would be happy with just being left alone on their remaining unstolen land and not have to watch the families in Gaza starving.
This particular election-propelled slaughter by Israel is simply indefensible…
… but people are going to try nonetheless because it’s Israel.
And that in itself is another tragedy.
“The central lesson the zionists learned from the Nazis was how to behave like Nazis.”
Your comment speaks volumes about your ignorance of history in general and in specific the Nazi treatment of all of the peoples of the countries they invaded in WWII.
Hint: It’s a secret they keep in books.
Perhaps you should give some thought to reading books instead of making ludicrous accusations.
otherwise, have a nice day.
If Hamas continues to use the Palestinian People as a political football knowing that an untold number of innocents will ultimately pay the price for their folly, they are going to need an armada of pick-up trucks to carry away the dead.
This is an unmitigated tragedy for the Palestinian People.
How very sad, very sad.
True and true.
Now if Erdogan was Spock and could do a “mind meld” with the U.S. House of Representatives…
If you’re not careful, then you will become what you hate.
Till now, what has saved the Palestinians from genocide has been a faint sense of irony. Even that is disappearing.
I realize that this is more pertinent to your Anonymous post, but I wonder if it’s not of great importance to post the info of Anon’s ‘Gaza Care Package’ which has detailed ways for Gazans to communicate if Israel shuts down their internet services, plus ways to avoid IDF surveillance, etc. Thoughts? Is it out there enough already?
This site can provide a pretty big megaphone. I’d be glad to post it, but what I don’t know about tech communications is…almost all of it, so it would largely just be PSA and request for comments/suggestions.
I don’t like to post about Israel/Palestine because of the great and, I believe, justfied emotions on both sides. I’d just like to make these points:
1) In broadest terms, the Israel/Palestine dispute is not a black and white issue. Both sides believe their survival is at stake. Both sides have plenty of blame.
2) I agree with greybeard @29 that when Israel withdrew from Gaza, the Hamas leadership had the opportunity to really develop Gaza economically (saying that it could have been a Riviera may be an overstatement). Hamas has thwarted this possibility with the rocket attacks which they have repeatedly initiated. Yes, the Israeli retaliation has been bloody and at times disproportionate, but there is no doubt who started both this Gaza conflict and the one in 2008. No rockets from Gaza, no Israeli retaliation.
3) Israel has been far from a gracious negotiating partner through the years, but Palestinian intransigence has been an even bigger obstacle. Most notably, Bill Clinton almost achieved a comprehensive Israel/Palestine peace in 2000, but Arafat rejected it.
4) Sadly, the Palestinian intransigence has caused racist, xenophobic elements in Israel to become very prominent. Netanyahu is their chief spokesperson. The expansionism and aggression of Jewish West Bank settlers is a disgrace. Israel has transformed from the basically moderate, social democratic country that it was before the 1967 war to a dog-eat-dog capitalist nation (with its own version of Occupy). Extreme religious elements have a stranglehold on the political system.
5) All in all, it’s a grim scene. Peace-loving elements among both Israel and Palestinians must be strengthened. But I strongly believe that it is wrong to condemn only one side, and disingenuously claim that only one side is to blame.
As the violence against the human beings captive in Gaza is accelerated BY the Israeli political class, it would be well for the citizens of the United States to realize that our political class, virtually unanimously, supports the Israeli political class … to the tune of $3.5 billion … each year, a part of the $30 billion, over a ten-year period, in MILITARY aid which Obama promised Israel in 2009 … any who imagine that Obama and the rest of the political class of THIS nation, which includes the media, will become less “supportive” of Israeli offenses are very sadly mistaken.
As the rhetoric becomes ever more hateful and blatantly racist, it would be wise for the people of the United States of America to consider that “we” are hated, not “for our freedoms”, but for “our” tacit support of state-sanctioned murder and blatant, overt, “covert” and deliberate participation in organized mayhem, in many nations around the world, be it Israel or be it Ethiopia, or elsewhere in the Middle East and in Africa, not forgetting the Americas and other regions as well. It is our “proud” and “Official” policy to do so. “We” blithely consider it to be our “Manifest Destiny”.
So, while it is the Israeli political class who, for political “reasons”, have determined upon massive “punishment”, it is the US which enables, encourages, and “protects” such behavior.
No doubt everyone here, at FDL, well knows the truth of this sad history, even those who deny the essential oppression and humanity of the Palestinian people as well, everyone here must fully understand that ultimately it is ALL done in our names, for glory or for “reasons” claimed to be “pragmatic”, “just”, and “humane”.
Thank you, ET, for daring to insist that the truth must be known … and acknowledged as the truth and as leading to consequence … inevitably.
DW
“The width and depth of this Israeli and American wanton brutality and non compassion exceeds any decent standard of political or legal or moral conduct. Yet there are no consequences forthcoming to this train of events now unfolding in Gaza at the hand of Tel Aviv with WashingtonDC giving it the cloaking of being reasonable and acceptable. The open hypocrisy of Barack Obama is now beyond civil remarks. Barack Obama fails/is failing as a agent of restraint,compassion or basic human decency. As a father what kind of monster is Barack Obama?”
I can’t say it better than you have, shootthatarrow.
There is a huge disconnect in people’s minds between the activity of supporting Obama’s re-election, and the consequences of having done so. We need to recognize that we are all in some ways responsible, and even if we didn’t support Obama a second time, some of us did, including me, the first time around.
If people want to decry what is happening, and we all do, we must recognize our own responsibility in this, and move on as quickly as we can. I would hope everyone who publicly advocated voting for this man will up front and immediately say that they were wrong – else I am not going to value anything further that they write. I will continue to say (and I don’t listen to the rightwing fuddy duddies) that this man ought to be impeached.
Here is what this is like – addressing his continuing supporters (if there are any):
It is like saying yes, there is climate change and we should be building protections against it – but not doing anything to educate about the causes of climate change and get the world off of fossil fuels before the planet funnels us all into outer space.
I spent the weekend reading here and elsewhere what I could about what’s happening in Gaza. Of course, it’s very disturbing. Heartbreaking. Disgusting.
And on top of that, I have to face that as a US citizen, I’m part of this Manifest Destiny.
Let’s see what next on my to do list.
Slit my throat.
What idiocy. Of course the zionists emulate both the Nazis and the American genocides in Vietnam and Iraq. Apologias for the mass murderers who run the zionist bunkerstadt are not acceptable.
Please tell us the difference between the zionist’s nazi-like mass murder in Deir Yassin and hundreds of other places and the Nazi’s actions at Oradour-sur-Glane in France, Lidice in Czechoslovakia and in thousands of other places.
Or stop pretending that you read books.
I don’t know that this piece by Jonathan Cook at zcommunications will help much as he doesn’t address the history-as-you-understand-it, but he does name four culprits who will be to blame for all the deaths of Palestinians and Israelis in the days or weeks to come.
@ juliania @67: Yes, and I’d meant to thank arrow for that good comment, too.
Strikes me you got it ass-backwards.
The Israeli’s are like people who were abused by their parents when they were children. They grow up to be abusers.
I liked what Twain had to say about this several days ago on the diary post Egypt Tries to Broker Cease Fire and Truce in Gaza. Israel Responds Provocatively by EdwardTeller.
It amazes me how often the argument starts at “The Palestinians started it by sending rockets into Israel” and not “The Israelis took the land of the Palestinians and have been torturing and murdering them ever since”.
Thanks ET, Great stuff nothing but the Truth and most of the so called progressive blog world have been silent on this. Thanks FDL
“Why even bring Hamas up?”
Because Jim wants to distract from the fact that IDF attacks have killed more innocent children in one weekend than have all the rockets ever fired from Gaza over the years.
By the way, Jim: Those chocolates you recommend — Are you suggesting that Israel stop literally starving Gazans to death? How generous of you!
Arggh — the link I meant to include never made it into my comment. Here it is:
http://electronicintifada.net/content/israels-starvation-diet-gaza/11810
Don’t do that. That’s exactly what the hasbara brigade would want to see — disgusted and decent people killing themselves rather than working to stop the genocide.
Bear in mind that Netanyahu et al didn’t want Obama to win — they wanted Romney, as Obama is actually nowhere near as acquiescent to Bibi’s wishes as they think a President Romney would have been:
Fairleft ignores Wendy’s and John’s comments debunking the premise of his diary.
Sorry, I let my emotions get away from me.
Fortunately, I do have people to take care of, so, I’ve got to stick around and endure.
(But, thanks. I needed that.)
((((hug))))
Thanks for the article, ET.
Well done.
What often wonder is why allegations are constantly made that Palestinians are using “human shields” and the allegations are never questioned. They have nowhere to go, no sirens warning them, no shelter.
1.7 million people in a tiny sliver of land that is occupied and an open air prison.
“shooting fish in a barrel” comes to mind…………
Sorry, you are not going anywhere…This Israel story is truly awful. It does appear that Isr of all people wants to destroy what is left of the Pal. settlements. Surely there are cooler and saner heads to speak and lead. Really scary, I think.
Thanks for link to Jonathan Cook article, well worth reading.
“Please tell us the difference between the zionist’s nazi-like mass murder in Deir Yassin and hundreds of other places and the Nazi’s actions at Oradour-sur-Glane in France, Lidice in Czechoslovakia and in thousands of other places.”
Funny you should ask.
The difference?
Rather than waste our time with details let me give you the short version:
5.99 million victims
You might want to consider reading the following books, transcripts, oral histories, and personal accounts which I have stomached over the years (only a small selection from my personal library):
The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion’, trans.Victor E. Marsden.
‘Mein Kampf’, Adolph Hitler
Then the minutes of the Wannsee conference, January 20, 1944.
Then ‘The Autobiography of Rudolf Hoess Commandant of Auschwitz’, Constantine FitzGibbon trans, London: Phoenix Press, 2000
The eye witness reports of the Babi Yar executions.
And then the oral histories of the carbon dioxide killing vans used at Sobibor, and then eye witness reports of Treblinka.
And ‘Hitler’s Willing Executioner’s, Daniel J. Goldhagen, 1996 Knopf-You’ll just love the part about the young Jewish children being driven in large trucks into the forest where they were taken in groups, made to lie down, and then shot in the back of the neck. One Nazi executioner told Goldhagen how pissed he use to get when the guy next to him shot the kids at the back of the skull and splattered brains and bone on his fellow executioners-some guys just have no class.
‘Constantine’s Sword-The Church and The Jews’, James Carroll, 2001
‘Auschwitz and the Allies-A Devastating Account of How the Allies Responded to the News of Hitler’s Mass Murder, Martin Gilbert, 1981
‘The Holocaust’, Martin Gilbert, 1986
’A Moral Reckoning-The Role of the Catholic Church in the Holocaust and its Unfilled Duty of Repair, Daniel J. Goldhagen.
Then the minutes of the separate trials of the Nazi doctors, see ‘The Nazi doctors-Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide, Robert Jay Lifton,1986, Basic Books
Then read the published histories of the Einsatzkommdandos: mobile killing squads.
Try on for size ‘The Psychopathic God Adolph Hitler’, Robert G.L. Waite 1977, Da Capo.
And last but not least, ‘The World Reacts to the Holocaust, David S. Wyman, editor, Johns Hopkins 1996.
After you have educated yourself, we can then talk intelligently about parallels.
Until then, keep reading.
Thank for laying out some of the points of historic continuity between the ethnic cleansing policies of Nazism and the copy cat versions of the zionists. But why did you not admit that Deir Yassin is exactly like Lidice or the vast numbers of murdered of Polish and Soviet citizens, all aimed at the same thing – ethnic cleansing.
For some perspective, let’s be clear about the extent of deaths due to the Nazi’s policies of ethnic cleansing and their other crimes against humanity. They murdered almost 50 million. Examine the numbers. By far their worst deliberate genocide was against Soviet citizens and POW’s, who accounted for 23.4 million murders. Germans (including Austrians) lost 8.8 million to the Nazis and the mass murder of Jews accounted for roughly 6 million victims, as did Poles who lost 5.8 million. The other millions of Nazi victims were in the 16 or so countries the Nazi’s invaded or formed alliances with. They ranged from over a million in Yugoslavia to 3,000 in Luxembourg and included, as you know, gypsies, gays and people with disabilities.
The zionists have only killed a million or so to date but they operate in a far smaller way.
Really, you should get out more and read more, especially about the real records of the Nazis and their zionist emulators. Try The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering and Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict both by Norman Finkelstein.
While you’re pursuing the many connections between zionism and Nazism go online and read Lenni Brenner’s seminal work Zionism in the Age of the Dictators which can be read online “for personal use only. No portions of this book may be reprinted, reposted or published without written permission from the author.”
http://www.marxistsfr.org/history/etol/document/mideast/agedict/index.htm
87 is for you.
Thanks, Bill. The official view of the Soviet Government was that as awful as the Holocaust against Jews was, it was only one major part of an overall plan of genocide and ethnic cleansing that took place in a geographic area. There is something unique about the holocaust against the Jews, but so was there something unique about the holocaust of the Roma. Anyone who has read accounts of the POW camps in which millions of Soviet POWs were kept and intentionally starved to death by the Wehrmacht over the winter of 1941-42 will see something unique in the recent annals of war. And so on.
What this has to do with Gaza beats me, except that Doremus35 used your mention of a few famous atrocities as a vehicle with which to implant some sort of indirect comparison between Nazis and Palestinians.
I recommend against comparing anything done by actors for the Jewish State of Israel with anything done by the actors of the Nazi 3rd Reich. There are more apt historical comparisons to be made:
1) Various tribal wars of European colonist or the American government against our first peoples.
2) French policies in Algeria, particularly after WWII.
3) Rhodesian policies toward Native inhabitants.
4) Portuguese policies in various late 20th century colonies.
5) The Apartheid policies of the Union of South Africa. This is particularly apt, as the State of Israel supported these atrocious policies directly in many ways, extending to the latter offering the apartheid SA government nuclear weapons, in a variety of sizes and flavors.
6) I’m sure there are other non-Nazi examples. Feel free to add. I do subscribe to the notion that “in an argument, the first person who mentions Hitler loses.”
The only comparison between Nazi policies and Israeli policies I have been tempted to make has been that of comparing the 1941-44 900-day siege of Leningrad to that of Gaza. Even there, the metaphor doesn’t strike me as strong enough to be as usable as many models that don’t throw Hitler into the equation.
As I stated, the comparison centers on the use of ethnic cleansing as state policy. It is, as you point out, a policy common to colonialists since before Caesar murdered millions of Gauls, Belgae and others. As Vercingetorix may have said, looking the ruins of his country, “even where they make a desert, they call it peace”
Vercingetorix could be describing precisely what the zionist are doing in Gaza.
I refer to the Nazi-zionist relationship because it underscores the irony of zionist claims to protect Jews by murdering Palestinians and stealing their land. For all intents and purposes zionists abandoned European Jews to wage a racist war against Palestinians and in the process became the number one agent endangering Jews, with the possible exception of the US.
The origins of the Nazi/zionist connection are explained in great detail in Lenni Brenner’s Zionism in the Age of the Dictators which can be read online free at http://www.marxistsfr.org/history/etol/document/mideast/agedict/index.htm It’s not a connection of collaboration, but of shared ideas and approaches.
NYC for Gaza
https://vimeo.com/53913696
Then there’s:
• The Turkish holocaust against the Armenians.
• Congo under the Beglgians.
• You might like to enquire of any historian of British colonialism in Africa “who invented the term ‘concentration camp’ and where?”
• Or how about the shatteringly evil record of how the Japanese behaved when they invaded and occupied China including the systematic use of biological weapons against civilians?
• The continuing extermination of Amazonian tribes.
To give just a few further examples.
As to what it has to do with doremus – oh come on Philip, you know perfectly well that he’s just slavishly following on from his mentor who used to claim that because Jews have historically been subject to persecution that the Jewish state should be treated leniently whenever it engages in acts of barbarity in case some Jewish person somewhere or another feelings get hurt.
It’s not as if we both haven’t lots of experience with people who make this argument, what was the name of that chap in Alaska who used to pester you by flinging around accusations of anti-semitism at drop of a hat? “Big Al”?
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it was “Big Mitch.” Still see him every once in a while. He immediately turns away and leaves. Typical trashed Hasbarist.
That was the bollix I knew it was “big” something or another. :-)
mfi