Three recent events have brought an onslaught of hurling the term “anti-Semite” toward a number of people who certainly do not warrant such an epithet:
1) The October 5th, 2012 letter by fifteen leading Christian clerics to the U.S. Senate, requesting the latter body investigate the legality of U.S. military aid to Israel.
2) Objections from an array of people in U.S. public life to the mid-November 2012 bombardment of the Gaza concentration camp by Israeli forces.
3) The possible nomination by president Obama of former GOP U.S. Senator Chuck Hagel to be the next Secretary of Defense.
The last of these three instances has evoked an almost shocking level of vitriol directed toward a public figure who has been what most regard as a voice of sanity in the midst of crazed rhetoric toward Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas or the Palestinian people themselves, by uber Zionists. Perhaps the best known example of this malevolence was in an article by Daniel Halper in the Weekly Standard on December 13th (emphases added):
In response to reports that Barack Obama is likely to choose Chuck Hagel to be the next secretary of defense, a top Republican Senate aide emails, “Send us Hagel and we will make sure every American knows he is an anti-Semite.”
When asked to elaborate, the aide writes, “Hagel has made clear he believes in the existence of a nefarious Jewish lobby that secretly controls U.S. foreign policy. This is the worst kind of anti-Semitism there is.”
I wrote about this at Firedoglake on December 15th, in a somewhat humorous piece, but the anonymous quote cited by Halper is just one of many hits against Hagel that went beyond careless or irresponsible, and into libel territory. The list of his detractors is long, and getting longer by the hour. Yet the list of his supporters seems to be lengthening even more rapidly.
Beyond my concern for the sliming of Hagel by use of the anti-Semite libel is a tangential concern that came to my attention from an exchange in the on-line journal Dissent Magazine, between University of California sociologist James B. Rule and Princeton University political philosopher Michael Walzer. The Dissent article is behind a paywall, but the blog Mondoweiss carried a synopsis of it on December 17th that revealed claims of anti-Semitism by Walzer toward the July 6th vote at the Presbyterian General Assembly, to boycott products from illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank. Walzer’s protest shows careless and irresponsible accusations toward an entire Christian denomination, which, in my mind, is an egregious fault for such a noted academic and scholar (emphasis added):
Now, I have been reading recently about the effort, narrowly defeated, to get American Presbyterians to divest from companies doing business in Israel. The debate about divestment was fierce…. I couldn’t find a single item describing Presbyterian engagement with any other contemporary state or society. I Googled “Presbyterians and China,” looking for some protest against the settlement of Han Chinese in Tibet, a project on a far larger scale and much more effective than anything the Israeli Right has been able to do on the West Bank. I could not find a single item. Not a word. Jim Rule probably doesn’t find this “jarring.” But I do; I was uncomfortable reading the Presbyterian debates, while I am, most of the time, at ease in a synagogue.
Philip Weiss, who published the Mondoweiss synopsis editorialized on Walzer’s statement:
So he is saying that the Presbyterians went after Israel because they don’t like Jews, and that scares him.
The utter carelessness of Walzer’s claim was easily revealed by commenters at the post. Here is part of a comment by Hostage:
My reply to Waltzer re “I Googled “Presbyterians and China,” looking for some protest against the settlement of Han Chinese in Tibet.” . . . . & etc.
Much more to the point:
1) You need to turn off Google search history personalization, or else the results will simply reflect your own selection bias and interests; link to support.google.com2) You need to see if the website in question uses a robots.txt file to restrict access to directories by Google’s automatic indexing program. The robot.txt file at www.pcusa.org/robots.txt does exactly that.
3) The site search feature at the Presbyterian Church USA returns 65 items about Tibet. Many of the results happen to be news and announcements that address the annexation of Tibet by China and persecution of the ethnic Tibetan population or Tibetan refugees:
link to pcusa.org4) The Presbyterians appear to be at work, together with the World Council of Churches and the China Christian Council, on the subjects of equal rights and human rights in China. There are 434 results for articles about China.
I noted in a comment at the Mondoweiss synopsis:
My reply to Waltzer re “I Googled “Presbyterians and China,” looking for some protest against the settlement of Han Chinese in Tibet.”
Jesus didn’t get baptized in the Yangtze River. It was the Jordan.
Jesus didn’t heal a blind man in Shanghai. It was in Bethsaida.
Jesus didn’t begin his ministry in Tianjin. He began it in Capernaum.
Jesus didn’t raise the dead in Nanjing. He did it in Nain.
Jesus didn’t raise Lazarus in Beijing. He did it in Bethany.
Jesus wasn’t tried and crucified in Shanghai. It happened in Jerusalem.
Jesus didn’t have his transfiguration on Mt. Kailas. It happened on Mt. Tabor.
Why doesn’t Waltzer understand the centrality of this to the Presbyterian faith, or other Christian creeds?
Perhaps he is anti-Christian?
It has long struck me as troubling that people of Walzer’s ilk (his willful irresponsibility re the Presbyterians deserves at least that much approbation) feel they can get away with this level of intellectual dishonesty when it comes to what they see as the centrality of the geographic area now known as Israel to their faith, yet ignore its importance to others. Can his anti-Christianity be equated to anti-Semitism? And if so, can he be condemned at the same level Zionists seem to feel is appropriate for those they choose to label as anti-Semitic?
God only knows that many Christian leaders have bent over backwards again and again to accommodate sensitivities in this regard from Jews. One striking, if little known example is the libretto of Johann Sebastian Bach’s Johannes-Passion.
The sacred masterpiece, based largely on the account of Christ’s passion from the Gospel of John, has been described as “anti-Semitic” based on the scene in which the blame for Jesus’ death is placed upon “the Jews.” Since World War II, many performances of the work substitute “Leute” (people) for “Juden” (Jews) in the necessary sections. Other versions of the St. John Passion have undergone similar editing or modification. Essentially, what has been done here is that Christians, to placate another faith, have changed the words of their own gospel.
Although these moves to assuage religious sensitivities may be both ahistorical and unnecessary (some scholars argue that Bach’s setting of the scene in question “contain[s] fewer statements derogatory toward Jews than many other contemporary musical settings of the Passion. Bach [also] used words for the commenting arias and hymns that tended to shift the blame for the death of Jesus from “the Jews” to the congregation of Christians.”) they are real. Walzer’s greater sin in respect to his comments on the Presbyterians in the Dissent synopsis isn’t his anti-Christian carelessness. It is his comfort level with being able to do this without being held to some sort of standard of honesty. Indeed, Baylor University Professor of Jewish Studies, Marc H. Ellis, notes, regarding Walzer’s serial dishonesty:
When I encountered Walzer in Jerusalem in 1987, I was speaking on my soon to be published book, Toward a Jewish Theology of Liberation. Walzer was one of my respondents.
Respond he did, using the same arguments he uses with Rule. As with Rule, Walzer was less interested in explicitly defending Israel’s actions. His more important task was to make suspect anyone critical of Israel.
Walzer made his career with these kinds of calculated and malicious arguments.
On some levels, even more disturbing than all this dishonesty used to attack honest critics of one Israeli government after another, rather than against a creed, faith, culture or race, is its context in the midst of long-time and steadily growing apartheid. Ellis on Walzer over the years:
What he writes in Dissent – ‘Israel is a country in need of radical criticism; it currently has the worst government in its history, perhaps the worst government among Western democracies’ – he spoke in more or less the same words twenty-five years ago.
Walzer has been a pessimist about Israel for decades. Then and now he sees glimmers of hope. Israel can embrace them if she has the political will. In the meantime, Walzer believes that no one outside his self-defined circle can sound the alarm.
Giving Ellis’s thoughts on this resonance is New Yorker editor David Remnick’s very recent observation on Israeli politicians and governance:
[T]he Israeli political class is a full-blown train wreck.
Whenever the Walzers and so on fail to confront this, but instead attack honest people who would rather help, even if that help resembles intervention to stop an alcoholic or heroin addict, they only make all this worse.
Update – Sunday 10:05 am PST: Michael Walzer has responded to my letter, posted at comment #61 below. I’ve written back. Should the exchange be productive, and he gives me permission, I’ll use it as part of a new post here.
Photo in the public domain.




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The new anti-Semitism
US State Department, Mar 13, 2008
The distinguishing feature of the new anti-Semitism is criticism of Zionism or Israeli policy that—whether intentionally or unintentionally—has the effect of promoting prejudice against all Jews by demonizing Israel and Israelis, and attributing Israel’s perceived faults to its Jewish character.
http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/102406.htm#contemporary
Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”
Such manifestations [of anti-Semitism] could also target the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. Anti-Semitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for ‘why things go wrong.’ It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.
http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/102406.htm#defining
I fail to see the point of your boilerplate cut-and-paste, db. Is there one?
None at all. I’m sorry I bothered.
Might I guess donbacon’s point is contained in the words “State Department”.
Excellent diary, ET.
The Presbyterian Church also was one of the churches the promoted boycotts and divestment of South Africa’s apartheid state. It seems perfectly consistent to do the same thing with Israel’s emerging apartheid state.
Meanwhile progressive radio figures advertise settlement-made SodaStream.
Recommended.
Another caution about reckless use of the term anti-Semitic:
I’ve heard three of our most prominent Arab Americans (advocate Ralph Nader, and journalists Helen Thomas & James Zogby) mildly tell people on the air that it is somewhat Racist to say that Arabs [or Ethiopians] are anti-Semitic, because they are Semitic.
If Arabs can be anti-Semitic, then can Venezuelans and other South Americans be anti-American?
I’m going to tell a story that is both absolutely true and is very fresh in my memory. A few years ago, it was during a time of brutal crackdown by IDF of people in Gaza, though I can’t be specific about the incident since it happens so frequently. I was at a party in Austin and a group of friends and I were sitting in the living room, listening to a party goer who I had just met earlier that evening but quite liked. We had spent better than an hour talking about video games, the fact that we were both on unemployment, (he was advising me as my first tier was just about to expire), and various topics. With us were three of my very dear friends, one of which was an observant Jew and another who was raised Jewish but had since become atheist. Nobody in the group was especially orthodox or anything. Anyway, the man we had all just met was talking about his recent trip to Israel and Jerusalem and always being interested in the news of the day, I asked about the crackdown on the Palestinian people in Gaza. The man’s face just changed and became angry and hard. It soon became clear that he was pretty anti Arab and had some very strong opinions. The rest of us sat there horrified as he regaled us with some of his frankly brutal and racist opinions in that regard. At one point, unprompted, he told us that if he had his way, he’d “drive every fucking Arab, man, woman and child into the Mediterranean Sea”. “Really?”, I asked incredulously. “What are young children guilty of?”. “They grow up to become bombers” he sneered. At this point, just a little taken aback by the transformation from a mild and very likeable man who shared a lot in common with me, to intolerant and possibly violent bigoted asshole, I pointed out that the reason children grow up to become bombers is because they are treated cruelly when they are children. Uh-oh! Head for the hills and Katie bar the door, but did he fly into what can only be described as blind rage! Suddenly I was an “Arab lover”, a “terrorist” and of course anti Semitic. Of course my horrified friends supported me and then we were all “trying to cause the destruction of Israel” and so forth and we should all be arrested on “terrorism” charges and etc., even my observant Jewish friend, (this guy knew that my friend was Jewish and observant, they had just been discussing it).
Sorry for the length but I think the moral of this story has to be that there is a difference between philosophy and ideology and still another between ideology and dogma. Though I knew that the term “anti Semitic” has been used inappropriately, never before had I seen that kind of display. It went beyond any right wing zealotry, Christian fundamentalism, racism or other dogmatic belief I have ever experienced. It scared the crap out of me to be honest. You can’t reason with that kind of person and it’s pointless to try. What scares me most is that this man is representative of the people who we are supposedly trying to encourage to come to the table with the Palestinians. At this point, I don’t see how that will happen in this generation.
Why assume that Israel needs encouragement to come to the table with Palestinians? What about the other way around?
The Gazans call for the destruction of Israel and so refuse to negotiate with the “Zionist entity” they don’t recognize. The West Bank is busy teaching their population that the Jews never lived in the entire area in an effort to negate Israel’s existence.
The more I read about how Jews were treated in Arab lands (I wonder what the Presbyterians had to say when both Egypt and Iraq threw out their Jewish citizens and stole their property?), the less I worry about the Palestinians.
And despite ET’s long-winded article, I think it’s pretty evident that the never-ending assault on Israel is just an extension of anti-Semitism.
Wrong. One can be anti Israel but not be anti Semitic. For example, I’m pretty thoroughly anti Iran but not at all anti Persian. One can be down on governments without being down on the governed and in the case of Israel, people like you love to equate the two but they are entirely disparate. You’re comparing apples to the soil they grow in. As for myself, I just related a true story and my subjective feelings in response to it. I think it’s pretty arrogant of you to suggest there is something wrong with the way I subjectively feel.
As for the Gazans, I’ll ask you like I did the guy at the party: What about the children? The children who didn’t choose their parents, their geography or the circumstances in which the IDF enforces that geography and refuses to let those who would flee actually do so. Would you “push them into the sea”? Take some responsibility right now and tell us where you stand on the slaughter of Palestinian children. BTW: Even if I found the argument that the adults are using them as human shields, it wouldn’t be relevant to the question I’m asking. Is it okay to slaughter children and why?
So am I.
Yes, because it’s impossible to criticize a government without implicitly criticizing an ethnic group. Good fucking grief.
Ah, the sharonsj of the edifying “Personally, I think intermarriage and the lack of culture in America has made us stupid” comment a while back. Such a delight to see your voice of tolerance enter this discussion.
She seems very fiercely anti everything not Semitic, does she not? Reflexive behavior. Context doesn’t matter, situation, circumstances, current events, etc., nothing matters but that someone has the temerity to criticize Israel for ______________. This is classic dogmatic behavior. Can’t let anything get in the way of the dogma. Israel rendering Palestinians into food and fuel would be A-okay and totally justifiable. There’s no point in attempting to discuss with those for whom discussion is irrelevant.
One thought that I’ve had for some time on the careless use of the term “anti-semite” is that such overuse will likely result in even more anti-semites.
I know I’ve never said a fucking word about anyone’s Jewish faith and/or culture and/or anything but I have been called an anti-semite more times than I can count and am getting goddamned tired of it for merely criticizing the government of Israel.
It’s not ever going to make me a bigot against Jews, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it did just that to someone else who decides they’ve fucking had it with every criticism of the Israeli government resulting in them being insulted by some Jewish person.
Someone is going to sue – and win big-time.
If you don’t like “anti-Semite”, how do you feel about “Jew-hating Nazi-apologist bastard”? Cuz, gosh, I’m so very sorry that Bach’s “sacred masterpiece” was changed because your fellow Christians realized, post-WWII, that works that say “the Jews killed Jesus, let’s kill the Jews!” put them on the same side as the folks who were pumping in the Zyklon-B.
No, the wonderful folks in Christianity “have bent over backwards again and again” because the mean Jews don’t like being told they have Christ’s blood on their hands and are therefore meant to be burning and screaming in Hell for Eternity. (Even moreso than mere Muslims or Hindus [oh, look! There's Gandhi howling again! Pacifist asshole should really learn to love having his eyeballs melt, don't you think?], those Jews are just the worst of the worst.) Stopping a centuries-long campaign of hatred and incitement to slaughter isn’t Christians learning to be civil towards non-Christians, it’s their nobly deigning to “accommodate sensitivities in this regard from Jews”.
Poor, poor Christians, having to “placate another faith”, and thus (horrors!), they’ve “changed the words of their own gospel.” Never mind that if you’ve been using that “gospel” to justify slaughter and forced conversions since the days of “St.” John Dospotum, maybe you SHOULD consider changing it? No, this is pure kindness by Christian leader which totally makes up for the Crusades, the Inquisition, the slave trade, the destruction of indigenous peoples in the Americas, the Pogroms, the Nazi Holocaust and all the other crimes Christians have committed against non-Christians throughout the millennia. (This is sarcasm, in case you can’t tell.)
So when Jews (who have no other lands in which they are a majority, and who are constantly under attack in the one place of refuge they have) such as Waltzer “ignore [the] importance” of Israel to Christians (who expelled Jews from England, expelled them from France, expelled them from Spain, butchered them in Russia, butchered them in Poland, butchered them in Germany, etc, etc, etc., and who have dozens of countries where they never have to spend a second worrying about being treated like second-class citizens, confined to ghettos, deprived of rights, and packed into cattle cars enroute to slave labor and extermination), then they are “anti-Christian” and it’s “hypocritical” not to decry them to the same extent that those who wish to destroy Israel and drive the Jews into the sea (still the official policy of the Palestinians) are called “anti-Semitic”.
Riiiiiiight. Those damn Jews, always oppressing Christians. You let them off easy when you burned 15,000 at the stake that time in Strasbourg. How dare they call you anti-Semitic! And “make” you change Bach’s “sacred masterpiece”, which “contain[s] fewer statements derogatory toward Jews than many other contemporary musical settings of the Passion”. Oh, so he only proclaimed Jews to be evil tools of the Devil 10 times when others were doing it 20 or 30 times in their Passion plays? Well, that makes it totally all right, then.
Gosh, I’m just SOOOO sorry you feel so oppressed by the evil, evil Jews. Poor baby. And I think that’s a perfectly good reason for you to be so unequivocably championing the possible appointment of Chuck Hagel, arch-conservative homophobic plutocrat, as the King of the Perpetual War Machine (or Secretary of Defense). Carry on.
PS:
Actually, Jesus didn’t do any of that. Jesus is fictional. Just like “God”. Sorry to burst that bubble.
Personally I think all superstitions are absurd and it pisses me off when people try to enshrine their specific belief structure into policy. That being said, that is just my pet peeve. What really bugs me is when people call other people Nazis because they don’t like their points of view and that is entirely out of line.
I’m not a Christian, FWIW.
However, there is a strong case for an historical figure as the basis of “Jesus.” “Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed.”
A. What would you have the Israelis who are Jewish do to preserve their majority, should the non-Jews outbreed the former? Push them over the border? Sterilize them? Or what?
B. Most if not all of my Jewish family members would argue that they have all the same freedoms and opportunities here in the USA as does anyone. Some of my Muslim American friends would not feel as happy about our times.
I am not championing Hagel’s candidacy for SecDef. By stating ” a public figure who has been what most regard as a voice of sanity in the midst of crazed rhetoric toward Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas or the Palestinian people themselves.”
Perhaps I confused and enraged you.
Thanks for not using CAPs…..
Also, my use of the term “sacred masterpiece” in regard to Bach’s Johannes-Passion, defines its acknowledged place in the musical canon, rather than fetishizes it as you seem to imply.
OMIGOD, the prosemitism!!! When will it ever end?
ET, I think that the zionists are feeling the heat and are lashing out to try to cow critics into silence and allowing the likudnik govt to do as it pleases. The zionists are rejectionist in terms of any settlement with the Palestinians but want the world to see that the war making might of the Palestinians is nearly overwhelming the israeli state which is certainly not the same as the Jews.
For a link worth reading, go here.
Ah, the unmaking of Saul. Great article, BearCountry.
He does that a lot, don’t let it get to you.
mfi
Have you considered changing your user name to “Vote Yisrael Beiteinu”? Or perhaps you’d like to go all the way and change it to “Vote Avigdor Lieberman”.
mfi
You know Philip in one way this sort of deranged outburst is a good thing. It’s a sign that the Zionists are starting to feel the heat in the same way – and for the reasons, that their political allies in the Nasionale Party van Suid-Afrika did.
Recommended and keep up the good work.
mfi
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thanks
To me, the best evidence that Jesus existed is that you simply can’t make up characters so unique and distinctive. For the same reason, I believe that there is a historical basis for all Biblical characters beginning with Abraham. Jesus, of course, comes much later, in fully historic Roman times.
I have no doubt that that Jesus was a very holy and great teacher, a revolutionary religious thinker, whose greatness was trampled upon (and who was dehumanized) by those who falsely called him “God.”
Congratulations on getting front-paged. I don’t know whether I should interpret this as from-the-top validation for your argument, but I sure think it should be.
Well said.
Thank you. It’s gotten a little dull seeing every criticism of Israeli government policy get shot down by the same troop of dogmatic trolls. If “you’re an anti-Semite” is the best “defense” they have for Israel’s actions, then maybe they have nothing worth saying at all.
As usual, you’re wrong.
Jesus of Nazareth died a good and pious Jew. After his death the Romans razed Jerusalem twice 70CE and again 125CE. Jews who followed Jesus (Nazareans) as good pious Jews were either wiped out or had to renounce faith in Jesus to remain in Temple.
That’s where the anti-semitism comes from in the NT, especially Matthew’s Gospel. Former Jews who were pissed off at being thrown out. What emerged was a hellenized form of Jesus’ preaching, especially in Paul’s Greek churches, which washed the “Jewishness” out of Jesus and his Jewish disciples. He caught flack for including Samaritans in his message, there’s zero evidence he was trying to start a new religion. Matthew 10:5 “These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not.”
That’s what arguments among the Nazarenes sounded like before 70CE.
Jesus’ brother, James the Just, (not one of the 12) took over the business after Jesus died. He negotiated a deal with Paul in about 49CE. In return for gold Paul could baptize Greeks but not circumcise them. That probably played a role in James getting thrown off the roof of the Temple. (That’s what stoning was. They threw you off a high place and then finished you off with stones).
Numerous non-canonical sources confirm Jesus and his family were real.
Paul was much more seminal in the development of the religion than is widely understood. His line from Galatians 3:28 thunders across the centuries. “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
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I think my argument is that a highly regarded academic like Prof. Walzer should be held to strict standards regarding his facts, particularly when he sloppily maligns the elected representatives of a large religious sect – the Presbyterian National Assembly – all but accusing them of a hate crime, when the facts support their longtime activism on a range of civil rights issues in many countries other than the one Walzer accuses them of singling out.
caleb36 @27 has a good point. I would suggest an archeological source: The Jesus Discovery, by Tabor and Jacobovici. The book discusses a tomb site and the ossurary contents. It also shows how cavalierly and sloppily the archeological sites were handled by the Israeli antiquities people.
What a thread into which to step the first day after the end of the world!
I’d rather step into a pit of vipers.
Look, calling anger at actions and/or critiquing them is not hatred.
This is not intended in any way as a defense of Christianity or religion, it isn’t. It’s simply an attempt to historically document the tensions that have always existed within the Judaeo-Christian tradition.
I don’t. Many of the early characters seem drawn from pre-existing Sumerian and Babylonian myth figures. And events – such as the flood. I regard Moses as a figure similar to Odysseus or Aeneas. Very little or no archeological evidence supports many biblical claims, all the way up through the time of Solomon and beyond. For instance, David could not have had the agricultural basis to support the 900,000 men at arms claimed in 2nd Samuel. That is, if there were a “David.” He may be just another Hector or Jason.
To which actions are you referring?
I think that when the zionists are in defensive mode, all pretense at civil discourse and academic objectivity is discarded. It is a case of full-bore attack and take no prisoners. I really think that the worst thing that has happened to the zionists and the likudniks is the internet with all of its extensions. Things that were hidden for them by the m$m are now exposed. The only defense possible is more attacks, both on critics by ad hominem, and on Palestinians by weapons.
The hatred spewed.
And certainly not you. You are the voice of reason, and I commend your willingness to voice it.
There is so much pain in this world that gets expressed in any way other than owning it. Pain that demands for some a backlash pointing at others for it.
To whom are you referring?
Yes!
If the shoe fits….
I agree bringing this subject to the fore can be “like a pit of vipers.” I’ve had to put more thought into it than I might have otherwise, being probably the only American artist ever denounced in front of a joint session of his or her state legislature as an anti-Semite, back in 2004.
Getting anger and hatred mixed up has been a part of my growing up, which I suppose, even at the middle of my 7th decade is still in process.
There is a finite difference between them, and examining behavior during periods of anger is a process that operates on a continual basis for me. Is hatred involved?
Look at Jesus and the driving of the money changers from the temple. He was violent but I did not detect hatred as a factor.
Of course, I wasn’t there!
Eventually these crazy old reactionaries will be gone, and a new day of increased tolerance will come to the world. I believe the next generations (for the most part) will lead us to a better time. I want to be optimistic about something these days.
Thanks for the post, ET. Needs to be said. Again and again, sadly.
Someone posted this on my FB, here’s a link to poets, “We teach life, Sir.”
I guess that I misread your statement. Sorry.
Yeah, that’s the deal alright. It’s the STATE DEPARTMENT adopting the RW Zionist meme that any criticism of Zionism and Israeli policy is tantamount to anti-Semitism. I.e., it also tacitly assumes the emotional basis on RW Zionists (and their fronts like AIPAC and AJC) blackmail and control of foreign policy discussion, especially in the US, that Judaism (a religion) is the same as Zionism (a political movement). While this actual distinction is becoming more and more moot — not just accidentally — since by now most educated (media??) and uneducated people alike don’t understand the difference, it’s consequences should still be obvious to a people who theoretically acknowledge separation of church and state.
No problem.
You just noticed? It’s been going on for decades ;-)
Do an internet search for Mithra. The “Jesus” figure is common to many religions that predate Christianity as is the concept of the Golden Rule.
It’s all just part of a system to exercise control over the ignorant masses of “believers”.
Blind adherence to a religion that places it members above the rest of humanity is psychopathic.
No, I noticed long ago and have been saying so for quite a long time. I did change my view after many years of not looking closely enough, but the change came many years ago.
and seemingly everlasting.
thought so ;-)
How’s that going with the ANC in charge? The miners are now being shot by a Back Government.
Thoughts on
CarelessDeliberateor IrresponsibleUse of the Term “Anti-Semite” for Political Gain.Your title suggests the use of “anti-semite” is not calculated.
I don’t want Walzer held to account to the standards of politics, but to the standards of the level of academia to which he is acknowledged to have risen. Political standards are always subjective, whereas academic standards of truth can be rigorous.
He should be called upon to apologize to the Presbyterian General Assembly, no more, no less.
So Jesus is God, is he? And the Holy Spirit is God, right? And God is God, correct? Then what we have here is a very busy and over scheduled god, what with doing the work of 3 in 1. Maybe, it’s just that God is tired and weary and his answer to our common prayer ( brokering a peace agreement ) has been turned over to our State Dept. and it’s political arm, AIPAC. Which also has strong business ties in the Middle East and the U.S. to consider, after all. Maybe god doesn’t have an MBA in Metallurgy and can’t figure out how to beat plows into advanced weapon systems. Too bad for all us, there. It would sure help the bottom line right now. In regards to the Arab-Israeli conflict and the disputed settlements, etc, etc I am often comforted by a great Jewish thinker, born in America. ” The lamb may lie down with the lion, but the lamb won’t get much sleep. ” Woody Allen
I just sent the following to Prof. Walzer:
Thank you Edward Teller for your thoughtful comments. I for one thinks there needs to be balance in criticism. Apparently I was the only one who asked sites to apologize for the ridiculous vicious comment that an Israeli missile struck the Pentagon on 9/11 rather than the US seizing pictures that might show top secret construction techniques.
A lot of people who like Israel are furious at the term Israeli Apartheid. I hope someone will correct me, but as far as I can tell all the Southern Africa mini states went to great lengths to cooperate with South Africa, similar to the legionary Uncle Tom who was trusted by his master to take some other slaves across a free state without the slaves he was escorting know they were crossing free territory and didn’t have to continue.
If someone could find a bantaustan leader who asserting themselves against South African oppression then the term Israeli apartheid would make sense. Otherwise is is a term that can only lead to ever more strive as to pressure Palestinians leaders never to cooperate with any Israeli.
http://www.google.com/search?q=black+homelands+south+africa&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=IEq&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=BQLWUO5qyZTRAZTugcgP&ved=0CEMQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=603
Are you saying installed puppets speak for the oppressed? Would you say Vichy and Quislings spoke for the French and Norwegians during the 40′s?
That is good for a chuckle. It’s really the first time that I’ve heard that one.
So the forcing of a group to have different license plates, pass through check points, be evicted from homes on the whim of the govt, be subjected to assassination on the barest of flimsy evidence, and on and on don’t count as apartheid. It is only if the leaders of the oppressed group cooperate can it be called apartheid. Perhaps “ethnic cleansing” of the Palestinians from wherever the Israeli govt wants to claim the land is a better term.
Wonderful perspective of an Israeli woman living near the border with Gaza having compassion and empathy for what the Gazans are undergoing. Her view is that every time Israel attacks Gaza her own community suffers more from the retaliations. Well worth reading.
With very few changes, this could be about the US’s behavior in our world also.
Edward just wanted to stir some shit up with this little tirade. Got what you wanted Teller?
Wow! I am sobbing and sobbing from watching Rafeef speak her poem!
How kind of you, seaglass.
The religions of today are the myths of tomorrow.
The happenstance of one’s birth makes the notion of nationalism and the allegiance to a flag or particular religion absurd.
American bankers, British bankers, Jewish bankers, German bankers are all the same; these fascist sell war to the masses for the benefit of the few. Wars have been always sold to the poor masses who fight them under the guise of self preservation of their “unique way of life” but in fact are just resource wars for continued imperialism.
World governments are being controlled by corporations. The average Israeli and Palestinian are not born to hate each other, they are programmed to hate.
Thanks for the link. I was just now able to go there. Powerful, and, yes, the problem is political. The attempts to scrub that from what is happening just exacerbates it. The likudnik view simply dominates the m$m so it’s hard to get the truth of what is happening to the large majority of our population.
If you look carefully at the history of, for instance, Jews and Muslims you don’t see a lot of hate. I think you will find a good comment on your point here.
There are many Jews who are very much against Zionism, how ever it seems that anyone against Zionism is considered anti semitic, could you clarify this?
In other words, you have no counterargument that would stand up to scrutiny, but you know you’re expected to say something, so you lob a non sequitur.
Glenn Greenwald and others discussed the anti-Semitism smear against Hagel this morning on MSDCC.
Historically, Jews and Muslims have gotten along quite well, with some obvious exceptions. I think this is more about being bullies than being Jews.
An excellent addendum to my earlier point.
On a recent trip to Andalusia, I learned how Jews, Christians and Muslims lived together for the most part peacefully for 500 years prior to the Reconquista, in particular the city of Cordoba.
For most of the past two thousand years, Muslims and Jews in Palestine got on a lot better with each other than either group did with Christians. When Ferdinand of Aragon succeeded in taking the last bit of Al-Andalus (aka Moorish Spain) from the Emirate of Granada, he immediately engaged in an ethnic cleansing that saw many Jews as well as Muslims fleeing to North Africa and other Muslim-controlled lands. It was only as a result of the British partitioning of the Near and Middle East that Muslims and Jews found themselves pitted against each other — something that the British, whose own empire was based on the concept of ‘divide and rule’, know how to do well. (Ever wonder, for instance, why it’s much easier and faster to get from Cardiff to London than it is to go from Cardiff to Angelsey? The British didn’t want the Welsh overly united.)
Easy to do with that particular person.
Exactly. You will see a similar pattern with the recent deranged howlings of Wayne LaPierre. They know their position is increasingly untenable, so they have to redouble their efforts to stigmatize any effort to examine it.
Yes, I certainly do not think that this is really a Jew vs. Muslim impass. As I said above, ‘hate’ is not the feature of their relationship. There is a book, The Ornament of the World by Maria Rosa Menocal, that examines the Muslim-Jewish-Christian world of Spain 711-1492. If you have time check out my link @71, it’s about 40 seconds long.
I thought that your comment @6 was quite something. I imagine that you had to pick your jaw off of the floor.
Thanks for the link, BC.
For those who haven’t clicked on it, it’s the story of a resident of Sderot, an Israeli city near the Gazan border, and of how life there has become a living hell over the past few decades of increasing Likudnik-sponsored militarism. Here’s a taste:
Yeah, we all had to. We just gaped at each other while the rant got louder and the guy’s face got redder. It was something to behold.
Shades of Wayne LaPierre — the guy deep down knew there was no way he could morally defend his calling for the murder of those children, just as LaPierre deep down knows there’s no way he can morally and tacitly justify the murder of the Newtown children, so the reaction is to scream and rant and otherwise do anything, anything to shut down efforts to criticize and to cow the critics into silence.
This says more about you than you realize, you know.
Moses, in particular, is an example of the argument I was trying to make, that the characters of the main Biblical figures are too unique and distinctive to have been made up out of whole cloth. What a character Moses is in the Torah! Dealing with God as a colleague, not a superior. Confronting Pharoah and heroically leading a slave revolt. Flying into rages against the Israelites for their iniquity and stupidity (e.g., smashing the tablets of the law in front of them). Acting as a canny politician by facing down an egalitarian challenge against the “populist” Korah. Tragically, losing his leadership “touch” at the end of his long life when, in Numbers, he lashes out at the Israelites unjustly for complaining about lack of water. And, as well, showing shocking, genocidal brutality in war making.
All of this simply couldn’t have been made up. For one thing, it is most unlikely that an ancient people would have traced their background to a slave origin unless there was truth to this. As for David, he was almost certainly a historical personage. The conflict among archaeologists (I regularly read Biblical Archaeology, an excellent popular source) is whether the ancient city of Jerusalem had its origin in the 10th Century B.C. with David, or if David in fact was really a small-scale chieftain, with the construction of Jerusalem in fact carried out by later monarchs, in the 9th Century B.C. or later.
One of the fascinating features of the Hebrew Bible, to me, is how it slides from pure mythology at its beginning, to indisputable history at the end (e.g., the Babylonian sacking of Jerusalem in 586 B.C., and the later return of a small number of Jewish exiles from Babylonian captivity), with the chronological dividing line between myth and history a matter of uncertainty and controvery.
One final note about Abraham and his family. I agree that Abraham is a much more stylized character than his purported grandson and grandson, Isaac and Jacob. It is my pet theory that Abraham actually lived scores or hundreds of years before the other two, as the entire historical landscape appears completely different in the Abraham stories. Abraham may indeed be a composite of different characters with a good deal of myth mixed in. Jacob and Joseph, by contrast, are very realistically depicted with all the mastery of a great modern novelist. Joseph at least, I believe, was definitely a historical character, belonging to the Semitic tribes who inhabited non-Semitic Egypt, and through his cunning and intelligence, rising to the position of Grand Vizier.
Just like sharonsj won’t answer my question about Palestinian children being indiscriminately slaughtered by the IDF. Would she likewise remain silent about the US drone strikes that take out children in Pakistan and Afghanistan? I don’t see any difference between calling people who are anti Israeli policy “anti Semitic” and calling people who are against the CIA torturing people or murdering through remote drone strikes “unAmerican”. None.
Mahalo, ET, and I see that some of the ‘usual suspects’ showed up…!
Here’s a great clip… The Zionist Story…
Hmmm… The Zionist Story…
Correction, I meant to say Abraham’s grandson and great-grandson, Jacob and Joseph. Isaac, Abraham’s son, is a very sketchy figure. According to one Jewish interpretation of the text, Abraham actually did sacrifice Isaac at the age of 13 on Mount Moriah, and the Bible was trying to cover this fact. (The Biblical text says that Abraham descended from Mount Moriah. It does not mention Isaac. Where was he? Probably dead.)
Not to mention fictitious.
Isaac is a requirement for the Jacob-Esau story.
jesus!
And for about 70% of Americans this programming seems to work just fine. Why worry about the other until that time when you become one. Why can Jewish bankers and Arab bankers eat in a 4 star restaurant in NYC without throwing knives at each other? One’s religion calls for the ” death to the infidels ” as a central tenet, no less. What do they share that dulls the urge? The steak tartar, saffron chicken or the wild rabbit ragu? Religion is important in its’ ability to ease the conscience of the perps in the temple who haven’t been driven out, fallen behind on their dues or been discovered, quite yet. IMO: the militarization of religion for profit is in a dead heat for the 2nd oldest profession known to mankind. And, increasingly indistinguishable as formalized gov’t policy at home and abroad.
If you are referring to Islam, their religion goes on to instruct them that other “people of the book”, (Christians and Jews), are not, in fact, infidels and therefore should be tolerated and even allowed to practice their faith.
I’d like to point out that you can have no dog in this Mid-East fight, and still object strongly to using MY MONEY to strengthen one side of a conflict. I suppose that’s anti-Semitic too.
Thank You
Thank You PW, Margaret, and ET
this is, in fact, a thoughtful and well reasoned diary and your comment is frankly just vacuous trolling of it.
I stand to be corrected but I can’t recall Randall Kohn ever putting forth an actual argument based on or bolstered by facts or reasoning. All I can recall is hubris, withering condescension and hate. But maybe he has posted in threads having nothing to do with Israel in a more thoughtful fashion and I’ve missed it.
Thanks, Kurt. You’re right about Randall also. Drive-by paintball shooters…
Or spitballs…
Without cyber-anonymity ,I don’t know of any non-Jews who will engage the Jewish community on Israel .Understandably , Jews don’ trust non-Jews,and hence form their friendships in a comfort zone of familiarity and trust .Here in Berkeley,gentiles trash Israel the same as Jews trash Israel ,no more ,no less .However ,we all have Jewish friends ,because Berkeley works really hard to break down walls ,but why would we want to win an argument about Israel with our friends ?
When some Zionist wants to engage us about the settlers ,what rational person would take on such an emotionally -driven subject ? What Dershowitz and ilk don’t understand is that they didn’t silence anti-Semites ,but rather the non-Jews who had previously defended Israel before its unfettered barbarity.As one whose parents bought Israel bonds and dragged me to see Abba Eban ,I can honestly say I don’t give a fuck about Israel anymore .It’s just another strangely mapped country in the Middle East .
I think this is important because my defense of Israel ,as well as millions of other non-Jew defenders of the Israel state who never countenance anti-Semetic rants will no longer be the buffers when “”these Kikes” rants come into our lives via strangers and peripheral family Now I just leave and seek less toxic atmosherics .
I hear more anti-Semitism now than in my 60 years of life ,yet I don’t think there are more anti -Semites ,I believe there are far fewer buffers to inhibit them as social pariahs .Dershowitz and ilk made it clear we ,and the self-loathers , are not welcome in the debate,and now we have moved on to more important issues .
Now , the impact can be seen when culturally isolated Jews analyze hate groups .They conclude there is a rise ,but the real rise is in anti-government groups .What any decent gentile could have told them is that circa half of these anti-government groups are fronts for anti-Semetic and racist recruiting .Militias are too underground for any worthwhile analyses .
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*heh* Ya need your old handle back, bw…? ;-)
A call to Bev and et voila! See you later, my friend.
I’ve never seen Randall on any thread that wasn’t I/P related…! 8-(
Bev is da Bomb…! ;-)
How generous of them all. I should feel relieved these three are only supported by 51% of our federal budget (DOD, etc). The MIC would just have to invent some other large religious conflict to justify the votes of their Southern Republican base. In the 2003 vote to authorize the Iraq War the tally was 74-26, in favor. Guess which side of the aisle the 26 came from?
The incident as described in Genesis is probably fictitious. There is a historical resonance to the story, however, in that it marks a threshold after which human sacrifice was no longer acceptable. Abraham, or those on whom his character is based, likely fell on the earlier side of of the dividing line. In Jewish theology, the sacrifice of Isaac is an absolutely central incident.
Jews will argue that Arabs have a right to be called Semites. I know because I have been argued with over that point more than once.
I’m afraid that I don’t recall the reasoning, though.
Sorry. The above post should read “Some Jews will argue…”
Plenty of other reasons for the left to object to Hagel.
Contrary to popular belief (and Shahs of Sunset), only a small minority of Iranians are Persian.
How on earth would you know that? I’m lucky if I know my own mind, let alone the minds and hearts of people I never met and whose lives I cannot begin to imagine.
Excellent point. That never occurred to me.
Michael Walzer has responded to my letter, posted here at comment #61. I’ve written back, and if this is productive, and he gives me permission, I’ll use it as the basis of another post.
If you have a direct quote from the Qu’ran, or can cite chapter and verse that I can look up myself, I would be very interested in seeing it.
Clearly, neither Jews nor Christians believe that Muhammed was God’s greatest prophet and the Qu’ran is the only message from God that Jews and Christians have not messed up. And Christians have the added fault of believing that Jesus is not only the greatest prophet, but divine to boot.
Obviously, the beliefs of both Jews and Christians would be heretical if a Muslim mouthed them. That is the very definition of an infidel. Yet, Sharia law supposedly prohibits Muslims from using the word “kaffir” to describe a Jew or a Christian. Not using a particular word, however, may be different from not believing all non-Muslims are infidels.
Also, there are many definitions of something like “jihad.” Most Muslims would say it has nothing to do with killing people of other religions. Yet we know that some very devout, learned and religious Muslims clearly believe that killing people of other religions, be they Christian or Buddhist or whatever, has something to do with being Muslim.
It’s complicated.