This is ridiculous, but maybe it is time to talk about it some more:
I’m a blogger, not a journalist, reporter or commentator for anything remotely resembling the mainstream media. But I got journalism training, took journalism classes, was news director for one radio station and public affairs director for another. Years and years and years ago.
There’s a rule called “first reference.” In my blog articles, when I link to an article from the New York Times, the first time I mention that paper, it is the “New York Times.” From then on, it is the “NYT,” which is accepted blog shorthand. I even italicize New York Times and NYT. When I remember. But I don’t remember why I do that. I think it is from a style book.
When someone is first mentioned in a news story, their first and last name should be typed out. From then on, their last name can be used as a reference to that person. When the first and last name of a person is used as the initial reference to that person, this is called first reference.
The purpose of only using the persons last name through out the rest of the story, is to keep the article brief and straight to the point
The Associated Press and New York Times have style books. The AP calls theirs a stylebook, the NYT‘s is a style guide.I still have my pre-WWW copy of the AP Stylebook. There are a lot of other style books and manuals out there, and many mainstream publications or organizations have their own rules.
In the MSNBC segment, they mention that reporters or TV commentators sometimes go as far as first name on second reference (2nd reference means all references after the first one). In Alaska, we’re probably more that way than any other state, because so many people know each other.
It wasn’t just Sarah. It is Lisa and Don and Mark and so on. Until he died, it was Ted, or St. Ted.
Interestingly, nobody – I mean nobody – calls our current governor “Sean.” Most Alaskans don’t consider him one of us. I like Don’s (Rep. Don Young’s) name for him best – “Captain Zero,” which describes what Parnell is – a cypher .
I decided back in late 2009 to not EVER describe our current president as “President Obama” unless it was absolutely required for sake of accuracy. At the same time, I promised I’d honor him with his formal title if he did any of the following:
1). Evacuate the torture camp at Guantanamo Bay
2). Prosecute and imprison at least one of the many torturers or murderers we have employed there, and now shelter.
3). Prosecute and imprison at least five major banksters for their crimes that cost us trillions.
Since then, I’ve gotten new gripes, but if he did any of the above three, I’d begin to address him by the ceremonial title he owns in name. But I never call the guy “OilyBomber” or “Obomber,” or whatever. Nor am I willing to call him “Barack.”
Besides, didn’t we have a revolution between 1775 and 1781 that was supposed to end the concept of royalty and high titles?
What do you think?



31 Comments

First of all, Martin Bashir has zero tolerance for criticism of Obama. And Toure- OMG. Incredulous.
What do I think? Their gods are not my gods, and this amerika. Maybe they ought to move to ToryLandia, or Saudi Arabia – like you said. I’m still calling bush “chimpy”, but respectfully, I’ll only call him the big zero.
These pretentious primadonnas would be better suited to writing an Ann Landers or Dear Abby Column on etiquette.
Where were these nuevo riche debutants of the New World Order when Obama needed sage advise on protocol, pomp and circumstance?
I think those people would be very welcome at Daily Kos. It’s funny but some of those readers will go after a diarist or commentator for not using the word President” in each and every mention of Obama but if a front pager or Markos does the same thing, they experience only fawning praise. I don’t need sycophants for allies. Sycophants don’t have principles and when someone or something comes along and impresses them more, their fake philosophy changes.
And you don’t find calling a black man “chimpy” a wee bit racist? Chimp or Chimpy was commonly used as an epithet for George W Bush, whether using it for Obama is racist or not, it’s sort of confusing.
I’m not a journalist, either, and I wouldn’t honor the vast majority of talking heads with that moniker, but I did take a journalism class back in the day and was taught exactly what you described.
I think this pattern of supporters referring to a President as “President Whoever” and opponents calling him “Mr Whoever” goes way back, perhaps to the beginning of the republic.
I know for a fact it was true of FDR when he was president, and has been true for every president in my lifetime. Personally, I usually have a preference for accuracy, so you don’t often see me write “Obomba” and, even though I left the party in disgust in 2009, it still rankles me when Republicans refer to the “Democrat Party.” That’s just not its name.
You make a good point, though. Rec’d.
A good list, and a good demarcation of respect v. no respect, even if I’d tweak it a bit for myself.
I almost always use ‘Obomba’, let people forget who he is and what he does to brown and black people around the globe in the Incessant War on ‘Terror’.
A Margaret: check again; kisses frogs said: ‘I’m still calling bush “chimpy”, and the rest about ‘zero’ seems to refer to Obomba.
Yeppers; that was a real Algonquin Round Table of a panel discussion. ‘Krystal Ball’? Parents did that to her? My stars.
Our POTUS is the best he gets from me, Obomber in context with comments referring to the wanton use of remote piloted aircraft killing non-combatants.
Three occasions on local webs (WI) taken to task about your theme in no uncertain terms.
Tangentially I am tired of Obots as an adjective, Obamatron©(ic)(s), Obamatic.
Then again we also have “Governor,” Scooter to contend with, along with his dreaming that we might soon need to title him more respectfully. Off on a China trade junket to get his foreign policy experience. Backstage “Gofer,” to the Kochs fits for now.
With apologies to Billy Joel:
He can kill with a smile
He can wound with his eyes
He can ruin your faith with his casual lies
And he only reveals what he wants you to see
He hides like a child,
But he’s always an asshole to me
I will give o respect when he respects me and the rest of the 99%. Until then, I don’t think anyone has any trouble figuring out the reference. The same applies to the nyt and wapo as well as the rest of our ‘leaders’ and ‘pundits.’
LOL! But…ya might need to tweak the last line for the right meter to:
“But he’s always…been an asshole to me.”
War criminals, mass murderers, serial killers, and brazen thieves do not command or deserve respect.
Thanks, Wendy! Are you sure about the meter?
Billy Joel:
“But she’s always a woman to me”
Anyway, please continue using Obomba! Considering all he’s done and all the crimes he’s committed, I’d say you’re showing a great deal of restraint when you call him “Obomba.” I’m sure you’ve thought of much worse monikers for him!
Yep. Her father has a doctorate in physics and did his dissertation on crystals: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/10/krystal-ball-photos-leaked-by.html
I find her mildly annoying. She comes off as a ditzier version of Karen Finney.
Love it.
Corresponding with markfromireland yesterday about Amurrikuns being suspicious of people who appear knowledgable, I recalled a quote attributed to Winston Churchill: “America is the first country which went from Barbarism to Decadence, without a certain intervening period of civilization.”
I’ve been looking for a definitive worldwide web style guide, and haven’t been able to find one.
No dear; I don’t really remember the song or the phrasing, but reading it aloud…made it sound that way. But good- on that Fractured Bill Joel, lol!
ROTFLMAO! Reminds me of the famous Gandhi quote as well: Western civilization, etc. ‘I think it would be a good idea’…said in his crisp and precise diction.
Can’t think what to say, but whoosh; what a sucky voice and name. Sounds more like a pole dancer…
At Idle No More in Anchorage yesterday, there were many wise Alaska and Canada Natives who made similar comments.
I was at a reunion party for old Democratic political staff in Illinois. Each attendee was given a tag with the emblem “Obama 44″ on it. What was interesting to me is that many, maybe most, of the attendees did not wear this tag. Obama is not popular among Democrats. Unfortunately, they have done nothing to oppose him.
I can imagine, ET. What a day yesterday was, my stars! This movement is so encouraging, and spreading. Yesterday, besides Anchorage and Yellowknife, there were huge round dances in Winnipeg, Ottawa, and Toronto again.
You likely saw that Theresa Spence didn’t attend the meeting with the Governor General since Harper wouldn’t be there.
In any event, the Mohawk Nations folks said it was mainly puppet tribal leaders who were invited, and that may be so. I know how it is with many of the SW tribal leaders…
The sovereignty issue is a truly thorny one, and it will be interesting to see how far that idea takes root. Some spokespeople, and I don’t remember what if any, positions they hold, call it nonsense, and a non-starter, and that People’s needs and respect should be enough. I just dunno.
But if I understand the theme correctly, the Turtle Island name for North America indicates understanding that all Indigenous on the land mass have suffered permanent colonization, and need to throw off those shackles. Many black people believe the same, understandably.
Anyhoo, how inspirational, and I hope it spreads further in these lands (even beyond the XL pipeline, which is understandably iconic. Oops; how I did gargle on. Sorry.
Thanks, Wendy.
Here’s my diary on Friday’s Anchorage Idle No More rally.
Wiki: “The phrase “Uncle Tom” is an epithet for a person who is slavish and excessively subservient to perceived authority figures, particularly a black person who behaves in a subservient manner to white people; or any person perceived to be a participant in the oppression of their own group.”
This definition fits the guy somewhat, but in a slick, corporate-lawyer kind of way. Hence, I wouldn’t use the term. The media are the suck-up’s suck-ups.
I’m loving it, but then I love Billy Joel’s songs…
What do I think? Edward Teller, I can hardly utter his name any longer, and have resorted to O, in the unfortunate event it is necessary to refer to him at all.
The term I use depends on the listeners. If I’m grinding some dumbass right wing trolls I’ll always use ‘President Barak Obama’. If the conversation is amongst sane people I may refer to him as ‘Obama’. He’s a representative of the people, and only a simple person himself, but I don’t use the term disrespectfully. Which doesn’t mean I can’t, or won’t. But it will be obvious.
I too use the old style books from J School (Journalism School). I’ve even got a UPI style book from the 1970s, before they got bought out. I collect those style books: I use them to reminisce: I get nostalgic over them, but I don’t read them very much anymore.
(To benefit future digito-archaeologists and cultural anthropologists, blogging here I use a slightly more archaic style than I was actually taught in J School.)
I try to remember to italicize New York Times and NYT. Depending on the rhythm of the article, I might not – but usually do – call him “US President Barack Obama” on the first reference, but I’m not judgmental about people using a different style, or not adhering to a particular style.
One thing important for me is to treat Obama in commentary the same as I treated Bush, Bush, Reagan, Ford, and Nixon; the same as I treated Clinton and Carter. A President is usually called by his last name, and held ultimately responsible for all the crimes and achievements of his Administration and underlings.
If an Obama appointee or Government employee does it, the buck stops at the President.
I usually try to not call Mrs. Clinton “Hillary,” except as Hillary Clinton or “Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.” This become especially important when a writer is criticizing her, or any woman, or any member of a minority or disadvantaged group.
There is a tendency to demean public figures, to try to diminish their importance, by calling them by their first names. I think of the 1992 Democratic Primaries, when Governors Clinton, Brown, Tsongas, Mario Cuomo, and Senators Harken and Bob Kerrey were taken much more serious than was Jesse. If he were called “Reverend Jackson” more often, he might have sounded as impressive as Governor Bill and Senator Bob.
It has been called Racist or bigoted to refer to the President using his middle name. And referring to him by initials like LBJ or JFK or FDR – if we called him “BHO” – would remind people of Hussein. So, to refer to him by initials, he might be called BO, which I have used before. Anybody got opinions on that usage?
But really, what is their importance? To vote for bank bailouts, more war funding and the NDAA? To go around the world and make statements, such as Hillary did: “We came, we saw, he died.” when Obama illegally invaded Libya? Just what is their importance? The fact that uninformed majority of the electorate made one of two bad choices when election time came around?
I think diminishing their importance is much more critical than fawning over them. When we call them by their titles, we are saying they are above and apart from the rest of us. They are supposed to be our public servants, and they should be acting like it. I will respect those who respect the will of the people, and they are not doing that, nor do they deserve to be treated as if they are.
Obama is wholly owned by corporations. He should not be called by the title of “President of the United States,” because he does not represent the people of the United States. And really, when the Secretary of State says: ‘I had a wonderful time with him this morning. I really consider President and Mrs. Mubarak to be friends of my family. So I hope to see him often here in Egypt and in the United States,” is she worthy of using that title of respect?
When we us their titles, we kowtow to politicians who are determined to decimate our Treasury, our education system, our Social Security, and our entire planet, and thus we diminish ourselve. I have a feeling protesters in the ’60′s didn’t discuss whether or not they should use “Tricky Dick” when they referred to Nixon. Writers and leaders such as Chris Hedges, Bruce Dixon, Linh Dinh, and Phil Rockstroh don’t make it a point to call politicians by their titles, and in my opinion, neither should American citizens who have been so wronged by these sorry excuses for public servants.
Seriously? This is an issue?
I mean, people were always so respectful of W and Dick.
I’d just as soon have Hussein as a middle name as Delano or Fitzgerald or Baines or Milhouse.
As I stated in the diary, in Alaska we’ve been calling our politicians by their first name as long as I can remember – men and women alike. Palin was the first governor to sanction reporters who did not address her perpetually as “Governor Palin.” I’ve personally called several Alaska governors by their first name when addressing them, both publicly and privately: Jay, Bill, Wally, Steve, Frank and Sarah.
Once, as a reporter for KLAM radio, after calling Sen. Stevens “Senator Stevens,” he took my arm gently, and said, “Just Ted, young man, Ted.”
pogo thinks maybe they isn’t allies.