Jane Hamsher, Matt Kibbe, and Nate Silver with Dylan Ratigan on MSNBC |
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| By: Elliott Tuesday January 19, 2010 3:19 pm | |
Jane, Matt, and Nate talk with Dylan this afternoon about big business and big government, catering to special interests, secret deals, lack of trust, and voter anger.
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Gack!! I just put a link on Scarecrow’s thread to alert readers.
Apologies for the dupe 8-(
But Ratigan’s show is in my top 2 or 3 things online, because he covers the nexis of money and politics like noone else manages to do via the video medium.
Delighted to see Jane articulate as ever, and able to recall that a certain George W Bush was in office the past 8 years.
Mr. Freedomworks may be a perfectly nice guy, but here’s hoping that he manages to recall who’s been running the company for most of the past 30 years before he slams the current state of things. … sigh…
I think Jane’s point about ‘lack of trust’ and ‘same old secret, corporatist business-as-usual’ pretty much sums up much of my own frustration.
Good use of video ;-))
Thanks for putting this up so quickly, Elliott.
Yes, ROTL, I visited our local bookstore and saw loads of “blame Obama” books, fresh off the press. He’s the one giving the cash away to his Wall Street buddies, not Bushco!
As disappointed as I am at Obama currently, it annoys me no end to see how transparent the blame game is. GOP just wants their power back. They’re not going to do anything to change the game.
yeah i know the roles would just be switched if the gop was in power again, so it seems the best course of action is to screw both parties. the dems can’t do anything with less than 60 votes, and the repubs just need 51, so just keep the dems between 50 and 59 and maybe something will change
Makes you wonder if the Dems really want 60 votes. If they actually had 60 votes, then they would have to do something, and I don’t think messing up the status quo is really on their agenda.
Amazing the legislation that bush pushed through without as much of a majority. There are things going on behind the scenes that need to be known. Nobody who knows wants to talk about it.
Fear.
We have a great vid capture crew
Ratigan: “corporate communism”
I like it! I’m going to use it!
Yeah I thought it was an interesting formulation myself…
For cryin’ out loud, I’m sick of this “corporate socialism” and “corporate communism” meme.
There is a well-established term for the merging of business and state, and it is fascism. And when you have Larry Summers and Robert Rubin calling the shots in Washington, it is fascism by definition.
But, while it is acceptable to label anything Left of Limbaugh as commiepinkolibrulsoshyulizm, it is beyond the pale to accurately apply a literal definition, i.e. “fascism,” to the most manifest union of Wall St and Washington DC we’ve ever had in this country.
Why?
Because fascism isn’t a warm & fuzzy term like socialism.
And I viewed it from that link, RoTeaLeaves. Thanks! You gave me a head start, and besides, not everyone reads every single post. A little redundancy is a good thing… like a safety net.
Thank you for posting the vid, Elliot. We don’t do cable, so I wouldn’t have gotten to see it. Jane & Matt were great!
I don’t really miss Olberman or Maddow (kinda hyper) but Dylan Rattigan, I’m sorry I don’t get to see regularly.
No cable in our house, either. Thank the gods and goddesses for the internets’ toobz!
yeah, i echo dosido’s thanks for timely vid putting-upping.
The more i see Ratigan the more i like him. Clearly he has serious respect for Jane. Dig his mohawk too.
Heh. You funny, sharky!
Glad Dylan Ratigan is doing his thing now, but can’t entirely get over fact that until last year Dylan was one of the biggest cheerleaders for the runaway markets, come on..hosting a show for years called Fast Money..jeez.
Love Dylan–watch him every day. I missed him while he was off. It was great to see Jane on today. Agree with someone above–both parties are as corrupt as heck—just have different names.
el pueblo unido jamás será vencido…
The left and right coming together scares the pants of the establishment.This is a video by people who feel towards the republicans what most progressives feel about the domecrats .
It brought tears to my eyes .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqNlQnvOJb8&feature=player_embedded
A people united can never be defeated .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwiML8pCB7E
The voters still want change. That’s the good news?!
Well, on Wall Street it certainly is.
On Wall Street though, they have seen the Clintons come and the Bushes go. Now they have the perfect combination of both in Barack Obama.
On Wall Street, in other words, the more things change the more they stay exactly the same. Well, either that or they get a lot better.
Soryy, we need more than change that goes around and around in circles.
President Obama, you can thank Axelrod, the Clintons, all of the DLC, Emmanuel, and the Dem establishment for the shape you and the Dems are now in.
Now to get those independents to think in terms of other than just two parties and away from the idea that one is wasting one’s vote by voting for other than a Dem or Repub.
Obama responds:
“You don’t see the Big Picture. When David, Tim, Larry, Bill, Hillary, Rahm and I bolt to the Republican Party in 2012, things will become a lot clearer. Until then, power to the people!!”
thank you Jane!
and it’s not corporate communism, it’s corporate Fascism!
Citizen posaune:
Corporatism, it’s Mussolini fascism and it’s been our politics since the corporate oligarchy captured the Democratic Party in 1946. We can change it but not unless we kill the healthcare bill and reduce ObamaRahma to the White House Rose Garden…AND of course put Howard Dean in charge of the DNC and blow the fuckin’ fascists out of existance in 2012. This has the advantage to Obama of savin’ his sorry, scrawny ass in 2012 but it puts us a full 4 years behind in endin the war and throwin a bunch a bankers into Leavenworth.
of course! except, “corporate fascism” is redundant!
Not too many people seem to want to use the word that describes the situation.
Jane …excellent as always on TV. I am so grateful to you.
I think the best explanation is the simplest: we all CRAVED change, voted for it, and didn’t get it.
sad but true
Eli is upstairs!
MA-SEN Election Results
nicely put and true dat, ubetch
Thanks for posting this, Elliott. I too no longer have MSNBC, quit satellite over a year ago.
Dylan gave about equal time to Jane and Matt, Ratigan seemed less interested in what Nate had to say, and he only talked once. Nate says at about 3:09 into the video “I don’t think anyone in Washington buys into the critiques that people on both sides of the aisle have …” Well of course not, they live in their own plastic bubble – who cares what ‘ordinary people’ think?
Jane did her usual outstanding job of not only being concise on the topic at hand, but also mixing in some historic perspective on the past administration as well. Way to go Jane!
Kibbe mentioned collusion between big corporations and big government, but convenienty forgot to mention it was also a hallmark of the Bush administration. I did like his point about a lack of transparency, though. Seems like I’ve heard the same thing here at FDL, for like nearly the past 9 months at least!
This exchange was good, Ratigan is demonstrating to the viewers that there is deserved criticism here, and further, that the criticism is coming from ‘serious people’ on both the right and the left.
Didn’t like the “corporate communism” term though; maybe it rings bells for some pavlovian crowd out there, but it didn’t do anything for me. I prefer the term “corporate welfare.”
Thanks pastfedup; I thought I heard the same thing and even though I replayed it, I wasn’t sure I heard him correctly until you pounced on that VERY telling statement.
Until relatively recently I was someone who preferred the complex and sophisticated over the simple and direct.
I’ve recently had some second thoughts about that because I get the feeling that we sophisticates are easily led by the nose.
Thank you Jane, for a simple and straight forward moment, on television no less.
Calmly stated observations, no hype, no yelling, nobody talking over each other, priceless.
There is hope.
People know the problems as this piece showed.
The electorate again chooses to fix the problem by switching parties. Whether to make a point, or effect change.
Electing a Republican because Your upset what the Democrats are doing, is just picking a different pile of shit. You still end up with a pile of shit.
The continuing downfall of this Nation is confirmed everyday by the way people view politics.
The only way to get change and solve our prolems is to denounce our present form of politics, and all the parts of it.
The people have not yet ate enough bullets, and probably never will, at least in time to save the very Country they claim to love so.
Of course, we have to go further than an acknowledgement of the fact that the Democratic Party_ while not the whores of Cartel America, that the Republicans are_ is still riddled with the same disease, in PART. Which means_ that if we do not correct the systemic corruption of campaign financing, then we will be forever thrashing around in the quicksand of the CONSEQUENCE of same, rather than going to the ROOT of the problem. The question is_ HOW? SPECIFICALLY_ HOW? To focus on any other consideration is ILLOGICAL! I think we are finally realizing the URGENCY of this problem. And REMEMBER!_ if a Republican wins the Presidency in 2012, or 2016, the five fascist Justices of the supreme Court will become a 6-3, 0r 7-2, majority!
Am I giving you NIGHTmares?
I certainly… HOPE!
Viewed it on MSNBC.com online for those that don’t have cable. It was a great interview and Jane shined as usual. You could see that Ratigan has respect for her and he gave Jane the last word. Cheers.
The Freedom Works guy wasn’t too bad considering but… he was definently off base regarding what the public is mad about. The public isn’t mad about government “spending money we don’t have”, the public is mad about government pouring money into a rathole that calls itself Wallstreet.
If government was just “spending money we don’t have” to keep our teachers and other civil servants on the job, to boost the energy efficiency of our transport systems, boost employment back to full or to keep people in thier homes…. people wouldn’t be anywhere near as mad.
I think that the ‘change’ Obama thought the ‘people’ wanted was an end to partisan bickering and that the olive branch had to be offered as it were. What he didn’t seem to understand was that the mandate he was given was based on a rejection of the Bush policies and the Republican party that had led us into a terrible mess. In ’08 voters were pissed off at the leaders they felt had brought them to the brink of disaster, in many cases smack dab into disaster, and expected an accounting and a course change. What they got was coddling of the very people who wrecked the train, way to much nice, and the beat to hell engine put right back on the same old track. Instead of ‘the smackdown’ people voted for, Wall Street was courted, wined and dined and given taxpayer backed bonuses. I don’t think average Americans see Government under the Demos working for them but working instead for the fatcats, which is what made them mad in first place.
Its communism because the government own it all by “investment” : http://cafr1.com/ but its got a fascism twist because the corporations (which the government owns) are in bed with government (elected officials) which is as Mussolini defined fascism , a merger or corporate and state.
The thing is America can afford health care, Take 2007 for instance. “Government” took in 14 trillion dollars that year and only 5 trillion of it were from taxes. Where did the rest come from? Their investments…. Government OWNS health insurance industry… Government OWNS big pharma… This is what Americans need to figure out. Elected officials are not telling them about massive conflict of interests. Americans need to demand their money BACK from government. Walter explains it best: http://cafr1.com/TCD.html