Sam Seder (majority.fm) opposes Barack Obama’s usurpation of our constitutional rights. He’s criticized Obama for claiming that he can kill Americans anywhere at any time without judicial oversight. He thinks that Obama has capitulated too far to the banks and that the President’s desire to cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are bad for the country. Sam has used the word “terrible” to describe other significant failings of the President.
But he wants you to vote for Barack Obama because he thinks that’s the only opportunity that progressives will have to push their agenda forward. He thinks that Congress can be made to bend in the People’s direction and against the obvious will of Obama. And, even though Sam admits that Obama’s appointments to the Supreme Court have been less than progressive (Kagan, in particular, is a disappointment), he seems to think that an Obama-appointed Court that votes 9-0 against the people (as it eventually will, whether Obama replaces Ruth Bader Ginsburg or not) is better than a Republican-appointed Court that votes the same way.
Sam Seder has said that if we vote for our interests rather than against them, it is merely a “protest vote” that is “less than useless”. Of course, large numbers of people have been either ignorantly or knowingly (as many did in 1980) voting against their interests for quite some time. Unfortunately, it turns out that we’ve gotten what they voted for: a government that acts against our interests.
I say that it acts against our interests because I believe that our security lies not in the strength of an authoritarian police state but, instead, in our freedom. Our security lies in the ability of The People to control their government and not the other way around. I should note that I’m pretty sure that Sam believes the same things.
But Sam is afraid of the consequences of allowing a Republican to be our next President. He says, without being very specific, that a Republican President would be worse than Obama. I’m not exactly sure what could be worse than the dramatic usurpation of our rights signed in to law by Obama under the NDAA or H.R. 347 or by Eric Holder’s anti-constitutional statement that due process is not necessarily judicial process, but Sam thinks it would be worse to have a Republican President do the same kind of things, although Obama has done more than simply lay the groundwork to make more terrible oppression easier for Republicans to implement.
Sam may believe that our economic conditions would be somewhat better with Obama than with a Republican President, and he is correct to some extent, but Obama has shown time and again that his sympathies lie more with the welfare of the bankers than with the welfare of The People. And, under Obama, the flow of money from the poor and the middle class to the very rich has not slowed even a little bit. Yet Sam thinks that we must continue to vote against our interests because of the possible short-term consequences of doing otherwise, as if bare economic survival is worth the cost of surrendering our rights to the state.
I admit that at least the next four years would be horrible with a Republican President. But I don’t see that Obama would do better to any extent that would make extending his term in office worthwhile. Obama is interested, as Digby wrote, in “what works”. Unfortunately, history is replete with examples of “what works” contradicting the values and beliefs of The People. Focusing too much on “what works” leads to authoritarianism and, too often, to fascism. Nevertheless, Obama has been entirely consistent in strengthening the corporate security state at the expense of our liberty.
Furthermore, the corruption that infests our government may be the direct result of our own corruption. We have sacrificed our interests by voting for people who work against us, and Sam proposes that we continue doing so. That demonstrates a fundamental dishonesty on our part. We are responsible for the corruption of our electoral system and our government because we have corrupted the purpose of having elections. The purpose of elections is to allow The People to exercise their will, and our failure to do so corrupts that system.
Sam wants to do the same thing that many people did in 1980: vote against our interests. After all, a lot of people think that Obama is a nice guy, especially when compared with any of the Republican candidates. Even I believe that. We can imagine having a beer with him or even playing basketball with him while the Republicans are proven liars, hypocrites, and demagogues. And Sam says that only if Obama is President will progressives have an opportunity to push their agenda.
And he’s serious about that, as if Obama can be made to care what progressives want even though Obama sincerely believe that progressives’ idea are bad ideas and has consistently ignored or criticized us. Furthermore, Sam thinks that Congressional Democrats can be pressured to act in our favor and against Obama. He believes this even though a large majority of Congressional Democrats voted to pass those horrible laws that have deprived us of our rights. Sam believes progressives can gain strength by supporting Obama, even though the Democratic corporatists, led by Obama, control the reigns of the Democratic Party and work hard – and very effectively – to keep progressive Democrats out of power.
Sam believes that even if we keep doing the same thing we’ve done before, we can have different results. He believes that if progressives condone Obama’s horrific policies by voting for him, they will be taken seriously when, later, they ask Obama to change his policies. However, contrary to what Sam believes, if we support Obama again then progressives will be weaker than ever, and we will fail to hand down to our children the freedom that we used to enjoy.
Sam Seder’s strategy is a cowardly one. If we’re afraid to fight because we might get hit, the result will be only a greater loss of our freedom.
It is certainly true that, for the short term, our country and our people will not do well, but there is very little that we can do about that. We waited too long to become active. Progressives will not be listened to in the short term. We will not get a seat at the table. There is no “winning strategy” for progressives in the short term. While we might pick up a few progressive seats in Congress, the best that we can hope for on policy over the next four years is to not lose any more ground, although Obama certainly will strengthen the police state. That’s why we have to start looking at the long term. We have to start working now so that our children won’t have to fight even harder to get their rights back because we were unwilling to stand up for them today.
We need a long term view and a long term strategy. But what can progressives do?
We have to admit that if we want change then we have to begin by changing ourselves. We cannot continue to support the people who oppose us. Even though we will lose the next few battles against the authoritarians, we can start building our strength by actively opposing them. We can begin by changing the way we vote. Instead of voting against our interests, we can begin to vote for them. Instead of voting for the lesser of two evils, we can extend our outlook and start voting for the greater good. That certainly doesn’t mean that we must vote Republican, because there will be other candidates even this year, and some who want to restore our rights to us are campaigning even now, and we certainly must have a Democratic Congress. Progressive challengers to Obama will lose this race to him, and he will win in November, but we will, at least, have finally entered the fight rather than be content to surrender our will. That would be a significant change, and it can lead to greater changes in the future if we keep fighting for our freedom. But we must vow never to surrender again.
We must start changing now. We must not force our children to fight our battles for us. The danger to them will be greater than it is for us today.
– David Dickinson



29 Comments

I like Sam, but I agree with you.
John
You know, I’ll be the very first one to admit that I don;t know what the vehicle for the needed change will be but I know what it’s not: It’s not to stay home on election day or even worse, vote for Republicans to “punish” or “send a message to” the Democrats. Despite all my warnings, regardless of my constant predictions that “punishing” Democrats inevitably leads to rewarding Republicans, people stayed home in droves in 2010. How’d that work out for ya? Republicans took the House and many, MANY state houses, (during a census year…smart…), and they wasted no time enacting more anti woman legislation than during any previous cycle and going off the rails to suppress the vote because they know their own demographic is fast dying off, etc. And also as predicted, the Democrats, living in their opaque DC bubble, took exactly the wrong message.
I’ll be the first one to say “no more votes for Vichycrats” and again, I don’t know what the answer is but I know what it is not: It’s not to stay home or to vote Republican to “send a message”. One definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. That strategy didn’t work out well for Progressives in 2010 and I have no reason to believe it will work out any better in 2012.
You’re absolutely right. We must not stay at home. We must vote. Personally, I’m voting Green. I know that Obama will win anyway — that’s got to be obvious. Even Republicans don’t like their candidates. But I’m not going to vote out of fear anymore. I will vote my conscience from now on. I want change, and that change begins with me.
The choice is simple. Barack Obama is a war criminal who supports torture and using drones to slaughter innocents. He also has resurrected the secretive, loathsome and dreadful Star Chamber proceeding, which he attempts to legitimize and institutionalize as a form of acceptable non-judicial due process.
I cannot and will not vote for such a man, regardless of his opponent.
BTW, whether he is a nice guy with whom you might want to shoot hoops and later swap stories over a couple of beers is irrelevant. And, of course, he is not a nice guy because nice guys don’t slaughter innocents and target fellow citizens for assassination.
With the single exception of their danger to others, I really do not see any meaningful difference between Barack Obama and a serial killer. He is far more dangerous to others than a serial killer because he is responsible for killing far more people than any serial killer. In fact, I imagine that he is responsible for killing more innocent people than all of the serial killers in the world put together.
Frankly, I cannot understand why people debate whether to vote for Obama. The man is utterly drenched in innocent blood.
Sam Seder certainly is entitled to his opinion, but I do not believe it has any substance or legitimacy.
How did the first two years of Obama work out for us? Terribly. Has the year and a half since the Republicans won Congress been better or worse or not much different? I choose the third option.
Obama had a strong majority in Congress and could’ve done anything he wanted (if he’d put a strong back into it) as President. But he didn’t. A surprisingly feeble first two years, how were we to know he didn’t have it in him? But that’s what happened, and we’ll get more of the same passive-nonaggressive triangulation Republicanism as long as Obama is in office.
HOW RIGHT WING _HAS_ HE BEEN, FAIRLEFT? Obama has been very right wing, but still official thought is that the Dem Prez is ‘the mainstream left’. This now leaves ‘the mainstream right’ only the territory of hateful ‘the rich eat the poor’ Ayn Rand libertarianism. Anything to the left of that is ‘Obamaland’.
I’m probably voting Green as well at least in the Presidential race.
Depends on what your gender is and what issues you care about I guess because for reproductive freedoms, the last year and a half have been empirically, unambiguously worse. And thank you but I’m familiar with Obama’s history, both before an after he was elected President. I began calling him “O-Rahm_a” in 2006 and I tried to point out what a conservadem he is and how DLC based his philosophy is but I got shouted down. Vehemently and sometimes viciously. I was accused of being a racist. I was accused of being a Republican troll, yes by some of the people on this very blog who now most vehemently deplore him. It got so bad I stopped blogging during the election. So don’t come at me with that bullshit. I warned against nominating Obama and now I’m warning against using the same LOSING strategy that was employed by far too many in 2010. And I hope NOBODY likes it!
And since 2010, the same could be said for voting access, public education funding, immigration law….need I go on? It’s not “the same as the two years before 2010″ unless you’re a pasty white male in a hard blue state and thus you haven’t been adversely affected like so, so many of the rest of us have. So yes. Things have gotten unambiguously worse in 2010-2012 than they were in 2008-2010.
I also will likely vote for Dr. Jill Stein.
BTW, Noam Chomsky endorsed her last week.
Seder is such a defeatist troll. Conceding defeat before the game has been played is NOT a winning strategy.
Most of the fauxgressives in this country are still blinded by their own defeatism and weakness.
It’s really pathetic.
You can’t remember how bad things were in 2009-2010 escalated in Afghanistan and Pakistan, decided to keep Gitmo and Baghram open, decided to make the trashing of the Constitution permanent, refused to prosecute the Bush gang war criminals, chose a stimulus that would not get us out of a recession, refused to do anything for the millions busted by mortgage debt and instead continued to fund the banks and their needs to the hilt. Hey, he’d gotten all of that done before the 2010 elections! If you think that record isn’t more significant than whatever has happened with immigration and reproductive rights in the last 18 months, fine, stay in your bubble.
Apologies but no room to mention his silence over the rape of Gaza by Israel and the Gaza aid flotilla killings, and instead his attack on the Goldstone Report. And then there was the opening up of our coasts to oil drilling undissuaded by the massive Gulf oil spill. And the health care bill that refuses to cut drug, doctor or hospital profits. Yup, good ol’ days, 2009-2010. So much accomplished, not much more to do in 2011-2012.
This shouldnt really be a surprise. Just look at how many hollywood “liberals” are supporting this pos of a president and a person in his reelection.
Thank you.
Yes, I listened to Professor Chomsky on Alternative Radio Saturday night. And though I loved Kennedy, the words were true that Kennedy got us into Vietnam (maybe with a lot of CIA help, but it happened.) Saturday night I also watched “The Quiet American.” Recommend that film very highly.
Professor Chomsky understands and explains the messes we have been getting into internationally. His endorsement is huge.
Sam Seders not so much.
Though I won’t vote for Obama I do think he will win and I don’t think he will change. He’s a Republican to the core and loves knocking us around. But I’ll make the prediction that when he is finally out of office he won’t be invited to the “best” parties. The elites detest him because he hasn’t the spine to stand up to them. They use him gleefully and he allows it.
Since posting here I learned about the massacre in Afghanistan, hugely important Wendy Davis post and comments. I would not have been quite so flip as the news brought the message of the film I just saw home to me.
I do not know who will win in November. But who can do other than vote their conscience when these terrible things are happening? And yes, stay home if you do not feel like voting at all. The message needs to be sent that this country is parading itself as something it is not, and if it is no longer a democracy we need to tell the world this is the case, so I disagree with Margaret on that point, though like her I will most likely vote for Jill Stein. And staying home for some will make it more likely she can win votes, because the message is consistent – our democracy is fundamentally broken.
“BTW, whether he is a nice guy with whom you might want to shoot hoops and later swap stories over a couple of beers is irrelevant. And, of course, he is not a nice guy because nice guys don’t slaughter innocents and target fellow citizens for assassination.”
A point tellingly made in the movie I watched Saturday night, Masoninblue. All the way through you are thinking the American is as you describe, and then there is an explosion…
Maybe someone could run that movie for the late night crowd. I will never forget that scene.
The Sam Cedar’s of the world get on MSNBC, The Nation, Air America and sadly, yes even on Democracy Now with Amy Goodman. In the meantime the other “progressives” focus on the Republican Clown Car Circus.
As the saying goes
We are the ones we we have been waiting for.
I think you are basically correct, but I would add this. If Obama wins, he will move even further rightward–what’s to stop him? The irony is that what prevented Obama’s blantant rightward shift is the utterly insane hatred the gop has toward him. They opposed even his right wing policies because of their knee jerk hatred of him.
If Obama wins and the Dems recapture the House, an economic populist Democratic party is pretty much over (if it isn’t already). Obama will use his power to force Dems to support even harsher right wing policies. And liberals in the party will complain, whine, and in turn will be insulted by the adimistration. After demanding their money and GOTV energies, the leadership will order them back into their online ghettos.
Also, Tom Hartmann is running the same theme as Seder, except in one bizarre segment which I read to work, Tom was trying to convince his audience that in fact Obama caring was based on a liberal Christian tradition. I then heard the next day, the administration was cutting some benefit. I think you can expect alot of hectoring from the main liberal punditry about re-electing Obama.
It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don’t want and get it.
Eugene V. Debs
“…we certainly must have a Democratic Congress.”
Does nobody get it? The democrats have done worse than a republican president or a republican congress. This otherwise excellent article mentions HR 347 that Obama signed. He does not mention that of 535 legislators, it passed the Senate unanimously and only three republicans and no democrats voted against it in the house. Not one democrat in either house voted against it! The author does the same thing he criticizes Sam Seder for. Just as Sam stops short of not voting for Obama, the author stops short of holding the democrats fully responsible.
We are losing both our constitution and our economy. Subtle hints whether they be “We will support Obama but less enthusiastically” or “…we certainly must have a Democratic Congress” are insufficient.
Again, I am seriously saying the democrats have been as bad or worse than the republicans if you look specifically at what they did and not about what they said. See below for documentation.
Civil Rights – http://newprogs.org/blog/2011/11/09/civil-rights-under-democraticrepublican-uni-party
Economy – http://newprogs.org/blog/2011/11/10/economy-under-democraticrepublican-uni-party
Education – http://newprogs.org/blog/2012/01/14/education-under-democraticrepublican-uni-party
Environment – http://newprogs.org/blog/2011/11/08/environment-under-democraticrepublican-uni-party
Transparency – http://newprogs.org/blog/2012/02/27/transparency-under-democraticrepublican-uni-party
Unions – http://newprogs.org/blog/2012/02/05/unions-under-democraticrepublican-uni-party
War – http://newprogs.org/blog/2011/11/11/wars-under-democraticrepublican-uni-party
Whistleblowers – http://newprogs.org/blog/2011/11/09/whistleblowers-under-democraticrepublican-uni-party
I like Sam a lot, but he’s basically trotting out the “Obama sucks less than the evil GOP” meme that many establishment Dems (like Michael Moore) are.
I get it goNPA. That’s why I tell my dem friends when they say they are voting for the lesser evil that they must be voting for Romney then.
And yet, who from the Left holds those “Hollywood Liberals” accountable? Not the so-called “bold progressives” – the PCCC. Not the Veal Pen (of course).
Liberals joined hands to hold Rush Limbaugh accountable for his language* – but do they join hands to do likewise to “Hollywood Liberals” for their fawning devotion to the Democrats (even if verbalized using non-nasty language)?
Maybe I should write another diary called “Yet another progressive FAIL – failing to hold Hollywood liberals accountable”. As much as I may like George Clooney as an actor, his political IQ seems to be in the low teens. Either that, or he’s completely lost touch with the suffering little people.
I myself am not a starstruck kind of person, therefore I personally don’t care how Clooney feels about Obama, one way or another. However, guys like Clooney (and other Hollywood luminaries) are influencers due to their Hollywood fame. Hence, it makes sense to cajole them to publicly explain to us how Obama didn’t screw us.
* possibly at the Democrats’ urging. Taking the focus off the bad economy helps the incumbent President. Taking the focus off the continuing unresolved dark clouds resulting from their other failures also helps the lesser Democrats.
Kennedy DID NOT get us into Vietnam; we were already there. Under Eisenhower, though, it was a secret war. Kennedy opened it up to the light of day and appointed a blue ribbon panel to go there and evaluate whether we should be there at all.
When the panel came back, Kennedy made his decision. In October of 1963, he announced that we were going to end our involvement and that the first 1000 troops would be home by Christmas.
In November, he was assassinated.
Johnson escalated.
DO NOT STAY HOME!
If you do, your vote will be counted anyway. You will be assumed to be happy with the way things are. Vote, even if you vote for Mickey Mouse. Until there is a large vote against the authoritarian rule of the establishment, (or millions take to the streets in protest, nothing will ever change.
WOW.
I read the version of this on Kos (I like how they put all the well-written, thought provoking diaries in a section conveniently named “Trolls”. Bookmark it if you can; it’s good times) and you are a freakin animal!
They really had no come back or retort to your arguments at all and you kept coming back swinging! It was like lambs to the slaughter.
Kudos to you sir.
Thank you, jest. I have decided to fight and never again to give in.
> One definition of insanity is trying the same thing over
> and over and expecting a different result.
You’re talking about voting for the lesser of two evils? I agree.