This diary digs into the how did it happen of Stu Piddy’s CODE PINK TURNS PRO WAR. Basically, the ever-so-susceptible Code Pink bosses got played by the war PR machine. First of all, they never left Kabul:
We didn’t get out to the countryside, we didn’t talk to people who had been the targets of U.S. bombing, we didn’t talk to people who lived under Taliban control. We, in a week, got to talk to an amazing variety of people, but they were all working inside Kabul, many of them coming from outside Kabul.
Secondly, they were exceptionally naive, considering the ostensibly very serious nature of the organization’s fact-finding tour.
Dilettante number 1:
Code Pink’s Medea Benjamin in Kabul: We also wrote up a letter to President Obama saying no more troops, and asked the women to sign. The organizer of the conference must get US government money [so] she freaked out and wouldn’t let us circulate the letter! Instead, we talked to some of the women during the breaks, and many of them signed. (In the evening, Jodie got the wife of Karzai’s brother to sign on!)
Since we are returning tomorrow, we took time to do some shopping along Chicken Street—buying jewelry, shawls, dresses, bedspreads, purses… The shopping break was a nice diversion from all the sitting and talking. . . .
Tonight we had a terrific meal at the home of Karzai’s businessman brother, Mahmoud Karzai, and his wife. The guests included businessmen who had security companies, the president’s first deputy chief of staff (a woman), the president’s economic advisor, journalists, a UN rep and more. We all had great conversations and realized how lucky we were to have, once again, such great access to so many different opinions (at the dinner, someone from our group remarked that back home, it would be like having dinner at the home of Jeb Bush!).
Dilettante number 2:
Code Pink’s Jodie Evans in Kabul: I left the states with a judgment about some of the women who were members of the Parliament: So many are sisters and wives of warlords or tribal leaders chosen merely to fill the required quota of women. But Member of Parliament Shinkai Karokhal, a radical feminist from Kabul, reminded me that just their existence, that they constitute 25 percent of the body, is inspiring to women throughout the country. I told her she was right, it is a big step.
And then there was Medea Benjamin, back in the U.S. interviewed by Scott Horton, where she defends the Democratic Party line (we’d love to leave but we can’t until they stop fighting (us)) and tries unsuccessfully to deal with Code Pink’s new, militarist look (emphasis added):
And we certainly did hear some people [in Kabul] say that they felt if the U.S. pulled out right now there would be a collapse and the Taliban might take over, there might be a civil war. But we also heard a lot of people say they didn’t want more troops to be sent in and they wanted the U.S. to have a responsible exit strategy that included the training of Afghan troops, included being part of promoting a real reconciliation process and included economic development; that the United States shouldn’t be allowed to just walk away from the problem. So that’s really our position.
So Code Pink _was_ reported accurately in today’s Christian Science Monitor:
During their weeklong visit here [in Afghanistan], in which they met with government officials, politicians, ministers, women activists, and civil society groups, the small team of Code Pink members had hoped to gather evidence to bolster their call for US troop withdrawal within two years, and capitalize on growing anxiety back home about the war.
While the group hasn’t dropped its call for a pullout, the visit convinced them that setting a deadline isn’t in Afghanistan’s interests, say Ms. Benjamin and fellow cofounder Jodie Evans.
"We would leave with the same parameters of an exit strategy but we might perhaps be more flexible about a timeline," says Benjamin. "That’s where we have opened ourselves, being here, to some other possibilities. We have been feeling a sense of fear of the people of the return of the Taliban. So many people are saying that, ‘If the US troops left the country, would collapse. We’d go into civil war.’ A palpable sense of fear that is making us start to reconsider that."
Code Pink says it will continue to oppose sending more troops to Afghanistan – a move facing heated debate in Washington – and advocate for more funding for aid and humanitarian projects instead.
So now it’s Code Pink, pro-war nation builder.
For a contrasting point of view meet Afghan native Zoya, 28, who is now on a speaking tour of the U.S.. Zoya (a pseudonym) "grew up during the wars that ravaged Afghanistan and at the age of fourteen, was robbed of her mother and father when they were murdered by fundamentalist warlords. Devastated by so much death and destruction, she fled Kabul with her grandmother and started a new life in exile in Pakistan. After attending a school funded by RAWA, she joined the underground women’s organization and continues their work resisting fundamentalism and war today." Here’s a recent article about her:
October 1, 2009
Afghan Women’s Rights Activist Calls for an End to US OccupationLos Angeles: President Obama’s anticipated deployment of additional troops to Afghanistan is being justified in part by the Taliban threat to Afghan women. To mark the 8th anniversary of the start of Operation Enduring Freedom, a member of a prominent Afghan women’s rights group will tour the United States this month, with a different message to Obama and Congress: “liberation can only come from within -– end the US occupation.” . . .
For most Afghan women like Zoya, the past eight years of US occupation have legitimized criminal warlords and a corrupt government, resulted in thousands of bombing deaths of civilians, and consequently strengthened the Taliban. While women gained some rights on paper in the nation’s new constitution, in practice more women are being imprisoned, committing suicide, suffering rapes, and other abuses than ever before. This summer’s embarrassingly fraudulent presidential election was seen by a vast majority of Afghans as a debacle of democracy. Education, employment and health indicators all point to a nation whose women are possibly worse off than under Taliban rule.
According to Zoya, "The message of RAWA to freedom-loving people is to support the democratic organizations of Afghanistan. Freedom, democracy and justice cannot be enforced at gunpoint by a foreign country; they are the values that can be achieved only by our people and democracy-loving forces through a hard, decisive and long struggle." . . .
If you are a member of the media and would like to schedule an interview with Zoya, please call 626-676-7884
Here’s another opinion to contrast with Code Pink’s, by another smart Afghan woman:
Sonali Kolhatkar, Co-Director of Afghan Women’s Mission:
. . . Howard Dean, former chair of the Democratic National Committee and one-time Presidential candidate on a liberal platform, in an interview on Democracy Now on Friday July 17th, pronounced his support for the US war in Afghanistan based on protecting women’s rights. In the interview, Dean repeated the logic that the US is waging war for Afghan women’s liberation. And on the flip side, according to Dean, "if we leave, women will experience the most extraordinary depredations of any population on the face of the earth." By this logic, Dean implies that the US has for the past 8 years been a bulwark against a the deterioration of women’s rights. But even cursory examination of the actual situation on the ground reveals that aside from theoretical changes embodied in the constitution, women’s rights have actually deteriorated as a direct consequence of deliberate US policy. This policy has included empowering anti-woman warlords who have committed rape and thrown out female members of parliament, appointing a fundamentalist judiciary that has imprisoned women for adultery and being victims of rape, etc. Additionally, the US war has fueled an misogynist insurgency that has only gotten stronger and worsened anti-woman sentiment.
I spoke very recently with independent candidate for president Ramazan Bashardost about his view of the US war. He put it bluntly: "This is not a war for women’s rights in Afghanistan. It is not a war for human rights in Afghanistan." He added, "the problem is that the analysis of the Afghan situation by the US is wrong."
Here’s more of Scott Horton vs. the CodePink nation builders:
Horton: So we need occupation, but without soldiers.
Benjamin: Where are you getting that from?
Horton: Well, I mean I’m just trying to understand. Because you’re saying we need to build up their court system and we need to do all these things to have a proper exit… a responsible exit strategy rather than just leaving and letting them call their own shots, work out their own problems. And I just wonder how these things all go together. We’re supposed to occupy the country, but without killing anybody. And we’re supposed to have soldiers to protect women’s rights, but not to, whatever it is that they’re actually doing there, which of course has nothing to do with women’s rights in the first place. You follow me?
Benjamin: Yeah. I don’t think the soldiers are protecting women’s rights. We did hear a lot of people say that they fear the Taliban coming back in. We spoke to a lot of women who lived under the Taliban times who couldn’t go to school, who couldn’t do their jobs, were stuck inside their homes. And I think we have to recognize that. But on the other hand there is supposedly only about 5 or 10% of the Taliban that are ideologically motivated. So my point is that we have been shoring up the Taliban with their policies of occupation, that as part of an exit strategy has to be peace talks, that women are at the table, and they have to figure out how people who have joined the Taliban out of economic desperation and joined the Taliban out of revenge because their loved ones have been killed by foreign forces, how they can be brought back into their villages and live productive lives.
Horton: Um, okay. Well, I guess, you know, I’m for that. You know, I’m an individualist and a libertarian and I believe in natural rights for all people no matter where they are. It’s just a question of, you know, who’s going to do the guaranteeing of them. And it just sort of seems far-fetched to me. Especially at this point that somehow there’s going to be a proper nation building exercise. . . . I mean do you really think it’s possible to use American government, military, or I guess you’re saying not military, I guess State Department power or something, to build up Afghan society and include the people who are now fighting on the side of the Taliban, include enough of them in the government that somehow this becomes some sort of pluralistic, federalistic type place where we can rest assured that a civil war isn’t going to break out when we leave or something like that. Is that basically what you’re saying?
Benjamin: I don’t think we can ever be sure of what’s going to happen in a place like Afghanistan because it’s such a complex culture. But I do think that we have thrown ourselves into this quagmire and we’ve got to extricate ourselves in a way that is as responsible as possible. And that part of that is trying to support those people within Afghanistan who want to see peace talks, who want to get the other nations in the region involved and who do feel that they need a police system, they need people inside their country that are going to somehow promote justice and communities, that they don’t want to be left in chaos. So I do think that there is something to be worked out in terms of an exit strategy. . . .
Horton: Yeah. Well, I certainly think that’s true. We saw the same thing in Iraq where the occupation is a perpetual motion machine. In fact I was just reading a little something about American occupations in Central America, I think in, I forget if it was in Nicaragua. Way back in the day, you know, 80 years ago or something, where of course the longer they stayed the more the people resisted and that was the excuse for staying, and we can’t just leave with Nicaragua in such a mess and all these people fighting each other and whatever, when of course the occupation is the basis of in the first place. And I think, wasn’t Code Pink’s argument about Iraq not "We have to leave responsibly but we’ve got to get the hell out of there because staying there is irresponsible"?
Benjamin: Yeah, in the case of Iraq I think it was a little bit different. It was absolutely clear our troops should never been there beginning and you didn’t have a Taliban like government…
Horton: Yeah, but I mean Bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri escaped eight years ago. They haven’t been in Afghanistan for eight years.
Benjamin: But you do have the Taliban in Afghanistan and you have…
Horton: Yeah, but what did the Taliban ever do?
Benjamin: Well the Taliban…
Horton: To us.
Benjamin: Huh?
Horton: What did they ever do to the United States?
Benjamin: Well see, if your perspective is just from the United States. My perspective is also from what they did to the women of Afghanistan. But if your perspective is truly from the United States, what people say is that if we allow the Taliban to take over Afghanistan then that will be a safe haven for Al Qaeda.
Horton: Yeah, but that’s no different is it than the National Review saying, you know, Saddam Hussein was really bad to the people in Iraq. I think this is why all over Facebook today they’re saying, "Ha, ha, and again, for those tuning in late, she did say, it’s Medea Benjamin from Code Pink. She did say the Christian Science Monitor’s reporting was not altogether accurate here. But all over Facebook they’re saying, "Ha, ha, I guess she’ll have to apologize to Condoleezza Rice now. . . .



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The fact that she’s grappling with complexity negates her years of antiwar cred? This is a joke, yes?
Next you’ll be telling me she’s dating Richard Perle.
She’s in favor of our soldiers continuing to occupy Afghanistan and continuing to fight the resistance, until Afghanistan is a nice country. That will be a very long time. Tell me the complexity in that stance: it sounds a great deal like what Condoleeza Rice was saying about Afghanistan two years ago or what John McCain is saying today.
http://www.un.org/sc/committees/1267/
by Jodie Evans of Code Pink.
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“When asked if they wanted more troops or the money invested in jobs, police training and infrastructure support most women choose the investment in their country. They know “military is not the answer,” which is a quote not just from them but from the director of the USAID office in Kabul. Everywhere we heard the recurrent theme, “Money for jobs, and make the Taliban obsolete with better alternatives.” And the recurrent question, “the United States is the power in this country, they pay for everything. Why can’t they do something about the corrupt government? Why can’t they hold these people responsible?”
In the last days of our trip, we joined a trialogue of women from India, Pakistan and Afghanistan discussing peace, which cannot occur without cooperation among their countries. We decided to offer a letter to Obama to bring him their voices. Members of Parliament, professors, NGO leaders, ex-ministers, and even the sister in law of Karzai signed the petition to Obama.
President Obama:
We, the women of Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and the United States, implore you to refrain from sending more United States military forces to Afghanistan.
Sending more military forces will only increase the violence and will do further harm to women and children. Instead, the funds should be redirected to improving the health, education and welfare of the Afghan people.
We encourage you to work quickly for a political solution in Afghanistan that will lead to a reconciliation process in which women will fully participate and a withdrawal of foreign military forces. “
http://www.opednews.com/populu…..llcomments
You’ve been played. The issue is withdrawal. An antiwar group can’t be in favor of no timetable at all (Evans rejected her group’s previous two-year limit as too constricting) on withdrawing our occupation army.
Fact: Code Pink is _not_ asking even for a reduction in the number of foreign troops in Afghanistan. Fact: Code Pink is in favor of U.S. troops protecting a Western-funded nation-building project in Afghanistan. Fact: That nation-building project has already failed, and recommitting to it keeps our troops there — killing Afghans massively and creating massive insecurity and social instability — for many more years. Fact: Code Pink now has dropped its demand for a pullout timetable, whereas formerly it had demanded a withdrawal timetable of at most two years.
Code Pink on Afghanistan now sounds exactly like John McCain on Iraq: it’d be great to leave, but not until the resistance stops fighting us.
So now Arlen Specter is to the left of Code Pink on Afghanistan. That’s just great, NOT. At least he said, hey, if we’re not there to fight Al Queda there’s no good reason for the U.S. to be there. And, of course, Al Queda ain’t in Afghanistan. Specter really trashed the ‘nation building’ rationale. I think it’s trash too, but for different reasons than he does.
I wrote about Specter the unlikely peacenik a few weeks ago here:
http://thewildwildleft.soapblo…..aryId=2441
Here’s what he said about nation-building (emphasis added):
Specter to the left of Code Pink. _That’s_ the U.S. antiwar movement.
Calling for a responsible exit strategy is not saying no time table. She did not say until Afghanistan was a nice country. She said jobs and a government and justice system that is not corrupt would take power away from the Taliban. She said that many Taliban are not ideologically driven. So far she is more on target than your title is. Equating her to a war criminal is a really big stretch.
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“And yet I’m reading in the Christian Science Monitor that you’re rethinking your call for a pullout from Afghanistan, and that you’ve had your mind changed about the Afghanistan war due to a recent trip that you took there. Can you elaborate on that?
Benjamin: I don’t think that piece really reflects our thinking. We took a delegation there and just got back yesterday. And we certainly did hear some people say that they felt if the U.S. pulled out right now there would be a collapse and the Taliban might take over, there might be a civil war. But we also heard a lot of people say they didn’t want more troops to be sent in and they wanted the U.S. to have a responsible exit strategy that included the training of Afghan troops, included being part of promoting a real reconciliation process and included economic development; that the United States shouldn’t be allowed to just walk away from the problem. So that’s really our position. Not the one that was implied in the Christian Science Monitor.
So yes: the U.S. pulls out and there could be tremendous chaos because of the lack of authentic support for this government. That’s why I feel we have to have a responsible exit strategy that includes pressure on this government to get rid of people who were responsible for crimes, to build up a justice system that can actually function.
What do you have when you have an outside foreign force, i.e., the U.S. and NATO that has been propping up a government that’s full of people who have in the past and continue to commit crimes, live off of drug money? You don’t have a very pretty picture and that also means that a lot of the soldiers don’t have great reasons to fight.
Well that’s why I think as part of the exit strategy is the peace process. And if there are 20,000 Taliban at the most, the vast majority of them are people who are not ideologically driven who want to go back to their villages, would probably much prefer to do something other than be shooting at people. And that if we gave them the opportunity for that by announcing that we were going to be leaving, that we were going to be helping to allow their community leaders to reincorporate them into society, then you would be basically taking away the strength of the Taliban.
Well I think it’s just full of distortions, because what we say is we want a responsible pulling out of U.S. troops and we certainly are against what McChrystal is calling for. We’re against sending in more troops, we’re against troops being visibly present in the villages because we think their presence is more of a threat to people there and puts them at risk. And we want our troops to pull out. We just want to do it in a way that is not going to lead to a Taliban takeover that will put women back inside the home. “
http://original.antiwar.com/sc…..-confused/
Hum! History books don’t matter. War distroyed Egypt, Rome, Athens, Japan, Germany, and how many hundreds of others. If it wasn’t for wars England would still be a world power. Wars were good for our economy during them, but paying for them cost us for years after they were over. Our latest wars have cost us so dearly in lives and treasure, that we will never reap benifit from any of it.
What we have spent on wars, defending against wars, and our Military could have paved our streets with gold, and every American could be a billionaire, with enough left over to still have a great Military.
Wars are wonderful things.
Generals and Admirals, they have done us so great, we should let them lead us. After all most dictators have been generals. They know how to fight armies, but haven’t the slightest on how to fight people who hide behind trees and shoot them. Our own History is we beat the British and became the Country we are, not with an army but with citizen soldiers who beat their organized Military. The insurgants they talk of fighting are just like we were to the British. A hint on listening to generals is if they have been winning wars. Not so much.
“President Obama is prepared to accept some Taleban involvement in Afghanistan’s political future and is unlikely to favour a large influx of new American troops being demanded by his ground commander, a senior official said last night.
Mr Obama appears to have been swayed in recent days by arguments from some advisers, led by Vice-President Joe Biden, that the Taleban do not pose a direct threat to the US and that there should be greater focus on tackling al-Qaeda inside Pakistan.
Mr Obama’s developing strategy on the Taleban will “not tolerate their return to power”, the senior official said. However, the US would only fight to keep the Taleban from retaking control of the central government — something the official said it is now far from capable of — and from giving renewed sanctuary to al-Qaeda.
Bowing to the reality that the fundamentalist movement is too ingrained in national culture, the Administration is prepared, as it has been for some time, to accept some Taleban role in parts of Afghanistan, the official said. “
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t…..866894.ece
This is some good news, but a presidential spokesperson also said yesterday that the U.S. would never accept the Taliban as part of the Afghan government. That acceptance is essential to peace.
Why is accepting the Taliban essential?
Whether we like it or not, the Taliban is the political group most supported by Afghanistan’s largest ethnic group, the Pashtun. Eight years of increasingly unsuccessful war against the Pashtun’s main representative, the Taliban, tells me you have to include the Taliban in some sort of coalition government if you want peace. Of course, (unrealistically) we also could increase our troops to about 400,000, that’s another option that might work, so if that were the case maybe including the Taliban in a final peace deal would not be essential.
Including people formerly in the Taliban who renounce the Taliban’s criminality is one thing. Accepting their barbarity is another.
Peace is always to be sought, but it’s not everything.
The U.S. should not kill people on a large scale in other countries in order to make sure they prohibit some forms of barbarity but not others. The barbarity of launching a missile and burning alive dozens of poor people gathered around a fuel truck? The facts are that the U.S. is okay with that. We need to leave Afghanistan and let them to the relatively small scale barbarity of small arms and mortar fire.
I think that you’re again incorrect. The US was most definitely not happy with civilians being killed and injured in the missile attack on the stolen fuel truck.
The US is never leaving Afghanistan. Too much money to be made by stealing the resources that belong to all Afghan people.
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“In November 2007, the Karzai government in Afghanistan in collaboration with NATO forces auctioned the huge Aynak copper deposit under the US Agency for International Development (USAID) plan and arbitrarily awarded the mining rights to Chinese state enterprise, China Metallurgical Group, for $3.5 billion.
The NATO forces, in conjunction with the Afghan government thought it would be too risky for a private enterprise to undertake the massive infrastructure project as well as develop the Aynak copper deposit, which is spread over a vast area of hostile Taliban territory.
The railway line, which will be built by the Chinese under the contract will also benefit NATO countries in the future as it will provide access to other mines and development sites yet to be auctioned.
The survey also confirmed that Afghanistan not only had abundant minerals but also plenty of hydrocarbon resources and according to an Afghan geology expert, John Shroder, said.
Among the minerals found in the survey were substantial amounts of gold, copper, iron, mercury, lead, and rare metals such as cesium, lithium, niobium, and tantalum. “
http://www.domain-b.com/indust…..istan.html
What money is the US making out of this?
I understand that you’re not very balanced on the subject, but how can you possibly think that there is anything in Afghanistan valuable enough to afford a monetary profit beyond our expense there?
Did I, or one of the comments I included, write something about monetary profit as a motive? I.e., I don’t see how “What money is the US making out of this?” is a comment on my diary.
Oh sorry, I see you’re responding to bluebutterfly. I’m not up on the firedoglake diarying experience yet.
no sweat.
March 2009
“JALREZ VALLEY, Afghanistan — In this Taliban stronghold in the mountains south of Kabul, the U.S. Army is providing the security that will enable China to exploit one of the world’s largest unexploited deposits of copper, earn tens of billions of dollars and feed its voracious appetite for raw materials.
U.S. troops set up bases last month along a dirt track that a Chinese firm is paving as part of a $3 billion project to gain access to the Aynak copper reserves. Some troops made camp outside a compound built for the Chinese road crews, who are about to return from winter break. U.S. forces also have expanded their presence in neighboring Logar province, where the Aynak deposit is.
The main challenge to MCC is the Taliban, who moved into Kabul’s southern fringes after China clinched the deal, prompting the January deployment in Logar and Wardak of more than 2,000 troops from the Army’s 10th Mountain Division from Fort Drum, N.Y. Last Tuesday, a roadside bomb injured three policemen protecting a crew building an access road to Aynak. “
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c…..per10.html
BB, I don’t want to cramp your style, but your posts and comments would be so much clearer and easier to read if you traded in your signature asterisks for the block-quote function button. Just a suggestion.
Nope..with my eye sight I do what is best for me..sorry. I can barely read that light blue print. Basically,to me it’s blurry and almost impossible to focus on. I skip posts with too much of it, so the day will never come that I use it myself.