The corrupt and incompetent, played-key-role-in-the-global-financial-meltdown Standard & Poor’s said today:
it sees a real risk that future U.S. government deficits may meaningfully miss discussed targets and that there is a 50-50 chance the U.S. AAA credit rating could be cut within three months, perhaps as soon as August. …
If an agreement is reached to raise the debt ceiling but nothing meaningful is done in terms of deficit reduction, the U.S. would likely have its rating cut to the AA category, S&P said.
S&P is clear that the rating scare is not about the debt ceiling. No, it demands cuts, deep cuts in the great social programs at the heart of a decent society. (See All-Out Obama & Media Blitz for $3 Trillion in Social Welfare Cuts.)
And the warning has nothing to do with how an honest credit rating agency would rate credit risk. An honest S&P would lower a rating to AA from AAA if there were ANY sign that the federal deficit had actually in the real world had an impact on investor behavior. I.e., you’d see rising long-term Treasury bond yields if investors were worried about the U.S. defaulting on its debts. The lower the yield (interest rate), the stronger the faith in creditworthiness. But those yields, already very low by historical standards in April, have continued to decrease over the last three months. The chart below is actually from yesterday at 4:55 p.m.
The chart shows increasing confidence in the creditworthiness of U.S. Treasury bonds. And with that, I’ll segue into repeating how spectacularly incompetent and corrupt S&P is. Dean Baker on April 18:
It is … worth noting that S&P has a horrible track record for judging credit worthiness. It rated hundreds of billions of dollars of subprime backed securities as investment grade. It also gave Lehman, Bear Stearns, and Enron top ratings right up until their collapse. Furthermore, no one was publicly fired for these extraordinary failures. Investors are aware that S&P’s judgement does not mean very much.
If Dean Baker doesn’t float your boat, listen to Joe Stiglitz on the 2008 financial meltdown:
I view the ratings agencies as one of the key culprits. They were the party that performed that alchemy that converted the [mortgage-backed] securities from F-rated to A-rated. The banks could not have done what they did without the complicity of the ratings agencies.
S&P was key to the crisis — “assigning rosy ratings to questionable mortgage bonds in order to win business” — and it is still the same time bomb. President Obama, of course, has reformed nothing, so the agencies still make their money by competing to credit rate stuff, and corporations shop for the most lenient rating. Not all Dems are like Obama though: Al Franken tried to do the right thing:
S&P is a profit-driven corporation that is paid tens of millions of dollars to give good credit ratings to [invesments that] may not deserve it. In an effort to stop this corrupt practice, Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) recently offered an amendment that would have taken away power of the issuer to select the agency that rates its bonds, shifting it instead to the Securities and Exchange Commission. Unfortunately, S&P and other bond-rating agencies lobbied heavily, and successfully, to kill the amendment. Such is the power of the financial sector in the U.S.
Usual Obama presidency story there. Baker’s comment came after S&P had lowered to negative its “outlook for the United States.” On the same morning of April 18th yields on 10-year Treasury bonds had decreased, which, similar to my chart, showed increasing faith in the creditworthiness of the United States. One last quote, can’t resist, from Huffington Post’s Krystal Ball, reacting in April to the same thing as Dean Baker:
Thank you S&P for lowering the U.S. credit outlook from stable to negative. By doing so, you reminded me of your existence and your existence reminds me that you and your cohorts have failed to predict any major financial catastrophe and essentially caused the 2008 financial crisis.




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Fucking insane . . . thanks for the read and Rcc;d.
Fuck S&P . . . how can proggy’s punch back at them?
Punch back by harassing any ‘news’ agencies that pretends they have credibility. Plenty of a-holes to choose from. Otherwise, I don’t know.
Let me see if I have this correct. If the USG defaults on debt owed to the American people, it gets to keep a stellar credit rating?
I’m sure everyone who has been foreclosed will be happy to hear their credit rating is now 800. Oh wait…
Actually, to simplify, for S&P ‘creditworthiness’ = ‘cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid’
Oh wait, now I get it. Yup …
Hey fairleft,
“And with that, I’ll segue into repeating how spectacularly {insert ‘corrupt’ for “incompetent”} S&P is.”
“S&P was {insert ‘the first link in the chain of criminal behaviour’ for “part of the problem”} — “assigning rosy ratings to questionable mortgage bonds in order to win business” — and it still is.”
IMHO
And this from Business Insider July 19th:
The Financial Times reports: “Egan-Jones has become the first US rating agency to downgrade the country’s sovereign credit rating from triple A to double A plus as it focuses on the rapid rise in outstanding debt over the past five years.”
And this from the New York Times on the 20th:
Lawmakers in Washington are racing to reach a deal to save the country from defaulting on its debt, but on Wall Street, financial players are devising doomsday plans in case the clock runs out.
These companies are taking steps to reduce the risk of holding Treasury bonds or angling for ways to make profits from any possible upheaval
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/21/business/economy/wall-st-makes-fallback-plans-for-debt-crisis.html
Hmmmmm. Per David Lindorff http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/568
From another diary which bears repeating:
The entire debt limit debate is a fraud. Commitments like future Social Security, Veterans and Medicare benefits are not carried as debts, nor are contingent liabilities like government guarantees for Fannie, Freddie, FHA, student loans, etc. carried as debts.
In other words we claim as debts MONEY WE OWE OURSELVES, and we disregard all legal commitments and keep them from being listed as part of the “debt ceiling”.
Since the “debt ceiling” is clearly a matter of definition all that is really required is to change the definition of debts included in calculating the “debt ceiling” to exclude obligations the Federal government owes itself. And, SHAZAAM, 6 trillion in debt eliminated from the “debt ceiling”.
Frankly it speaks to the bizarre nature of the “debt ceiling” that excess Social Security taxes which have been paid into the Treasury and been used to purchase T bills are debts, whereas the future social security obligations which have not yet been collected are not debts.
In other words, the more Social Security taxes we collect, the greater the national debt. ”
Oh, you want this to make sense. I don’t think truth, or logic, or even reality…..pick one…..any longer has anything to do with it. Nothing.
Luv me some James Galbraith. There’s a post back in my archives called “James Galbraith for President.” Wish he’d come on down!
I said corrupt and incompetent, but I should’ve put in “corporate globalizaton neoliberal crusading” in there somewhere too. They’re just part of the “Team GloboCorp” that is screwing over Greece and the rest of the European periphery, sponsoring Austerity for All Except Us, and so on.
I made some modifications based on your advice. Thanks!
And they say there’s no class war!
Yeah, that’s one of the ‘crosses’ I bear, seeking logic.
Probably should’ve stuck this in somewhere, but only thought of it later, as a _very_ big picture explanation:
http://pffugeecamp.com/diary/1136/#20747
How many divisions does S&P have?
NONE??
Fuck S&P.
Somebody should write about “How to Fight the Worldwide Austerity Crusade.” Where is the world’s organizing center for the armies of pissed off sold-out citizens?
I love how you put this. Can I borrow it?
So the assholes that caused this mess are holding a gun to our head and telling us to murder the old and sick so they can make more money?
REALLY???
Noone was arrested at S&P
Kill them, if they want vulnerable americans to die so they can buy another island then every last one should be put up against a wall.
Wig, that was so good I had to bookmark it in my Social Services folder . . . great stuff and thanks so much!
Rcc’d! ;-)
The logic is simple Ube, they is screwing you, and will continue to do so at every step and turn of your daily living.
Yer welcome . . . ;-)
Yeah, they say there’s no class war cuz it’s mostly over except for the rest of the bleeding n dying . . . .
*G*
“Hey Coach, all the way up. With a red hot poker.”
*G*
On every block, on every street corner, in every village, hamlet, town, city, county, state.
Ok, so it’s a loosely organized org . . . for now.
*G*
Notices the knitting needles speeding up in the front row.
Noones ever going to be arrested or held accountable for robbing us blind
They might pay a hundred million (a small fraction) of what they stole but they won’t be punished
The only thing that kept capitalism in check in the 40′s and 50s was the terror of workers getting fed up and cleaning up wall street
Get a million people to march for an end to the wars, single payer, ending tax cuts and they get ignored in favor of the latest tea partier squawking about how high the record low tax rates are and how taxing the rich 3% is like being in nazi germany
The rich have just brought out the nukes in the class war, so to hell with them
Going Vlad the Impaler on S&P would be a great cautionary tale for the rest of them
I increasingly think electoral politics is a rigged game, and going after corporations may be the way to go. I would very much like to start with S&P. They should all be in jail.
Oh, recommended.
Bush/Obama bails out the criminals on Wall st (criminals include the rating agencies) with our money. no reform. no one get investigated no one goes to jail and Wall st executives no only don’t have to pay the money back but now serveral of them are working in the WH being paid by us. Now these same criminals are demanding cuts SS Medicare and Medicaid or they will lower the credit rating….I know Pete Peterson/Wall st has a hold over Obama but I really think there is something wrong with him….it is one thing being slimey but it is another to be as hell bent to do Wall st bidding to the point of out and out lying…Clinton, Bush and now this guy..
So, how do we start to accomplish that goal?
Thanks. S&P is a vulnerable target.
Not only did they not go to jail, but the last couple years their obscene bonuses are right back up into obscene territory.
I wouldn’t personalize things so much with Obama. Or broaden it: there must be something wrong too with Reid, Durbin, and many other ‘Democrats’ who seem, on the surface, to be liberal sweethearts. But they’re about to screw over the poor, the old and the sick big time just like Obama, for those damn campaign donations from Wall Street and because the mainstream media and lobbyists have moved conventional wisdom so far to the right. Right back to the classical economics of Herbert Hoover.