Rahm-Obama may have done Howard Dean a huge favor when they froze the good doctor out of the Obama administration. Recall that there was talk of Dean as being head of Health & Human Services or even Surgeon General but this was vetoed by Rahm and Obama. Obama didn’t extend his "team of rivals" concept to one of his biggest rivals and that might turn out to be a historic blunder by Team Obama. Because now, Howard Dean is perfectly positioned to primary Obama in 2012. So what was an initial disappointment to the progressive base might turn out to be a blessing.
Dean can publicly criticize the Obama administration as he did recently when he said the health care bill being advanced in the Senate is not worth voting for. He’s not tied in any way to this administration which is looking more and more like the S.S. Titanic-Obama.
That’s why the Obama administration and its various spin-meisters immediately struck back hard at Howard Dean after his comments on the senate bill. Note that press secretary Gibbs and others in the administration even went so far as to invoke the Dean-is-crazy theme that the mainstream media made up after the so-called "Dean Scream." Dean’s having a "temper tantrum" they have complained (this is discussed below in the paragraph on Jane Hamsher’s diary) in language that calls up the images that were played on in 2004 of an unstable Dean.
Notice too that the Obama administration has been far more critical of Howard Dean, an acknowledged champion of real health care reform, than it has been of Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson and Max Baucus–old-line politicians who have never really favored health care reform from the beginning and have been bought off by big Pharma and insurance companies.
Glenn Greenwald made this very point:
Why didn’t they [the White House] do any of that to the "centrists" who were supposedly obstructing what they wanted on health care? Why didn’t they tell Blanche Lincoln — in a desperate fight for her political life — that she would "never hear from them again," and would lose DNC and other Democratic institutional support, if she filibustered the public option? Why haven’t they threatened to remove Joe Lieberman’s cherished Homeland Security Chairmanship if he’s been sabotaging the President’s agenda? Why hasn’t the President been rhetorically pressuring Senators to support the public option and Medicare buy-in, or taking any of the other steps outlined here by Adam Green? There’s no guarantee that it would have worked — Obama is not omnipotent and he can’t always control Congressional outcomes — but the lack of any such efforts is extremely telling about what the White House really wanted here.
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Over at Politico, Jane Hamsher documents how Joe Lieberman’s conduct on the health care bill provides the perfect vehicle to advance the agenda of the White House and Harry Reid. Consistent with that, she independently notes media reports that White House officials are privately expressing extreme irritation with Howard Dean for opposing the Senate bill as insufficient, but have nothing bad to say about Lieberman, who supposedly single-handedly sabotaged what the White House was hoping for in this bill.
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an NBC reporter explained how Robert Gibbs used his Press Briefing today to harshly criticize Howard Dean for opposing the health care bill. Why did Gibbs never publicly criticize people like Blanche Lincoln, Ben Nelson, Joe Lieberman and the like if they were supposedly obstructing and impeding the White House’s agenda on health care reform (this is a point Yglesias acknowledges as a "fair" one)? Having a Democratic White House publicly criticize a Democratic Senator can be a much more effective pressure tactic than doing so against a former Governor who no longer holds office.
Jane Hamsher has written a very lucid diary about this: "White House ‘Irritated’ with Howard Dean, Not Joe Lieberman" right here at Firedoglake. From the video clip attached to Jane’s diary:
"A lot of animosity…from the administration (toward) Howard Dean. They’re not pleased with Dr. Dean speaking out about health care reform…They’re irritated…they’re not too angry at Lieberman…the highest insult was to call him (Dean) "irrelevant"…Dean is having, what one official called, a tantrum…
Credit Pat Buchanan (I never thought I’d write that!) for saying on the clip, too, that what Dr. Dean is doing is calling the bill a fraud, a sell-out to insurance companies.
Why has the Obama administration treated Howard Dean so differently than it has Joe Lieberman? Because the Obama-Rahm team has never ever, even remotely had any common cause with progressivism or with progressives. Don’t believe me? Well, just check out who Obama has chosen as his Chief of Staff–Rahm Emanuel–or who he has chosen as his Defense Secretary–Robert Gates, a George W. pick. And look at how few progressives are working in this administration (far fewer than the number of people from Goldman Sachs). Look too at all the progressive positions that Obama successfully ran on but dumped as soon as the election returns came in: FISA, DADT, DOMA, NAFTA renegotiation etc.
Dean, of course, is a progressive. The Obama White House also recognizes that Dean, should he want to, could be a political threat to their sand castle presidency.
Think about it. If Howard Dean wants to (and I don’t know that he does, I have no insider information), he could primary Obama in 2012.
He’d have lots of advantages. Dean has national name recognition. He can crank up a campaign quickly and attract the best people. He’s a Washington, D.C. outsider since Obama-Rahm did him the favor of not letting him in on their gig. He has the backing of most progressives and liberals, the very people who worked hard to win the primaries and the general election for Obama.
If the progressives and liberals bolt from Obama as they surely will if Dean challenges Obama, that leaves Obama with the Blue Dogs in the Democratic primaries in 2012. The progressives and liberals control the path to the Democratic party nomination, that’s why Obama garbed himself in progressive clothing in 2008 but his stealth candidacy has now exposed him for what he is: a DLCer. Obama doesn’t have the warmth of Dean or Clinton to overcome his DLC positions and win the nomination.
Moreover, Dean can use the "change mantra" on Obama in 2012. Wouldn’t it be a pleasure to see Dean taking the 2008 Obama position and Obama taking the W role in 2012?
Far fetched? Not really. Remember that in 1968 an obscure Senator by the name of Gene McCarthy (not RFK) challenged the mighty incumbent, LBJ. In the very first democratic primary, in New Hampshire, LBJ won but McCarthy came close. Just days before the April primary in Wisconsin, with polls showing McCarthy would decisively beat the president, LBJ announced he would not run again for the presidency.
Guess who’d win in 2012? My moneys on Dean and that is precisely why Gibbs and the Obama administration are pummeling him and not Lieberman. Progressives and liberal Democrats are the real enemy of this administration, not the Republicans because Obama is really a Rockefeller-type Republican. Rockefeller-Republicans were/are known for their unabashed support of big business and Wall St. coupled with a virulent and hawkish, expansionist view of American Empire and bread and circuses for the masses. Doesn’t that describe Obama’s agenda perfectly?
Let’s hope that Dean takes advantage of the situation and announces soon that he will primary Obama.



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I would definitely vote for Dean. Great post. Recommended.
Thanks for your kind comment TheCallUp.
Precisely because you and most other progressives and intelligent people WILL vote for Dean, the White House has to vilify him. It’s exactly what the mainstream media did when he ran in 2004.
Boy, when I think back to all the efforts and funds I put into the Obama campaign [and the DNC, DSCC, DCCC].
It’s gonna feel good to direct them in Dr. Dean’s direction.
Yup, we’ve got to get a Draft Dean movement going!
You know, I think they do themselves a great disservice by lashing out at Dean. Because most on the Left trust Dean — have no reason to believe he has any ulterior motives — unlike the White House (cutting back door deals).
By going after Dean they are forcing an already angry Left to choose sides, and it’s obvious who REALLY has their backs. That’s not a fight the White House wants to have.
I voted for Howard Dean in the Primaries when he ran — the race was already over by the time my state could vote, but I cast it for him anyways. I have a lot of respect for Howard Dean.
I agree with you completely, TheCallUp.
Interestingly, Pat Buchanan of all people makes a great comment on that video clip up at Jane’s diary. He says that what Dean is really doing is calling Obama’s bill a fraud, a sell-out to the insurance industry.
So yes, bashing Dean over this just reemphasizes that it is the Obama White House that has sold its own soul to the devil.
Olbermann mentioned Obama facing a primary challenge in 2012 during his special comment on Wednesday night.
Wouldn’t it be perfect for Dean to use either Olbermann’s or Maddow’s show to announce that he’s forming an exploratory committee and such a move would go a long way to convince people like me that either of those two talking heads is more than just the house progressive in NBC’s stable.
Matt, that would be great if it happens. But don’t bash Olbermann and Maddow as “just the house progressive(s) in NBC’s stable”. Yes, NBC probably is backing those two because they bring in viewers and hence profits but let’s take advantage of those 2 very talented people’s shows while we can!
I’d imagine just about everyone registered with Organizing for America would jump ships to Howard Dean. Obama has REALLY lost his base.
Here’s an article in Politico about it that came out today: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30768.html
They mention my blog, AlterPolitics — they link to it, in paragraph 5, because of a post I wrote to get people to unsubscribe, so as to send a message to Obama. :)
I’M SO EXCITED ABOUT HOWARD DEAN FOR PREZYDENT I COULD
JUST . . . . . . . scream . . .ssshhhh . .
TheCallUp: great idea about your campaign to get people to unsubscribe to Obama’s mailing list since he’s abandoned the promises he ran on.
Maybe it would be impolite for you to give the link but it shouldn’t be for me since I’m not connected to it. Here it is:
http://www.alterpolitics.com/politics/send-president-obama-a-loud-message-unsubscribe-from-organizing-for-america/
And if I may quote from that web site:
NOTE GDC707 that I did NOT write that Dean is challenging Obama or that he will primary him in 2012 but that he is now in a perfect position to do so.
In other words, Howard Dean has to take the action.
But that shouldn’t stop us from a Draft Dean movement!
From another excellent diary called “Obama’s Betrayal of the Left Spells Problems for the Democratic Party” over at Alterpolitics:
Very well put, and unfortunately, oh so true.
Thanks fflambeau. It was admittedly a little strong when I wrote it, but I was incensed with all that was happening with Lieberman — Emanuel telling Reid to drop the Medicare buy-in, and then Obama demanding this new watered down bill get passed immediately, and then all of the sudden that OfA email arrives, and the shifty message within it … the audacity! (to quote Obama)
My site’s getting thousands of hits from that Politico article. I sort of regret the fact it was due to that post, though I do think it is an effective way to send Obama a message that he needs to change course and quickly. :)
Oh no worries, I was just kiddin’ around. You know, about The Scream, which I personally liked. But I’m a Gestalt kind of person.
No need to apologize! It’s great and the reason why you’re getting hits is because you’s shown yourself to be a fighter.
Sadly, Obama is NOT a fighter and has instead run away from the agenda he campaigned and won on.
Understand you! Thanks.
Thanks fflambeau. Yes, Obama has been a big disappointment. I did not see it coming with him — I was completely fooled.
Let’s hope Obama either does a 180, or else Dean or someone like him challenges Obama in a Primary in 2012.
A Dean-Feingold ticket would be great, wouldn’t it?
This will happen.
I wouldn’t mind this happening at all.
We need EARTH SHAKING Change in this country, for too long we have not come to terms with the most difficult issues we face -
1) Class Warfare by the Rich vs the Working and The Poor
2) An Economy that has long abandoned the average American
3) Never coming to terms with Genocide of Indians and Brutal Slavery of Africans/West Indians
They are all inter-related, solve all these and you would largely solve this countries problems in one MIGHTLY BLOW.
About 60% of America is On Board with what I am saying and would welcome true Equal Opportunity and Protection under the Law, Free Public Education For All Americans and True Single Payer Health Care combined with the most advanced Health Care System on the Planet. Combined with Government Agencies that are properly funded and ran.
Finally Public Campaign Finance with strict rules to eliminate Corporatist/Religious Agendas
Are True Progressives the Answer? Maybe but we must not forget significant retooling of the current Congress especially on the Senate side.
You guys are too myopic to see that Obama is the best chance you have had in over a generation to get a lot of your agenda through. Liberals never seem to learn from history. If Dean was such a great candidate why did he implode in 2004.
Politics is and will always be about the art of the POSSIBLE.
Dean Nader 2012-but it will never happen. Schade.
I’d take Dean and Paul.
They’re not perfect, but they’re honest.
And Ralphie for Attorney General.
Let the good times roll.
Howard Dean will be needed to clean up the Healthcare mess Obama is creating. Draft Dean for President .
Slyshackle replied in his post: “If Dean was such a great candidate why did he implode in 2004?” Here is my theory and I once wrote of it. When Chris Matthews was questioning each candidate running in the 2004 Democratic primaries, Howard Dean stated he would break up the mainstream media monopoly which he thought a threat to our democracy. And it is. Oddly, after that appearance on Hardball, his numbers plummeted and the ‘Dean scream’ was played up by the MSM. Also, Al From of the D.L.C. targeted him and voila, John Kerry became the nominee.
Hopefully, Dean will think of forming an exploratory committee to challenge the president for the Democratic nomination in 2012.
Mary MacElveen
http://www.mary-macelveen.blogspot.com
He already said he would vote for OBama in 2012 and just not campaign for him.
He’s not going to primary, pick someone else.
Riiiiiiiiight…I really hope you guys go after Obama and the Dems with a vengeance in 2010 and 2012. With the tea parties so motivated, I would love to see some real conservatives take over the WH and Congress. It would be sweet to see you guys squirm for another 40 years.
Dean is too intelligent to ever run against a sitting president in a primary. But the talk of this happeneing may serve as a wakeup to Obama that the people who put him over the top expect more than the same old Washingto hustle.
Slyshakle; The tea parties get motivatied by exlax. No matter what the dems do, the republicans have become famous for doing NOTHING.
It might serve as a wake-up call for the Obama Administration. But if everyone wants Dean or anyone else to run against President Obama go for it. We might as well welcome the next Republican President right along with the teabaggers.
Al,
Don’t forget that Ted Kennedy was also “intelligent” but he weakened Carter enough to make Reagan’s job easier just as Buchanan didn’t do Bush 41 any favors ’92. National politics is a tough business and even tougher for liberals since 1968. Obama is doing a very fine job under very difficult circumstances. Most people on this blog have almost no perspective. Obama is the most progressive guy to win the presidency since LBJ. Change takes time. You cannot change America overnight. Most young liberals today have no clue as to how difficult it was for past liberal presidents to get watered down progressive reforms through Congress with even bigger Democratic majorities and less of a filibustering culture than Obama is dealing with today.
I say the very Best Way Howard Dean could advance the progressive agenda is to form and head a lobby of Progressive/Netroots Americans. This lobby could collect massive donations, and buy, er … rent out Senators, or fund opposition candidates.
This is not the idealist’s way, but to paraphrase Rummy, You Have to Go To War With The Government You Have.
Yes, cut off your nose to spite your face.
Dean-Feingold or Feingold-Dean. I’d take either.
You sound like me on every previous Obama sell-out on his campaign promises. But I draw the line on this HealthCare sell-out. It will really do damage to working Americans, and will destroy the Democratic Party among the Middle Class for at least a generation.
We must basically save the Democratic Party from Corporatist Barack Obama. It has gotten to where I have to change channels when they are playing a sound-bite of this elephant in donkey’s skin.
If things don’t “Change” in the OBama administration soon. I would back up Dean
America did change overnight. Last November. Remember the “Change” slogan?
Americans got fed up with Bush and his agenda. We voted in new players that were supposed to work for US.
Carter was going to lose, anyhow. Kennedy might have given Reagan a run for it. But the old time democrats did their usual and wound up screwing things up for a long time. Now they’re at it again. “This is the best we can do” doesn’t cut it anynore.
No president is perfect and America is NOT Europe. It is not easy to sell Liberalism in this country, especially after 1968. If liberalism was easy to sell Obama’s 53% popular vote win would not be the highest for a Democrat in 44 years!
It is easy to sit back and look for faults when the going gets tough. The guy walked into the worst situation any president had faced since FDR and he is trying to solve problems in a way that does not discredit liberalism for another 40 years. All you guys see is the losses. You refuse to acknowledge the wins. Progressive change is very difficult and it always involves losses along the way.
His stimulus package alone did more for the progressive domestic agenda than any president has done in 4 or 8 years since LBJ. He is working hard to close GITMO and having some success despite the Dems in the senate abandoning him on that issue and the country at large resisting him. He is trying to give some GITMO detainees civilian trials despite severe public resistance and its attendant political risks. He has maintained high spending levels on social welfare programs to ease the suffering caused by the recession despite intense criticism over the deficit.
He has done more for the pro-gay agenda in a year done most presidents do in 4 or 8 years yet all you guys see is what he hasn’t done yet. He is an elected president in a democracy not a dictator. What did you guys expect? That he would wave his hands and America would become a liberal country overnight?
You guys won’t stand with him when the going gets tough but you expect him to take political risks at every turn. In a democracy, policy making requires uncomfortable compromises. There is no way around it. You take your wins where you can and come back and fight another day wih hopes for a better win.
I’d sign on in a heartbeat to work for Dean, and I’d work my butt off. Last time I couldn’t, because I was not well enough.
This time, though, I’d be rarin’ to go.
We expect him not to completely abandon every single one of his progressive campaign promises… from FISA, to torture, to civil rights, to restoring the constitution, and yes, especially on health care, which was to be his signature piece of legislation, on which he campaigned FOR a public option and AGAINST a mandate. Pretty much the opposite of what has been “leaked” as being in the most current version of the bill. And he did not lift a finger to put pressure on any of the “obvious” obstructionists.
While Dean would definitely win a lot of enthusiastic support, I would add that the progressive movement MUST build infrastructure necessary to wield more power so that no matter who is in office, they can be pressured, and threatened, if necessary to follow through. See this from the Commonweal Institute
http://www.commonwealinstitute.org/rationale
More and better democrats is not enough
Big Oil, and Just Plain Big, decided after the US Congress imposed a Windfall profit tax in the 70′s, that they (Mr. Bigs) had enough of the Government By the People Crap, and went out and made an Friendly Buy-out of the “People’s Government”.
You won’t hear the phase Windfall Profit Tax ever again in Congress, unless it’s said how un-American it is.
The best government money can buy.
America DID NOT change last November. The party in control of the white house changed. Don’t confuse electoral victories with systemic ideological shifts. If America changed last November, most States would have legalized gay marriahe by popular demand and cap-and-trade would be very popular. If America had changed, the public would be largely supportive of bringing GITMO detainees to the US. The list goes on. Change is difficult and takes time.
Despite Obama’s faults(and like all leaders he has many), I really appreciate him because he has patience, historical perspective and takes big political risks when the rewards are great. He is also pragmatic when he needs to be.
One could also talk about the many “somewhat progressive” things Bill Clinton did in 8 years. But Clinton helped Rupert Murdoch gain semi-control of major city and national media, and he listened to everything Wall Street Rubin told him to do … NAFTA just being the least of the Clinton betrayals and he and capped it off by drowning Glass-Steagall in Grover Norquist’s bathtub. So overall, Bill Clinton was a DISASTER for the working American, just not immediately. (Senator Clinton voted to protect Credit Card companies against Deadbeat Americans, while preserving every-kind of bankruptcy protections for the Mr. Biggs. I don’t think it runs in the family. I believe it runs in the Party of the DLC.)
You are being distracted by the trivial “progressive” chaff being ejected by the Obama Bomber’s Defensive Missile System. Focus instead on those really big missiles being directed at the Working Class American. From the very day after the election, Obama started showing his true colors, and it has only been late in the Health Reform Scam that the rational believers are being forced to recapitulate his every decision (we know about). It’s not pretty.
Avoid the chaff and keep your eyes on the Obama’s money bombs – where they are targeted, and where they are not targeted.
The stimulus was a wishy-washy, mealy-mouthed, watered-down, Republican-sanctioned care package for the working American. If you believe otherwise, you are reading too many Obama Bomber dropped press release leaflets.
Like I said, you guys only see the losses, not the wins.
According to politifact.com, Obama has kept 72 of his campaign promises, compromised on 18 and broken 9. That is an AMAZING record for a politician who has to work with a fractured and ideologically diverse Congress.
HAHAHAHA keep drinking the Kool aid from the conspiracy theorists and keep fantasizing about your marxist utopia. I will continue to support the mixed economy we have and appreciate Bill Clinton and Rubin for improving the economic plight of millions of Americans, balancing the budget and giving liberalism credibility on the economic front that it hadn’t enjoyed since the ’60s.
Methinks thou doth HA one too many times. Everyone realizes three contiguous laughs are natural to homo sapiens. Four contiguous laughs are canned and contrived – most likely due to nervousness on the part of the Ha emitter.
I disagree about the change that happened last November. A not 100% white man was elected as president. Not just a democrat. If one of the other democrats would have won the primary, I, and many like me would not have chosen to vote. I didn’t vote for many years becasue I was sick of the entire political machine. I’m sure many like me registered to vote for someone who had once held a real job and knew what real people were thinking. I didn’t vote for a party. Democrats showed how worthless they were while Bush was president. They’re showing it again.
I want the man I voted for to stand up for Americans. Not apease the bozos I would never vote for.
Most states have never voted on gay marriage. I think most people want Gitmo closed. There was never a vote on that either. I think cap and trade is very popular with people who realize what it is all about.
I appreciate Obama, too. But he needs to get out in front of things. he wasn’t shy about criticizing republicans before. Now he kisses their butts. He’s been away from the public too long. Time to go back and visit Chicago again and listen to the people, not politicians.
Shirley You Jest – a fractured government?
House – Controlled by Democrats
Senate – Controlled by Democrats
Executive – Controlled by a “Democrat”.
The Republicans did a hell of a lot more with a hell of a lot less, they did more than the Democrats even aspire to.
All of a sudden, one needs 60 votes to pass any thing? That’s a Democrat leadership construct that the Republicans most happily sign-on to. Why look a Gift-Bearing Donkey in the Face?
The whole thing makes Professional Wrestling look spontaneous.
Al, The man you voted for existed in your mind, not in the man you voted for. Really.
Please read Matt Taibbi’s piece on Obama’s sellout to Wall Street http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/31234647/obamas_big_sellout
He must have climbed into his cocoon the day after he was elected if your belief is to be defensible.
I have known Barack Obama since 1984. I know who he is, and where he came from.
Matt Taibbi hates everyone.
Um, you guys know we tried this already before, right?
Al, kissing Republican butt is his “Cover” for having to Go Very Slow with change. Can you imagine Bush, Cheney, Reagan kissing Democrat butt with total control of the levers of power? Not in a million years. Bill Clinton’s shtick was A Third Way. Obama’s is Bipartisanship with mortal enemies. Obama is either a dunce or a three dollar bill dealer. And he is no dunce.
In Jimmy Carter, we had Beware The Daring of a Cautious Man.
In Barack Obama, we have Beware the Change of a Bipartisan Man.
By Reid allowing Republicans a GIMME on every Filibuster threat, he was assuring the Progressive Score on the 18th hole would be trivial. He was and is INVITING stalemate of progressive change. Come on, let’s be reality based. This stuff is not rocket science. It’s Kabuki Theater.
Well, thanks for being up-front and telling me you have a possible physic, emotional or other possible investment in the man. Barack has a wonderful family. Michelle is a near goddess of a person. His daughters seem as grounded as they can be. Barack Obama is a vacillating, indecisive, pandering orator who uses Bipartisanship as a cover for his lack of leadership. Perhaps Obama is trying to gain his father’s approval from every authority figure he has to deal with.
I don’t know. Maybe you do.
Matt Taibbi, on the other, has never lied to me.
Al, I ask you a truly serious question. If the Barack Obama you have known since 1984 had to choose ONE or the OTHER, which would he chose?
1) Be a one Term president who enacted many important and long-enduring changes for the majority of Americans, and who was ousted by the Wall Street and Bankers Ruling Class for not playing Wall-Bank Ball
or
2) Be a two Term president who didn’t upset any economically significant apple carts in eight years, and who didn’t make a single Omelet for the People, because it was too messy.
How do you know Taibbi has never lied to you?
Do you think he would do a better job?
OK, I’ll accept your avoiding an answer to an honest question. I’ll accept that avoidance, but it doesn’t reflect well on your effort for bipartisan dialogue.
I only know Taibbi from Real Time, and interviews he does – on air and on-line. (And of course his printed articles.) I can’t think of a single instance when something he said or wrote either rang false in my mind, or more importantly, contradicted something I new to be different.
I’m not saying Matt Taibbi never said or wrote a lie, I am only saying I have never come across such an instance.
Matt Taibbi is not running for any elected office. But for the profession he has chosen, he is head and shoulders above the corporate herd of cudd chewers and regurgitators. He is a truth seeker, regardless of where the facts may take him. I would assume he could not make it in American politics.
Sorry, I don’t answer loaded questions like “when did you stop beating your wife?”
I will say the Barack Obama I know cares about his fellow man and will do his very best. I happen to think he has been surrounded by politics first types since the election, and is confusing the democratic agenda with what the people want.
I have enjoyed some debate and sharing of thought on the present state of affairs in DC. I will be gone for awhile and I hope Santa brings my new friends here at firedoglake positive health care reform.
Merry Christmas.
OMG. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT. THE RESULT WILL BE SARAH PALIN IN THE WHITE HOUSE IN 2012. JUST WHAT WE NEED. HOMOPHOBIA, CREATIONISM, ANTI-SCIENCE, ANTI-IMMIGRANT, ANTI-CHOICE, WAR MONGERING PRESIDENT PALIN.
(MODNOTE: No typing in all caps please — it is considered shouting and is difficult to read)
Amen. I’m tired of this irrational nonsense, and these so-called progressives are just helping homophobic, anti-immigrant teabaggers gain power.
this is a progressive website. if you hold progressives in such a low opinion, why are you here?
Perhaps he has, but I was referring to the significant progressive issues that he specifically campaigned on… the ones that made some people (I was not one of them) believe that he would bring about “Change.”
Even though I didn’t really believe him, I can still criticize him for saying one thing and doing another.
I agree……….but how can we do it (primary Dean)??????????????????
CPGardos,
Thanks, we can do it by forming a Draft Dean movement. The internet makes this much easier than in the past. This would let Dean know he’s wanted and there are lots of people out there who support him. Ultimately, of course, the decision is up to Dr. Dean.
Al,
Your message is the kind that cannot be proven on the faceless Internet. You could just as easily be a party operative told to say you “have known Obama since 1984.”
And besides, is that really relevant? We’ve seen all the promises that Candidate Obama made in 2008 and we’ve seen him break those promises since the election. Voters must judge politicians by their deeds not by their speeches and not by their personalities. I suspect that Obama has changed enormously since 1984; he’s not the same person. He has changed completely on single payer for instance, which he once backed in Illinois.
As to, someone like Dean’s challenging the incumbent is a “fool’s errand” argument: look at 1968. Gene McCarthy did it successfully against a much more savvy and powerful LBJ. RFK would likely have been President had he not taken a bullet to the head.
And what, pray tell Habmed, has Obama done for gays? Most consider Obama a complete sell-out. What pray tell has Obama done for peace? He’s escalated the war in Afghanistan twice this year alone (once in February, once earlier this month). Obama has NEVER, EVER voted against a defense appropriation bill, including those for the Iraq war. His defense budget bills are bigger than Bush’s. Anti-science? What pray tell is Obama doing of any signficance on climate warming? If anyone is setting the table for Sarah P., it’s Obama because by selling out on the campaign promises he made and got elected on, he’s opening the door to the GOP. You’ll note his approval ratings are under 50%, actually about 47% now. That’s the lowest approval rating of any president since Harry Truman in his first December in office.
Just be sure to tell the DLC chicken littles, when they try to raise the a Dean challenge leading to the spectre of a Palin Presidency, where they can stick that crap.
I don’t think that’s Howard Dean’s ambition just now. But if Obama continues down this path, if he comes out of his conservative closet, and more blatantly favors corporations because they’re important and average Americans are not, I think Dean will have second thoughts. He’s the kind of guy who will act on them. Much is likely to depend on how badly Democrats lose in 2010. With Rahm guiding them, it’s likely to be pretty bad.
The job today, though, is to oppose ConservaDems and their Republican peers. Even if we don’t win on every issue, we’ll win on some and remind them that someone is watching the store.
Beyond that, we need effective government policies that help meet basic human needs, and help the tens of millions of us in deep transition make those transitions quickly and with as much of their family, dignity and hope intact as possible. That’s what will make Americans cooperative and productive, good citizens and good employees. Not many Dems can publicly ignore those goals in favor of bigger corporate profits. If Rahm wants to, more power to him.
You are absolutely correct.
I could not agree with you more.
btw, I rarely post polite comments anywhere.
I was banned from my local newspaper while running for office.
I almost never agree with anyone.
David Roknich
http://electromagnet.us/dogspot/
wait a second…
“But if Obama continues down this path, if he comes out of his conservative closet…
That closet never had a door!
excuse me, you had more to say…
“, and more blatantly favors corporations because they’re important and average Americans are not…”
And the world has just seen him try to keep a straight face while trying to deliver a corporate bill of goods in Copenhagen.
Rockefeller Republican?
That was my first take, but during the past 2 months he is looking more and more like a stooge and an errand boy.
Has Howard Dean ever connected successfully on a personal level with the traditional working class or lower middle-class constituency of the Democratic Party? Has he ever connected with the big unions? Does he have a record of strong opposition to Wall Street corporatism? Isn’t he primarily a good Government progressive with an appeal to well-educated upper middle class suburbanites?
Don’t we need somebody who can talk plain language to regular people? Is Howard, who I agree, has much to recommed him, really that person?
I don’t think Hubert Humphrey will run. sorry.
Count me in on Dean in ’12. I have worked my ass off for every Dem. candidate going back to Walter Mondale. (I know) I worked hard for Hillary and then transitioned to Obama, and I actually almost believed that we could and that he would make a difference. I believed that everyone in American would have health care. I beleived that don’t ask dont tell would be done away with. Here we are, with control of the House, 60 (sumwhat) seats in the Senate, and a Dem in the Whitehouse, and we are being held up for sum silly abortion language that doesn’t mean a hill of beans? We are settling for a health care bill that is bascially a lottry win for the insurance companies? Every day another patriotic American soldier, as we fight two wars, is being kicked out of the Military simply for being gay? Goerge Bush was wanted his tax cuts and he got them. I am tired, So very tired. Tired of seeing our leaders cower in the corner, afraid to do what is right. I see Howard Dean as a reasonable, unafraid to say what he thinks is right, and willing to do what it takes to get it done. I am giving Mr. Obama to Easter to prove me wrong. After that, I say let the “Draft Dr. Dean” march begin.
Perhaps we have sufficient data points to indicate that the Democrat Party is incapable of nominating a candidate for President who can deliver the change we need, the change we deserve, and the change we can count on.